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Nah trust the writers were preparing us for Cyrene to be ass.
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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread
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Nah trust the writers were preparing us for Cyrene to be ass.
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If it's any funnier Asat said he preferred cosmicon collective over aetherium wars and cosmicon collective canonically has a really big powerscaling community
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Watch it be "Hunt" in lore but Erudition is gameplay just to spite Lan
5.X hunt tb?
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Usually for tb they do lore = path but it would be funny if we get lore wise Hunt but gameplay wise some bs like voracity
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Personally, I don't have any strong feelings regarding Cyrene. I just think the issue she had was the execution of concept.
We spend a majority of our time after 3.4 with a person who completely imitates the PhiLia093 data signal, or "Peach" in her words. She looks like Cyrene, talks with the same voice as Cyrene but she wasn't Cyrene - at least from what we (and even the Demiurge herself) was aware of at the time.
Even the Trailblazer in 3.5 asks a question at the start regarding if she was Cyrene or not, in which her answer was "no" yet she still wished for us to call her Cyrene anyway because its who she physically had become.
Additionally, when we awakened Khaslana in 3.7, we saw the difference in how a character who knew the original PhiLia093 viewed the Demiurge. He didn't call her Cyrene, he called her Mem. You can even see a hint of sadness in the Demiurge's eyes from how he addressed her as she repeated Cyrene's promise to Phainon in the 0th cycle.
The tragedy of her character is that only at the very end when she chooses to gaze back upon the world to close off causality, she learns that in truth, her and PhiLia093, the one who she looked up to and tried to follow in their footsteps so hard, were always the same person.
But by that point in the story, there is no time to establish that realization further with any other character because she had already made the choice to stay behind.
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I think from a pure writing perspective, this was a very good plot point. But it was mostly made subtle and wasn't touched on very frequently by the characters which lead to the divisive community opinion on her now.
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I think the prime issue with Cyrene's character is her personality is exclusively the parts people loved of Elysia's character.
She's not constructed from anything that gave Elysia depth. The parts excluded from Cyrene are the reasons why we truly remember Elysia's character:
Cyrene is a mishmash of Elysia's character, her nice-ities, how she likes everyone and tries to unite everyone, how she makes a big sacrifice for the future, but not much else is given to her. She's not dissimilar enough to Elysia to be her own character while not being similar enough to give Elysia fans what they want.
It's all the style took from Elysia with none of the substance that made people truly enjoy her character. It doesn't help Cyrene gets no time to interact with other characters. She needed far more than one patch.
She's not constructed from anything that gave Elysia depth. The parts excluded from Cyrene are the reasons why we truly remember Elysia's character:
- Her charming but narcissistic way of saying things. That slight insensitiveness towards others.
- Her intriguing plotpoints like being a traitor, being nice on a surface level but everyone around her not fully trusting her.
- The air of mystery we got around Elysia's character.
- The way she'd hide her true strength, only leaving it for small moments you'd never expect it like checking if Mei is wearing mascara. It made her more intimidating, gave her more character. You didn't know what she was truly capable of.
Cyrene is a mishmash of Elysia's character, her nice-ities, how she likes everyone and tries to unite everyone, how she makes a big sacrifice for the future, but not much else is given to her. She's not dissimilar enough to Elysia to be her own character while not being similar enough to give Elysia fans what they want.
It's all the style took from Elysia with none of the substance that made people truly enjoy her character. It doesn't help Cyrene gets no time to interact with other characters. She needed far more than one patch.
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Not sure If I should played Honkai 3rd impact then. I didn't, and still enjoyed Cyrene character.
If I know Elysia before, would I hater her too?
Facts. It would be better that her relantionship with Phainon got a little more flesh out.
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IMO it just feels like a worse attempt at Elysia and it makes me dislike Cyrene more for it. It's not that I hate her character, it's just that she has no character of her own from my perspective. I like how Cyrene actually becomes a thing listening to the eras of tales from each cycle's Cyrene, but in terms of actual interaction and character moments with the cast it feels like she has next to nothing. Mem is hardly memorable either.If I know Elysia before, would I hater her too?Saying Cyrene have no substance is a
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heavy on this. the patch literally starts out with smallrene and phainon playing together hell we see them go to the end of the world together yet they have like no chemestry theres barely even a friendship she just starts saying she loves the trailblazer out of nowhere n shit lowkey pmo. also doesnt even build relationships with the other chrysos heirs
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The problem is that they wrote the Demiurge in a way that intentionally separates her from the Chrysos Heirs, where she doesn't view PhiLia093's experiences and memories as her own, with her and the audience only learning the full picture at the very end of the story. Because of this, characters treated her simply as a separate entity who shares the appearance of Cyrene.
She cannot convey anything to Phainon to give him closure regarding his promise because as far as she and everyone else was aware, she was not the person who forged that promise with him 33 million lifetimes ago. Phainon recognized this the moment he saw her, and thus views the Demiurge as the result of Cyrene's struggle within the Nameless Tomb who came to wear the same appearance as his childhood friend out of admiration for them. This results in their interaction in 3.7 being very bittersweet, because on one hand Phainon sees a person who looks like Cyrene, has the same voice as her, but isn't her, while the Demiurge is melancholic at the fact that she is unable to console Khaslana because her words would not carry the same weight as hers (Cyrene/Peach).
Ultimately we do learn that the Demiurge and PhiLia093 were actually the same person, but for the vast majority of the story it was not treated that way due to the absence of such information. This leads to the feeling of contrivance, which could've avoided had they emphasized more on the Demiurge's identity crisis which would've allowed it to become a more obvious strength of her character.
As for the repeated talk about love and stuff like that, it does feel like it lacks nuance because we go from seeing a person fueled by immense hatred and wrath manage an impossible feat that defied all understanding which gave us the chance to even save the world, to all of a sudden denouncing hatred and viewing it purely as an "evil" or "wrong" motive. If that is truly the final writing decision on the duality of Love and Hate in Amphoreus I think that's a real shame, but it feels so jarring that it might be a chekov's gun (if we follow Empedocles Theory of the Cosmos, which seems to be the clear inspiration for this relationship of Love and Hate).
She cannot convey anything to Phainon to give him closure regarding his promise because as far as she and everyone else was aware, she was not the person who forged that promise with him 33 million lifetimes ago. Phainon recognized this the moment he saw her, and thus views the Demiurge as the result of Cyrene's struggle within the Nameless Tomb who came to wear the same appearance as his childhood friend out of admiration for them. This results in their interaction in 3.7 being very bittersweet, because on one hand Phainon sees a person who looks like Cyrene, has the same voice as her, but isn't her, while the Demiurge is melancholic at the fact that she is unable to console Khaslana because her words would not carry the same weight as hers (Cyrene/Peach).
Ultimately we do learn that the Demiurge and PhiLia093 were actually the same person, but for the vast majority of the story it was not treated that way due to the absence of such information. This leads to the feeling of contrivance, which could've avoided had they emphasized more on the Demiurge's identity crisis which would've allowed it to become a more obvious strength of her character.
As for the repeated talk about love and stuff like that, it does feel like it lacks nuance because we go from seeing a person fueled by immense hatred and wrath manage an impossible feat that defied all understanding which gave us the chance to even save the world, to all of a sudden denouncing hatred and viewing it purely as an "evil" or "wrong" motive. If that is truly the final writing decision on the duality of Love and Hate in Amphoreus I think that's a real shame, but it feels so jarring that it might be a chekov's gun (if we follow Empedocles Theory of the Cosmos, which seems to be the clear inspiration for this relationship of Love and Hate).
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There was a CN ad of Phainon that said "Love and Hate are not opposites, they will eventually converge." which is pretty much the idea behind Empedocles's Theory. When Hate is too dominant, the roots of the cosmos separate and drives the elements apart causing suffering. When Love is too dominant, the roots of the cosmos join together in harmony and causes the world to become unchanging and stagnant. Only when both are equally in contention with each other can the world gain its dynamism and diversity, which allows for life to flourish and civilization to progress. This might be the conditions necessary for Amphoreus to become real.
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That’s because Shaoji was larping two separate philosophies.
In (Neo)platonism, Love (Philia) is the component of the Soul produced after it witnesses the good that is prior to it, i.e Intellect (Nous). In a sense, it is the intermediary between Intellect itself and the Soul, being like the eye of a person conveying an image between the observer and the observed.
And as Nature (Phusis), is produced by being directed towards goodness (the higher principles), it is so that the movement and production of all other things in the cosmos is a derivative of things being directed towards goodness and contemplating such goodness, and then exemplifying what they see in the higher principles through their activity (expressed principles).
Particularly speaking, it is also held (in contrast to Gnostics), that the material world is not to be hated, rather it is to be loved. For what exists in the material world is still an image of the good in the higher principles (The Platonic Forms), and thus the beauty found in the sensible world makes you aware and re-directs you to the beauty of the intelligible world (Intellect/Nous).
Thing is, then, that the mover of the Universe in Platonism is “Love” itself, which is what he was trying to imply with Cyrene and the Erudtion.
Yet, he also takes the wild (and incompatible) decision to also establish Empedocles’ philosophy, which is rather contradictory with what is seen above.
This, for example, is directly referenced in the Fourth Finality being Remembrance, which is “Love” causing the entire Universe to stagnate and freeze, which is not possible if he was truly appealing to Platonism. (“Destruction” being the “Hate” that causes everything to separate)
But whatever, that’s just what I think. Maybe Shaoji just has 10000IQ and us mortals can’t understand his writing or sum shit.
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So we have 3 CRTs open.
This Welt stuff IS that serious, huh?
- 1 is Voidnether's where he edited Zephyro stuff in and needs 1 more staff approval for the other thing.
- 1 is Nova's where he deals with Zephyro and Scepter stuff.
- 1 is Scoops where he moves base Firefly to unknown.
This Welt stuff IS that serious, huh?
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Don't forget pompom
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Closed
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The way they wrote it and just added "if proven true" okay broYOU WILL NEVER GUESS WHERE I FOUND ITWHY ARE THESE INSANE COSMOLOGY DROPS IN THE MOST RANDOM SPOTS
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WHAT DID BRO DO
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I can’t bro, there’s at least like 5 errors per page 
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Its Galaxy Multiverse level all over againI can’t bro, there’s at least like 5 errors per page
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tbh they needed 1 more patch dedicated to cyrene only. and they should've focused on her "lament" mobile more. there was so much potential there. her selfishly freezing the universe to preserve just one planet was glorious but they completely ignored that.
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If it ain’t fixed in the next few hours I’ll deal with it myself. AP chainscale got slimed but streets forgot to get rid of the range chainscale (hence reference errors)
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Mbpoops
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Just kill me dawg
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Get eaten by Ashveil and share a room with Shuhu
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Insert image of Sisyphus pushing the boulder
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Its development should have been addressed in 3.5 and extended over the rest of the Amphoreus arc, and its conclusion should have been placed in 3.7; they put almost everything in 3.7
Without meaning to make a pun, one of the most important characters in the arc is literally anecdotal until the very end of that same arc
I like Cyrène and I understand her theme about love, etc., but honestly, I don't connect with it and there's a false note. It's like listening to an orchestra but the music sounds off and you can't quite put your finger on the problem
I like the character, but I'm definitely hesitant to remove her from my top 5 Amphoreus characters; there's really something about her that bothers me
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Deadass you must be the only one who does stuff in the hsr-verse cause the only mf people ping / person who is told to do stuff is you
Also the March reunion in 3.6 had more impact than anything in 3.7 ever will
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Subjective take : March and Evernight have a better writing potential than Cyrene
No, really, the scene with March is truly moving
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I like how it actually adds on the character's dynamics and really makes it feel like the characters do know and care for each other, because they should. They basically spend most of their time with each other on the Express and this fact isn't represented like this literally anywhere up until 3.6. It's why it's the 2nd best past in Amphoreus behind 3.4, IMO, because also there the dynamics have been built up with Phainon and the others.
I love how the characters instantly know it IS march the moment she replies with 'Ace' because it's the tone she speaks in. I like the banter afterwards where they ACTUALLY feel like companions and characters. The game needs more grounded moments like these to actually make you care about the characters, rather than constant high-octane ones facing new foes and enemies.
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how canon do we consider the achievements?
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H-Hey! I do a lot of stuff too!! Hmph.
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