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The world that contains the sky of the 4A feat was made to be a realistic simulation of real life, unlike the circus.
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Caine is MFTL+ no way (TADC)
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Why are they supposed to be real stars and not random dots in a ceiling to look like a sky?
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Okay so now we are debating that all of this is just outright hypoversal right?
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Because Caine is a perfectionist like he himself claims, HE ISN'T LAZY (he just doesn't listen at all)
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Huh... no.
We're talking about whether the shown size is Tier 4 or something between Tier 8 and 7. Don't strawman us.
If you wanna take that so literally, make it fully a 3-A/Low 2-C realm if it's supposed to be a replica of our world lol.
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Now you're getting into the question of whether Caine actually knows about what IRL stars are beyond dots.
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You can do that without emulating a whole solar system, why would he need to do that to just entertain random people in a very small piece of ground?
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Its a digital world. None of Caine's creations are real or comparable. He's literally just controlling a sandbox
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Considering that it is a more advanced AI than anything we have, it should know the size of the stars.
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Kid named reality equalization
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We also know stuff like infinity or higher cardinal numbers, but we can't replicate that lol.
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Hes a creative/generative AI. He works from pictured references to things. Which is why he could only partially replicate the C&A office but nothing beyond what he's been referenced.
That being said, he cant have obtained so much of that to be able to make a REAL cosmic background as opposed to a backdrop, like literally every digital game does.
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Reality Equalization
Reality Equalization refers to the practice of treating characters from lower (or more rarely, higher) planes of existence as being on the same level of existence as most characters featured in Tiers 10 to 3. This is usually done in order to allow characters who exist in virtual worlds to fight...
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You gotta change this whole page before beginning to argue this.
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Specify that in the pages and thread regardless, but no misconceptions that hes literally generating this much power jsut cause he can copy something on a digital plane.
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We also don't control reality and can create anything with our imagination.
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Ok but we can still create simulations and stuff?
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i do not care, i know abt that form of equalisation already, this is the only verse i know that takes place in a 'digital world'Reality Equalization
Reality Equalization refers to the practice of treating characters from lower (or more rarely, higher) planes of existence as being on the same level of existence as most characters featured in Tiers 10 to 3. This is usually done in order to allow characters who exist in virtual worlds to fight...
You gotta change this whole page before beginning to argue this.
It should just be standard practise to mention that their stats are reliant on being within a certain world (and a real world actually exists outside of it) regardless. For actual thread debates, sure, but to all of the traffic that looks at the pages and somehow thinks Caine is really comparable to Solar Systems or w/e, then they're being missed out of context.
TL;DR If reality equalisation is being applied to a profile, then said Reality should also be specified and elaborated on. for example, 'Tier: High 4-C within the Digital Circus'.
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He probably,
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We would do that if he used that information to create a galaxy.
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Dismissing a whole standard with "I don't care I'm still right" is just petty and dishonest ngl.
VS Threads do not do that and allow paradoxes such as day and night at the same time just for the sake of allowing a match to happen, so this is not a counter at all.
I do agree with TADC not being 4-A, I even mentioned prior that we have another instance of a simulated realm being just Tier 7 despite it containing stars and a day-night cycle. Just that using "lol simulation" is a poor argument when we have standards against this (otherwise no virtual world can ever get Tier 3/2 despite context heavily hinting at that).
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When i say i dont care, i mean i dont care about going into it or trying to 'change things'. I literally do not care about the principle. Im already aware people do verse/reality equalisation in regards to these contextually 2D characters and thats fine, but this still doesnt mean the characters can output a comparable amount of power for a 'digital' imitation thats not 1:1
Talking about the pages mentioning that their stats are reliant on their own 'reality' if said reality in the context of the verse in digital, like TADC. Vs threads need to do it for it to make sense. Pages should go over the fact that they take place in a non-standard world. Idc about changing the precedent of that though, but its just proven to yield misconceptions
TADC being a created digital interpretation of what a generative AI sees is just factually not comparable to the real thing regardless. So yeah, there would need to be proof and context that its real for this case, and thiings being a simulation that dont have any factual proof of being energyoutput-comparable shouldn't be believed just for reality equalisation
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If you want to go this way. It’s so funny when people ignore reality equalization and say “Caine only has powers within the circus!” when you can’t even fight him outside of it without equalizing, his entire existence is tied to the program.
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MFW people downright ignore the idea of baseline reality and just go over the portrayal of a story.
Like do you want people to just... not have their feats based on a technicality?
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If I am to bring something up, Caine has stated that he wanted to accurately recreate the macroverse (AKA The Real World, which we all know is a universe), so it can very much be possible that he really is making things on a cosmic scale as accurately as possible, which would include the stars we constantly see in the background of the dimensions.
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Is this whole topic about reality equalization not derailing?
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Reality Equalisation is for Vs threads and the hypotheticals.
However on actual pages that lay out the facts, then the important context of these powers taking place in a non-standard world should be emphasized to anyone unaware. Even if its obvious they'll be made comparable for the sake of a debate, and to the people already familiar with the characters.
For the third time, im not saying theres anything wrong with Reality equalisation, just that pages should do a better effort to mention that they take place in nonstandard worlds. Someone else brought up SAO or whatever and i really dc about the logistics of other verses idk about. And im also not suggesting to make Caine have some Tier 11 form just because hes a digital being, only his stats within the Circus matter. Theyre just not Tier 4 like the verse has been getting away with for 2 years now.
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As someone who watched only the first 2 episodes of TADS, explain to me why "Macroverse" suddenly means a whole universe? Checking online the term has no real definition and is just a fancy sci-fi term that does not mean anything on its own.
Plus if you want to argue 3-A/Low 2-C Caine you'd need far more evidence than that.
We literally do not do that in situations like this.
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Should be changed for the sake of accuracy then. I dont agree with the notion.
This statement comes with the prior assumption that people know how these characters and their powers work. Pages should be as impartial and concise as possible. Mentioning that their stats and figures take place in a non-standard world on the profiles (which could yield different rules and laws of physics for example) just follows that notion, even if its 'self explanatory' and 'obvious' to the people that are aware of stats (it wont be to others.)
Important to note that Kirito's stats DO also follow this with the use of Keys. He has a Key for 'Real Life' being 10-A, which emphasizes his stats are separate in the real life. Though its silly for a data-being like Caine to have that key since he hasnt got a real form, but we know the real world exists in the verse, so instead it should be made clear that his power is sourced within his own plane of existence.
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Then, again, make a whole staff thread to argue such a change, because we do not do that as we're an indexing site that does not care about silly technicalities like this, do we have to mention that verses like Undertale or OMORI can "only work within their medium" due to them being canonically a videogame/dream respectively?
You're pretty much derailing this thread with this petty complaint that ultimately does not contribute to the thread in question, as the anti 4-A argument does not rely on being a simulation whatsoever. Just drop this for the sake of this discussion.
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Alright I'm convinced, put him up against Bill Cipher immediately!
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You know what? **** this, let's make him Low 1-A, "surpassing infinity" clearly means the whole concept of it, meaning that even all of its extensions are surpassed by Caine, duh.
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How does this help at all lol
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again, i dont care. Its just the way it should be. Im not wasting time making Staff Threads that wont resolve. It's just standard being concise with information.
You literally brought this up about SAO or whatever at me directly so im fine dropping it.
The Digital Circus and Caine's creations arent Tier 4, and any similar digital simulation as such would likely need to prove theyre comparable to gain ratings similarly.
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