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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

ShinMaximillion said:
- Restrain a God in adventures for a few seconds

- Defend against Zagreus' authority by recreating the mystery of AoG Rho Aias from outright nothing
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Did she do this in a vn or ubw i lowkey forgot its been a while

Actually didnt she fuse the timelines into hollow ataraxia 😭
 
Mbpoops said:
Did she do this in a vn or ubw i lowkey forgot its been a while

Actually didnt she fuse the timelines into hollow ataraxia 😭
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Adventures.

If you want her wanks in the VN that I can recall off the top of my head–

- She possesses 1000 units of magical energy, assuming each circuit has 10 units that we're told of, an average magus would have 250, Rin would have 1000. 1000 units, for instance, is stated to be a high-level Noble Phantasm tier/equal to Excalibur in terms of sheer output

- Her speed when fighting and thrashing Medea in CqC was stated to be the speed equivalent to that of Saber.

- Durability and endurance are pretty impressive for a human, since every use of Jeweled Sword Zelretch tore apart her physical muscles bit by bit, she withstood it and continued utilising it about hundreds of times

- Low-Mid regen through her Crest

- All 5 forms of elemental magecraft (not that big of a deal)

- Can handle attacks up to 10 tonnes of force with her gem magecraft.

Of course I'm still going strong.

I have five rubies attached to both my stomach and back which let me handle blows of up to ten tons.
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(Heracles grip strength was 10 tons 💔 💔 💔 )


I don't recall the rest as much.
 
ShinMaximillion said:
Adventures.

If you want her wanks in the VN that I can recall off the top of my head–

- She possesses 1000 units of magical energy, assuming each circuit has 10 units that we're told of, an average magus would have 250, Rin would have 1000. 1000 units, for instance, is stated to be a high-level Noble Phantasm tier/equal to Excalibur in terms of sheer output

- Her speed when fighting and thrashing Medea in CqC was stated to be the speed equivalent to that of Saber.

- Durability and endurance are pretty impressive for a human, since every use of Jeweled Sword Zelretch tore apart her physical muscles bit by bit, she withstood it and continued utilising it about hundreds of times

- Low-Mid regen through her Crest

- All 5 forms of elemental magecraft (not that big of a deal)

- Can handle attacks up to 10 tonnes of force with her gem magecraft.


(Heracles grip strength was 10 tons 💔 💔 💔 )


I don't recall the rest as much.
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Your memory is smth else
 
ShinMaximillion said:
Adventures.

If you want her wanks in the VN that I can recall off the top of my head–

- She possesses 1000 units of magical energy, assuming each circuit has 10 units that we're told of, an average magus would have 250, Rin would have 1000. 1000 units, for instance, is stated to be a high-level Noble Phantasm tier/equal to Excalibur in terms of sheer output

- Her speed when fighting and thrashing Medea in CqC was stated to be the speed equivalent to that of Saber.

- Durability and endurance are pretty impressive for a human, since every use of Jeweled Sword Zelretch tore apart her physical muscles bit by bit, she withstood it and continued utilising it about hundreds of times

- Low-Mid regen through her Crest

- All 5 forms of elemental magecraft (not that big of a deal)

- Can handle attacks up to 10 tonnes of force with her gem magecraft.
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Ill keep this in mind if she needs a profile tyty
 
ShinMaximillion said:
- She possesses 1000 units of magical energy, assuming each circuit has 10 units that we're told of, an average magus would have 250, Rin would have 1000. 1000 units, for instance, is stated to be a high-level Noble Phantasm tier/equal to Excalibur in terms of sheer output
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you got the numbers a bit wrong.

average Mage just has 25 and Rin can only produce 500 but can have a 1000 in peak circumstances (like the jewel sword/probably jewels in general).
you can find all of this in fsn but Katatuki Kouhon states most of it in one clean place:
Element: Earth.
Specialty: Counteraction, Leyline/Organic Adjustment, etc. Extremely plain.
The quality of his magic circuits is on the lower end of mediocre. As Waver, he could produce about 20 units of magical energy. At the time he became Lord El-Melloi, that increased to 70 plus 10 (similar to hidden savings thanks to magical artifacts he possesses and the rituals he uses).
※For comparison, Shirou could produce 25, and Rin could produce 500. The cutoff for a full-fledged magi is considered to be 100.
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all the other stuff is correct though so good job if you were going off memory.
 
Regrettable said:
you got the numbers a bit wrong.

average Mage just has 25 and Rin can only produce 500 but can have a 1000 in peak circumstances (like the jewel sword/probably jewels in general).
you can find all of this in fsn but Katatuki Kouhon states most of it in one clean place:
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Hm? Oh yeah, right. I was going solely by memory and incorrectly multiplied the 10 units by the number of circuits, a process mistaken for another series. The jewels likely give Rin access to around 1,000 units, and the Jewel Sword was capable of hitting that exact figure because the atmospheric mana in the cavern was precisely 1,000 units during the final day of HF. Regarding Adult Rin, she seems to have access to around 2,000 units at her max potential, although it could be that Nasu was simply saying she was entering the thousands and not necessarily referencing that exact number, all in all.

If the average mage is capable of producing 20 units worth of magical energy, Ciel is capable of outputting almost 5000.


Putting that colossal amount of magical energy into a single attack, only for it to end in failure, has taken an immeasurable toll on her spirits.
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4Gamer: By the way, it’s said that Ciel’s energy output is around 5000 units, while a typical mage would usually muster 20 units. Isn’t that a bit of a tall tale? Even if we’re talking about Rin, a bona fide prodigy, I remember she clocked in at roughly 500 units.

Nasu: It may come across as hyperbolic, but the numbers do hold water. Even someone like Roa, who reincarnates into bodies with progressively greater talents, considers Ciel his crown achievement. To put things into perspective, Trambelio—holder of the Clock Tower’s all-time high in energy output record—maxes out at a 2000 units, which is around Rin’s output.
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Regrettable said:
all the other stuff is correct though so good job if you were going off memory.
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Danke. Welcome to the site.
 
I can't believe Telomera would take more time citing fallacies than actually dismantling core ideas behind Shin's arguments. I mean, 95% of his links are referencing fallacies, and then he would switch to Shirou mode: "Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right." Then proceeds with the most amazing ass-pulled arguments I have ever seen. Bro really wants me to believe that transcending the laws of physics, being stated as being removed from it and being liberated from physical constraints actually means they are bound by the laws of physics on what a structure that natively lacked such notions until the beginning of human order ? Or that said bound reality perceiving a physics-based realm as its shadow just means it transcends physics to an extent, but not totally, etc. He argues the inner sea transcends physical laws locally but not as a whole, yet DaVinci already said the souls inhibiting such a realm transcends physicality itself ? Added to that the fact they are also quotes as removed, transcendental and liberated from physical constraints, Telomera still argues we are operating in a physics bound realm. I just hope he is just arguing in bad faith rather than actually believing in his own claims.

I just feel bad for Shin having to deal all the time with people faking pertinence rather than being pertinent.
 
Elesia011 said:
Egg NMI can't believe Telomera would take more time citing fallacies than actually dismantling core ideas behind Shin's arguments. I mean, 95% of his links are referencing fallacies, and then he would switch to Shirou mode: "Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right." Then proceeds with the most amazing ass-pulled arguments I have ever seen.
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Shirou is 4 chan user so who knows

Maybe it's actual emiya
 
I just think it's funny he calls him disingenuous but then prefaces his entire argument with a strawman arguing that Arcueid being resistant to magecraft isn't indicative of being 1A when normal Arcueid isn't being argued to being 1A in the first place. I'm also not sure how the dude can argue Arc being resistant to magecraft is an "external relation" stemming from her just being stronger than magecraft. She is, but what she actually stated is that magecraft has little effect due to her being the foundation of magecraft and magecraft being recreations of natural phenomena which she embodies. How is that not an "internal relation"?
 
Looking back on it, it's kind of funny to me how I responded to Mr T.

incoherent rambling
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"Amazing. No."
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Might take the effort to respond to his claims later if I feel like it, or if any staff member agrees with whatever spiel he's spouting. Staff members who read the thread will probably find the entire thing goofy.

That being said, this back-and-forth insistence with non-arguments is getting tiring and boring. There's part 2 to work towards, so I hope we get the staff votes soon-ish and get done with this.
 
PedjaTarzan said:
his streak was genuenly 1 hoyo downgrade and then getting fisted every other thread (mind you his only ever downgrade passed cuz of ultima)
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still baffles me to this day how he just got away scott free but hey nothing i can do abt it
 
Mbpoops said:
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still baffles me to this day how he just got away scott free but hey nothing i can do abt it
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Idk much about hoyo threads

Did he just copy from wiki or looked what wiki was using as sources and check if it means what it means based on context
 
ShinMaximillion said:
Powerscaling can't be this serious, reminds me of the other time "a certain guy" said he was glad my father passed away (happened as of recent) over trifling Type Moon powerscaling matters.
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Wtaf
Over power scaling? What the actual f
I'm sorry to hear tho,
Ubdon said:
Idk much about hoyo threads

Did he just copy from wiki or looked what wiki was using as sources and check if it means what it means based on context
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And yuh basically. He edited it to a supposed correct version and also says that absolute infinity should be Tier 0...
Editing a Wikipedia just to nuke Hoyoverse, is crazy work that should have never been accepted...

Also he tried to downgrade sonic too
 
Ubdon said:
Shirou is 4 chan user so who knows

Maybe it's actual emiya
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Naaah shirou may be silly but at least he is fair, that's not the case of T guy

PedjaTarzan said:
his streak was genuenly 1 hoyo downgrade and then getting fisted every other thread (mind you his only ever downgrade passed cuz of ultima)
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That actually explains why he actually managed to downgrade something ngl
CreatioExNihiro said:
I just think it's funny he calls him disingenuous but then prefaces his entire argument with a strawman arguing that Arcueid being resistant to magecraft isn't indicative of being 1A when normal Arcueid isn't being argued to being 1A in the first place. I'm also not sure how the dude can argue Arc being resistant to magecraft is an "external relation" stemming from her just being stronger than magecraft. She is, but what she actually stated is that magecraft has little effect due to her being the foundation of magecraft and magecraft being recreations of natural phenomena which she embodies. How is that not an "internal relation"?
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I just frankly stopped believing he has the slightest clue about what he is talking about. As a matter of fact, he thinks stating fallacies out of nowhere are actually equal to putting on strong rebuttals. Like yeah, explain me this. Bro be randomly talking about stuff never mentioned anywhere. Where is it ever said human laws are a subset of physics laws? 😭 So should I assume servant NPs transcend both human and physical laws on that premise?

All I know from actual lore is that human understandings and the laws that sustain their universe, including the laws of physics, are what actually create a realm called the texture of humanity, and that notions like physical laws based on human understandings aren't something native to the planet surface. He literally is trying to make a distinction between Age of Gods laws and humanity's laws of physics by framing the former as the actual laws of physics based on pure "let me make up things to sound credible amongst this crowd of ships" ass reasoning.
 
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