Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[Fezzih_007]

Can someone who knows about Honkai Cosmology help me with something real Quick? I am reading blog for Honkai scaling, and they arguing that all the planets of the verse are 11D constructs.

I just want to know If the argument is bullshit or is legit.

Okay so, bear with us on this one. Due to the nature of hoyoverse and especially Star Rail’s insane sci-fi ideas, an interesting and frankly speaking, absurd thing has been noticed recently. The Planets in Star Rail and the rest of hoyoverse are much, much bigger than how they seem at first glance. Don’t trust us? Well, we have a reason for this.

In Hoyoverse, worlds are stated to have their own space-times, that are all branches of the Imaginary Tree. In Star Rail, this is backed up by Welt who stated that not only are there infinite planets in the universe, but they can also have different versions of the same person in them. This is backed up by Cocolia needing an Aeon to connect Jarilo VI to other planets for her to travel to them which wouldn’t have made sense if they were simply in space.

Furthermore, Planets and moons in Honkai contain “Bubble Universes,” which contain 11 spatial-dimensions. We know these dimensions are spatial dimensions as in Honkai, the higher dimensions view the lower dimensions as mere fiction that cannot truly harm the reader, while the higher one can absolutely dominate the lower one. And as established earlier, all of the games take place in the same multiverse, so this should also apply to Star Rail.

But wait, does this mean that every single planet in the verse is 11-dimensional? Kind of. At least, the planets where people exist and which contain their own histories should be that big because of the statement by Welt referring to those types of pla
nets.

It sounds like nonsense to wank the verse, but I don't know much of the Cosmology of the verse and some people says is legit. I dind't believe them tho.

 

[Mbpoops]

Can someone who knows about Honkai Cosmology help me with something real Quick? I am reading blog for Honkai scaling, and they arguing that all the planets of the verse are 11D constructs.

kafka low 1-C for planet busting

 

[Mbpoops]

btw this is most likely wrong. planets dont contain bubble worlds unless man-made, theres bubbles based off planets, solar systems, galaxies, and universes in the SoQ that replicate these structures but planets themselves are not 11D

 

[SuperNova55555]

Can someone who knows about Honkai Cosmology help me with something real Quick? I am reading blog for Honkai scaling, and they arguing that all the planets of the verse are 11D constructs.

I just want to know If the argument is bullshit or is legit.


It sounds like nonsense to wank the verse, but I don't know much of the Cosmology of the verse and some people says is legit. I dind't believe them tho.

The “11 dimensions” are compactified. The Leaves are explicitly stated to have exactly only 4 real dimensions.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Honkai:_Star_Rail#Calculations:~:text=Phantylia Launches a Star - Large Star level [20076.5 Quettatons] there aint even a calc for zephyro blowing up planets everyone going to FTL ig

Zephyro ramming through planets would at best be Sub rel or rel tbh speed wise

 

[Mbpoops]

Zephyro ramming through planets would at best be Sub rel or rel tbh speed wise

LMAO FU HUA SPEED BLITZ

 

[Fezzih_007]

kafka low 1-C for planet busting

She actually would be High 1-C lol

btw this is most likely wrong. planets dont contain bubble worlds unless man-made, theres bubbles based off planets, solar systems, galaxies, and universes in the SoQ that replicate these structures but planets themselves are not 11D

Ok, so the planets are 11D because they don't have the bubble worlds, but would the bubble worlds be 11D because they can replicate the 11D thing?

The “11 dimensions” are compactified. The Leaves are explicitly stated to have exactly only 4 real dimensions.

What you mean they are compactified? Is the whole argument just for the begining?

 

[Mbpoops]

She actually would be High 1-C lol

Ok, so the planets are 11D because they don't have the bubble worlds, but would the bubble worlds be 11D because they can replicate the 11D thing?

the real planets are not 11D the leaf and bubble worlds are, leaf worlds are extremely big tho

What you mean they are compactified? Is the whole argument just for the begining?

compactification just means they arent Tierable (low 1-C-H1B) but HDE is still possible

 

[Natsuki012]

She actually would be High 1-C lol

Ok, so the planets are 11D because they don't have the bubble worlds, but would the bubble worlds be 11D because they can replicate the 11D thing?

What you mean they are compactified? Is the whole argument just for the begining?

You should read this thread https://vsbattles.com/threads/accepted-sliming-all-honkai-scaling-gone-brutal.186792/

 

[SuperNova55555]

Ok, so the planets are 11D because they don't have the bubble worlds, but would the bubble worlds be 11D because they can replicate the 11D thing?

The planets are normal, just the leaves have the extra dimensions.

What you mean they are compactified? Is the whole argument just for the begining?

Honkai explicitly affirms compactification of the 7 dimensions in the Durandal VN. Basically, a compact dimension is a dimension that is “curled up” with other dimensions at an extremely small scale, such that it becomes functionally unobservable and undistinguishable from the standard 4 dimensions. I.e they are extremely, extremely small and cannot be used for tiering purposes.

 

[Mbpoops]

i still dont like how we treat IX manifestations as basically IX themself.. like IX hax are just kinda ass inverse thanks to acheron

 

[Fezzih_007]

compactification just means they arent Tierable (low 1-C-H1B) but HDE is still possible

No, I know what compactified means. But If that's true, this whole argument for the planets being 11D is just bunk then.

Honkai explicitly affirms compactification of the 7 dimensions in the Durandal VN.

I see
Hm, I gonna cut down this argument for now on then.

 

[Mbpoops]

No, I know what compactified means. But If that's true, this whole argument for the planets being 11D is just bunk then.

if its from the cosmology page its old and needs to be rewritten so dont worry abt it too much

 

[SuperNova55555]

if its from the cosmology page its old and needs to be rewritten so dont worry abt it too much

I think after my CRT passes, literally everything in that page will be officially wrong lmao

 

[Mbpoops]

btw... how do we know pompom scales to the express... currently they have 3-B "higher with express"

 

[Mbpoops]

on one hand... i can remove it cause we dont know if pompom scales... on the other hand pompom can fight ichigo...

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

i still dont like how we treat IX manifestations as basically IX themself.. like IX hax are just kinda ass inverse thanks to acheron

This is just accurate as IX is a bum.

 

[Mbpoops]

blade vs kenpachi...

 

[Mbpoops]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/F...Multi-Solar System level,-, likely far higher is this wanked?

 

[Fezzih_007]

on one hand... i can remove it cause we dont know if pompom scales... on the other hand pompom can fight ichigo...

Nah, Pom-Pom making Ichigo Go for a extreme diff sounds better.

 

[SuperNova55555]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Firefly_(Honkai:_Star_Rail)#:~:text=Attack Potency:-,At least Multi-Solar System level,-, likely far higher is this wanked?

They all cross-scale from the Gnaw Stings

 

[Mbpoops]

They all cross-scale from the Gnaw Stings

fairs

 

[PedjaTarzan]

fairs

dont put 3-C+ in this:
At least 4-A, likely far higher, 3-C+ with Strategic Assault Mecha, higher with Complete Combustion State
This is only for attack potency durability and SS where you write Galaxy level+ instead just keep Tiering as 3-C

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Looking at the profiles and seeing Welt’s Authority of Reason only being a higher rating
We’ll miss tier 1 Smurf welt

 

[SuperNova55555]

fairs

I think it’s extremely inconsistent though. The scans imply that the bigger the Sting is, the weaker it is since they explicitly say the big guy is at the bottom, but then we have an immediate anti-feat of of this since AE was getting feat haxxed by the Giant Sting but was completely fine in fighting smaller ones hidden inside the AE.

I might open a CRT for this eventually. Maybe also to address the Dan Heng star feat since I also believe it is extremely vague and inconsistent. Honestly for these, you can even argue outliers lel

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I might open a CRT for this eventually. Maybe also to address the Dan Heng star feat since I also believe it is extremely vague and inconsistent. Honestly for these, you can even argue outliers lel

unironically wtf would Jarilo Chars even scale to if you snub Gnaw Sting and Star level DH scaling?
5-B doomsday beast? Cause tbh if you wanna be an annoying snob, do we even know how doomsday beasts bust planets or how long they take?

 

[SuperNova55555]

unironically wtf would Jarilo Chars even scale to if you snub Gnaw Sting and Star level DH scaling?
5-B doomsday beast? Cause tbh if you wanna be an annoying snob, do we even know how doomsday beasts bust planets or how long they take?

If you argue that last point, you might as well put into question Lord Ravagers destroying galaxies too

 

[PedjaTarzan]

The way you are all nitpicking everything might as well remove every gameplay feat. and now 800 petatons is only surpassed by kevin and zephyro, which is funny considering zephyro is theorised to be kevin from acherons home world or just kevin expy in general

 

[Mbpoops]

dont put 3-C+ in this:
At least 4-A, likely far higher, 3-C+ with Strategic Assault Mecha, higher with Complete Combustion State
This is only for attack potency durability and SS where you write Galaxy level+ instead just keep Tiering as 3-C

i mightve miss typed my bad

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

If you argue that last point, you might as well put into question Lord Ravagers destroying galaxies too

May as well nitpick everything atp. Iirc Zephyro spent an amber era destroying a galaxy

The way you are all nitpicking everything might as well remove every gameplay feat. and now 800 petatons is only surpassed by kevin and zephyro, which is funny considering zephyro is theorised to be kevin from acherons home world or just kevin expy in general

800 Petatons is a conceptual wall that only Kaslana’s are allowed to cross
firefly and Amped Phantylia are allowed too for some reason

 

[PedjaTarzan]

i mightve miss typed my bad

just use "{{" and the template wil pop up, write down tier u want to and click it and now u made its tiering categorized across page

 

[Mbpoops]

just use "{{" and the template wil pop up, write down tier u want to and click it and now u made its tiering categorized across page

i thought i did lol tyty woomy

 

[SuperNova55555]

Iirc Zephyro spent an amber era destroying a galaxy

Do you know the exact statement? Cuz u can def downgrade it to like solar system or sum if true

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I think it’s extremely inconsistent though. The scans imply that the bigger the Sting is, the weaker it is since they explicitly say the big guy is at the bottom, but then we have an immediate anti-feat of of this since AE was getting feat haxxed by the Giant Sting but was completely fine in fighting smaller ones hidden inside the AE.

No it doesn’t because by this logic the true Skaracabaz is one weakest bug in the hierarchy despite being an huge intergalactic size bug. All it means is that Giant Sting is one of the lowest in the hierarchy despite its size.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Do you know the exact statement? Cuz u can def downgrade it to like solar system or sum if true

It’s from the IPC broadcast #1 that you can listen to on the parlor car
I bring it up cause it’s used as the justification for Zephyro’s range on his page.
Not the exact statement though

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

May as well nitpick everything atp. Iirc Zephyro spent an amber era destroying a galaxy

We don’t know how long ember eras or trailblazer years are btw

 

[SuperNova55555]

No it doesn’t because by this logic the true Skaracabaz is one weakest bug in the hierarchy despite being an huge intergalactic size bug. All it means is that Giant Sting is one of the lowest in the hierarchy despite its size.

It just means the statement is inaccurate, or merely not meant to be understood in a way that is directly proportionate to powerlevel.

The scans explicitly say that:
1) The Giant Sting is at the bottom of the ladder entirely
2) That it is explicitly the least powerful.

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

We don’t know how long ember eras or trailblazer years are btw

Well we do but we don't since an amber era is just the time between Qlipoth swinging his hammer. Not TB years though, no clue.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

We don’t know how long ember eras or trailblazer years are btw

Well our pages do use the databank to say the trailblaze calendar is analogous to the Gregorian one

Being serious though since Galaxy affecting stuff has happened in HSR before we can let the Ravager Galaxy nuking statement slide

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Well we do but we don't since an amber era is just the time between Qlipoth swinging his hammer. Not TB years though, no clue.

As Qlipoth swings their hammer at unpredictable intervals, the duration of every Amber Era varies significantly. The length of one Amber Era has been anywhere between 76 to 240 Trailblaze Years when converted.

So when u wanna calculate how much years it took for zephyro to slime out tia nua galaxy, u either go with 76 or 240 years, or the middle ground, or just dont because its on you to prove it took him that much specific year the ONLY thing we know is that it happened between 1 amber era, and that can even be 1 year between 1 AE to 2 AE doesnt matter rly