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"Hypertimeline" standard revision for the Tiering System FAQ

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Alright. But additionally, our standards should probably specify that to prove the existence of a hypertimeline, it should be demonstrated that the two "time trees" are separated by a temporal axis rather than any other sort of separation, right? As I, Astral_Trinity439, and Agnaa have pointed out, there are many cases where "time travel to another version of a timeline" is simply time travel backwards along a shared temporal axis in conjunction with spatial travel along an insignificant spatial axis, and the FAQ should make it clear that such a scenario wouldn't qualify.
All the staff members who responded do not seem to agree with the thread's premise. However, I believe that the diagram @Qawsedf234 created to illustrate the type of time travel that proves the existence of a second temporal dimension should be added as elaboration to clear up any misconceptions in future.
I would agree, but shouldn't we also specify that the two branching timelines must also specifically be separated by a temporal axis? The diagram on its own doesn't make that clear, which is a big problem because, as has been pointed out earlier in the thread, there are cases in which time travel between different versions of timelines occurs, but the timelines are separated by a spatial axis (which is assumed to be insignificant unless proven otherwise) rather than a temporal axis. This might be better:
validforhypertimeline.webp

I would also edit the "time travel" section to explain this:
["...Aside from direct statements, the easiest way to confirm that the line is comprised of uncountably infinitely many points/"snapshots" is to show that the development of the timelines is time-like. I.e. typically one would want a statement indicating that the alteration of the timelines is subject to its own flow of time, or that timelines are separated from each other by an additional temporal dimension through which a special form of time travel may be used to reach other versions of that timeline. The most important part is that the timelines are separated from each other by a temporal axis, as this implies that the initial version of the timeline is merely one "snapshot" out of a continuous, uncountably infinite flow of "snapshots." Note that cases in which the timelines are separated by a spatial axis or cannot be demonstrated to have an additional temporal axis separating them would not qualify, and that such statements can be considered contradicted if the fiction specifies that new versions of the timeline, i.e. additional snapshots, are only created when the timeline is altered or similar..."]

Would this change be acceptable?
 
The clarification is helpful and works but I will just mention it so it doesn't cause any issues in near future, that it doesn't change our core qualifications. time travel to previous iterations of the timestream as a whole remains proof of an additional temporal axis in the verse.
 
The clarification is helpful and works but I will just mention it so it doesn't cause any issues in near future, that it doesn't change our core qualifications. time travel to previous iterations of the timestream as a whole remains proof of an additional temporal axis in the verse.
Sure, but even in a case where there's no shared origin from which multiple, similar timestreams branch from, we shouldn't assume that those timestreams are "previous iterations of the timestream" rather than simply similar timestreams that are spatially separated. The source material should make it clear that they're actually "past" or "previous" versions of the same timestream or something of that sort rather than similar timestreams that are spatially separated. Right?
 
That is correct yes.
Alright, that sounds very good.

But there are also two final things I also want to add which I hope aren't controversial, as they are simply clarifications that don't change our standards (If you want though, I could make a separate thread for them after we get the clarification you and Qawsedf agreed on applied to the FAQ):

Additional change 1: I propose that we also clarify that reverting the actual snapshot itself to a "previous" state would not count unless both the current state and previous state coexist as snapshots. For example, let's say we have a timestream initially does not have any branches, but then a cataclysmic event "fractures" it into many branches, and the "whole version" of the timestream no longer exists. After that, the whole timestream is magically "healed" to a state where it is no longer branching, and the "fractured version" no longer exists. In this model, since the "hyperpast" and "hyperfuture" "snapshots" of the timestream do not exist, there is only one snapshot of the timestream (the "hyperpresent" one) that exists, which obviously doesn't qualify. This could be called a "presentist" model of hypertime (my proposed addition is bolded and would be added at the end of this paragraph):
Of particular consideration are instances in which timelines as a whole are changed, such that there is a timeline (or multiple timelines) before they were changed and after they were changed or created / destroyed. As the timelines as a whole are changed, the before and after in this context can't be the past and future the timelines usually use, but should be a separate direction. Note that the timelines both before and after the change must coexist to qualify. Otherwise, only one snapshot would exist, which obviously does not come anywhere near the required uncountably infinite quantity of timelines.
Now of course, just to clarify, if you can actually travel between these temporally-separated timestreams, that would in fact prove that they coexist/are equally real. This clarification is more for a case where a timeline is "healed" or "reset" through magic or something, where the coexistence of the pre-change and post-change versions of the timestream is not implied.

Additional change 2: I also think we should add the part that I also proposed in the OP where we explain that "hypertimelines" are just spacetime continuums with more than one temporal dimension:

Q: What is a "hypertimeline"?​



A: Further utilizing the terminology of “snapshots”, a “hypertimeline” is a “timeline” whose “snapshots” are themselves entire timelines. This would, in turn, entail that this "hypertimeline" contains uncountably many timelines within itself.

Note however that this precisely matches the description provided above of a “spacetime continuum with two time axes, instead of just one.” They are exactly the same thing. As such, to prove the existence of a hypertimeline in a particular verse’s cosmology, one must follow the exact same standards as one would to show that said cosmology has additional temporal dimension(s); that is, one must either cite a direct statement that the cosmology has additional temporal dimension(s) or otherwise demonstrate that the development of at least one timeline (it may not necessarily be a timeline; any collection of universal 3D "snapshots" that are uncountably infinite in number would qualify) is subject to its own continuous and persistent flow of time, meaning that, in the same way that each of the timeline's own "snapshots" is subject to the timeline's flow of time, the timeline itself exists as a "snapshot" on a continuous interval of "snapshots" coexisting (as opposed to a model resembling presentism where only one "snapshot" exists).]
 
Can somebody summarise what is being suggested here, and which staff members who think what about it, please? 🙏
 
Can somebody summarise what is being suggested here, and which staff members who think what about it, please? 🙏
The OP is now proposing that we clarify & elaborate on the standards for identifying second temporal dimension through the application of time travel to past iterations of the entire timestream (not changing the standard but just clarifying it). Furthermore, they wish to explain the mechanics of a hyper-timeline using a regular timeline analogy where 3D 'snapshots' are equivalent to a single timestream, and the timeline spanning those 3D snapshots is equivalent to a hypertimeline spanning the entire timestream as its own set of snapshots.

Qawsedf gave his agreement on the initial part of the clarification but didn't give an opinion on the second part, which was proposed afterward. No other staff has yet have said anything about clarification part besides Qawsedf anc myself.
 
Thank you, but I am still not certain what is being suggested here. Is this about planar time in which different timelines constantly intermingle into each other back and forth? 🙏
 
Basically we currengly follow this Model to determine the existence of Hypertimeline via timetravel (timetraveling to past iteration/ of entire timestream where timestream itself is a single snapshot).

What OP is saying is that FAQ does not currently elaborate on this model. He claims that some upgrades are being proposed based on this model where separate branch of regular timeline is being mistaken for the 'past iterations' of entire timeline, rather than bsing true past iterations of it within Hypertime. He wishes for the FAQ to clarify that this specific model should strictly be used to determine a second temporal axis only if it is achieved via time travel, rather than dimensional travel. Furthermore, he wants us to specify that if an entire timestream is changed, such as being reversed to a past version by a Low 1-C range time manipulation, it only qualifies for a second temporal dimension if both versions (before and after the change) co-exist simultaneously within a Hypertime.
 
Yes, that is accurate. And of course, situations like Agnaa pointed out where said "time travel" is
just time travel being used, and ending up in a timeline with some different events. Which could be to another branch of a split timeline (as shown in the OP), or simply to a different timeline in the multiverse.
would not count. The "special time travel" has to specifically be shown to indicate that the time being traveled across is a temporal axis separating the two timeline iterations, not simply time travel along a shared axis accompanied by dimensional travel. If someone "time travels" and ends up in a different or even similar timestream, this is not sufficient proof of a hypertimeline by itself.
Furthermore, he wants us to specify that if an entire timestream is changed, such as being reversed to a past version by a Low 1-C range time manipulation, it only qualifies for a second temporal dimension if both versions (before and after the change) co-exist simultaneously within a Hypertime.
Actually, to be honest I missed something. Even if the before and after coexist, that's still not quite enough. If they are branching timelines, that doesn't count. Additionally, "If new versions of timelines are only created if they are changed, due to time travel for example, then the number of "snapshots" of the timeline would be far more limited" which means it doesn't count.
 
Let me go over all of the changes that I am proposing (hopefully) one last time, with the altered/added text in the first two changes being bolded:
Change 1: This paragraph would be replaced with this edited version:
Aside from direct statements, the easiest way to confirm that the line is comprised of uncountably infinitely many points/"snapshots" is to show that the development of the timelines is time-like. I.e. typically one would want a statement indicating that the alteration of the timelines is subject to its own flow of time, or that timelines are separated from each other by an additional temporal dimension through which a special form of time travel may be used to reach other versions of that timeline. The most important part is that the timelines are separated from each other by an additional temporal axis, as this implies that the initial version of the timeline is merely one "snapshot" out of a continuous, uncountably infinite flow of "snapshots." Note that cases in which the timelines are separated by a spatial axis, are merely branching timelines, or otherwise cannot be demonstrated to have an additional temporal axis separating them would not qualify, and that such statements can be considered contradicted if the fiction specifies that new versions of the timeline, i.e. additional snapshots, are only created when the timeline is altered or similar.
Change 2: N/A. I forgot that I already addressed scenarios where the "before" and "after" versions do not coexist in Change 3, so this change is not necessary:
Of particular consideration are instances in which timelines as a whole are changed, such that there is a timeline (or multiple timelines) before they were changed and after they were changed or created / destroyed. As the timelines as a whole are changed, the before and after in this context can't be the past and future the timelines usually use, but should be a separate direction. Note that the timelines both before and after the change must coexist to qualify. Otherwise, only one snapshot would exist, which obviously does not come anywhere near the required uncountably infinite quantity of timelines.
Change 3: Below the answer to this question, this Q&A section would be inserted:

Q: What is a "hypertimeline"?​



A: Further utilizing the terminology of “snapshots”, a “hypertimeline” is a “timeline” whose “snapshots” are themselves entire timelines. This would, in turn, entail that this "hypertimeline" contains uncountably many timelines within itself.

Please note, however, that this precisely matches the description provided above of a “spacetime continuum with two time axes, instead of just one.” They are exactly the same thing. As such, to prove the existence of a hypertimeline in a particular verse’s cosmology, one must follow the exact same standards as one would to show that said cosmology has additional temporal dimension(s); that is, one must either cite a direct statement that the cosmology has additional temporal dimension(s) or otherwise demonstrate that the development of at least one timeline (it may not necessarily be a timeline; any collection of universal 3D "snapshots" that are uncountably infinite in number would qualify) is subject to its own continuous and persistent flow of time, meaning that, in the same way that each of the timeline's own "snapshots" is subject to the timeline's flow of time, the timeline itself exists as a "snapshot" on a continuous interval of "snapshots" that coexist (as opposed to a model resembling presentism where only one "snapshot" exists).
And this is my sandbox for the relevant sections.
 
Input on the new proposed draft would be appreciated.
The proposal for section one would need its image changed to a fandom link so we don't have to worry about it being removed later.

For the second, the wording doesn't work imo because it fails to properly address what a Hyper Timeline is and mentions Presentism, which is more temporality in general than about a time axis
A: A "hyper timeline" refers to a cosmology structure that contains two or more perpendicular time axis. Similar to geometric dimensions, having two perpendicular axis indicates that the cosmology must have a "higher" level of time that can fit the opposing time axis, for the same reason why a geometric "X" line and a geometric "Y" line would require a two-dimensional plane to properly catalogue their interaction. Instead of a direction of movement, however, a temporal axis is the temporal element of the cosmology, which is the "snapshots" that capture all the states that the cosmology can exist in. By having two axis, there must be an even higher-dimensional container, as every axis would add an uncountable infinite element to the cosmology, as there must be an uncountable infinite number of snapshots to an already uncountable infinite number of snapshots.

So, for a typical universe, it is a 3-A or three-dimensional structure of significant size multiplied by an uncountable infinite number of times through its time axis, making the space-time of the cosmology Low 2-C to fit all the possible universal elements (3D+1). By having a second axis going in a perpendicular direction, this requires the space-time of the cosmology to have a fifth-dimensional axis to capture the "snapshots" that generate a fourth-dimensional axis (3D+2). More time axis would add an additional total axis with the overall cosmology. Additionally, while a three-dimensional structure is used as an example, this can also work with higher-dimensional structures. So a sixth-dimensional structure with three temporal axis (6D+3) would require a nine-dimensional super space of infinite size to contain all the snapshots generated by the space-time continuum.
The presentism would have to be covered in a third FAQ or something:
Q: How are timelines treated on the wiki?

A: There are broadly speaking three schools of thought regarding time: Eternalism, Presentism, and the Growing Block theory of time. Eternalism is the philosophy that the "past", "present", and "future" all coexist and extend infinitely. Presentism is the philosophy that the "past" and "future" aren't real, as they either have happened or have not happened yet, and the Growing Block philosophy is that the "past" and "present" are real but the future has not happened yet. Per the Universe Page, VSBW treats all franchises as defaulting to Eternalism, so there's an infinite series of temporal snapshots that extend into the past and into the future. However, if a franchise does not follow Eternalism but another temporal philosophy, it will be tiered that way. In such cases, as there's no evidence for an uncountable infinite number of temporal snapshots, those universes would not default to Low 2-C unless they have explicit evidence for a fourth-dimensional axis of significant size.
 
The proposal for section one would need its image changed to a fandom link so we don't have to worry about it being removed later.
OK.
For the second, the wording doesn't work imo because it fails to properly address what a Hyper Timeline is
I'd have to disagree. The Tiering System already explains the whole concept behind a hypertimeline here, so explaining it again would just be redundant. The point of my proposed Q&A section is to explain that a "hypertimeline" isn't some nebulous idea of a timeline that encompasses other timelines (which could just be a 2-C multiverse) that you can use as a shortcut to upgrade a verse to a higher tier, it's the exact same thing that is described here. That is, it's a timeline that encompasses other timelines specifically since it has an extra dimension of time, which results in the timeline containing uncountably many timelines.
and mentions Presentism, which is more temporality in general than about a time axis

The presentism would have to be covered in a third FAQ or something:
Of course. And I never said it's the exact same thing as presentism, that's why I said "a model representing presentism." Would it be alright to keep that part if we also put the third FAQ addition to make it less confusing? We could probably insert it between Q&As 2 and 3 (ie right after this).
 
I'd have to disagree. The Tiering System already explains the whole concept behind a hypertimeline here, so explaining it again would just be redundant.
I was suggesting we remove that part from the temporal section. Though I guess just keeping it as it currently exists is fine.
Of course. And I never said it's the exact same thing as presentism, that's why I said "a model representing presentism." Would it be alright to keep that part if we also put the third FAQ addition to make it less confusing? We could probably insert it between Q&As 2 and 3 (ie right after this).
Fine with me
 
Okay. Thank you for helping out. 🙏
 
I am fine with the suggested changes. They are nothing more than elaboration/clarifications anyways.
Can you list the currently-accepted changes in bullet-points? Because it's all over the place RN. I'll tag some staff to take a look once you're done.
 
Can you list the currently-accepted changes in bullet-points? Because it's all over the place RN. I'll tag some staff to take a look once you're done.
Basically OP intends FAQ to elaborate upon which cases does qualify as Hypertimeline and which cases won't by proposing the following new section:

Q: What is a "hypertimeline"?​



A: Further utilizing the terminology of “snapshots”, a “hypertimeline” is a “timeline” whose “snapshots” are themselves entire timelines. This would, in turn, entail that this "hypertimeline" contains uncountably many timelines within itself.

Please note, however, that this precisely matches the description provided above of a “spacetime continuum with two time axes, instead of just one.” They are exactly the same thing. As such, to prove the existence of a hypertimeline in a particular verse’s cosmology, one must follow the exact same standards as one would to show that said cosmology has additional temporal dimension(s); that is, one must either cite a direct statement that the cosmology has additional temporal dimension(s) or otherwise demonstrate that the development of at least one timeline (it may not necessarily be a timeline; any collection of universal 3D "snapshots" that are uncountably infinite in number would qualify) is subject to its own continuous and persistent flow of time, meaning that, in the same way that each of the timeline's own "snapshots" is subject to the timeline's flow of time, the timeline itself exists as a "snapshot" on a continuous interval of "snapshots" that coexist (as opposed to a model resembling presentism where only one "snapshot" exists).

And for that reason again, he intends to replace this paragraph with this edited version:
Aside from direct statements, the easiest way to confirm that the line is comprised of uncountably infinitely many points/"snapshots" is to show that the development of the timelines is time-like. I.e. typically one would want a statement indicating that the alteration of the timelines is subject to its own flow of time, or that timelines are separated from each other by an additional temporal dimension through which a special form of time travel may be used to reach other versions of that timeline. The most important part is that the timelines are separated from each other by an additional temporal axis, as this implies that the initial version of the timeline is merely one "snapshot" out of a continuous, uncountably infinite flow of "snapshots." Note that cases in which the timelines are separated by a spatial axis, are merely branching timelines, or otherwise cannot be demonstrated to have an additional temporal axis separating them would not qualify, and that such statements can be considered contradicted if the fiction specifies that new versions of the timeline, i.e. additional snapshots, are only created when the timeline is altered or similar.

Overall, basically this sandbox.

Then @Qawsedf234 also proposed a new section which intends to explain how timeline are treated on wiki (explains presentism and talks about our default standard regarding it) here:
Q: How are timelines treated on the wiki?

A: There are broadly speaking three schools of thought regarding time: Eternalism, Presentism, and the Growing Block theory of time. Eternalism is the philosophy that the "past", "present", and "future" all coexist and extend infinitely. Presentism is the philosophy that the "past" and "future" aren't real, as they either have happened or have not happened yet, and the Growing Block philosophy is that the "past" and "present" are real but the future has not happened yet. Per the Universe Page, VSBW treats all franchises as defaulting to Eternalism, so there's an infinite series of temporal snapshots that extend into the past and into the future. However, if a franchise does not follow Eternalism but another temporal philosophy, it will be tiered that way. In such cases, as there's no evidence for an uncountable infinite number of temporal snapshots, those universes would not default to Low 2-C unless they have explicit evidence for a fourth-dimensional axis of significant size.

@Qawsedf234 seems to have agreed with these conclusions but he can correct me if i got him wrong somewhere.
 
Qawsedf234's suggestion seems good to me. 🙏
 
Thank you for helping out. 🙏❤️
 
New FAQ between "When are higher dimensions valid, then?" and "How do temporal dimensions impact tiering?"

Q: How are timelines used on the wiki?​




A: There are broadly speaking three schools of thought regarding time: Eternalism, Presentism, and the Growing Block theory of time. Eternalism is the philosophy that the "past", "present", and "future" all coexist and extend infinitely. Presentism is the philosophy that the "past" and "future" aren't real, as they either have happened or have not happened yet, and the Growing Block philosophy is that the "past" and "present" are real, but the future has not happened yet. Per the Universe Page, VSBW treats all franchises as defaulting to Eternalism, so there's an infinite series of temporal snapshots that extend into the past and into the future, each containing the entire universe; granting an uncountable infinite number of snapshots of that particular space for the entire space-time continuum. However, if a franchise does not follow Eternalism but another temporal philosophy, it will be tiered that way. In such cases, greater examination is needed regarding cosmology. Without an infinite timestream, there's no longer an uncountable infinite number of temporal snapshots, which means that universes would not default to Low 2-C unless they have explicit evidence for a fourth-dimensional axis of significant size.
FAQ Edit of "How do temporal dimensions impact tiering"

Q: What is a "hyper timeline" and how do temporal dimensions impact tiering?​

A: The relationship between the spatial dimensions of a universe and the additional temporal dimension(s) may be visualized as something akin to the frames of a movie placed side-by-side. Basically, the time-like direction may be thought of as a line comprised of uncountably infinitely many points, each of which is a static "snapshot" of the whole universe at any given moment, with the set of all such events comprising the totality of spacetime. In that vein, a "hyper timeline" refers to a cosmological structure that contains two or more perpendicular time axis. By having two perpendicular axis the cosmology must have a "higher" level of time that can fit the crossing time axis, for the same reason why a geometric "X" line and a geometric "Y" line would require a two-dimensional plane to properly catalogue their interaction. Instead of a direction of movement, however, a temporal axis is the temporal element of the cosmology, which is the "snapshots" along the line that captures all the states in which the cosmology can exist in. By having two axis, there must be an even higher-dimensional container, as every axis would add an uncountable infinite element to the cosmology, as there must be an uncountable infinite number of snapshots to an already uncountable infinite number of snapshots.

So, for a typical universe, it is a 3-A or three-dimensional structure of significant size collected as an uncountable infinite number of static snapshots through its time axis, making the space-time of the cosmology Low 2-C to fit all the possible universe iterations (3D+1). By having a second axis going in a perpendicular direction, this requires the space-time of the cosmology to have a fifth-dimensional axis to capture the "snapshots" that generate a fourth-dimensional axis (3D+2). More time axis would add an additional total axis with the overall cosmology. Additionally, while a three-dimensional structure is used as an example, this can also work with higher-dimensional structures. So a sixth-dimensional structure with three temporal axis (6D+3) would require a nine-dimensional space of infinite size to contain all the snapshots generated by the space-time continuum.

Outside of explanations which state that multiple time dimensions exist, it is difficult to show that a work of fiction has more than one. The key point that has to be established is that there is a kind of time that flows in a different direction than the past or the future or any of the spatial directions.

Things like timelines having time that passes at different rates would not qualify, as even the theory of general relativity already establishes that with just one regular time dimension time can flow at different rates in different places. Time flowing backwards in another universe would also not qualify it to have an additional time dimension, as it would still use the same directions of past and future as regular time, just with events playing out in reverse. For the same reasons, statements about independent time streams or of separate kinds of time, which could flow parallel to the original time, would not qualify.

Dimensions that are timeless voids or are described as beyond spacetime in general would also not qualify. Unless they contradict themselves, these realms should not have a time dimension at all, with change in them happening according to other principles. If they, on the other hand, do contradict themselves, the statement of them not having regular time would inherently not be reliable, making the idea equally unusable.

Of particular consideration are instances in which timelines as a whole are changed, such that there is a timeline (or multiple timelines) before they were changed and after they were changed or created/destroyed. As the timelines as a whole are changed, the before and after in this context can't be the past and future the timelines usually use, but should be a separate direction.

However, caution is necessary. As explained above, we require that the additional time dimension is "a line comprised of uncountably infinitely many points." If new versions of timelines are only created if they are changed through singular action, such as time travel for example, then the number of "snapshots" of the timeline would be far more limited. The amount of snapshots would be one more than the number of times the timeline was changed. So, for example, if the timeline is rewritten 2 times, there would be 3 snapshots of the timeline: the original, the timeline after the first rewrite, and the timeline after the second rewrite. Which is far less than the required uncountably infinitely many that a higher temporal axis requires.

Aside from direct statements, the easiest way to confirm that the line is comprised of uncountably infinitely many points/"snapshots" is to show that the development of the timelines is time-like. I.e. typically one would want a statement indicating that the alteration of the timelines is subject to its own flow of time, or that timelines are separated from each other by an additional temporal dimension through which a special form of time travel may be used to reach other versions of that timeline. The most important part is that the timelines are separated from each other by an additional temporal axis, as this implies that the initial version of the timeline is merely one "snapshot" out of a continuous, uncountably infinite flow of "snapshots." Note that cases in which the timelines are separated by a spatial axis, are merely branching timelines, or otherwise cannot be demonstrated to have an additional temporal axis separating them would not qualify, and that such statements can be considered contradicted if the fiction specifies that new versions of the timeline, i.e. additional snapshots, are only created when the timeline is altered or similar.

One other pitfall to consider is the case of branching timelines, where one can return to a past with fewer timelines by just going back to a point in the regular past that was before the split happened. In such cases one has to decide based on context if that is meant or if a prior version where the splits also didn't exist in the regular future is meant. The former case doesn't qualify for an additional time dimension, while the latter might if it meets the other outlined criteria.
 
New FAQ between "When are higher dimensions valid, then?" and "How do temporal dimensions impact tiering?"

FAQ Edit of "How do temporal dimensions impact tiering"
Is there really a need to coin the term "hyper timeline"? It seems like the only time the term comes up is to define what the term means. So it doesn't aid us in explaining the idea.
I would prefer to keep the official use of made-up buzzwords to a practical minimum, so unless the term finds greater use on our instruction pages and saves us work by having it predefined, I would just like to leave it out.
(It's also kinda a misnomer, since by having multiple time axis, it's not a timeline, but a timeplane or a timevolume.)


But aside of that, the rewrite seems to capture the existing ideas well. I approve (y)
 
(It's also kinda a misnomer, since by having multiple time axis, it's not a timeline, but a timeplane or a timevolume.)
Cube Time page when

Anyways

Q: How do temporal dimensions impact tiering?​

A: The relationship between the spatial dimensions of a universe and the additional temporal dimension(s) may be visualized as something akin to the frames of a movie placed side-by-side. Basically, the time-like direction may be thought of as a line comprised of uncountably infinitely many points, each of which is a static "snapshot" of the whole universe at any given moment, with the set of all such events comprising the totality of spacetime. But, a cosmological structure can contain two or more perpendicular time axis, rather than just a singular time axis. By having two perpendicular axis the cosmology must have a "higher" level of time that can fit the crossing time axis, for the same reason why a geometric "X" line and a geometric "Y" line would require a two-dimensional plane to catalogue their interaction properly. Instead of a direction of movement, however, a temporal axis is the temporal element of the cosmology, which is the "snapshots" along the line that captures all the states in which the cosmology can exist in. By having two axis, there must be an even higher-dimensional container, as every axis would add an uncountable infinite element to the cosmology, as there must be an uncountable infinite number of snapshots to an already uncountable infinite number of snapshots.

So, for a typical universe, it is a 3-A or three-dimensional structure of significant size collected as an uncountable infinite number of static snapshots through its time axis, making the space-time of the cosmology Low 2-C to fit all the possible universe iterations (3D+1). By having a second axis going in a perpendicular direction, this requires the space-time of the cosmology to have a fifth-dimensional axis to capture the "snapshots" that generate a fourth-dimensional axis (3D+2). More time axis would add an additional total axis with the overall cosmology. Additionally, while a three-dimensional structure is used as an example, this can also work with higher-dimensional structures. So a sixth-dimensional structure with three temporal axis (6D+3) would require a nine-dimensional space of infinite size to contain all the snapshots generated by the space-time continuum.

Outside of explanations which state that multiple time dimensions exist, it is difficult to show that a work of fiction has more than one. The key point that has to be established is that there is a kind of time that flows in a different direction than the past or the future or any of the spatial directions.

Things like timelines having time that passes at different rates would not qualify, as even the theory of general relativity already establishes that with just one regular time dimension time can flow at different rates in different places. Time flowing backwards in another universe would also not qualify it to have an additional time dimension, as it would still use the same directions of past and future as regular time, just with events playing out in reverse. For the same reasons, statements about independent time streams or of separate kinds of time, which could flow parallel to the original time, would not qualify.

Dimensions that are timeless voids or are described as beyond spacetime in general would also not qualify. Unless they contradict themselves, these realms should not have a time dimension at all, with change in them happening according to other principles. If they, on the other hand, do contradict themselves, the statement of them not having regular time would inherently not be reliable, making the idea equally unusable.

Of particular consideration are instances in which timelines as a whole are changed, such that there is a timeline (or multiple timelines) before they were changed and after they were changed or created/destroyed. As the timelines as a whole are changed, the before and after in this context can't be the past and future the timelines usually use, but should be a separate direction.

However, caution is necessary. As explained above, we require that the additional time dimension is "a line comprised of uncountably infinitely many points." If new versions of timelines are only created if they are changed through singular action, such as time travel for example, then the number of "snapshots" of the timeline would be far more limited. The amount of snapshots would be one more than the number of times the timeline was changed. So, for example, if the timeline is rewritten 2 times, there would be 3 snapshots of the timeline: the original, the timeline after the first rewrite, and the timeline after the second rewrite. Which is far less than the required uncountably infinitely many that a higher temporal axis requires.

Aside from direct statements, the easiest way to confirm that the line is comprised of uncountably infinitely many points/"snapshots" is to show that the development of the timelines is time-like. I.e. typically one would want a statement indicating that the alteration of the timelines is subject to its own flow of time, or that timelines are separated from each other by an additional temporal dimension through which a special form of time travel may be used to reach other versions of that timeline. The most important part is that the timelines are separated from each other by an additional temporal axis, as this implies that the initial version of the timeline is merely one "snapshot" out of a continuous, uncountably infinite flow of "snapshots." Note that cases in which the timelines are separated by a spatial axis, are merely branching timelines, or otherwise cannot be demonstrated to have an additional temporal axis separating them would not qualify, and that such statements can be considered contradicted if the fiction specifies that new versions of the timeline, i.e. additional snapshots, are only created when the timeline is altered or similar.

One other pitfall to consider is the case of branching timelines, where one can return to a past with fewer timelines by just going back to a point in the regular past that was before the split happened. In such cases one has to decide based on context if that is meant or if a prior version where the splits also didn't exist in the regular future is meant. The former case doesn't qualify for an additional time dimension, while the latter might if it meets the other outlined criteria.
 
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