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To be noted btw, you guys can ask other staff (particularly those that downgraded the verse before) to comment here. I don't mind waiting before concluding the thread, in order to get an accurate conclusion as possible.

In fact, if you tell me which staff that did so, I can tag them here.
 
Whether that be the stars not behaving as they should or mitigating circumstances outside of it, like with the other pocket dimension feats (which were rejected in this very thread).
Do we have proof they are actually stars in the first place? If your entire line of logic is this, the maximum you can get out of this is the moons being real. Why would Columbina, who’s fighting on par with Dottore (they are equal opponents), have any narrative reason to create a realm which requires her to actually output solar system levels of strength to create stars? That has no narrative sense.

Instead, the opposition keeps asking to ignore it, and nah fam. Prove your claim.
And that’s not a legible point. Who said we should abide by a textbook appeal to ignorance? The entire basis is “no reason to deny this is provided, therefore this should be accepted”.

Once the fight is over, the dimension disappears. That points to her sustaining it.
Characters can sustain domains with energy without actually requiring star levels of energy. Domain expansions in JJK are very much textbook examples of this.
 
To be noted btw, you guys can ask other staff (particularly those that downgraded the verse before) to comment here. I don't mind waiting before concluding the thread, in order to get an accurate conclusion as possible.

In fact, if you tell me which staff that did so, I can tag them here.
I think Puppet or Woomy should know about this.
 
would this mean rerir has 5-A scaling due to having pocket dimension with a moon inside
🤔 the dimension dissapears after he decides to enter real world to kill columbina and others
 
Characters can sustain domains with energy without actually requiring star levels of energy. Domain expansions in JJK are very much textbook examples of this.
Apologies, but I don't care about other verses. I care about whether Genshin fits the standard.
 
Do we have proof they are actually stars in the first place? If your entire line of logic is this, the maximum you can get out of this is the moons being real. Why would Columbina, who’s fighting on par with Dottore (they are equal opponents), have any narrative reason to create a realm which requires her to actually output solar system levels of strength to create stars? That has no narrative sense.


And that’s not a legible point. Who said we should abide by a textbook appeal to ignorance? The entire basis is “no reason to deny this is provided, therefore this should be accepted”.
The reason is simple. We literally see stars. It is what it is.

Again, you can disagree all you want. I don't under current evidence. Other staff may, and that's also fine. Currently, 2 other staff agree with me. As I said, I don't mind waiting, but you are genuinely stonewalling at this point.
 
would this mean rerir has 5-A scaling due to having pocket dimension with a moon inside
🤔 the dimension dissapears after he decides to enter real world to kill columbina and others
Mind you, that realm was in Nefer's chessboard. So yeah, unlucky brother.
 
The reason is simple. We literally see stars. It is what it is.
No, we saw small glowing dots. Nothing suggests they have mass as potent as stars or any other properties. You know very well that this is a terrible argument that has absolutely no basis whatsoever.

We see stars all throughout realms in fiction. The wiki, surprisingly, does not take each and every one of them as real celestial bodies and make everyone and their mother scale to 4-A.
 
Once the fight is over, the dimension disappears. That points to her sustaining it.
I would agree if it was Columbina getting knocked out. The fight ends with Dottore being knocked out though and then she dispels the dimension itself, which doesn't have to lead to her own energy physically keeping it up and running in the first place. In the second video, we don't even see her exert energy at all when summoning it, but we do see her make a special move in the first one so it seems inconsistent to determine her energy values from it.

Ultimately, I do agree the celestial bodies are genuine unlike the previous attempts, but what basis is there to assume she created the stars in the background and thus have Galactic range? The moon, I can get, but the stars behind them showing after she created a moon who's purpose is to darken the sky (and thus indirectly show the stars) don't need to have been created perse. Nor do I see any statement that her dimension was a dimension being created. She coulda created the moon for all I know
 
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Mind you, that realm was in Nefer's chessboard. So yeah, unlucky brother.
that doesnt matter since pocket dimensions can be large even if they are inside something else
I mean you have realm of space inside teyvat yet u argue its 4-A dimension so
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that doesnt matter since pocket dimensions can be large even if they are inside something else
I mean you have realm of space inside teyvat yet u argue its 4-A dimension so
🤷‍♂️
There's no confirmation that realm was Rerir's realm either.
 
The standard is based off the normal, and the normal is defined as “not just genshin”. That’s just a disingenuous claim.

Do you have proof of your claim?
Whataboutism isn't an acceptable argument. Each verse has their own circumstances and should be judge on their own. Last thing I will say on the matter.

You are not satisfied with current evidence, that's fine. I am. It is what it is.
 
You also know what’s funny? These “stars” most of the time are just particles that are actually everywhere in the boss fight. They dim extremely and move around like how Kuuvakhi particles do.
 
I would agree if it was Columbina getting knocked out. The fight ends with Dottore being knocked out though and then she dispels the dimension itself, which doesn't have to lead to her own energy physically keeping it up and running in the first place. In the second video, we don't even see her exert energy at all when summoning it, but we do see her make a special move in the first one so it seems inconsistent to determine her energy values from it.
That's a fair conclusion, honestly. I give more stock to the fighting overall tho. Still, I wouldn't fight it if other staff agreed more with this.
 
Whataboutism isn't an acceptable argument.

This isn’t a whataboutism. It’s a reductio ad absurdum. Fictional verses have a tendency to actually not create real celestial bodies when doing hax like this. JJK is just one of the examples. Like you said, a standard. Why did we suddenly go from the normal value to a particular and singular value? Seems like a double standard to me.

Because we have such a big sample space for the notion that celestial bodies in domains don’t actually require that much energy in fiction, especially games like HoYo, we should be skeptical when it comes to stuff like this.

Can you like, cite me a source for “There wasn’t any provided contradictions so it can be taken as true”? I’m very curious about that point.
 
I would agree if it was Columbina getting knocked out. The fight ends with Dottore being knocked out though and then she dispels the dimension itself, which doesn't have to lead to her own energy physically keeping it up and running in the first place. In the second video, we don't even see her exert energy at all when summoning it, but we do see her make a special move in the first one so it seems inconsistent to determine her energy values from it.

Ultimately, I do agree the celestial bodies are genuine unlike the previous attempts, but what basis is there to assume she created the stars in the background and thus have Galactic range? The moon, I can get, but the stars behind them showing after she created a moon who's purpose is to darken the sky (and thus indirectly show the stars) don't need to have been created perse. Nor do I see any statement that her dimension
In fact...

What do you think about this? @DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69
 
Give me the exact statement where it says he created it.
brother columbina had 0 statements abt creating realm she did and why would rerir need to? why you being hypocrite rn do you see how ridicilous that is anyway i just wanted to know if its valid or not but ig it may be valid
 
Azhdaha is the Geo Sovereign. Come on now. He and Apep have equal evidences of being a Sovereign.
Azhdaha is just vaguely mention as Geo King Dragon in CN, Apep at least tells u "yeah i was there with Nibelung chilling" unless they actually show Adzhada in a Sovereign cutscene/animation im not gonna agree with it
Give me the exact statement where it says he created it.
Why would it be Nefer's chessboard when he litterally got out of it? and then suddenly we are in a pocket dimension.
Not to mention he can manipulate it at will
 
I would agree if it was Columbina getting knocked out. The fight ends with Dottore being knocked out though and then she dispels the dimension itself, which doesn't have to lead to her own energy physically keeping it up and running in the first place. In the second video, we don't even see her exert energy at all when summoning it, but we do see her make a special move in the first one so it seems inconsistent to determine her energy values from it.
What does this mean? Wasn't it Columbina who created that dimension? We even saw how easy it was for her to create it when she showed it to Traveler, but when fighting, Columbina needs more effort to create an attack.
 
Azhdaha is just vaguely mention as Geo King Dragon in CN, Apep at least tells u "yeah i was there with Nibelung chilling" unless they actually show Adzhada in a Sovereign cutscene/animation im not gonna agree with it

You do know that Azhdaha has like, voicelines up till 1.5 yapping about how he hates the current world, the PO, how the sovereigns were replaced, etc etc right?
 
What does this mean? Wasn't it Columbina who created that dimension? We even saw how easy it was for her to create it when she showed it to Traveler, but when fighting, Columbina needs more effort to create an attack.
Because it could also just be hax. They are absolutely right to point out the fact the second vid kinda does point to the other direction.
 
You also know what’s funny? These “stars” most of the time are just particles that are actually everywhere in the boss fight. They dim extremely and move around like how Kuuvakhi particles do.
Actually, just slow down the clip linked in the OP lmao, it just shows the particles that are used as “stars” moving and dissipating 😭.
 
Apparently I f*cked up and forgot to finish my last argument. I also meant to ask why are we assuming she created a dimension and not just the moon
I believed so because the second vid she did it again and it was the exact same (with Paimon seemingly referencing that "that's the place they talked about before" that she didn't get to see)

But honestly? Thinking it further, couldn't she just have teleported them there?
 
Each verse has their own circumstances and should be judge on their own.
Didn't I mention several times that this verse is promiscuous regarding the feats of celestial bodies? That should be the circumstance of the verse and how such feats are judged. But instead you turn all my arguments into a straw man
None were provided. Instead, the opposition keeps asking to ignore it, and nah fam. Prove your claim.
 
Because it could also just be hax. They are absolutely right to point out the fact the second vid kinda does point to the other direction.
What do you mean, the creation was just a hax? Or was it during the fight with Dottore?

I'm really confused by this point. We're shown after the fight with Dottore, Columbina showing the space to the traveler, but when she fights Dottore, she actually shows more effort, expending a significant amount of energy to defeat Dottore.

So the important point here is that the energy output she requires should be directly proportional to the energy output she requires during the fight, even more.

shouldn't this be fine like the points we discussed from the beginning?
 
Didn't I mention several times that this verse is promiscuous regarding the feats of celestial bodies? That should be the circumstance of the verse and how such feats are judged. But instead you turn all my arguments into a straw man
I acknowledged that. I simply don't agree to group them all by default without true reason.

Instead, I am coming to my own conclusion, that maybe Columbina teleported them and called it a day, as there's not a proper statement that she even created it.
 
But honestly? Thinking it further, couldn't she just have teleported them there?
Columbina possesses the Authority over Space. It is likely that he was simply teleporting, but the power of the Three Moons allows him to do both at the same time (Dottore, who possessed the Authority of the Three Moons, was able to create his own dimension and teleport there with the cast of Nod-Krai).
 
I believed so because the second vid she did it again and it was the exact same (with Paimon seemingly referencing that "that's the place they talked about before" that she didn't get to see)
Ah, yeah that makes sense then.
But honestly? Thinking it further, couldn't she just have teleported them there?
We have absolutely no idea. The conclusion OP derived from what we see is just as much as an assumption as what you're suggesting here as there's nothing explicit about the logistics of the feat in the first place, there's no statement about her creating it or sustaining it with energy at all
 
Ah, yeah that makes sense then.

We have absolutely no idea. The conclusion OP derived from what we see is just as much as an assumption as what you're suggesting here as there's nothing explicit about the logistics of the feat in the first place, there's no statement about her creating it or sustaining it with energy at all
Agreed, yeah.
 
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