Time Baby fights another Chaos seeker (Time Baby vs. Jevil) [0-7-0]

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I wonder how this will go.
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Da Facts:

• Time Baby stomps in AP.
• Time Baby stomps in LS.
• Jevil has Durability Negation via Soul Manipulation.

Da Rulez:

• Battle takes place in Jevil's cell.
• They start 61.8m away from each other.
• Speed is equalized.
• SBA for rest.
• Have fun!

Da Votes:

• I have a very important nap to get to, so let's make this quick: 0 ()
• I CAN DO ANYTHING!: 7 (@Qurbonboev, @TheOrangeGuy09, @LittleGuy99, @Poketmonsrs, @MannyQ361, @Ultimate-Rex1, @Jackythejack)
• BUY CRYPTO, SUCKERS! (Incon): 0

 

[LittleGuy99]

I honestly don't know what to say here to defend Jevil, so I'll wait

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I honestly don't know what to say here to defend Jevil, so I'll wait

My main bet was that he does teleporting everywhere and Danmaku. TB starting with lasers against weak characters doesn't help in any way, so he'll have to react quickly once he feels damage to his soul.

 

[ARandomDude127]

He got ONE win against Fleetway Super Sonic and this is the next thing we put him up against

 

[Randomuser3412]

"Coughing Baby vs Coughing Baby"
Time Baby gets hit once, realizes it kind of hurts and then literally destroys the planet

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

"Coughing Baby vs Coughing Baby"
Time Baby gets hit once, realizes it kind of hurts and then literally destroys the planet

Will he realize it quick enough until rest of Danmaku comes in?

 

[ARandomDude127]

Will he realize it quick enough until rest of Danmaku comes in?

Probably, Jevil still needs to hit Time Baby a few times to actually kill it despite having SOUL hax

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Probably, Jevil still needs to hit Time Baby a few times to actually kill it despite having SOUL hax

Yeah but Jevil's constant teleporting and spamming would have really interesting implications for TB's behaviour who lacks object permanence, wouldn't it?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

And yeah, Jevil's very first move is teleportation and spamming.

I can argue that this will overwhelm Time Baby due to short attention span & lack of object permanence, allowing Jevil to kill him before he does anything serious.

 

[Randomuser3412]

Time Baby was still able to fight with Bill Cipher and his gang, who are a lot more chaotic than Jevil is. Time Baby throws a tantrum and destroys everything when Jevil hurts him. Doesn't matter if he knows where Jevil is or not.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Time Baby was still able to fight with Bill Cipher and his gang, who are a lot more chaotic than Jevil is. Time Baby throws a tantrum and destroys everything when Jevil hurts him. Doesn't matter if he knows where Jevil is or not.

It's not about chaos, it's about Jevil's teleportation and spamming. And who says he wasn't distracted during the fight? He could have been, but he could have just tanked whatever Bill threw at him, and after that he retaliated. The details of fight are largely unknown. With Jevil, he gets dura negged, so it's different.
And Time Baby's lack of object permanence is the very reason why Bill can't mess with him mind or possess him at all, so it's an important detail.

 

[Randomuser3412]

it's about Jevil's teleportation and spamming.

His lack of object permanence doesn't exactly matter too much. When he realizes he's getting attacked, Jevil won't... how you say, "exist" any longer, no matter where he is.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

His lack of object permanence doesn't exactly matter too much.

It would confuse him.

When he realizes he's getting attacked, Jevil won't... how you say, "exist" any longer, no matter where he is.

I don’t think his first reaction to being damaged is nuking planets or stopping time, at least we don’t know about that. At worst, it would be incon just for that.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

(We have Sans inconing with Zeno while Zeno starts with movement based Multiversal EE or smth via just Danmaku and Dura Neg, TB’s situation is really worse here lmao)

 

[Randomuser3412]

It would confuse him.

He's not stupid; he's listed as "at least Above Average" intelligence on his profile. If something is attacking him and he doesn't know where or what it is, and it's about to kill him, I'm betting he would use his strongest option to stop it.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

He's not stupid; he's listed as "at least Above Average" intelligence on his profile. If something is attacking him and he doesn't know where or what it is, and it's about to kill him, I'm betting he would use his strongest option to stop it.

That’s called assuming. And you know what that does with u and Ming?
Also:

(We have Sans inconing with Zeno while Zeno starts with movement based Multiversal EE or smth via just Danmaku and Dura Neg, TB’s situation is really worse here lmao)

 

[Randomuser3412]

(We have Sans inconing with Zeno while Zeno starts with movement based Multiversal EE or smth via just Danmaku and Dura Neg, TB’s situation is really worse here lmao)

Sans's dura neg is a hell of a lot better than Jevil's. Jevil's first attack legit wouldn't even kill Time Baby. He would need to use a different attack after that, which he wouldn't be teleporting around during.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Sans's dura neg is a hell of a lot better than Jevil's.

That’s fair, but TB not taking Jevil seriously initially and then getting confused over teleportation compensates for that.

Jevil's first attack legit wouldn't even kill Time Baby. He would need to use a different attack after that, which he wouldn't be teleporting around during.

Pretty sure Jevil can knock off one party member if you don’t dodge anything? And we know nothing of TB’s dodging skill.

 

[Randomuser3412]

I’m aware, but TB not taking Jevil seriously initially and then getting confused over teleportation compensates for that.

That’s called assuming. And you know what that does with u and Ming?

Pretty sure Jevil can knock off one party member if you don’t dodge anything?

I don't think the first attack alone can. And even if it did, the obvious, logical reaction to being attacked and dying quickly is to use something that could easily stop that. Time Baby isn't just gonna sit there, do nothing and die, is he?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I don't think the first attack alone can.

Can’t test it sadly, but he has high damage and I remember losing two members of the gang in other attacks so…?

And even if it did, the obvious, logical reaction to being attacked and dying quickly is to use something that could easily stop that. Time Baby isn't just gonna sit there, do nothing and die, is he?

Issue is, lack of object permanence means he forgot Jevil existed lmao. He isn’t stupid, but even smart people get confused over danger that comes apparently out of nowhere, so that’s what I’m betting on.

 

[Randomuser3412]

Issue is, lack of object permanence means he forgot Jevil existed lmao.

Because babies totally stop crying in 0.2 seconds after something that upset them leaves their sight.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Because babies totally stop crying in 0.2 seconds after something that upset them leaves their sight.

They don’t, but you know, if you don’t even remember what is attacking you, you don’t even know where to shoot? His reaction can be whatever: shooting lasers everywhere, stopping time, using TK on random things, nuking planet, etc.: we don’t know, his arsenal is big and he has little IC fight details. This ambiguity is enough for me to argue Incon.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Yea whoop his ass JEVIL

Time Baby gets hit once, realizes it kind of hurts and then literally destroys the planet

His 5-B ass is not going to get hurt from 8-A attacks at all. Sure, his soul is gonna get melted from attacks. But Time Baby doesn't have anything in P&A that would suggests he would be aware of this. From his perspective Jevil is nothing more than annoying fly, and would remain so till his soul is shattered. Would you nuke the planet due to some fly?(Also, I don't remember Gravity Falls that well, but I don't think nuking Earth is in character for him at all).
Jevil is not as lethal as Sans. But Time Baby doesn't have INV, and is big ass target. Something like this(or giant devilknife), if it manages to hit him properly, would kill him.

 

[ARandomDude127]

His 5-B ass is not going to get hurt from 8-A attacks at all. Sure, his soul is gonna get melted from attacks. But Time Baby doesn't have anything in P&A that would suggests he would be aware of this. From his perspective Jevil is nothing more than annoying fly, and would remain so till his soul is shattered. Would you nuke the planet due to some fly?(Also, I don't remember Gravity Falls that well, but I don't think nuking Earth is in character for him at all).
Jevil is not as lethal as Sans. But Time Baby doesn't have INV, and is big ass target. Something like this(or giant devilknife), if it manages to hit him properly, would kill him.

There’s NO way Jevil actually manages to pull off a win against TIME BABY on this wiki

 

[Randomuser3412]

But Time Baby doesn't have anything in P&A that would suggests he would be aware of this.

This feels extremely disingenuous and has never been brought up in any previous match where SOUL hax was the deciding factor.

Also, I don't remember Gravity Falls that well, but I don't think nuking Earth is in character for him at all

Totally is. If Time Baby thought he was gonna die, he would 100% destroy the area all around him (this isn't even on Earth, so why would he care anyway?)

 

[Randomuser3412]

There’s NO way Jevil actually manages to pull off a win against TIME BABY on this wiki

It gets to a point, man

 

[ARandomDude127]

Totally is. If Time Baby thought he was gonna die, he would 100% destroy the area all around him (this isn't even on Earth, so why would he care anyway?)

It… technically is? This takes place within Jevil’s cell, which is in a Dark World, which is in a school, a school on the planet Earth.

 

[ARandomDude127]

It gets to a point, man

Maybe the VsWiki slander isn’t fully undeserved

 

[Qurbonboev]

This feels extremely disingenuous and has never been brought up in any previous match where SOUL hax was the deciding factor.

Sans vs Makima, and Jevil vs Fleetway Sonic had in conditions that opponents are aware that enemies have soulhax. Otherwise, both of the MUs would be sliding in the stomp territory. No such condition > Opponents aren't aware that their souls are melting from weak ass attacks.

Totally is. If Time Baby thought he was gonna die, he would 100% destroy the area all around him

Problem is, he wouldn't suspect a thing till he actually dies

 

[Randomuser3412]

Sans vs Makima, and Jevil vs Fleetway Sonic had in conditions that opponents are aware that enemies have soulhax. Otherwise, both of the MUs would be sliding in the stomp territory. No such condition > Opponents aren't aware that their souls are melting from weak ass attacks.

Rayleigh crying gif
it's no wonder UT/DR sucks to make matches for

 

[ARandomDude127]

Sans vs Makima, and Jevil vs Fleetway Sonic had in conditions that opponents are aware that enemies have soulhax. Otherwise, both of the MUs would be sliding in the stomp territory. No such condition > Opponents aren't aware that their souls are melting from weak ass attacks.

Problem is, he wouldn't suspect a thing till he actually dies

Yeah bro Jevil just take my goddamn vote

 

[Qurbonboev]

Jevil FRA

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

HELL YEAH Jevil FRA

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

There’s NO way Jevil actually manages to pull off a win against TIME BABY on this wiki

THAT DUMB FAT BABY GETS BEATEN BY A MINIATURE JESTER PARODY OF THE SMALL SLICE OF MY OWN CHAOS!!! THIS HUMILATING MATCHUP PLEASES MY EYE!!!​

 

[LittleGuy99]

Jevil FRA!!

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Bump

 

[Comiphorous]

Sans vs Makima, and Jevil vs Fleetway Sonic had in conditions that opponents are aware that enemies have soulhax. Otherwise, both of the MUs would be sliding in the stomp territory. No such condition > Opponents aren't aware that their souls are melting from weak ass attacks.

Time Baby would still notice he's being harmed, as characters in deltarune hit by soul attacks physically react to their soul being hit. It should be no different for Time Baby.

This is a stomp. Time Baby gets hit, and then erases Jevil with their very funny Hyperversal range.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Time Baby would still notice he's being harmed, as characters in deltarune hit by soul attacks physically react to their soul being hit. It should be no different for Time Baby.

This is a stomp. Time Baby gets hit, and then erases Jevil with their very funny Hyperversal range.

Yeah, Time Baby would physically react to Jevil attacks. Same way he would physically react to any other 8-A attack by any other opponent(aka, trillions times weaker than him).
If is in character for Time Baby to erase opponents trillions times weaker than him, sure it's stomp. If not, he is gonna get his soul shattered

 

[Comiphorous]

Yeah, Time Baby would physically react to Jevil attacks. Same way he would physically react to any other 8-A attack by any other opponent(aka, trillions times weaker than him).
If is in character for Time Baby to erase opponents trillions times weaker than him, sure it's stomp. If not, he is gonna get his soul shattered

See that isn't anywhere close to what I said which is why i'm confused. I said that characters in deltarune react to the DAMAGE TO THEIR SOUL. It doesn't fking matter what tier Jevil is, he has DURABILITY NEGATION. the whole point is to ignore the durability of the opponent. This is a dishonest argument and you know it.

Time Baby objectively gets harmed as you have been arguing, so Time Baby will FEEL the damage because feeling pain and someone's durability are not connected in any way, and realizes Jevil can harm him and fking vaporizes him with a single move.

 

[Qurbonboev]

I said that characters in deltarune react to the DAMAGE TO THEIR SOUL

1. As it currently stands, attacks in UTDR do both spiritual and physical damage simultaneously. So it's just DR characters reacting to getting hurt physically. (And Ralsei gets hurt despite not having soul in the first place).
2. Even if it was reacting to their soul getting hurt, most straightforward explanation is that they have awareness of their souls(which they have).

It doesn't fking matter what tier Jevil is, he has DURABILITY NEGATION. the whole point is to ignore the durability of the opponent. This is a dishonest argument and you know it.

And he duranegs via soul damage. Something that Baby can't register at all.

Time Baby objectively gets harmed as you have been arguing,

Spiritually, not physically

so Time Baby will FEEL the damage because feeling pain and someone's durability are not connected in any way,

What? Punches from toddlers and punches from boxers do feel different because they do have different AP. And how much they would hurt would depend on how durable you are(boxer would experience less pain than toddler)