Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Sus]

Virtual mass isn't the same as Imaginary Mass

actually they are the same in the original japanese

 

[AthelChan]

rate this cover

 

[Udlmaster]

actually they are the same in the original japanese

That's because Japanese uses the same characters (Kasō: 仮想) for Virtual, Imaginary & simulated.

And given the story describes it different, treats it different, applies it different and never makes mention that they're a similar technique (to my knowledge), I think it's fair to say that they're not the same as the other guy is implying.

I also doubly made sure that it was using that version by going and finding the raw scan where she says:

"自らに仮想の質量を付与する"

And you'll notice Kasō is used here. As such, it's a context-dependent word.

 

[Sus]

That's because Japanese uses the same characters (Kasō: 仮想) for Virtual, Imaginary & simulated.

And given the story describes it different, treats it different, applies it different and never makes mention that they're a similar technique (to my knowledge), I think it's fair to say that they're not the same as the other guy is implying.

I also doubly made sure that it was using that version by going and finding the raw scan where she says:

"自らに仮想の質量を付与する"

And you'll notice Kasō is used here. As such, it's a context-dependent word.

so yuki punches with the force of hollow purple

goated fr

 

[Sus]

whats the top 5 female characters for yall? strength wise

 

[Udlmaster]

so yuki punches with the force of hollow purple

goated fr

Ofc, Gojo is a fraud clearly and Yuki is the strongest.

Casual punches = Hollow Purple

 

[Sus]

Ofc, Gojo is a fraud clearly and Yuki is the strongest.

Casual punches = Hollow Purple

yuki kaisen

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Strongest JJK woman for a reason. Some fraud like Maki can't relate.

 

[Sus]

Strongest JJK woman for a reason

arguable

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

arguable

Who is contending?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Who is contending?

My Queen Yorozu

 

[Sus]

Who is contending?

yoruzo, she is faster and more durable, and her sure hit insta kills

we don't know about yukis domain tho it might overpower yoruzo

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

My Queen Yorozu

So Yorozu cooks Yuta????

 

[Sus]

So Yorozu cooks Yuta????

different techniques

yoruzo does outstat yuta tho

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

yoruzo, she is faster and more durable, and her sure hit insta kills

we don't know about yukis domain tho it might overpower yoruzo

Well I think Yuki with Garuda kick can break her armour but speed I guess I agree she is likely faster

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

whats the top 5 female characters for yall? strength wise

1. Bug Armor Yorozu
2. Yuki (Even with Yorozu Speed advantage, one clean hit is all it takes and Yuki has RCT while Yorozu seemingly doesn't [Mappa will give Yorozu it, trust])
3. Base Yorozu
4. Maki
5. Uro

 

[Zabazab]

Strongest JJK woman for a reason.

You forgot Yuta!

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

whats the top 5 female characters for yall? strength wise

Overall win percentage
Yuki
Yorozu
Uro
Yuta
Maki

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

So Yorozu cooks Yuta????

CG Yuta gets sent to Shoko from Yorozu (though, ngl, she has no domain feats. then again, neither does at the time of the culling games. his domain refinement feat from the Shinjuku Showdown is on profile but we know gojo made Yuta significantly better with barriers so idk). She has output on par with the strongest of the heian era, had a scuffle with 16F sukuna, blocked a strike from a 16F sukuna with Creation, killed multiple Uro level people with her big armor, and put paced, drew blood, and bruised 16F sukuna
Shinjuku Slams cuz of jacobs ladder

 

[Sus]

1. Bug Armor Yorozu
2. Yuki (Even with Yorozu Speed advantage, one clean hit is all it takes and Yuki has RCT while Yorozu seemingly doesn't [Mappa will give Yorozu it, trust])
3. Base Yorozu
4. Maki
5. Uro

uraume?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

uraume?

IMO, Uro feels like a bad counter to them, especially since they don't got domain.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Put angel on 5th spot on my list I guess.

 

[Sus]

at least we all agree yuki and yoruzo cook maki

 

[Udlmaster]

whats the top 5 female characters for yall? strength wise

Probably OG Rika (she counts, right?), Geto was sure if he got her he would be able to beat Gojo with it and Gojo even says he'd risk his life to defeat Rika if she ever went on a rampage.

So probably her, I don't see any other woman in the series having even a slight chance against Gojo let alone having a 99% chance.

Also, she can just steal anyone's technique she fights against and has WAY more Cursed energy.

 

[Sus]

Probably OG Rika (she counts, right?), Geto was sure if he got her he would be able to beat Gojo with it and Gojo even says he'd risk his life to defeat Rika if she ever went on a rampage.

So probably her, I don't see any other woman in the series having even a slight chance against Gojo let alone having a 99% chance.

thats due to her copy technique which id say is fair

but wasnt her unconditional copy retconned anyway

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

at least we all agree yuki and yoruzo cook maki

maki when she has to fight base Yorozu

 

[Sus]

maki when she gets her spine shattered by yuki

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

maki when she gets her spine shattered by yuki

Shattered spine? man, her torso's coming clean of from one strong Yuki punch

 

[Udlmaster]

thats due to her copy technique which id say is fair

but wasnt her unconditional copy retconned anyway

Naw, there's two different Rika isn't there.

OG Rika was Rika Orimoto cursed to live as a vengeful spirit by Yuta.

The Rika that shows up now is the cursed energy left behind by Rika for Yuta to use, so she's much weaker. Now she has all sorts of Restrictions on her like the 5 min limit and having to eat someone's unregenerated flesh to retain a technique.

 

[Sus]

ok but serious question why cant she just punch at like, 6A or 5C if her limit is higher

 

[Sus]

Naw, there's two different Rika isn't there.

OG Rika was Rika Orimoto cursed to live as a vengeful spirit by Yuta.

The Rika that shows up now is the cursed energy left behind by Rika for Yuta to use, so she's much weaker. Now she has all sorts of Restrictions on her like the 5 min limit and having to eat someone's unregenerated flesh to retain a technique.

yeah i know that but i thought 0 rika still had to eat flesh

if her copy is truly unconditional then yeah thats top 1 female

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

yee, rika copy in 0 was unconditional as she copied inumaki without eating his arm

 

[Sus]

yee, rika copy in 0 was unconditional as she copied inumaki without eating his arm

ik but like i thought it was retconned and the only added limit was the 5 mins

 

[Zabazab]

Kenjaku called it unconditional during Shibuya.

 

[Sus]

rika becoming a shikigami is kinda ass ngl i personally prefer if yuta kept a limited amount of techniques in his brain with no time limit like kenjaku

 

[Mommyleona]

yuki when ssk and dura neg slashes along with precog and stealth

 

[Udlmaster]

ok but serious question why cant she just punch at like, 6A or 5C if her limit is higher

Real question, and she maybe can? Tegen could contain the Black Hole and she says she's not a Fighter, and that isn't even considered to be the highest output in the series.

Ryu Ishigori is said to have the highest cursed energy output out of anyone in the Colonies and that includes Kenjaku who was a part of the Culling Games and he was able to overpower Yuki's black hole with his anti-gravity technique when he surpassed the limit on the technique's out by using his body as a Domain

So maybe Domains do let people get into those higher tiers?

 

[Sus]

ryo's statement does not in any mean include yuki..

 

[Udlmaster]

ryo's statement does not in any mean include yuki..

It doesn't mean Yuki. She wasn't in the Culling Games... but Kenjaku was. And he overpowered Yuki's black hole with his Anti-Gravity technique.

I even just checked the Raws in Japanese and he says:

"I used my own body as a Domain to enhance the output and duration of the technique, which is normally difficult to control. It was a gamble, but it worked." (Or something to that effect, I don't speak Japanese, just using some translators, so results may vary)

Which means he's countering Yuki's Black Hole with his own Cursed energy output with the Anti-Gravity technique.

 

[BiggestOpp]

That's because Japanese uses the same characters (Kasō: 仮想) for Virtual, Imaginary & simulated.

And given the story describes it different, treats it different, applies it different and never makes mention that they're a similar technique (to my knowledge), I think it's fair to say that they're not the same as the other guy is implying.

I also doubly made sure that it was using that version by going and finding the raw scan where she says:

"自らに仮想の質量を付与する"

And you'll notice Kasō is used here. As such, it's a context-dependent word.

You can’t say something is context dependent and not explain why the context depicts something different. We’ve seen the usage of the kanji imply a certain thing (Yuki) so explain why Gojo’s use case is different