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(Staff Only) Regarding Non-Physical Interaction and Intangibility/Incorporeality Part 2
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I mean, sorta yeah, theyre two different states of matter
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Since Zeldris brought it up, would we actually need a metaphysical intangibility section? Or would it be better to just do an eventual rework of the incorporeality/abstract existence pages?
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Also man, looking through our pages for examples, im finding an overwhelming number of pages without any intangibility types listed...
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So how soon can we get the rest of the staff back here? This has been long overdue (my fault I know) and the problem is worse than I originally realized with the state of how we're currently cataloguing intangibility on the profiles
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Yaall i know i stalled on this one but come on...
Yaall i know i stalled on this one but come on...
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What are the staff conclusions and consensus here so far?
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Thats what im trying to figure out too, but no one is responding : /What are the staff conclusions and consensus here so far?
Would you be able to ping them again?
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What are the staff conclusions and consensus here so far?
@Vietthai96 @DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69 @Damage3245 @FinePoint
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I forgot to comment on this, but I recall DontTalkDT sharing an article confirming fire as a plasma.
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Gotcha, ive updated the sandbox
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My opinion was/is that we should essentially leave the nuance of NPI to the context of a particular case rather than making any rule which dictates whether one type implies another or so on.
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Agreed
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Assume you are still keeping this, i feel like this Type isn't even Intangiblity. Because Intangibility is literally passing through physical substance, so if character are still having solid physical characteristics and can be interacted by physical means then it is totally defeat the point of intangibility
Type 2 and Type 3 should be merged into a single Type (Semi Liquid to Liquid)
Type 4 Gas and 5 Aerosol should also be merged into a single type cause they are similar
This save space for the page
Type 6 is oke from a glance
Type 7 should be Matter which encompasses from Atomic to even Quantum
Type 8 Energy is oke from a glance
Type 9 should be removed. Immaterial encompasses a lot of thing that are completely lack material existence, from simply being incorporeal to even nonexistent, abstract
Physical Intangibility section is oke from a glance but again like the above, Immaterial should be removed as well. Spatial type could be changed into Dimensional, there are probably some character who can phase through temporal shifting or even spatio-temporal
Metaphysical should be changed into Immaterial, which will encompasses all true non-physical intangbility types, ranging from simply being incorporeal (soul, spirit, ghost stuff) to crazier thing like nonexistent physiology, abstract existence
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That makes sense to me.
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Thats the point, elemental intangibility is not true intangibility, I even made sure to specify this on the updated page. Its not intangibility in the sense that they move through matter, just that their physical forms are dispersed by attacks. Thats why its 'elemental'
We should not be trying to have less accurate standards in the name of 'saving space'. I included those types because they are not the same thing. This is a major reason why this revision was even made in the first place, because the original elemental intangibility page was far too nonspecific in regards to the types of elemental states that exist.
Technically they all fall under the 'quantum particles' category so i switched it to that and added quarks
Hard no on this, shadow-based intangibility is an extremely prevalent power across fiction. Its immaterial in name alone, there is no such thing being nonexistent or abstract elementally as those are not elements.
I think youre getting confused here, this is not dealing with incorporeality, abstraction, or nonexistence, this is purely physical intangibility. Those things are being revised in a separate thread after this.
Done
Removed that outright, i'll deal with that in another thread
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Since this thread does not seem to progress anywhere, should we follow FinePoint's conclusion and close this thread?
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The thing is that would only apply to the different types of physical NPI, Elemental intangibility would still have a hierarchy, as would the hierarchy stuff that zeldris brought up for metaphysical intangibilitySince this thread does not seem to progress anywhere, should we follow FinePoint's conclusion and close this thread?
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Hhmm, i'm not exactly agree with it since they are mostly physical and get physically affected but whatever
I already grouped them in a way that they are similar enough to be grouped, especially stuff like Gas and Aerosol are very similar
And it definitely not making thing less accurate, those issues on this site is mostly do not come from the P&A page, they are just guideline, the issues is how profile are indexed and how the justification of ability is wrote, no matter how "accurate" our page is, it is pointless if the profiles themselves aren't accurate
Immaterial physical = non-physical, so it completely go against your definition of physical intangibility, your very category itself
Physical Intangibility is you are still physical but can phase through things which is described by your other two types, Monecular and Dimensional. Immaterial mean you are, by definitionz your nature is a non-physical being
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But the thing is similar =/= the same. An aerosol is something like a cloud of dust in the air, whereas a gas is the air itself. Aerosols are still particles suspended in the air, gas is not.
Thats the thing though, once this is done i'll be organizing and revising all of the profiles that have intangibility so they are accurate.
Okay, how would you categorize stuff like ghosts/spirits then? Things that lack physical matter but still exist?
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Just drop those stuff into other categories, like making a Non-Physical Intangibility
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...so just change 'immaterial' to 'non-physical'?
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I will check later when i have time (hope), you still need to ask other staff opinion though, it isn't like my only vote allows you to applies the thread, this is site-wide revision, Admin vote is needed
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Immaterial
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So wait am i having it be immaterial intangibility or non-physical intangibility?
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Non-physical
Meaning wise they both are the same though we already have Immaterial elemental so let not repeating words
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I don't think you need to bump this frequent. But overall, i think your current sandbox is oke
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Considering nobody is responding, I feel like i need to at this point
Been trying to get this done for months and its backing up dozens of other CRTs i need to do
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