Multiple selves in Tier 0?

[WarmestProduct]

Basically yes, a while ago Ultima made a tier 0 profile of god of the divine comedy (Obviously, it couldn't be added to the wiki since it was an exact copy of the Christian God) But this character is one being (meaning one essence/nature/substance), with one mind, one will and one set of operation, but this one being exists simultaneously as 3 distinct persons, each one with their own consciencess (referring to self-awareness). There is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The formal formulation (which I stole from the internet) would be like this: G(F) ∧ G(S) ∧ G(H) ∧ (F ≠ S) ∧ (F ≠ H) ∧ (S ≠ H) ∧ ∃!x G(x)

Not exactly what I meant. I actually thought something going like multiple minds and wills but same set of operations. Basically you have one mind who can do all the possibilities, and another mind who also the same, but these two are not two distinct individuals, as they are inside one essence, one body, but their minds are still two.

 

[TheTenno07]

Not exactly what I meant. I actually thought something going like multiple minds and wills but same set of operations. Basically you have one mind who can do all the possibilities, and another mind who also the same, but these two are not two distinct individuals, as they are inside one essence, one body, but their minds are still two.

Then I'd say no, you can have a tier 0 with multiple minds by this definition, you'll end with 2 beings and therefore no tier 0

 

[Shar122]

Not exactly what I meant. I actually thought something going like multiple minds and wills but same set of operations. Basically you have one mind who can do all the possibilities, and another mind who also the same, but these two are not two distinct individuals, as they are inside one essence, one body, but their minds are still two.

This entails division still, Tier 0s are indivisible.

 

[WarmestProduct]

This entails division still, Tier 0s are indivisible.

Except that the multiple already in the first place, due to the beyond infinity essence.

 

[WarmestProduct]

Then I'd say no, you can have a tier 0 with multiple minds by this definition, you'll end with 2 beings and therefore no tier 0

You don't have two beings seperately materially, as there are only one beyond infinite singular essence.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Then I'd say no, you can have a tier 0 with multiple minds by this definition, you'll end with 2 beings and therefore no tier 0

You can have two minds within a Tier 0. It's why (at least in some philosophies) all three viewpoints of the Abrahamic God are Tier 0. Be it Allah from Islam or a Trinitarian view of God.

The key point is if at a conceptual level are the minds two different things or the same thing. Them being two separate things is what disqualifies Tier 0, not them both being Tier 0 on their own.

 

[WarmestProduct]

You can have two minds within a Tier 0. It's why (at least in some philosophies) all three viewpoints of the Abrahamic God are Tier 0. Be it Allah from Islam or a Trinitarian view of God.

The key point is if at a conceptual level are the minds two different things or the same thing. Them being two separate things is what disqualifies Tier 0, not them both being Tier 0 on their own.

Basically what I'm saying here is that you have multiple minds and wills inside one Tier 0 essence, no matter how these minds conflict each other, neither of them will win, as conflictions is already meaningless.

 

[TheTenno07]

You can have two minds within a Tier 0. It's why (at least in some philosophies) all three viewpoints of the Abrahamic God are Tier 0. Be it Allah from Islam or a Trinitarian view of God.

The key point is if at a conceptual level are the minds two different things or the same thing. Them being two separate things is what disqualifies Tier 0, not them both being Tier 0 on their own.

Weird, what I have been taught is that referring to divine persons as distinct minds is heretical and incorrect because it leads to polytheism, It is strictly said that they refer to consciousnesses (in the sense of self-awareness) instead of minds, since mind is not a property of a person but of the being.
Maybe you're using another source perhaps?

 

[WarmestProduct]

Weird, what I have been taught is that referring to divine persons as distinct minds is heretical and incorrect because it leads to polytheism, It is strictly said that they refer to consciousnesses (in the sense of self-awareness) instead of minds, since mind is not a property of a person but of the being.
Maybe you're using another source perhaps?

The division of minds or consciousness is not the same as the division of materials.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Weird, what I have been taught is that referring to divine persons as distinct minds is heretical and incorrect because it leads to polytheism, It is strictly said that they refer to consciousnesses (in the sense of self-awareness) instead of minds, since mind is not a property of a person but of the being.

That's my point. In the Trinity The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit aren't distinct minds as they all exhibit Homoousios and are fundamentally the same thing. They're alternate expressions of the same thing, but they're still the same thing. Having separate things is what disqualifies you from Tier 0, not multiple of the same being.

 

[TheTenno07]

That's my point. In the Trinity The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit aren't distinct minds as they all exhibit Homoousios and are fundamentally the same thing. They're alternate expressions of the same thing, but they're still the same thing. Having separate things is what disqualifies you from Tier 0, not multiple of the same being.

I misunderstood what you meant then, my bad

 

[WarmestProduct]

That's my point. In the Trinity The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit aren't distinct minds as they all exhibit Homoousios and are fundamentally the same thing. They're alternate expressions of the same thing, but they're still the same thing. Having separate things is what disqualifies you from Tier 0, not multiple of the same being.

Well actually I'm thinking a multiple of selves in inside one body/material type thing, and there is no original self that own the body/material in the first place, as the body/material is equally belong to all of them.