Mikey vs Griffith

[LostLightt]

COTE solos TR btw

lol add me on cord we can debate ts, not even the vsbw agrees wit u

 

[Chariot190]

Wait how old do you think he is so I can multiply it by 3

Better question is how old ya'll think I am?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Better question is how old ya'll think I am?

Unc status is 30+ i assume

 

[LostLightt]

yall being disrespectful to the op get to debating me

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Unironically higher than any TR feat

Just saying its diabolical for the whole verse to be scaled lower than a 4 year old

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Better question is how old ya'll think I am?

30?

 

[LostLightt]

Just saying its diabolical for the whole verse to be scaled lower than a 4 year old

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anya scales lower than tr ur being disengenuous

 

[XxZetsuxX]

yall being disrespectful to the op get to debating me

I mean.. i replied already, you ignored my comment

So you think beating 500 untrained delinquents—who Mikey can one-tap and blitz—is more impressive than fighting 100 trained soldiers? Just curious

If we look at his feats, he’s supposedly a genius, yet he gets knocked out by untrained delinquents, shows poor critical thinking by falling for Kazutora’s trap, has a rebound ability that isn’t even at a gifted level, an attack durability that’s only slightly above average at best, and a bottle feat that’s unconvincing since it likely wasn’t his first attempt.

Defeating average martial artists isn’t impressive, especially when Mikey simply outstats them. As for Izana’s ANPR, I’ll say it again—he wasn’t unreadable to Izana; Izana was being weakened by sustained blows to his limbs, which slowed him down and made him unable to react in time.

In a battle of swordsmanship, I don’t think we even need to debate who the better swordsman is, right? What’s stopping Griffith from, you know, stepping on his sword and going for the throat?

What?

I will let Chariot handle this since he commented when i was in the middle of this

So my arguments aren’t considered reasons? Is that how you usually debate?

 

[Raiden38]

Lowkey we should delete Tokyo Revengers off the wiki it aint getting better from here.

It seems that Tokyo Revengers awakens something inside people

 

[LostLightt]

I mean.. i replied already, you ignored my comment

Aight

So you think beating 500 untrained delinquents—who Mikey can one-tap and blitz—is more impressive than fighting 100 trained soldiers? Just curious

Ironically yes, show me the feat of guts being 100 trained soldiers aswell.

If we look at his feats, he’s supposedly a genius, yet he gets knocked out by untrained delinquents,

Ts never happened btw

shows poor critical thinking by falling for Kazutora’s trap

thats iq, but aight

has a rebound ability that isn’t even at a gifted level

what does ts even mean

an attack durability that’s only slightly above average at best

nice combat skill feats and non evidential claim

and a bottle feat that’s unconvincing since it likely wasn’t his first attempt.

prove that. Mikey tells shinichiro not to move either implying its his first time or shinichiro moved. It's also still impressive even if it was on his 10th attempt, he was 4 years old mate

. As for Izana’s ANPR, I’ll say it again—he wasn’t unreadable to Izana; Izana was being weakened by sustained blows to his limbs, which slowed him down and made him unable to react in time.

They were comp in the second fight and the same thing still happened, mikey was landing several hits on him

In a battle of swordsmanship, I don’t think we even need to debate who the better swordsman is, right? What’s stopping Griffith from, you know, stepping on his sword and going for the throat?

whats stopping mikey from slicing griffiths arm off, like, what question is that

 

[Raiden38]

Better question is how old ya'll think I am?

47

 

[Huesito88]

Ironically yes, show me the feat of guts being 100 trained soldiers aswell.

Never watched or read Berserk?

 

[LostLightt]

Never watched or read Berserk?

nah mate, it dont matter even if he did it without being largely superior to them, mikey still outskills

 

[XxZetsuxX]

nah mate, it dont matter even if he did it without being largely superior to them, mikey still outskills

??

 

[LostLightt]

??

yo do ts again and u actually might manage to ragebait me, what does ts even mean

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Aight

Ironically yes, show me the feat of guts being 100 trained soldiers aswell.

Ok bro

Ts never happened btw

Choji, Kazutora and the other fodder:

what does ts even mean

His rebound that let's his regain balance, you know the thing Izana says? did you watch their fight?

nice combat skill feats and non evidential claim

You altered my message; it took me a while to figure out what this was supposed to be.

Well, the characters that know martial arts are average, is what I am trying to say, so Mikey beating them is not impressive, is what I’m saying.

prove that. Mikey tells shinichiro not to move either implying its his first time or shinichiro moved. It's also still impressive even if it was on his 10th attempt, he was 4 years old mate

Well.. 10th attempt just removes completely your superhuman precision completely and AD becomes severely weaker lol

Anyway, here: "You better hit this one"

They were comp in the second fight and the same thing still happened, mikey was landing several hits on him

Still not unreadable to Izana

whats stopping mikey from slicing griffiths arm off, like, what question is that

Oh, i don't know, Griffith with his superior swordsmanship (no diff btw)

 

[Chariot190]

nah mate, it dont matter even if he did it without being largely superior to them, mikey still outskills

It very much does. What's more difficult for a normal person?
Fighting off 100 ants, or 100 bears that all know taekwondo?
The relative stat gap and what the opposing targets can do relative to who's fighting them is very much an important factor.

yo do ts again and u actually might manage to ragebait me, what does ts even mean

It means Guts fought 100 trained armored soldiers all armed with weapons such as swords, pikes, and even crossbolts for ranged attacks, and managed to murder them all simultaneously despite every single one capable of harming him.
There's also the fact Guts has been fighting in armed combat since birth using weapons he shouldn't be capable of wielding effectively being handicapped against trained armored soldiers given you mentioned Mikey training since he was a child, goes both ways here.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

yo do ts again and u actually might manage to ragebait me, what does ts even mean

First Vzear, now LostLightt will activate his DI too

 

[LostLightt]

Choji, Kazutora and the other fodder:

Yo ur actually lying rn

That was a 3 v 1, Mikey was on bad footing, they were getting diffed, they were also expert fighters and are stronger than mid tiers like baji lol

His rebound that let's his regain balance, you know the thing Izana says? did you watch their fight?

izana said is rebounding is extraordinary, and then u classified it as if thats quantifiable...

You altered my message; it took me a while to figure out what this was supposed to be.

Nah i copy and pasted it

Well, the characters that know martial arts are average, is what I am trying to say, so Mikey beating them is not impressive, is what I’m saying.

they have anpr, know pressure points, damage reduction, and can take on tens of people at a time. So no, I wouldn't say thta

Anyway, here: "You better hit this one"

I jst debunked it

Mikey tells shinichiro not to move either implying its his first time or shinichiro moved.

Still not unreadable to Izana

He's outskilling him, why r u strawmanning me

 

[LostLightt]

It very much does. What's more difficult for a normal person?
Fighting off 100 ants, or 100 bears that all know taekwondo?
The relative stat gap and what the opposing targets can do relative to who's fighting them is very much an important factor.

It means Guts fought 100 trained armored soldiers all armed with weapons such as swords, pikes, and even crossbolts for ranged attacks, and managed to murder them all simultaneously despite every single one capable of harming him.
There's also the fact Guts has been fighting in armed combat since birth using weapons he shouldn't be capable of wielding effectively being handicapped against trained armored soldiers given you mentioned Mikey training since he was a child, goes both ways here.

Draken beat 100 men armed with pipes and bats, despite them being able to hurt him too, so did Senju, Ryusei defeated dozens of men, so did Baji, so did every known character in the verse

Mikey outskills

 

[Huesito88]

Draken beat 100 men armed with pipes and bats, despite them being able to hurt him too, so did Senju, Ryusei defeated dozens of men, so did Baji, so did every known character in the verse

Mikey outskills

What were the stats of these guys?

 

[LostLightt]

What were the stats of these guys?

they can hit and harm them in groups

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Yo ur actually lying rn

Yo, this Mikey after taking a metal pipe to the temple?

That was a 3 v 1, Mikey was on bad footing, they were getting diffed, they were also expert fighters and are stronger than mid tiers like baji lol

I thought Mikey was supposed to be outskilling them? Why was he relying on stats?

izana said is rebounding is extraordinary, and then u classified it as if thats quantifiable...

It's an actual skill feat (average at best tho)

Nah i copy and pasted it

"Attack Durability", i didn't say that

they have anpr, know pressure points, damage reduction, and can take on tens of people at a time. So no, I wouldn't say thta

Ok now, who's lying now

Izana is the only guy with ANPR in the verse, who even has damage reduction??

And again, taking alot of dudes is just stats

I jst debunked it

No

He's outskilling him, why r u strawmanning me

Outstating him*

Izana is arguably more skilled than Mikey, considering he is more level-headed and has ANPR and martial arts training.

 

[LostLightt]

Yo, this Mikey after taking a metal pipe to the temple?

I thought Mikey was supposed to be outskilling them? Why was he relying on stats?

Yo r u tryna ragebait me, he was overwhelming them on bad footing lol, they even said he was deadly as shit and that they have to hold him down to win

It's an actual skill feat (average at best tho)

u cant quantify it, stop trying to quantify it.

Ok now, who's lying now

still u

Izana is the only guy with ANPR in the verse, who even has damage reduction??

Ryusei....

No

Good rebunk

Outstating him*

Izana is arguably more skilled than Mikey, considering he is more level-headed and has ANPR and martial arts training.

nice 1, u named things mikey has.

Izana and mikey are comp, izana literally fell at the same time mikey did in they second fight, stop tryna argue ts

 

[Chariot190]

Draken beat 100 men armed with pipes and bats, despite them being able to hurt him too, so did Senju, Ryusei defeated dozens of men, so did Baji, so did every known character in the verse

Mikey outskills

Man, pipes are not the same as lethal cross bolts, swords, and spears, all while everyone is also armored. The very fact Mikey can take one to the temple and still gave the top of his head is evidence enough of the discrepency.

The fact people were throwing ranged stuff in there too as Guts was fending everyone off is just extra.

Imagine if you would, Mikey vs 100 armed men, 50 have swords, 30 have spears, and 20 have guns.
Me and you both know Mikey isn't fighting all that off, while already pretty exhausted no less.

Now couple that in with all these having some semblance of actual training and constant life or death combat, it's not a comparable feat. Especially when a single screw up means death and not "ouch" or "knocked out".

 

[LostLightt]

Man, pipes are not the same as lethal cross bolts, swords, and spears, all while everyone is also armored. The very fact Mikey can take one to the temple and still gave the top of his head is evidence enough of the discrepency.

The fact people were throwing ranged stuff in there too as Guts was fending everyone off is just extra.

Imagine if you would, Mikey vs 100 armed men, 50 have swords, 30 have spears, and 20 have guns.
Me and you both know Mikey isn't fighting all that off, while already pretty exhausted no less.

Now couple that in with all these having some semblance of actual training and constant life or death combat, it's not a comparable feat. Especially when a single screw up means death and not "ouch" or "knocked out".

mikey doesn't get exhausted first of all, its stated hes a monster and inhuman in stamina, he's never even showed to sweat

and yes he is lol, he took down 100s of people and is stated by himself to bring him "20,000".

He's faster than guns massively so I'd assume ur using this as if they're equal in stats.

If they're equal mikey still wins, his precision, rebound, training, accelerated development, biq, skill against other gifted fighters, taking down of 100s of people already is enough

BTW he's never been hit in the fights he had with goons, so, ur kinda assuming that these people could hit him, when mikeys even been attacked from behind him and still managed to not get hit

 

[Robo432343]

'mikey outskills griffith'

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Yo r u tryna ragebait me, he was overwhelming them on bad footing lol, they even said he was deadly as shit and that they have to hold him down to win

Mikey getting his shit rocked—gets knocked out and grabbed, gets enraged, lifts Chōji (or Chongo) with one leg, and one-shots Kazutora.

Yeah, bro, nice skill—totally not stats.

u cant quantify it, stop trying to quantify it.

Okay, Mikey gets downgraded even more skill-wise—your choice.

Ryusei....

?

Good rebunk

Thanks

nice 1, u named things mikey has.

Mikey is level headed? Kazutora says otherwise

Mikey has ANPR? Izana says otherwise

Izana and mikey are comp, izana literally fell at the same time mikey did in they second fight, stop tryna argue ts

They are not comparable, Mikey is stronger, plain and simple

If they were comparable Izana wouldn't have weakened limbs after just a few shots

 

[LostLightt]

'mikey outskills griffith'

good argument

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Dawg, i think it's better if you remake the tier list you showed for an argument

Vzear should easily be above you ngl

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Anywho

I vote Griffith for my reasons

 

[LostLightt]

Mikey getting his shit rocked—gets knocked out and grabbed, gets enraged, lifts Chōji (or Chongo) with one leg, and one-shots Kazutora.

Yeah, bro, nice skill—totally not stats.

Ur literally misinterpreting the whole fight, it's literally stated by them he was completely decimating them. Stop being disengenuos

Okay, Mikey gets downgraded even more skill-wise—your choice.

U cant quantify it

Mikey has ANPR? Izana says otherwise

When did he state ts

They are not comparable, Mikey is stronger, plain and simple

If they were comparable Izana wouldn't have weakened limbs after just a few shots

if u hit someone comp to u and they hit u are u saying ur limbs wont get tired

 

[XxZetsuxX]

The votes afaik are;

Me and Nonynho me thinks

 

[LostLightt]

Dawg, i think it's better if you remake the tier list you showed for an argument

Vzear should easily be above you ngl

Im not even on that tl

 

[LostLightt]

The votes afaik are;

Me and Nonynho me thinks

they said mikey falls in love and left...

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Im not even on that tl

Thank god

 

[Huesito88]

'mikey outskills griffith'

Atleast he isn't saying he outskills EOS Griffith

 

[XxZetsuxX]

3-0

 

[LostLightt]

Thank god

ur starting to piss me off icl, stop acting like ur above me

 

[LostLightt]

i vote griffith via the reasons on page 2

so ur saying mikeys win cons are mute cause griffith outskills, nice 1 ben ten dude

 

[LostLightt]

yall realise mikey in di right?