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Strongest 6D Characters on the Wiki

Vietthai96 said:
Didn't that dude have passive CM1 and Law hax or something?
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Can you tell me how Goku would defeat Yogiri?

His immeasurable speed is useless.

All his abilities and everything he has are useless.

So how would he win? Do you know why I said they’re useless? Because Goku would die the very moment he thinks about targeting Yogiri. The instant he forms the thought, he dies—meaning death occurs before any action can be taken, so he wouldn’t use his speed or any of his abilities at all.

He does not resist death manipulation combined with conceptual manipulation Type 2 (five layers), nor information erasure Type 2 (five layers), and he cannot negate Type 5 immortality.
 
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CC Goku vs Yogiri Takatou

Strongest 6D characters on the Wiki versus match; Speed is unequalised. Both characters have access to their standard/optional equipment. CC Goku Big Bang Mission SSB:UT key (Super Saiyan Blue Universe Tree) Yogiri Takatou The End Key
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Gamin_Yoon23 said:
Apparently that’s the xianxia verse Vietthai was talking about (he must’ve mistook it for xianxia I think xianxia is some inverse energy system or concept from a brief read of the page)
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Xue Ying isn't from Ergenverse, that is Wang Lin, however these dudes jump straight to 1-A at 4th step cultivation

Xianxia is just a name for all cultivation-type novels, involving characters cultivating their power from mortal to immortal
 
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
I heard Xenoblade characters are broken, iirc @DarkDragonMedeus is actually a supporter of the verse so maybe getting his input would make things easier. I’ll probably send a message on his wall
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IIRC, there are actually plans to upgrade Xenoblade cast to 7-D levels of 1-C. It comes from, Rift Between Worlds existing above Memory Space but below Far Flung Dimension that was introduced into the Definitive Edition of Xenoblade Chronicles X, but I think @JoshSSJGod might be better at explaining details regarding that.
 
Only non smurf 6-D in Isekai at Peace is Kuro, she has 4 layers of hax, still need to fix their power null at something, shouldn't be 5, just that it works on 4 layers.

Maybe she can get decently far speed unequal, if you count her scaling to multiple temporal dimensions.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Only non smurf 6-D in Isekai at Peace is Kuro, she has 4 layers of hax, still need to fix their power null at something, shouldn't be 5, just that it works on 4 layers.

Maybe she can get decently far speed unequal, if you count her scaling to multiple temporal dimensions.
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How many temporal dimensions does she scale to? She might be above Nasuverse and Lavos since they’re outdated but below Sonic. I think she has more layers than Sonic though? I’m not too sure. It’d be best to get a Sonic expert here. I’ll place her 6th for now. But what we should do is make a match up with Doom first I suppose? IIRC Yogiri has 5 layers so she might get stomped due to his passives (ID) which is CM2/death hax.
 
Kuro launched an attack which travelled from 1 temporal dimension to another which, Shiro dodged, so i would say 2, albeit just after that Kuro destroyed several temporal dimensions, but we didn't see Shiro dodge that on screen.

Kuro's true form is a type 1 concept, so Yogurt can't kill her, she resists type 1 concept manipulation & death manipulation, and in addition to that her true form is also non-existent in basically all aspects including type 1 concept, and is a plot based abstract.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Kuro launched an attack which travelled from 1 temporal dimension to another which, Shiro dodged, so i would say 2, albeit just after that Kuro destroyed several temporal dimensions, but we didn't see Shiro dodge that on screen.

Kuro's true form is a type 1 concept, so Yogurt can't kill her, she resists type 1 concept manipulation & death manipulation, and in addition to that her true form is also non-existent in basically all aspects including type 1 concept, and is a plot based abstract.
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If they scale to two Yogiri is cooked. There was actually a match against CC Goku where there was a similar instance of Goku just blitzing scaling to two temporal axes.

Yeah Yogiri can’t put her down at all, even with ID. Does she have anything that can put Yogiri down? If not I’m tempted to call this incon.
 
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
If they scale to two Yogiri is cooked. There was actually a match against CC Goku where there was a similar instance of Goku just blitzing scaling to two temporal axes.

Yeah Yogiri can’t put her down at all, even with ID. Does she have anything that can put Yogiri down? If not I’m tempted to call this incon.
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She is 1A level, so what does she even have to do with this in the first place???
 
@Gamin_Yoon23 As far as I can see, Yogiri doesn't much in the way of survivability, so so all she has to do is use something he doesn't resist, like type 1 concept manipulation which is what every God's attacks are.

At this key though, her go to is The Prologue, which is probability manipulation which is the strongest in comparison to stuff like Fate's authority which at Base can invent possibilities above infinite possibilities, and when serious affect acausal beings who resisted that former... The Prologue also lets her change the story in whatever way she wants.
 
wait, we need a non-smurf and a smurf section bruhh, people gonna start throwing in 1-A smurf characters in no time
 
Just make two spoiler section non smurf and smurf

And create speed equalised and non equalised section inside of them for eg


speed equalised

1)

2)

3)

Speed non equalised

1)

2)

3)
 
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Celestial_Pegasus said:
@Gamin_Yoon23 As far as I can see, Yogiri doesn't much in the way of survivability, so so all she has to do is use something he doesn't resist, like type 1 concept manipulation which is what every God's attacks are.

At this key though, her go to is The Prologue, which is probability manipulation which is the strongest in comparison to stuff like Fate's authority which at Base can invent possibilities above infinite possibilities, and when serious affect acausal beings who resisted that former... The Prologue also lets her change the story in whatever way she wants.
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Hahaha, please don’t tell me you’re speaking seriously.

I think you didn’t see this in Yogiri’s profile, did you ↓
Passive Probability Manipulation, Passive Power Nullification & Limited Invulnerability (While wearing this outfit, projectiles moved unnaturally to avoid Yogiri, fireball magic dissipated on itself and an attack from a greatsword bounced off Yogiri's coat, leaving him completely unharmed. Though attacks that exceed its durability seemingly could still harm Yogiri[77])
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Yogiri has death manipulation (5 layers) and information manipulation type 2 (5 layers), and his ability activates against any threat regardless of what it is. Even characters with immeasurable speed cannot avoid it, so yes, Yogiri wins.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
She is 1A level, so what does she even have to do with this in the first place???
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Her True Form is only 6-D, 1-A doesn't become a thing until her Ultimate End form, until the author decides to further explain The Prologue in the current cosmology
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Hahaha, please don’t tell me you’re speaking seriously.

I think you didn’t see this in Yogiri’s profile, did you ↓

Passive Probability Manipulation, Passive Power Nullification & Limited Invulnerability (While wearing this outfit, projectiles moved unnaturally to avoid Yogiri, fireball magic dissipated on itself and an attack from a greatsword bounced off Yogiri's coat, leaving him completely unharmed. Though attacks that exceed its durability seemingly could still harm Yogiri[77])
Yogiri has death manipulation (5 layers) and information manipulation type 2 (5 layers), and his ability activates against any threat regardless of what it is. Even characters with immeasurable speed cannot avoid it, so yes, Yogiri wins.
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No you win brother Kuro has nothing on probability manipulation at all, Yogiri's aura from his outfit is enough.

Lets just ignore that probability manipulation is achieved below God level at the Peak Count, and even Gods who have probability manipulation ie Shea have inferior authorities to Base Fate, which is inferior to serious Fate who can not only see the fate of past, present and future and control it, can also affect acausal beings resistant to her Base authority.

Kuro is completely nonexistent, having no probability or information to hax btw.
 
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
If they scale to two Yogiri is cooked. There was actually a match against CC Goku where there was a similar instance of Goku just blitzing scaling to two temporal axes.

Yeah Yogiri can’t put her down at all, even with ID. Does she have anything that can put Yogiri down? If not I’m tempted to call this incon.
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Kuro should be above Doomguy as well since bro js gets outhaxed.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
@Gamin_Yoon23 As far as I can see, Yogiri doesn't much in the way of survivability, so so all she has to do is use something he doesn't resist, like type 1 concept manipulation which is what every God's attacks are.

At this key though, her go to is The Prologue, which is probability manipulation which is the strongest in comparison to stuff like Fate's authority which at Base can invent possibilities above infinite possibilities, and when serious affect acausal beings who resisted that former... The Prologue also lets her change the story in whatever way she wants.
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Yeah Yogiri loses, gonna update the list
 
Hecky2222 said:
I thought her AE was plot based? Or that is different key?
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Both, all Gods have their true forms being type 1 concepts, however in addition Kuro's true form is the beginning of everything, the beginning of the story, which nothing can exist before.

It's also interesting that due to being the beginning Kuro will always have the first move in any fight, and this is a verse with Gods with Immeasurable speed.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Both, all Gods have their true forms being type 1 concepts, however in addition Kuro's true form is the beginning of everything, the beginning of the story, which nothing can exist before.

It's also interesting that due to being the beginning Kuro will also have the first move in any fight, and this is a verse with Gods with Immeasurable speed.
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So her AE is both Plot and Concept Type 1

I guess she can go way higher since just for AE by plot I don't see how SDBH characters can affect her.

Obviously not first spot but definitely higher than 5
 
Hecky2222 said:
So her AE is both Plot and Concept Type 1

I guess she can go way higher since just for AE by plot I don't see how SDBH characters can affect her.

Obviously not first spot but definitely higher than 5
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Yeah I don’t think DBH characters can do much about her plot based AE. Only Arale can since she has plot manipulation and other aspects related to plot such as erasure etc. They could maybe incon her via power nullification and sealing. CC Goku and Arale are the only characters that have an answer to her AE since as I said before Arale has the necessary abilities and CC can summon her I don’t think anyone else can other than those two. Aside from CC and Arale it’s just incon I think.
 
Uh isn’t Gilgamesh in Nasuverse? Last I heard and saw he was insanely haxxed and had like 10 layers of each ability. I don’t know if the verse has anything plot related though. Same with Lavos.
 
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
Uh isn’t Gilgamesh in Nasuverse? Last I heard and saw he was insanely haxxed and had like 10 layers of each ability. I don’t know if the verse has anything plot related though. Same with Lavos.
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tbf he is outdated af and prolly will get upgraded so idek if it is good to keep Nasuverse characters rn in list or nah
 
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
Do they have resistance to resistance negation? And if they do would it fall under 40 layers as well?
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Not ALL the characters do but a good few like Shulk do. Its on the profiles if ya wanna read it.

Gamin_Yoon23 said:
Only asking since TP users have their way around massive layering difference. What’s some of their main hax? Do they have anything plot related? EE, and of what aspects or?
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Depends on the character but some are just very difficult to interact with like Z due to Ether Concentration making so they can't be hit unless you match the layering but there are also a lot of passives like Death manip, Soul sucks, Fate manips (that works on Acausality users), Precog (same case as Fate manip), etc. Alongside stuff like Power Null, Sealing, Fissionism and Stat reduction to a 10-B just by looking at someone. That's all without mentioning the Reactive Evolution. There is kinda just too much to list off all of it since a lot of the top tiers are hax galore.

They don't really have anything Plot Related (currently) but if I assume this is cause of Arale which in that scenario they have ways around it with their own passive hax if this thread is anything to go by (Glass funnily enough even told me to tell him if Arale ever tries something on XB :U) And lastly the EE covers mainly Conceptual and Information. If I remember I think Ontos users also have a history EE based?

That's everything off the top of my head, anything else you'd like to know?
 
Just saying arale has HGR plot based plus her accausality type 3 and whole exiting out of plot shenenigans with layer plot haxs is still viable

Can xenoblade characters deal with her plot based HGR?

Also arale has like 18 layers of plot based stuff

Also using that vs match thread is a bit meh since when I talked about it with Micah in private she told me she could have made many arguments for arale winning but didn't have the energy to do so
 
Why is Lavos even listed in the ranking in the first place?? His tier is Low 1-C, not 1-C. I think things here are starting to get out of control.
 
JoshSSJGod said:
Not ALL the characters do but a good few like Shulk do. Its on the profiles if ya wanna read it.


Depends on the character but some are just very difficult to interact with like Z due to Ether Concentration making so they can't be hit unless you match the layering but there are also a lot of passives like Death manip, Soul sucks, Fate manips (that works on Acausality users), Precog (same case as Fate manip), etc. Alongside stuff like Power Null, Sealing, Fissionism and Stat reduction to a 10-B just by looking at someone. That's all without mentioning the Reactive Evolution. There is kinda just too much to list off all of it since a lot of the top tiers are hax galore.

They don't really have anything Plot Related (currently) but if I assume this is cause of Arale which in that scenario they have ways around it with their own passive hax if this thread is anything to go by (Glass funnily enough even told me to tell him if Arale ever tries something on XB :U) And lastly the EE covers mainly Conceptual and Information. If I remember I think Ontos users also have a history EE based?

That's everything off the top of my head, anything else you'd like to know?
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Hm I feel like they’re above DBH then. My Knowledge on DBH is rather limited so someone like Vietthai would probably have better answers than me. But going off what I do know, there’s a massive difference in speed. Xenoblade having infinite speed while CC and DBH characters have immeasurable speed scaling to two temporal axes’. But yeah XB having resistance to resistance negation does hurt T.P users since it’s one of a few ways of disregarding layering difference. Same with speed. DBH characters do have immeasurable speed scaling to two temporal axes’ while XB has infinite speed, so they could probably force an inconclusive assuming we’re doing speed unequalised.

I think a versus thread needs to be made since there’s a lot of things to mention. Would that be okay with you?
 
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