battle cats feat discussion thread

[Acertainbcplayer]

regarding explanation and traits
you should include that the traits are part of lore and description affecting the life and story of the cats.
iirc there were cats who are annoyed for being branded as floating or red in some cases etc or considered floating despite not really flying all the time

Right... How did I forget Owlbrow? Ceberus kids too, smh...

Anyways, thanks for the input, I think the page MIGHT be fully completed now, could you check everything and see if I'm missing anything?

The Battle Cats explanation page

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Cosmology page is next... Man, that would be quite a pain to do, do we even need cosmology page?
Anyways, we now need to prepare most important profiles that could be used as a base to scale most cats/enemies, as well as creating sandbox and fix all of the outdated ones, then crt for Zero Legend and stuff (especially the high ranking sages) and finally a verse page. Then a Mega CRT will come to add all of those in, and boom verse revived.

Also, do you know any lore in TBC that mentions area attack and such as a part of the lore? I mean we already have TBC manga, but an in-game lore would be cool.

Treasure section need more works... Also from now on, I think we should link anything BC wiki-related using the miraheze one.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

It is finally done... Biggest thing I've ever worked on

The Battle Cats explanation page

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Only 1 thing left... I noticed that we're separating the Zero World with the Sages and all that, but I thought Zero Legends happens in the Zero World? I mean Low 1-A Sages seems kinda like a wank considering we still have stuff like Dr.Nova guiding the cats to "another dimension" and high ranking Sages being on a "far higher dimension", clearly still have the dimensional meta here... Well those also depends on what "dimension" means here anyways...

All of these just for all of it to be revealed that the cats are not actually in the Zero World at the start to begin with... unlikely though.

Anyways, I got sages to High 1-C (depending on if what I'm using was right or not) and possibly 1-B. I could add an argument for Low 1-A in the CRT though

 

[LightSoul8]

It is finally done... Biggest thing I've ever worked on

You might want to add these two details, just to be safe:

•Starred Aliens' Teleportation via Spatial Manipulation would just be Portal Creation.

Also, regenerating from melting (aside from a skull) would be Low-High Regen with a note that their skulls don't regenerate.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

You might want to add these two details, just to be safe:

Added, also read the high tier scaling section and see if it's valid, I just invented a new meta for Gaia which comfortably get Zero World to 7-D

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Making high rank sages profiles

Acertainbcplayer/sandbox

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Edit: Finally done with Nyuton too, waiting for his english name... Use the same format as mine for the cats, as well as using this links for the verse-specific powers when making profiles: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...er/The_Battle_Cats_explanation_page#Abilities

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

I'm making the almighties profiles (Mainly to support the god tiers like the sages), so if anyone wants to make profile, letting you know to not overlap each other. Also if anyone needs profile pic for characters but doesn't know how to make one, just ask me, I can do quick work out of them with BCU.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Also Chronos might give TBC the Acausality Type 5 meta, currently this is her profile, take a look:

Acertainbcplayer/sandbox

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Also, I finally finished the reasonings for top tiers of the verse, see if it's flawed or could be further refined or not:

The Battle Cats explanation page

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@LightSoul8 you should check this out

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

The current situation of the whole cosmology is basically this:

Page here:

Battle Cats overall cosmology

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Does parallel worlds exists in TBC again?

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Made a general cat abilities and resistances for an easier time, check them out and see if I'm missing anything:

The Battle Cats explanation page

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[Acertainbcplayer]

All essential Almighties done (well which means Hades and Lucifer is still not in here yet), @LightSoul8 might wanna see this.

Almighties

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Might make Odin's profile soon though

Currently scaling long range backliners to Dethtroy-R's range (which is up to the Horizon or 5km)

 

[LightSoul8]

All essential Almighties done (well which means Hades and Lucifer is still not in here yet), @LightSoul8 might wanna see this.

Almighties

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Might make Odin's profile soon though

Currently scaling long range backliners to Dethtroy-R's range (which is up to the Horizon or 5km)

Looks good at first glance, but why are Bride/Wedding Chronos and Empress Chronos in separate profiles? They're different Units, sure, but they're the same person. Having two profiles for the same character feels redundant. Also, Chronos's Telekinesis via holding her mirror would be Weapon Control.

Also, I'll try to make a General Cat abilities blog soon.

 

[LightSoul8]

Looks good at first glance, but why are Bride/Wedding Chronos and Empress Chronos in separate profiles? They're different Units, sure, but they're the same person. Having two profiles for the same character feels redundant. Also, Chronos's Telekinesis via holding her mirror would be Weapon Control.

Also, I'll try to make a General Cat abilities blog soon.

Didn't see that you had made a list of abilities in your blog, but I've mostly finished mine, so you can add the links and whatnot to yours if you'd like, or you can remove your abilities section and just have mine. Either way works for me.

General Cat Unit abilities (The Battle Cats)

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[Acertainbcplayer]

Looks good at first glance, but why are Bride/Wedding Chronos and Empress Chronos in separate profiles? They're different Units, sure, but they're the same person. Having two profiles for the same character feels redundant. Also, Chronos's Telekinesis via holding her mirror would be Weapon Control.

Also, I'll try to make a General Cat abilities blog soon.

Well, wedding Chronos is for the slow category (mainly the time manip one). Made Nyuton so had to make her too, that'll be the only seasonal Uber I make for now.
Also

Didn't see that you had made a list of abilities in your blog, but I've mostly finished mine, so you can add the links and whatnot to yours if you'd like, or you can remove your abilities section and just have mine. Either way works for me.

General Cat Unit abilities (The Battle Cats)

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This one, for the resistances I got better scans and stuff (and better heat resistance for the cats) so use this instead:

=== Resistances ===
'''Resistance''' to [[Fire Manipulation|'''Extreme heat/Fire manipulation''']] ('''[https://lco.global/spacebook/cosmology/early-universe/#:~:text=The temperature of the universe,at about 10^9 Kelvin. 10^9 K]''' up to '''[https://lco.global/spacebook/cosmology/early-universe/#:~:text=The temperature of the universe,at about 10^9 Kelvin. 10^32 K]''' for fighting [https://imgbox.com/KfLHeAvJ at the center] of the [https://battlecats.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Big_Bang_(Cats_of_the_Cosmos) Big Bang])

'''Resistance''' to [[Gravity Manipulation|'''Gravity Manipulation''']] (Fought in the [https://imgbox.com/mVSoyYUW accretion disk] of a literal [https://battlecats.miraheze.org/wiki/Black_Hole_(Cats_of_the_Cosmos) Black Hole])

Also you could remove Inorganic Physiology since it's varies between units, and Immortality too since I elaborated on it here already, which I think is better than just a simple line. Also it's type 8, not 7 (which is for undead instead).

As Space Survival has Resistance to Radiation Manipulation as one of the abilities, you could use this combine with yours instead, it gives the best feat of space survival for the cats:
Space Survival (All abilities at the maximum, the cats fought in the Big Bang and a Black Hole)

Should note that "most cats cannot swim" is actually just the basic round cats, and the dry up is just about stamina so it's not needed, should include it in the stamina section of shown cats in there.

Well, one more thing, Higher-Dimensional Manipulation should be Limited instead. For being able to navigate the Zero World (not traveling to it, since that's thanks to dr.Nova), they are already granted Higher Dimensional Existence in this page already

That's about it, everything else is neat

@LightSoul8 Do you think the cosmology scaling page is cool enough? Anything that's too iffy?

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Bullet Train's High 6-C got accepted btw

 

[LightSoul8]

@LightSoul8 Do you think the cosmology scaling page is cool enough? Anything that's too iffy?

Yeah, it's good.

Bullet Train's High 6-C got accepted btw

Pogchamp

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Basically, this is the current progress of the verse:
1: No verse page yet (Will make it soon)
2: All essential units for scaling are made (except for the apex of the verse being Izanagi and Izanami), including:
The Almighties (all essential ones)
Gravi (for speed)
Bullet Train (for high-tier speed and AP scaling)
Deth-Troy-R (For range scaling)
The high-ranking Sages (for top tier scaling)
3: Zero Legend key for units aren't added yet (I'll add it soon enough).

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

@LightSoul8 Since the General cat unit abilities page are too small (normally it's a physiology page instead), I think I could move some of the missing ones that yours have into the explanation page and we could be done with it, you cool with that?

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Aight, so for now we got:
1: General cat unit's Immortality: Will be using this link "The_Battle_Cats_explanation_page#Money,_Cat_base_and_gacha"
2: General Cat Abilities/Resistances: Will be using this link "The_Battle_Cats_explanation_page#General_Cat_Abilities_and_Resistances"

That's for the power and abilities section pretty much done. The verse is ever closer to a proper CRT

 

[LightSoul8]

@LightSoul8 Since the General cat unit abilities page are too small (normally it's a physiology page instead), I think I could move some of the missing ones that yours have into the explanation page and we could be done with it, you cool with that?

Yeah, that's fine.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

@LightSoul8 aight, since I'll be making Izanagi and Izanami's profile next, I think I'll need your input on their hax. Man, their description doesn't give them much to go by...

 

[LightSoul8]

@LightSoul8 aight, since I'll be making Izanagi and Izanami's profile next, I think I'll need your input on their hax. Man, their description doesn't give them much to go by...

Izanagi:
•Damage Boost (Deals extra damage to red, black, floating, Aku, Relic, Alien, and Zombie enemies.)
•Immunity to Time Stop (Freeze), Limited Energy Projection (Waves), and Power Nullification and Curse Manipulation (Curse)
•Subjective Reality (Can manifest the dead's desires and wills. Can grant strong wishes form.)
•>Summoning (Via Conjuring.)
•Immortality (Type 1: Is "a being of the beginning" that is "the prelude to all that ever was".)
•Dimensional Travel and Possibly Higher-Dimensional Existence ("Descended from a higher plane", or "superdimension". Can travel between Hell and the living world.)

Izanami:
•All previous abilities, plus:
•Damage Boost (Has a 20% chance to land a Savage Blow.)

I took abilities from both English and Japanese descriptions.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

•Dimensional Travel and Possibly Higher-Dimensional Existence ("Descended from a higher plane", or "superdimension". Can travel between Hell and the living world.)

Not really "possibly" when it's outright stated tbh, he automatically qualifies for that just like any other cats that travels the Zero World.

As Izanagi is the prelude to all that ever was, I think giving him Creation at least would be good enough (that and he's a creator god). Izanami on the other hand is too vague sadly...

Good that they have immunity to time stop, that automatically enhances this rating:
"granting them Immeasurable Speed and Acausality Type 5 for the same reason as the Sages."

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

@LightSoul8 Also an extremely important thing. As you can see the Acausality type 5 above, that is solely from Chronos who controls all time and from that she was stated to transcends all causality with the divine timepiece. Now the question here is: Should every other units who transcended time be qualified for Type 5 or just Type 4?

 

[LightSoul8]

@LightSoul8 Also an extremely important thing. As you can see the Acausality type 5 above, that is solely from Chronos who controls all time and from that she was stated to transcends all causality with the divine timepiece. Now the question here is: Should every other units who transcended time be qualified for Type 5 or just Type 4?

Probably just type 4. Most type 5 Acausals can't even be interacted with due to their nature, and I could see others having issue with even Chronos having type 5 (since she's still affected by the cause-and-effect interaction of get hit enough = dying), but I'm personally neutral. I'd go with type 4 to be safe.

Actually, wouldn't transcending time grant type 1 Acausality as well, and maybe even type 2?

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Probably just type 4. Most type 5 Acausals can't even be interacted with due to their nature, and I could see others having issue with even Chronos having type 5 (since she's still affected by the cause-and-effect interaction of get hit enough = dying), but I'm personally neutral. I'd go with type 4 to be safe.

Well we could argue that Chronos being hit is just gameplay (since well, how would a god of time that freely manipulates causality even lose HP and die?), and also obviously, the Type 5 applies only to her clock, not until she gains the Fruit of Creation. For other cats, they only gain Acausality type 5 after having transcended time (so that means beings on the same level could still affect them due to having type 5 also).

Actually, wouldn't transcending time grant type 1 Acausality as well, and maybe even type 2?

Nah, above time means that there is no "present" anymore I think, so Type 1 and 2 is not it. Type 4 is most suitable.

Eh, we'll see what the mods has to say, changing these stuff ain't that hard. I think I should just include this into general cat abilities for Zero World for now.

Edit: It is Type 4 (I asked mods), that's settled then

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Aight, since the whole Zero World scaling is still iffy, I think we make a crt with these available before adding Zero World key to all cats:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Acertainbcplayer/sandbox (The sages obviously, Izanagi and Izanami too, and Gravi of course)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Acertainbcplayer/Almighties (because of Gaia)

Battle Cats overall cosmology

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The Battle Cats explanation page

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What do you think @LightSoul8 ? Are we missing any concrete thing? I'm ready for a CRT anytime now, so this is the last chance for opinions.

 

[LightSoul8]

Aight, since the whole Zero World scaling is still iffy, I think we make a crt with these available before adding Zero World key to all cats:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Acertainbcplayer/sandbox (The sages obviously, Izanagi and Izanami too, and Gravi of course)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Acertainbcplayer/Almighties (because of Gaia)

Battle Cats overall cosmology

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The Battle Cats explanation page

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What do you think @LightSoul8 ? Are we missing any concrete thing? I'm ready for a CRT anytime now, so this is the last chance for opinions.

Finally read through your entire Sandbox, and here are the changes I would make:

•Soractes can be affected by Toxic, so he's not immune to poison.

•Soractes needs Inorganic Physiology (Type 1 since all Units have souls) in his Abilities Key.

•What does "superior than Time Manipulation" mean in Soractes and Nyuton's profiles.

•Units' Strengthens are Statistics Amplification.

•Units' Mini Waves and Waves are Energy Projection and/or Explosion Manipulation.

•Units' Slows are Statistics Reduction.

•Units' Sage Slayers, Massive Damage, and Insane Damage are Damage Boost.

•Units' Resistants to traits are Passive Damage Reduction.

•Units' Barrier Breakers are Forcefield Negation.

•Units' Conjures are Summoning.

•Gravolo is missing a Resistances Key.

•You can just say that Gravi upscales from Bullet Train Cat via being an Uber Rare Unit.

•Express Cat's Cyborgization is Inorganic Physiology.

•General Cat Units' Immortality does not need to be listed since it is covered by General Cat Units' abilities.

•Maglev and Bullet Train Cat need Resistances Keys.

•Units' Zombie Killers are Immortality Negation (Types 2, 3, 4, and 7.)

•Deth-Troy-R's Immunity to Status Effect Inducement is actually Immunity to Statistics Reduction.

•Obliterator Diabolosa's Resistance to Paralysis Inducement is also Resistance to Time Stop.

•Mighty Deth-Troy-R's Powers and Abilities Tabber is missing Siege Walker Diabolosa's Abilities and Resistances.


I know a lot of these are listed on your explanation page, but they should be listed on the profiles as well to make understanding the profiles easy for those unfamiliar. You've got to remember that very few people would want to read the entire explanation page if they're only trying to understand the characters for a matchup thread or to evaluate your CRT. Apart from all of that, I wish you the best of luck on your CRT.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Finally read through your entire Sandbox, and here are the changes I would make:

•Soractes can be affected by Toxic, so he's not immune to poison.

I mean Toxic can be many things, it could've been acid even. He's a stone so conventional poisons shouldn't affect him (plus it's impossible for enemy to have toxic immunities anyways).

•Soractes needs Inorganic Physiology (Type 1 since all Units have souls) in his Abilities Key.

Idk if this grants the ability tbh, I mean they have souls but it's not like they could do anything with it, eh apart from reviving (but no profile for now has that as their whole trait so idk about that).

•What does "superior than Time Manipulation" mean in Soractes and Nyuton's profiles.

We have time manip as supposedly the highest form of Freeze in battle cats, then there is Soractes who I'm scaling above spacetime (The Edge of Spacetime stuff) so his Freeze shouldn't be time manip, but it also should not be simply paralyze either. Nyuton's slow however could be gravity manip, but that's too iffy because no concrete statement so it is what it is.

•Units' Strengthens are Statistics Amplification.

•Units' Mini Waves and Waves are Energy Projection and/or Explosion Manipulation.

•Units' Slows are Statistics Reduction.

•Units' Sage Slayers, Massive Damage, and Insane Damage are Damage Boost.

•Units' Resistants to traits are Passive Damage Reduction.

•Units' Barrier Breakers are Forcefield Negation.
•Units' Zombie Killers are Immortality Negation (Types 2, 3, 4, and 7.)
•Units' Conjures are Summoning.

I've decided to use these terms for their abilities, linking them to the explanation page for an easier time because otherwise the page will be quite redundant after all.

•Gravolo is missing a Resistances Key.

fixed

•You can just say that Gravi upscales from Bullet Train Cat via being an Uber Rare Unit.

Not really, Bomburr can only dish out megatons of explosives and that's nowhere near Bullet train's

•Express Cat's Cyborgization is Inorganic Physiology.

Not really, it has living legs.

•General Cat Units' Immortality does not need to be listed since it is covered by General Cat Units' abilities.

We should separate them tbh, because I've used a separate section to explain that, and putting all of that inside the general abilities section would be quite convoluted. Though I can fix it now if you want.

•Maglev and Bullet Train Cat need Resistances Keys.

fixed

•Deth-Troy-R's Immunity to Status Effect Inducement is actually Immunity to Statistics Reduction.

Fixed all of them.

•Obliterator Diabolosa's Resistance to Paralysis Inducement is also Resistance to Time Stop.

Freeze ranges from paralysis to time stop, so not actually.

•Mighty Deth-Troy-R's Powers and Abilities Tabber is missing Siege Walker Diabolosa's Abilities and Resistances.

Not needed, it gains no new abilities.

I know a lot of these are listed on your explanation page, but they should be listed on the profiles as well to make understanding the profiles easy for those unfamiliar. You've got to remember that very few people would want to read the entire explanation page if they're only trying to understand the characters for a matchup thread or to evaluate your CRT. Apart from all of that, I wish you the best of luck on your CRT.

I understand, but don't worry, my page is separated into many many parts, the links are directed right to where they need to read, so it's 100% fine really.

I'll try my best on this one.

 

[2021_Animal]

So, how's the CRT going as of now?

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

So, how's the CRT going as of now?

It got enough votes, but people said I should wait for more votes, so currently I am. Maybe I'll end it in about 10 days or so if no one else comes.

 

[2021_Animal]

It got enough votes, but people said I should wait for more votes, so currently I am. Maybe I'll end it in about 10 days or so if no one else comes.

How many days into that are you currently on? I'm pretty sure that anything that would require those reworked calcs (They are mostly about the Pixies or Cyclones) are usually just either Cyclones/strong Ubers/lategame enemies. In the meantime, you could just make profiles for The Face, Dark Emperor Nyandam, and Teacher Bun Bun, as well as all the new Stories of Legend enemies from The Legend Begins up until Jail Break Tunnel. Those only need the calculations that are already accepted, anyways.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

How many days into that are you currently on? I'm pretty sure that anything that would require those reworked calcs (They are mostly about the Pixies or Cyclones) are usually just either Cyclones/strong Ubers/lategame enemies. In the meantime, you could just make profiles for The Face, Dark Emperor Nyandam, and Teacher Bun Bun, as well as all the new Stories of Legend enemies from The Legend Begins up until Jail Break Tunnel. Those only need the calculations that are already accepted, anyways.

True, but since the cosmology page affects pretty much all profiles thanks to it being a reference inside the explanation page which was accepted, and the explanation page is the source for all abilities and explanations in pretty much all profiles... Welp, there ya go.

 

[2021_Animal]

Any new updates? Surely there is enough votes for you to publish the explanation/cosmology pages.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Any new updates? Surely there is enough votes for you to publish the explanation/cosmology pages.

I'm still waiting for that 1 staff to come. I asked for a ping so gotta wait.

 

[2021_Animal]

Who is that 1 staff?

 

[2021_Animal]

Any updates as of now on that 1 staff that hasn't come yet?

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Any updates as of now on that 1 staff that hasn't come yet?

Nothing, planning to wait until April comes and I'll think about what to do next.

 

[2021_Animal]

Okay, what to do next?

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Okay, what to do next?

guess I'll ask for more staff pings. In the meantime thinking what to do with Darwin

 

[2021_Animal]

So, what are you planning right now?