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You mean when Mona didn't believe fake sky was real?

No, i kinda invalidate urs

Then again, Invincible Ignorant fallacy, gg

It is, litterally stated
It's okay, I won't elaborate further, as my points are in the previous argument.
And yes, this fake sky issue will probably be discussed in detail in a separate CRT.
 
The Shades too right? I remember Planck (Ap and Dura only) and Reiner agreed in the previous CRT that y'all agree the Shades can upscale from Moon Goddesses.
And you have said this before:
As having applicable scaling, yes. Since the Heavenly Principles are shown in lore to be beyond Moon Goddess stuff, they can upscale.

However, I also agreed they can have Pocket Dimension Manipulation (or at least, the ones that have the showings). It's just not AP applicable (though doesn't end up mattering since they will upscale to the rating still)

Morever, there's literally no way that Columbina is above the Four Shades since the shades themselves hierarchically higher than Columbina herself and just one level below the Heavenly Principles. And there's a lot of thing to suggest the Shades is superior than the Moon Goddeses.
 
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@Sahlwrld, Characters are affected by this?
The Current God-Tier characters as the title says. So Nibelung, Four Shades, Sinners, and Sovereigns.

Well, don't say "They don't deserve it! He shouldn't be the same tier!" Because we're talking about the current one. So, them deserving as in the god tier or not is for another crt.
 
The Current God-Tier characters as the title says. So Nibelung, Four Shades, Sinners, and Sovereigns.

Well, don't say "They don't deserve it! He shouldn't be the same tier!" Because we're talking about the current one. So, them deserving as in the god tier or not is for another crt.
I don’t believe sinners really deserve that (Rerir fighting Weekend Bina doesn’t count). As for the Sovereigns, I’d put them in the “likely” or “possibly” at best.
This is ap applicable right?
No
 
I don’t believe sinners really deserve that (Rerir fighting Weekend Bina doesn’t count). As for the Sovereigns, I’d put them in the “likely” or “possibly” at best.
Surely the Shades have legit rating, cause.. That's like an obvious thing and you should know that.

And Reiner, Lephyr and Planck was agreed that the Shades can upscale in the previous CRT.
 
It is tho. See Lephyr's conclusion:
 
I linked an alternate way to achieving it, which Kuuvahki stuff at least got it. I also mentioned an indirect way of showing it, through making note that using their energy for fights drains them, when creating the dimension did not.


Thank you. I will wait for further comments from Puppet, but looks promising indeed.
@LephyrTheRevanchist



I have something to point out. The phrase “light-years” is a mistranslation. The original text does not contain the phrase “light-years.”


"距离遥远的星星突然坠落在地,按理说这不可能。但事实就是如此矛盾。",
 
That's different from what Mona says in English, like that's a whole different dialogue not the one she mentioned the light-years part. Surely CN to English are not that far and having the same context, but it's not.
No. It's the same sentence.


I checked the original text at this link and confirmed that it is the same.

"1448689234": "Theoretically, it's not possible for stars that are goodness knows how many light-years away to suddenly turn into meteors and fall out of the sky. But, however paradoxical it may be, this is the reality.",

"1448689234": "距离遥远的星星突然坠落在地,按理说这不可能。但事实就是如此矛盾。",
 
No. It's the same sentence.


I checked the original text at this link and confirmed that it is the same.

"1448689234": "Theoretically, it's not possible for stars that are goodness knows how many light-years away to suddenly turn into meteors and fall out of the sky. But, however paradoxical it may be, this is the reality.",

"1448689234": "距离遥远的星星突然坠落在地,按理说这不可能。但事实就是如此矛盾。",
Shit, never mind.
Yh
 
No. It's the same sentence.


I checked the original text at this link and confirmed that it is the same.

"1448689234": "Theoretically, it's not possible for stars that are goodness knows how many light-years away to suddenly turn into meteors and fall out of the sky. But, however paradoxical it may be, this is the reality.",

"1448689234": "距离遥远的星星突然坠落在地,按理说这不可能。但事实就是如此矛盾。",
These things are actually irrelevant to continue, because what is accepted has nothing to do with false sky.
Regardless, proof that stars are real is found in several things I discussed earlier.

Perhaps false sky will be discussed separately in CRT.
 
These things are actually irrelevant to continue, because what is accepted has nothing to do with false sky.
Regardless, proof that stars are real is found in several things I discussed earlier.

Perhaps false sky will be discussed separately in CRT.

Provide proof that it's the complete shape of a constellation.

Oh yeah, Perhaps this is the final point, Stella Fortuna is explained to not disappear even if the person who possesses it has fallen, but instead evolves into a new constellation.

This strengthens my argument that what falls into Teyvat is not the complete form of Stella Fortuna, but only a fragment of it.

So, based on the known evidence:
1. Mona explains that stars are real and exist at light-year distances.

2. It is stated that what falls into Teyvat is only a part or shards of a constellation.

3. These celestial objects have movement, which is what astrology uses to predict the future.

4. Stella Fortuna does not disappear even if its owner has fallen, but instead evolves into a new constellation.
I simply wanted to point out that since you’re using point 1 as evidence, you can’t use one of the four pieces of evidence. I didn’t mean to disagree with the content of this thread.
 
I simply wanted to point out that since you’re using point 1 as evidence, you can’t use one of the four pieces of evidence. I didn’t mean to disagree with the content of this thread.
Yeah ok,, the first point is partly invalidated due to a mistranslation
 
@LephyrTheRevanchist



I have something to point out. The phrase “light-years” is a mistranslation. The original text does not contain the phrase “light-years.”


"距离遥远的星星突然坠落在地,按理说这不可能。但事实就是如此矛盾。",
The feat that is being accepted anyways is the one by Columbina, so no worries there. Thank you tho.
 
The Shades too right? I remember Planck (only AP and Dura) and Reiner agreed in the previous CRT that y'all agree the Shades can upscale from Moon Goddesses.
And you have said this before:


Morever, there's literally no way that Columbina is above the Four Shades since the shades themselves hierarchically higher than Columbina herself and just one level below the Heavenly Principles. And there's a lot of thing to suggest the Shades is superior than the Moon Goddeses.
The feat that is being accepted anyways is the one by Columbina, so no worries there. Thank you tho.
Yurr... I was asking something about the scaling. The shades gotta too right?
 
so let me get this straight aight.

Legit = Shades and Nibelung
Possibly/Likely = the Sovereigns
Not legit = Sinners.

Last two was from @TWILIGHT-OP's personal opinion. Anyone wanna add?
 
Legit = Shades and Nibelung
Possibly/Likely = the Sovereigns
Not legit = Sinners.
We are 6 years into this game and people still dont know which are the top tiers, it isnt as if Sovereing and Shades fought for 40 years and Sinners have statments that compared them to Sovereings (The 3 groups are equals)
 
I was about to say "Throw a f*cking discussion rule on this" cuz it would be the third time I've seen 4-A Genshin be accepted just to get nuked a week later cuz the mods who accepted it did it too hastily.

This seems to be fine though and I agree with what staff are saying FRA, although I personally disagree with it scaling to her durability/striking strength; it seems to be a creation feat she can't really like, casually do and more so an ultimate attack. Moreover, I'm not sure if elements or kuhvaaki would be an UES with the new standards coming in place, and I wouldn't apply anything related to UES rn in case it wouldn't fly by the standards regardless
 
This seems to be fine though and I agree with what staff are saying FRA, although I personally disagree with it scaling to her durability/striking strength; it seems to be a creation feat she can't really like, casually do and more so an ultimate attack. Moreover, I'm not sure if elements or kuhvaaki would be an UES with the new standards coming in place, and I wouldn't apply anything related to UES rn in case it wouldn't fly by the standards regardless
That's precisely why I asked for a showing of Stabilization. Since she can passively sustain the dimension whether in combat or outside of it, yet she puts more effort into attacking, she does show her energy upscale to the creation feat. After that, it's simple powerscaling. Her attacks damage opponents but don't one shot them, so they scale. They dish it back, so she herself scales.
 
Welcome to Vs Battles. You will have great frustration here, as these feats are indeed common, and as such, we do accept them as legit as long as they pass our standards. And this feat does.

You not liking the argument is fine (I myself don't, believe it or not), but we do use them for our profiles. It is what it is.
What are your standards? There’s nothing here that works under any legible standards.

I seriously doubt you’re accepting stuff that is blatantly contradictory with the narrative. Or the fact that you can’t even prove that they’re really stars in the first place. There’s not even an argument to apply the standard to in the first place. We’ve disregarded many feats like this due to the fact that we cannot prove the celestial bodies in question to be real.
 
What are your standards? There’s nothing here that works under any legible standards.

I seriously doubt you’re accepting stuff that is blatantly contradictory with the narrative.
I already linked them, asked for proof, and proof got provided. You may disagree, the wiki disagrees with us. It is what it is.
 
it isnt as if Sovereing and Shades fought for 40 years and Sinners have statments that compared them to Sovereings (The 3 groups are equals)
“They fought for 40 years”

Looks closer

Xbalanque without divine powers beats an abyss amped Sovereign.
Morax’s victory is said to be unquestionable by the devs.
There is no actual record of the fight being 40 years long other than a book that is said to be half fables.
 
Or the fact that you can’t even prove that they’re really stars in the first place. There’s not even an argument to apply the standard to in the first place. We’ve disregarded many feats like this due to the fact that we cannot prove the celestial bodies in question to be real.
...when we are given a reason to doubt them. Whether that be the stars not behaving as they should or mitigating circumstances outside of it, like with the other pocket dimension feats (which were rejected in this very thread).

Columbina's, seemingly, has not contradictions (I asked for them, because I don't have verse knowledge). None were provided. Instead, the opposition keeps asking to ignore it, and nah fam. Prove your claim.
 
That's precisely why I asked for a showing of Stabilization. Since she can passively sustain the dimension whether in combat or outside of it, yet she puts more effort into attacking, she does show her energy upscale to the creation feat. After that, it's simple powerscaling. Her attacks damage opponents but don't one shot them, so they scale. They dish it back, so she herself scales.
Unless I'm tweaking, I don't see in the video how Columbina is actively putting in energy to keep it up (and thus stabilising it), she just creates it and boom it's done.
 
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