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Caine is MFTL+ no way (TADC)

It blatantly not obvious given thr fact it's already 4 pages
It is obvious which is the safer choice to go with (whether Caine made real stars or whether they're not comparable). Its also obvious that people naturally just dislike large downgrades which influences progress.

Its 4 pages cause its a topic of discussion while TADC is once again surging in popularity on the internet too.

The arguments for it being legit is that it was said to be a cosmos (it wasnt, offhand comment), it 'looks' like a cosmos (It doesnt, also skyboxes) and it acts like a cosmos (Untrue because the Digital Circus operates on its own programming as a digital world.) Theres no clear definitive proof, and such it should be obvious we cant take this as his most upscaled feat. Only thing not obvious is what his new rating should be
 
Tbf the real kicker here is: what tier would Caine even be with his abilities? For the Danganronpa case I was lucky there was a picture of the whole world map in-game, but for TADC is there anything similar?
It's not axing the city level stuff, right? (That'd need to be a different thread), so he'd just scale to that.
 
I didnt start with that whatsoever. I was prompted by others trying to act as if i dont know what reality equalization was (VS-thread dependent term) who literally kicked off that conversation. You're now continuing this just as much as me. All i did was just speak the most lol.
They only tried bringing up RE as a counterpoint to the thread which didn't work out, I've only seen you bring up RE in a manner that goes beyond this thread
 
They only tried bringing up RE as a counterpoint to the thread which didn't work out, I've only seen you bring up RE in a manner that goes beyond this thread
Well you're very wrong and making excuses for others while continuing the discussion when its already settled so... just let it go?
I never brought it up to begin with, again.
 
Chat, his creation being 4-A literally does nothing for him
It doesnt need to do anything for him. Its just an inaccuracy the CR should be fixing. And it also does overplay his creation based on the most upscaled assumption, so best not to put him within Tier 4 if he cant keep up.
 
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It’s actually a big simplification, it doesn’t show the special restaurant realm and adventure realms at all.
 
Well, from the start, Caine said he couldn't possess them or mess with their minds.
Did blud stop watching at Pilot.
Teleport, etc. is possible, but here, by "killing" I mean erasing them completely.
Caine will not be able to delete players/users/humans
Says who?
This limitation shows that Caine here plays the role of admin, not omnipotent/developer here
He literally proclaims himself as omnipotent lmao. Besides computer scene explicitly shows that humans are files, something Caine can alter, he already messed with their mind files, I see no reason why he would be unable to delete them.
then in episode 8 he can still be affected by emergency protocols.
That’s just a separate weakness, nothing to do with this.
He can create but it's all in psuedo form
Tell that to the main cast in episode 8. They’ll assure you, it was very real.

Anyways, you are just assuming your conclusion as true and trying to push it as one while it was never stated or even implied.
 
Did blud stop watching at Pilot.

Says who?

He literally proclaims himself as omnipotent lmao. Besides computer scene explicitly shows that humans are files, something Caine can alter, he already messed with their mind files, I see no reason why he would be unable to delete them.

That’s just a separate weakness, nothing to do with this.

Tell that to the main cast in episode 8. They’ll assure you, it was very real.

Anyways, you are just assuming your conclusion as true and trying to push it as one while it was never stated or even implied.
This lowkey is not relevant to the debate tho-
 
This lowkey is not relevant to the debate tho-
I think it started with the logic that since he “can’t even kill humans”, he is clearly limited and can’t be capable of creating Tier 4 stuff (this is faulty logic too though, worst case, assuming Bsk_lyree is right, it would just be another of his limitations like with Bubble. He still created Circus from nothing after all)
 
It literally adds nothing to the argument, the main thing is that the background has shown itself multiple times to be fake:

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This crap is clearly a fake, cartoony background that can be manipulated in appearance, it spawning real stars in a literal outer space for the sake of a night effect is just idiotic at this point.
 
I'd argue this scene shows much better and more realistic starry sky tbh (especially given that Gangle wanted something ordinary and real rather than cartoonish and stuff).

Sun looks fairly realistic too:
 
I'd argue this scene shows much better and more realistic starry sky tbh (especially given that Gangle wanted something ordinary and real rather than cartoonish and stuff).

While I am aware, it suddenly becoming more realistic does not remove the overall context of it being a changeable background that could also be just cartoony decorations, as the latter shows that the background as a whole is fake, invalidating any credibility of it.

(Also because how can she check if they're real lol)
 
While I am aware, it suddenly becoming more realistic does not remove the overall context of it being a changeable background that could also be just cartoony decorations, as the latter shows that the background as a whole is fake, invalidating any credibility of it.
It can be that he changes attitude based on what he thinks is purpose (cartoonish adventure or something grounded to reality). Add that to him craving to develop his skills to "marcoverse" level, I think at can possibly rating can be considered.
(Also because how can she check if they're real lol)
His fake stars are more blatant, and they appear in a later episode too. Unless he somehow became worse at faking stars for some reason (despite being infamous for reusing NPCs and locations)?
 
It can be that he changes attitude based on what he thinks is purpose (cartoonish adventure or something grounded to reality). Add that to him craving to develop his skills to "marcoverse" level, I think at can possibly rating can be considered.
He's just changing the decorations on a ceiling bruh, why are you assuming he's suddenly transforming that in a whole outer space?

Macroverse, again, means nothing here, a whole house can be considered a universe too (again) as it does not just mean the whole of reality we live in.
His fake stars are more blatant, and they appear in a later episode too. Unless he somehow became worse at faking stars for some reason (despite being infamous for reusing NPCs and locations)?
Fake stars don't have to be cartoony, they can be just glowing dots ya know. There's nothing new that confirms the new stars being real besides vibes tbh.
 
He's just changing the decorations on a ceiling bruh, why are you assuming he's suddenly transforming that in a whole outer space?
Because Gangle asked for something grounded in reality. If he were faking it, there would be no reason he wouldn't simply reuse that for star gazing in next episode. That to me implies they are different in nature.
Macroverse, again, means nothing here
The context of his statement was to make it like real, because characters wanted exit and desired to go to reality, so his AI logic thought he needs to maximalize realism to make them happy.
Fake stars don't have to be cartoony, they can be just glowing dots ya know.
In Caine's case they definitely look cartoony with five ends alongside with drawn dots.
There's nothing new that confirms the new stars being real besides vibes tbh.
There are actually old stars, which is one of my points.
 
Literally nobody argued this, this whole "it's either 4-A/Low 2-C or 11-C" is tiring, you're strawmanning and forcing a single path when other interpretations can fit both the scene and wiki standards.
Then what is the other option?because nobody discussed a different tier than those three.
 
Setelah membaca blog ini:

Saya benar-benar tidak mengerti mengapa prestasi ini digunakan untuk membenarkan kecepatan MFTL+ (lebih cepat dari kecepatan cahaya).
Seluruh perhitungan tampaknya mengasumsikan bahwa Void sangat jauh dari Grounds, tetapi… mengapa? Dalam cerita aslinya, Void benar-benar mengelilingi Grounds ( Ini atau Ini ). Anda tidak perlu menempuh jarak antar bintang untuk mencapainya, Anda hanya perlu melangkah keluar dari Grounds dan Anda sudah berada di sana. Grounds sendiri terletak tepat di tengah Void, jadi memperlakukan ini sebagai perjalanan jarak jauh terasa janggal sejak awal.
Yang lebih membingungkan saya adalah kalkulator tersebut memperlakukan Void dan Grounds seolah-olah keduanya berada di dimensi yang terpisah. Padahal TADC adalah dunia digital. Dalam konteks itu, Void jelas berfungsi sebagai area ruang yang belum dirender atau belum selesai yang belum dibangun oleh pengembang, dan itulah sebabnya Void kosong. Hanya Grounds yang benar-benar dirender dan dapat diakses.
Lalu ada anggapan bahwa area tersebut cukup luas untuk menampung matahari, bulan, dan bintang. Itu sama sekali tidak masuk akal. Yang kita lihat adalah latar langit. Langit yang terlihat terbatas pada skala sebuah pulau kecil, bukan struktur kosmik yang sebenarnya. Jika kita mulai memperlakukan setiap latar belakang dekoratif sebagai astronomi literal, semuanya akan menjadi konyol dengan sangat cepat.
Ungkapan "prasmanan kosmik" di sini juga memiliki makna yang jauh lebih dalam dari seharusnya. "Kosmik" tidak selalu berarti luar angkasa. Ungkapan ini, yang berasal dari Caine, seorang pembawa acara yang selalu melebih-lebihkan dan berbicara dengan bahasa yang mencolok dan berlebihan, terdengar lebih seperti gaya puitis atau hiperbola. Bisa saja itu merujuk pada beragam petualangan dan tema yang tersedia, bukan sesuatu yang berukuran astronomis.

Kesimpulan:
Jadi ya, saya kesulitan memahami bagaimana pencapaian ini mendukung MFTL+ sama sekali. Asumsi di balik perhitungan tersebut tidak benar-benar sesuai dengan bagaimana dunia The Amazing Digital Circus sebenarnya disajikan, yang membuat peringkat tersebut terasa lebih dipaksakan daripada dibenarkan.
Dan karena uraian di atas telah membahas penciptaan benda-benda langit seperti matahari, bulan, dan bintang yang tidak relevan, maka 4A dapat dihapus dan Caine dapat kembali ke tingkat kota yang lebih tinggi.

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What happened to OP bruh.
Because Gangle asked for something grounded in reality. If he were faking it, there would be no reason he wouldn't simply reuse that for star gazing in next episode. That to me implies they are different in nature.
Why would he need to make a whole outer space, it's not lke Gangle can go in space to check lmfao.
The context of his statement was to make it like real, because characters wanted exit and desired to go to reality, so his AI logic thought he needs to maximalize realism to make them happy.
Why does it need to make a real outer space when glowing dots can perfectly simulate stars in the sky?
There are actually old stars, which is one of my points.
So he's making an outer space out of literal nowhere instead of simply changing said background because?
Then what is the other option?because nobody discussed a different tier than those three.
We simply try to find a way to estimate the biggest size/mass of the digital world through calcs.
 
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