"Don't let people get you down" match (AppleMaker with powers vs Human race + Composite Human) (0-1-0)

[AppleMaker]

Rules:

• Speed is not equalized
• AppleMaker starts in Australia
• Humanity don't have additional prior knowledge of AppleMaker besides SBA
• Composite human have all prior knowledge on him, but he needs to cooperate with the rest of the world
• Victory is by SBA and any form of incapacitation (for example - AppleMaker could just destroy all weaponry in the world, but spare people or take over the world, rather than killing everyone; Humanity could BFR him to space or put him in coma)

Corny edgelord:

Humanity and some random dude: 1 (@Mythic381)

How tf it even started (incon)?:

 

[Mythic381]

How exactly do you survive this? Governments will start realizing that you'll basically destroy everything, so they'll take you out with bombs.

Obviously you have the speed advantage, but you have ass stamina, that you might as well self-incapacitate yourself from the sheer speed.

Your regeneration isn't good enough to survive getting vaporized by bombs and nuclear weaponry.

• Time Manipulation and limited Temperature Manipulation (Can freeze time indefinitely, but it becomes as cold as in Antarctica on the outside, until he returns time back to normal);

Is genuinely your best bet to win, but with bad stamina, I heavily doubt you'd be able to kill everyone, or take out all weaponry humanity has in a time-span in which you wouldn't just fall unconscious and either be forced to undo your time freezing, or die from freezing while unconscious

Humanity could BFR him to space or put him in coma)

The first one would likely be impossible to do, as you'd have to be insanely stupid to somehow be led into a rocket and not teleport out or anything to escape that.

 

[AppleMaker]

The first one would likely be impossible to do, as you'd have to be insanely stupid to somehow be led into a rocket and not teleport out or anything to escape that.

I just put some random bs for non-lethal examples

 

[AppleMaker]

Anyways, vote counted. However don't forget about pocket dimension, BFR, immeasurable LS and teleportation, not to mention that Humanity is kind of hesitant to use nukes in general and most likely gonna try to use firearms at first and some other means

 

[Mythic381]

BFR,

You wouldn't be able to BFR all of humanity. A good start would be BFRing composite human, though I highly doubt that would change the outcome in my book.

immeasurable LS

I don't really see how you would use that in a way that doesn't just backfire.

teleportation

Doesn't it have a 1 hour delay? There's little places that you could teleport to that can serve as a place you can survive in and hide from basically all governments.

 

[AppleMaker]

You wouldn't be able to BFR all of humanity. A good start would be BFRing composite human, though I highly doubt that would change the outcome in my book.

He could BFR CH and 9 more world leaders, and this would hamper them pretty badly. On top of that he could give himself rel+ combat speed and perform such dance moves until all military/weaponry is gone (even with stamina limitations it's not really impossible)

I don't really see how you would use that in a way that doesn't just backfire.

Destroying/pushing Earth away from the Sun and entering pocket dimension, while humanity is dying

Doesn't it have a 1 hour delay? There's little places that you could teleport to that can serve as a place you can survive in and hide from basically all governments.

It have, but he can just reside in his pocket dimension for humanity to lose track of him and teleport in completely different continent

 

[Mythic381]

He could BFR CH and 9 more world leaders, and this would hamper them pretty badly. On top of that he could give himself rel+ combat speed and perform such dance moves until all military/weaponry is gone (even with stamina limitations it's not really impossible)

You'd get beaten up while doing the "who put you on the planet" dance, as you'd get crowded and either get beaten up even with the reactions, or increase your speed to run through people and your bad stamina kicks in. I also highly doubt they would care that much and not just let the militaries to their jobs, especially with a maniac with abilities roaming around.

Destroying/pushing Earth away from the Sun and entering pocket dimension, while humanity is dying

Killing yourself in the process too. Also how would you even push Earth?

It have, but he can just reside in his pocket dimension for humanity to lose track of him and teleport in completely different continent

Pretty sure all continents will be ready for you.

 

[AppleMaker]

You'd get beaten up while doing the "who put you on the planet" dance, as you'd get crowded and either get beaten up even with the reactions, or increase your speed to run through people and your bad stamina kicks in. I also highly doubt they would care that much and not just let the militaries to their jobs, especially with a maniac with abilities roaming around.

How? Dude have a half of 9-A dura and could be harmed only by shit like heavy weaponry and nukes, not to mention that with such reactions everyone would seem completely stationary and some important politicians/generals still would be wiped out even before something reaches to him. Also don't forget about cleaves, dismantles and malevolent shrine he could pop if he's surrounded while doing his dance, since in profile it was specified that his version of Sukuna's powers are thought based

Killing yourself in the process too. Also how would you even push Earth?

Just kick/push the planet away by amping his LS up to Immeasurable and after doing it he'll just enter his pocket dimension before such calamity would take any effect

Pretty sure all continents will be ready for you.

I doubt humanity have enough people to crowd ALL continents, some of them definitely would have more or less space than the others. Not to mention that soldiers aren't even 50% of the population

 

[Mythic381]

How? Dude have a half of 9-A dura and could be harmed only by shit like heavy weaponry and nukes,

The sheer quantity of people hitting him, not to mention they'd obviously have weapons too that can harm him.

not to mention that with such reactions everyone would seem completely stationary

What exactly will he do? Jump over them? He as the reactions, but not the movement speed enough to literally dodge everyone circling around him.

and some important politicians/generals still would be wiped out even before something reaches to him.

Again, humanity would still fight him without them.

Also don't forget about cleaves, dismantles and malevolent shrine he could pop if he's surrounded while doing his dance, since in profile it was specified that his version of Sukuna's powers are thought based

Which wouldn't kill everyone, and pretty sure would exhaust him.

Just kick/push the planet away by amping his LS up to Immeasurable

That's just straight up not how it works. You aren't going to just kick the ground and the planet will start flying at trillions of light years.

and after doing it he'll just enter his pocket dimension before such calamity would take any effect

The movement of the planet at such a speed from such strength would kill him. (Which would be a lot of times FTL that the reaction speed straight up doesn't save him) Not to mention the pocket dimension is located at your closet, so good luck with that.

 

[AppleMaker]

The sheer quantity of people hitting him, not to mention they'd obviously have weapons too that can harm him.

What exactly will he do? Jump over them? He as the reactions, but not the movement speed enough to literally dodge everyone circling around him.

BFR the heavy hitters of humanity (aka, politicians, generals, soldiers with heavy weaponry and etc). Also as was mentioned on profile - he can get 99% SoL Combat speed as well, not just reactions (aka, perception). Combat speed AFAIK translates to movement speed pretty well, but he can't RUN and TRAVEL at that speed and only limited to Subsonic+ in running speed (basically, he can dance at rel+ speeds, but can't run at such speed)

Again, humanity would still fight him without them.

How would they use nukes, if only people who had access to them are gone? Not to mention their strategy would suffer significantly from that

Which wouldn't kill everyone, and pretty sure would exhaust him.

The more people surrounds him - the worse it's for them, since they won't keep up with enormous amounts of cuts from cleaves and malevolent shrine, that could wipe out several projectiles, troops and machinery at the same time. The best case is if there would be people out of his range, rather if they just gather around him and attempt to fire at him at the same time. Not to mention that how tf would he get tired from thought spamming cleaves, if there aren't anything that could point out his mental abilities would suffer from his physical limitations?

That's just straight up not how it works. You aren't going to just kick the ground and the planet will start flying at trillions of light years.

The movement of the planet at such a speed from such strength would kill him. (Which would be a lot of times FTL that the reaction speed straight up doesn't save him) Not to mention the pocket dimension is located at your closet, so good luck with that.

Pretty valid points about Immeasurable LS argument ngl. However it probably gonna turn into inconclusive rather than a loss

Also I want to point out one more thing - humanity won't gather around so easily, they need to scatter around a lot of their soldiers, machinery and etc, since, you know, they are scattered around the world and we don't live in Pangea anymore. Basically, it would be much harder and take much longer to mobilize sufficient amount of power to even "surround" him

 

[AppleMaker]

Also one point about dimension - it's not a closet, it's the dimension that have SIZE of a closet. It's just his own pocket dimension, just a really small one

 

[Mythic381]

BFR the heavy hitters of humanity (aka, politicians, generals, soldiers with heavy weaponry and etc).

How does the BFR mechanic exactly work?

Also as was mentioned on profile - he can get 99% SoL Combat speed as well, not just reactions (aka, perception). Combat speed AFAIK translates to movement speed pretty well, but he can't RUN and TRAVEL at that speed and only limited to Subsonic+ in running speed (basically, he can dance at rel+ speeds, but can't run at such speed)

Combat speed and reaction speed are basically the same thing. Movement speed isn't really true, as when I say "movement" I'm referring to how fast you're running. You can't exactly escape a crowd via that, unless you're insanely agile.

How would they use nukes, if only people who had access to them are gone? Not to mention their strategy would suffer significantly from that

That's not actually true. The presidents are the only ones who authorize their use. In an obvious situation like that, they would do it.

The more people surrounds him - the worse it's for them, since they won't keep up with enormous amounts of cuts from cleaves and malevolent shrine, that could wipe out several projectiles, troops and machinery at the same time. The best case is if there would be people out of his range, rather if they just gather around him and attempt to fire at him at the same time.

That's why strategists and generals exist.

Not to mention that how tf would he get tired from thought spamming cleaves, if there aren't anything that could point out his mental abilities would suffer from his physical limitations?

He isn't exactly just going to stand in one place, you'll be forced to actually move.

However it probably gonna turn into inconclusive rather than a loss

I don't realistically think they're stupid enough to do that, knowing that they'd literally just die too.

Also I want to point out one more thing - humanity won't gather around so easily, they need to scatter around a lot of their soldiers, machinery and etc, since, you know, they are scattered around the world and we don't live in Pangea anymore. Basically, it would be much harder and take much longer to mobilize sufficient amount of power to even "surround" him

Armies exist for a reason. Seeing you dodging shit like bullets would make them realize it's a better to overwhelm you with numbers and also attack from far places. That's not mentioning normal people who would attempt to fight you.

AppleMaker starts in Australia

This alone is a disadvantage as you have to deal with 1-A Spiders.

 

[AppleMaker]

How does the BFR mechanic exactly work?

He just makes combination of 10 gestures (in his case it's just a "who put you on the planet?" dance) and teleports up to 10 people/things in one go anywhere he wants (most likely he's gonna teleport them into black hole or on the Sun surface)

Combat speed and reaction speed are basically the same thing. Movement speed isn't really true, as when I say "movement" I'm referring to how fast you're running. You can't exactly escape a crowd via that, unless you're insanely agile.

It was discussed in this matchup https://vsbattles.com/threads/playing-god-homelander-vs-tighten.188594/.
Basically reaction speed is perception and applies only to first few moves, while combat speed is basically how fast you can move your limbs or any other way of combat. I don't think he'd need to be actively running away from things he sees as stationary and can just spam cleaves and dismantles for a while, and just in case go into his pocket dimension to rest/retreat/disappear out of humanity's range and then combine it with time stop and teleport inside a bunker or any other building (since it's cold only outside) and continue dismantling all kinds of machinery and humanity's heavy hitters and then resume the time, for humanity to realize they lost a lot of their firepower out of nowhere. He's got plenty of options to counter humanity's numbers and firepower

That's not actually true. The presidents are the only ones who authorize their use. In an obvious situation like that, they would do it.

Okay. How many people have an access to nuclear weaponry, outside of presidents, their helpers and high ranking military officials?

That's why strategists and generals exist.

He isn't exactly just going to stand in one place, you'll be forced to actually move.

Once again - even with CH's help, they need some time to mobilize their firepower and armies to effectively surround/attack him. During that he could just BFR solid part of their arsenal and strategists and then use other his abilities to counter humanity's advantages

Armies exist for a reason. Seeing you dodging shit like bullets would make them realize it's a better to overwhelm you with numbers and also attack from far places. That's not mentioning normal people who would attempt to fight you.

He don't need to dodge bullets, he's immune to piercing damage and he'll just waste their ammo until humanity realizes they need to use something else (it won't be too long, but with rel+ speed humanity would definitely suffer noticeable losses)

This alone is a disadvantage as you have to deal with 1-A Spiders.

Might change it to some other place though. Just tried to use place that is unlikely to be nuked from the start

 

[Mythic381]

He just makes combination of 10 gestures (in his case it's just a "who put you on the planet?" dance) and teleports up to 10 people/things in one go anywhere he wants (most likely he's gonna teleport them into black hole or on the Sun surface)

I meant as in, do they have to be in his proximity, or literally any 10 people he thinks of are getting teleported?

Basically reaction speed is perception and applies only to first few moves, while combat speed is basically how fast you can move your limbs or any other way of combat. I don't think he'd need to be actively running away from things he sees as stationary and can just spam cleaves and dismantles for a while, and just in case go into his pocket dimension to rest/retreat/disappear out of humanity's range and then combine it with time stop and teleport inside a bunker or any other building (since it's cold only outside) and continue dismantling all kinds of machinery and humanity's heavy hitters and then resume the time, for humanity to realize they lost a lot of their firepower out of nowhere. He's got plenty of options to counter humanity's numbers and firepower

Reaction speed and combat speed are basically the same, as reaction speed would not only require you to perceive the motion, it would require you to block/dodge/duck, etc, which can be applied to any limb for you to attack too. He totally would need to run away if hundreds of thousands of people are circling around him. He also straight up wouldn't have good gear to survive Antarctica's temperature, so time stop wouldn't go well.

Okay. How many people have an access to nuclear weaponry, outside of presidents, their helpers and high ranking military officials?

He's not omniscient. He's not going to know all of them.

Once again - even with CH's help, they need some time to mobilize their firepower and armies to effectively surround/attack him. During that he could just BFR solid part of their arsenal and strategists and then use other his abilities to counter humanity's advantages

Same argument as above.

He don't need to dodge bullets, he's immune to piercing damage and he'll just waste their ammo until humanity realizes they need to use something else (it won't be too long, but with rel+ speed humanity would definitely suffer noticeable losses)

Rockets aren't "piercing damage."

 

[AppleMaker]

I meant as in, do they have to be in his proximity, or literally any 10 people he thinks of are getting teleported?

Literally any 10 people he thinks of are getting teleported

Reaction speed and combat speed are basically the same, as reaction speed would not only require you to perceive the motion, it would require you to block/dodge/duck, etc, which can be applied to any limb for you to attack too. He totally would need to run away if hundreds of thousands of people are circling around him. He also straight up wouldn't have good gear to survive Antarctica's temperature, so time stop wouldn't go well.

You kinda miss the point, in the thread this AppleMaker was based on was a really common loophole to that downside where those who took time stop just stayed indoors to avoid outside's cold. Even if we don't do that, I doubt it should affect his pocket dimension

He's not omniscient. He's not going to know all of them.

What stops him from thinking "I want to BFR people who have access to nuclear weapons" and then BFR them to sun?

Rockets aren't "piercing damage."

In previous argument you mentioned bullets, not rockets. I'm pretty sure humanity would try to take him out with regular firearms, realize than they don't work and attempt to use heavy weaponry like tanks, aircraft, artillery, nukes and etc. My point was that he'll buy himself some time with invilnerability to piercing damage, unless CH reaches to people in power from a get go

 

[Mythic381]

You kinda miss the point, in the thread this AppleMaker was based on was a really common loophole to that downside where those who took time stop just stayed indoors to avoid outside's cold. Even if we don't do that, I doubt it should affect his pocket dimension

He can't stay indoors if he's actively trying to kill people.

What stops him from thinking "I want to BFR people who have access to nuclear weapons" and then BFR them to sun?

Because that's a stupid and nonsensical way of having such an ability. Logic is that he can just stay in a deserted island, and just BFR people endlessly, or time-stop, stay indoors and do the same thing.

In previous argument you mentioned bullets, not rockets. I'm pretty sure humanity would try to take him out with regular firearms, realize than they don't work and attempt to use heavy weaponry like tanks, aircraft, artillery, nukes and etc. My point was that he'll buy himself some time with invilnerability to piercing damage, unless CH reaches to people in power from a get go

He has genius intellect. That would obviously be one of the first things he would think of.

 

[LostLightt]

R u scaling urself

 

[AppleMaker]

R u scaling urself

Yep, however this version is made to test one build I made in one F&G thread

 

[AppleMaker]

He can't stay indoors if he's actively trying to kill people.

He still could use BFR and do that untill everyone is gone. Not to mention he could steal a gear from some places to make such cold temperature somewhat bearable

Because that's a stupid and nonsensical way of having such an ability. Logic is that he can just stay in a deserted island, and just BFR people endlessly, or time-stop, stay indoors and do the same thing.

Which isn't a bad thing, thread he's based on basically encourages to seek loophoes and creative uses for such powers. Not to mention that you try to make an argument for Humanity, while trying to throw away wincon for other side, like this absolutely nullifies all your previous arguments for them and removes any possibility that AppleMaker will screw up, get outsmarted or lose in any other way for any other reason. The only problem this might not work that way is because it might be a NLF

He has genius intellect. That would obviously be one of the first things he would think of.

BFR might get in the way + Humanity might be somewhat hesitant to cooperate (but most likely CH would Social influence them easily)

 

[Rayfire]

Destroying/pushing Earth away from the Sun and entering pocket dimension, while humanity is dying

I'll try comment later but I find this argument particularly strange. Without bloodlust conditions you'd have to be one of the biggest psychopaths on the planet to seriously think about doing this.

 

[Mythic381]

He still could use BFR and do that untill everyone is gone. Not to mention he could steal a gear from some places to make such cold temperature somewhat bearable

You do realize that's just a stomp right?

Which isn't a bad thing, thread he's based on basically encourages to seek loophoes and creative uses for such powers. Not to mention that you try to make an argument for Humanity, while trying to throw away wincon for other side, like this absolutely nullifies all your previous arguments for them and removes any possibility that AppleMaker will screw up, get outsmarted or lose in any other way for any other reason. The only problem this might not work that way is because it might be a NLF

Because again, that's just a stomp.

 

[Mythic381]

Also the loophole in question for using time-stop was literally just "staying in-doors" to counter the temperature of Antarctica. There's genuinely nothing creative about that.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Human race FRA

 

[AppleMaker]

Human race FRA

Mythic kinda took his words back about their wincons, since AppleMaker have a time-stop humanity have no answer to and it made this matchup a stomp

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Then what is this:

Humanity and some random dude: 1 (@Mythic381)

But yeah I see, sad it's a stomp though

 

[AppleMaker]

Then what is this:

I have abandoned this match after that

You do realize that's just a stomp right?

Because again, that's just a stomp.