Pre-Time Skip Black clover speed updates

[Worthless]

but in the panel we see that they're flying already (look at the sides) when the slash is flying, and we are literally told they're being cast at the same time

You can create multiple spells at the same time, but not fired at the same time. We see this all the time especially with Swords of Conviction which usually stays stagnant at first before moving

in the scan you're linking (which I also did), you can clearly see that the Lightless Slash is ahead of them and is closer to Mereoleona

What’s stopping me from saying that Lightless Slash appearing slightly ahead of the other spells just means Mereoleona didn’t burn it at the same time as the other spells? Again that scene is too vague to say anything for certain but we have two characters one being Rhya himself the caster treating Swords of Conviction as faster.

At this point, this is no different from how we ignore blatant counter evidence back then leading to FTL scaling much earlier

Raia does not treat them as faster and my explanation works here, Asta is irrelevant here since he wasn't making any comparisons between the 2.

Yes he do. Your explanation doesn’t work here because he’s talking about the individual speed of the spells. He didn’t (at least directly) but it’s clear he associated Swords of Conviction with something insanely fast, yet not with Lightless Slash

You are also ignoring 2 other points in the op which were the main evidence.

Those are the off guard scenes Yami was talking about. It doesn’t matter if the visual doesn’t look that way. In this case, statement > visual because not everything you see is always accurately depicted

 

[ElJoaki5]

You can create multiple spells at the same time, but not fired at the same time. We see this all the time especially with Swords of Conviction which usually stays stagnant at first before moving

What’s stopping me from saying that Lightless Slash appearing slightly ahead of the other spells just means Mereoleona didn’t burn it at the same time as the other spells? Again that scene is too vague to say anything for certain but we have two characters one being Rhya himself the caster treating Swords of Conviction as faster.

At this point, this is no different from how we ignore blatant counter evidence back then leading to FTL scaling much earlier

Yes he do. Your explanation doesn’t work here because he’s talking about the individual speed of the spells. He didn’t (at least directly) but it’s clear he associated Swords of Conviction with something insanely fast, yet not with Lightless Slash

I went and looked at the anime for clarification on this scene and it seems pretty clear that lightless slash does outspeed the light swords so yeah this contention should just be dropped since it didnt even have much ground to begin with.

Those are the off guard scenes Yami was talking about. It doesn’t matter if the visual doesn’t look that way. In this case, statement > visual because not everything you see is always accurately depicted

You have no proof Rhya was offguarded there other than using an statement from a completely different scene. Rhya literally jumped in front of Yami, how is he gonna get offguarded by him attacking him? The fact that he managed to use light speed movement to move away already shows its not an offguard, he just failed to dodge it which shows the slash really is fast.

And it being an offguard wouldnt really change much. Raia moved at light speed and we are comparing the movement Yami made and also the one his slash made to the one Raia made to get a speed. Him being off guard or not is completely irrelevant to the things proposed.

 

[Mommyleona]

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well, I said my piece, so we can agree to disagree

 

[Mommyleona]

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Any thoughts on the rest of the thread?
DDM had already agreed, so it needs just 1 more vote and it didn't have any contentions either

 

[Worthless]

I went and looked at the anime for clarification on this scene and it seems pretty clear that lightless slash does outspeed the light swords so yeah this contention should just be dropped since it didnt even have much ground to begin with.

You just proved the idea that he fired it first. Also, that’s not accurate because Swords of Conviction don’t immediately go off like that.

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I'm not gonna repeat my self

 

[SomebodyData]

For what it is worth, I agree with the revisions at face value.

However, I feel like I'm missing context with the opposition's arguments. Could you guys perhaps offer a summary of the counterarguments with scans?

 

[ElJoaki5]

For what it is worth, I agree with the revisions at face value.

However, I feel like I'm missing context with the opposition's arguments. Could you guys perhaps offer a summary of the counterarguments with scans?

Btw just wanna note that the third part has had no opposition.

 

[Mommyleona]

For what it is worth, I agree with the revisions at face value.

However, I feel like I'm missing context with the opposition's arguments. Could you guys perhaps offer a summary of the counterarguments with scans?

Can I count your vote and apply the changes, since the opposition doesn't seem to respond?

 

[ElJoaki5]

@SomebodyData
Since you didnt explicitly say if we can, allow me to quickly ask if we may conclude the crt with your vote since its been going for a while now

 

[SomebodyData]

@SomebodyData
Since you didnt explicitly say if we can, allow me to quickly ask if we may conclude the crt with your vote since its been going for a while now

Yes

My bad

 

[Mommyleona]

Alright then, this can be closed, the changes to pages will be applied later when I'll get to reworking them (they're immensely outdated anyway)