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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc
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I don't know if anyone has talked about this yet, but Fennel is a character who brings a lot of weird stuff to the verse:
1. Save files are canon.
2. Munna/Musharna has reality warping that turns dreams into reality.
3. Through this, Fennel created C-Gear, a technology that supposedly transformed several dream worlds into real universes.
4. The main character receives a C-Gear, so would he have reality warping and dimensional travel through it?
1. Save files are canon.
2. Munna/Musharna has reality warping that turns dreams into reality.
3. Through this, Fennel created C-Gear, a technology that supposedly transformed several dream worlds into real universes.
4. The main character receives a C-Gear, so would he have reality warping and dimensional travel through it?
Fennel/Quotes
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Honestly, kinda scaryI don't know if anyone has talked about this yet, but Fennel is a character who brings a lot of weird stuff to the verse:
1. Save files are canon.
2. Munna/Musharna has reality warping that turns dreams into reality.
3. Through this, Fennel created C-Gear, a technology that supposedly transformed several dream worlds into real universes.
4. The main character receives a C-Gear, so would he have reality warping and dimensional travel through it?
Fennel/Quotes
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Yes, especially since it comes from a tertiary character. I only realized that because I started replaying Black/White today.
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So, what are Save Files diegetically according to this? She says she'll collect them [Save Files], seemingly as a way to study Pokemon dreams & further the development of the C-Gear so that more kinds of Pokemon can have dreams through Game Sync?I don't know if anyone has talked about this yet, but Fennel is a character who brings a lot of weird stuff to the verse:
1. Save files are canon.
2. Munna/Musharna has reality warping that turns dreams into reality.
3. Through this, Fennel created C-Gear, a technology that supposedly transformed several dream worlds into real universes.
4. The main character receives a C-Gear, so would he have reality warping and dimensional travel through it?
Fennel/Quotes
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Feel like the concept of calling it 'save files' are just a way to directly help the kids that play the game understand by using actual terms. Its like NPCs mentioning console buttons or saying 'Press B-' to do something for example
Dont really know what the implication for it would be. Think its just synonymous with the trainers 'memory' in canon? Or what their pokemon remembers
Dont really know what the implication for it would be. Think its just synonymous with the trainers 'memory' in canon? Or what their pokemon remembers
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Because of the scaling shifting around constantly nobody has bothered updating the trainer profiles besides a few.
Like, with how the current scaling is accepted, Ash should be 3-C to High 3-A normally.
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So the he got downgraded from 1-C?
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Nah I mean like his Low 5-B should be 3-C to High 3-A since Alain fought 50% Zygarde and such. It's just all heavily outdated.
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So, Champions is gettin released tomorrow.
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AURA FARMING LEAGUE ! MATCH 10: ZYGARDE VS AKAINU (WEEK 2)
`Pokemon vs One Piece From the balance of nature itself… when order is threatened, it awakens. Not out of anger… but necessity. A force that exists to correct the world… no matter the cost. Calm. Absolute. Inevitable. The guardian of equilibrium… Zygarde. And across it… A man who turned...
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Ok, I think I found a way to scale the Gen 9 Legendaries to 3-C, possibly High 3-A.
So, basically, you can catch legendary Pokemon from other generations after completing the Indigo Disk. This includes Zekrom, Reshiram, Solgaleo, Lunala, and Necrozma. All these scale to 3-C, possibly High 3-A. This would make anything you fight after that point in the game also 3-C, possibly High 3-A
Unfortunately, by then, you have already completed all the legendary/mythical Pokemon battles... except one: Pecharunt.
Luckily, it is confirmed in the promotional teaser for Mochi Madness that Ogerpon was able to fight and defeat Pecharunt, scaling it (and the Loyal Three) to Pecharunt.
Given that the Player fights Terapagos after defeating Ogerpon (with Kieran even reacting if Ogerpon is used against him), Terapagos should also scale.
As Koraidon/Miraidon can tank a hit from Stellar Terapagos, they should also scale to it. This covers all the legendaries in Gen 9 (and all the trainers after The Way Home), except the Treasures of Ruin, I guess, although the manga implies Miraidon is needed to unseal them somehow, so we'll see how that plays out.
As for the Teal Mask leveling thing, I propose we use the post-The Way Home leveling, as it is the most internally consistent.
So, basically, you can catch legendary Pokemon from other generations after completing the Indigo Disk. This includes Zekrom, Reshiram, Solgaleo, Lunala, and Necrozma. All these scale to 3-C, possibly High 3-A. This would make anything you fight after that point in the game also 3-C, possibly High 3-A
Unfortunately, by then, you have already completed all the legendary/mythical Pokemon battles... except one: Pecharunt.
Luckily, it is confirmed in the promotional teaser for Mochi Madness that Ogerpon was able to fight and defeat Pecharunt, scaling it (and the Loyal Three) to Pecharunt.
Given that the Player fights Terapagos after defeating Ogerpon (with Kieran even reacting if Ogerpon is used against him), Terapagos should also scale.
As Koraidon/Miraidon can tank a hit from Stellar Terapagos, they should also scale to it. This covers all the legendaries in Gen 9 (and all the trainers after The Way Home), except the Treasures of Ruin, I guess, although the manga implies Miraidon is needed to unseal them somehow, so we'll see how that plays out.
As for the Teal Mask leveling thing, I propose we use the post-The Way Home leveling, as it is the most internally consistent.
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Cross scaling legendaries in particular is currently controversial which puts most of those guys ratings into question with no proof that Pecharunt is necessarily after them canonically we probably shouldn't scale, keeping the raidons as the pinnacle of the scaling. Anyway could we scale the Paradox Pokemon to living in an ecosystem with the raidons or to possibly killing a Pokemon World Human in a single blow according to the old books.
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It would still be strange to have S/V peak at High 6-A in a game that has tier 3 and possibly even tier 1 Pokemon you can fight (Palkia and Dialga were available in Tera Raids)
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Yeah, that's why I didn't include them in my initial scaling post.
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Aren't they already trained, making the fight unusable?
CanineAnnoyer
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I suppose so. This still happens even if you never added Koraidon/Miraidon to your party or box and kept it in its low power form, but i'm not sure if that counts as it not being trained.
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Still travelled with you and don't you use it to fight Turo?
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Only thing it would actually fight is another one of its own species, and it was weakened for most of the main story, only regaining its normal power at the last fight when it once again can battle.
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Idk man, we can argue the same for basically any story legendary that you can add to your party.
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My main assumption for this feat was that since it was in a cutscene and did not require you to actually ever add the legendary to your party, it was different. I'm somewhat new to Pokemon scaling though, so it may be a mistake.
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Pokemon: Infinity and gimmicks
This is a 2 part revision, in fact, I wanna start with the shortest and most understandable part. PART 1: TO INFINITY I want to remove the 3-C from 3-C, possibly High 3-A and make the character full on High 3-A. There are a few reasons. 1. Universes are stated to be infinite. "This Pokémon...
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AURA FARMING LEAGUE ! MATCH 11 : ZYGARDE VS CHRIS REDFIELD (WEEK 3)
Pokemon vs Resident Evil From the balance of the world itself… when order begins to fall apart… it awakens. Silent. Absolute. Every action… restoring what must be. Not emotion… not judgment… just necessity. The guardian of equilibrium… Zygarde. And across him… A man who kept standing… no...
ZYGARDE GOES 100% ! AND FIGHTS CHRIS REDFIELD !
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AURA FARMING LEAGUE! MATCH 5: KRATOS VS ZYGARDE (WEEK 4)
God of War vs Pokemon From a life carved by gods and consequences… stands a man who turned rage into control. Heavy. Unyielding. Every step… carries the weight of wars already won. Power forged through loss… not given. The ghost who became a god… Kratos. And across him… From the balance of...
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So this scales to all third stage Pokemon? Including ones that can get tagged by Solar Beam?
Pokémon: Pinsir Intercepts Solar Beam
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Literally accepted and all. Idk why we don't use it.
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Everyone can get tagged by solar beam one way or another, same way they can block it. You can very much get tagged by things slower than you.
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Games have no feats beyond pokedex entries lmao. The whole point of the current system is for secondary media to support the main media if the main media lacks some part of scaling.
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Closest thing I can think of at the top of my head is like Mirror Shot or Flash, though idk if either of them qualify for actual lightspeed on the site (Mirror Shot probably doesn’t after double-checking).
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Maybe Pokemon just isnt FTL on average then. Theres gotta be something in all those mainline games otherwise. Stuff like the anime and manga just fundamentally go by their own rules and interpretations
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One could say that for literally everything in pokemon because, again, GAMES HAVE NO FEATS beyond like a few visual AP feats and Legendary stuff.
If you want a game feat then there's already the fact that attacks like Solar Beam can be dodged by Pokemon in the games but it isn't visually represented, it is stated. In the modern games a text can come up that says the Pokemon dodged the attack.
The whole point of the anime is to take what we see in the games and apply it in how it would look, shit's so interchangeable the anime literally introduced several new Pokemon well before the games (and invented Lugia) (and leaks say another will be introduced in the anime). Not using anime feats would be a grave mistake.
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Can't you dodge solar beam in ZA?
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Most notably actually making certain legendary mons kaijus and many mons in general larger unlike the games where according to the dex, hundreds of real life athletes could lift Wailord with moderate difficulty and I can look down on Charizard.
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This is just misinformed. The legendary heights is just visual inconsistency, I think it was somewhere in the Tera Leak that they made them look bigger for coolness effect. In Journeys we see a normal sized Groudon and Kyogre (also in SM).
Then there's the size for normal Pokemon and....have you not been there for the past few gens?? You can literally own different-sized Pokemon, not to mention the existence of the alpha/totem Pokemon. Pokemon just grow large at times.
