Genshin – Mondstadt Cast Upgrade

[MSahla]

Introduction
After finishing the Version Luna V "Homeward, He Who Caught The Wind" Event, i think several of the Mondstadt cast needs an upgrade.

Spoiler: Dvalin

First off, Dvalin.

Tier: At least 6-B | At most 6-B
Key: Prime | Poisoned

Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ (Fought on par with Barbatos and Durin, eventually tagging the latter and ripping out its throat) | Hypersonic (Kept up with Venti as well as an empowered Jean and Diluc)

Dvalin's second key should be change to "Alternate Future/Corrupted", because he got corrupted completely by the Abyss in the Alternate Future.

And so therefore, he will get Abyssal Energy too. The previous justification will remain the same.

New Ratings:

AP = At least 6-B
Speed = At least Massively Hypersonic+ (For the second key)

Corrupted Dvalin manage to onpar with current Dvalin, which more or less are the same as Prime Dvalin.
As shown here:

Spoiler: Diluc

Here are the current ratings of Diluc's "Current" key:

Tier: 7-C | High 8-C
Key: Current | Young

Attack Potency: Town level (Diluc is a contender for the strongest fighter in Mondstadt, by both the people of the city and the Traveler themselves alongside Jean, putting him on a comparable level to Klee and making him superior to Lisa)

Speed: Supersonic (As a contender for Mondstadt's strongest fighter, he should be comparable to the likes of Jean and Eula. Can blitz Abyss Mages)

New ratings:
AP = At most 6-B
In the cutscene, we saw several times Diluc launched his attacks on Corrupted Dvalin and he was able to injure him a bit.
Two different scenes:



Speed = Massively Hypersonic+
In the same cutscene, we saw Diluc dodging Corrupted Dvalin's laser beam.


So that's all for Diluc.

Spoiler: Venti

I believe Venti's case is the same as Diluc, more or less.

Here's the current ratings of Venti's "Post-Prologue" key:

Tier: High 8-C | At least 6-B
Key: Post-Prologue Venti | Anemo Archon

Attack Potency: Large Building level (Upon losing a Gnosis, he could still showcase part of his Archons powers, making him capable of fighting enemies like Fatui Soldiers with ease)

New ratings:
AP = At most 6-B
Speed = At most Massively Hypersonic+
In the same scene as Diluc's before, we saw Venti manage to harmed Corrupted Dvalin as well.

Spoiler: Paimon

Surprisingly, Paimon will get an upgrade too (?). But this time, the justification aren't from that Mondstadt event.
I believe that her Speed should upgrade to Massively Hypersonic+, somehow..

In this cutscene, we saw her dodging Rerir's abyssal beams and kept up with Traveler's speed:

Cutscene Animation: "The Hunt Beneath the Silver Moon" | Genshin Impact #GenshinImpact

None know why the hound howls at the moon, nor why its deep persistence hangs heavy, like a darkened cloud.Though dim, the moonlight lends its weary glow to ...

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That's it. If you have any thoughts, just drop it.
Poor my girl, Jean.. She didn't get any.

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Agree: @Vietthai96 (same as Twilight) - TWILIGHT-OP (The rest)
PedjaTarzan (Diluc 6-B via Dawn only) - Natsuki012 (The rest, but only Possibly rating for Diluc and Paimon's speed) - LoudestProcedure - Furina003 (the rest) - IReallyLoveRilysse (the rest)


Neutral:
Bossbrosish (Venti's AP snd Dvalin) - Furina003 (Paimon)


Disagree: Vietthai96 (same as Twilight) - TWILIGHT-OP (Entirety of Diluc)
Natsuki012 (Diluc AP) - Puppet43 (Entirety of Diluc) - Bossbrosish (Entirety of Diluc and Paimon) - IReallyLoveRilysse (Entirety of Diluc)

 

[PedjaTarzan]

diluc should be 6-B via “dawn” and thats about it i agree with rest

 

[Puppet43]

- Venti would just need a rating like

Tier: High 8-C, at least 6-B with Istaroth's powers | At least 6-B
Key: Post-Prologue Venti | Anemo Archon

- Diluc should not be scaling to this, at all. This could be consider an outlier, since narratively he was a the vergue of the death after an encounter with some [Unknown] Harbingers which are have wide power gaps between themselfs Geo Traveler lvl to Archon lvl. And unlike when others Archon lvls character it (Such as Dvalin, Venti or Varka) Dvalin just barely flinches against Diluc

 

[MSahla]

- Venti would just need a rating like

Istaroth's power should be in his both key or just his Anemo Archon key, and why is it only 6-B while Istaroth is 5-B?
It should be the same as Mavuika and Xbalanque with Ronova's power.

- Diluc should be scaling to this, at all.

You mean "should not"?

This could be consider an outlier, since narratively he was a the vergue of the death after an encounter with some [Unknown] Harbingers which are have wide power gaps between themselfs Geo Traveler lvl to Archon lvl. And unlike when others Archon lvls character it (Such as Dvalin, Venti or Varka) Dvalin just barely flinches against Diluc

That didn't stop him from earning higher feats and ratings, and Dvalin reacted (like screaming and shaken) to his attacks, proving that Diluc's attacks truly affected him. That's why i give him at most

 

[MSahla]

Anyway, i'll give Istaroth rating on Venti later in another CRT, i just want to focus on their scaling to Dvalin first.

 

[Puppet43]

and why is it only 6-B while Istaroth is 5-B?

Because the shades are not putting all their power in them?

It should be the same as Mavuika and Xbalanque with Ronova's power.

They need also a downgrade

Dvalin reacted (like screaming and shaken)

Barely anything compared to Venti's (Actual Archon lvl character) arrow which could put Dvalin to sleep, there could be a lot of reasons on why Dvalin reacted, but Diluc scaling to him, is not one of them (Perfecctly could be a cause of the temperature of Pyro)
.
And btw about Diluc doding the laser... its aim dodging.
Diluc could react to it because Dvalin was aiming at the floor, not at Diluc and since it was moving in a straight line, Diluc only needed to move to the side (It should not be forgotten that the laser approaches Diluc at Dvalin's movement speed, not Dvalin's attack speed, which is MH)

 

[Puppet43]

there could be a lot of reasons on why Dvalin reacted, but Diluc scaling to him, is not one of them (Perfecctly could be a cause of the temperature of Pyro)
.

I was right, Vswiki claims high temperatures are a form of Dura negation

• Character A has City level durability and Character B harms them using hax that negates durability. In this case, it's not safe to assess that Character B has City level Attack Potency since they didn't use their Attack Potency to overwhelm Character A's durability.

 

[MSahla]

Because the shades are not putting all their power in them?

How is that even matter? They used 5-B level source of power, no matter how much the amount of it.

Barely anything compared to Venti's (Actual Archon lvl character) arrow which could put Dvalin to sleep,

?? You literally see Diluc doing a damage before that Venti's scene.

there could be a lot of reasons on why Dvalin reacted, but Diluc scaling to him, is not one of them (Perfecctly could be a cause of the temperature of Pyro)

I could at least give him a possibly rating

And btw about Diluc doding the laser... its aim dodging.
Diluc could react to it because Dvalin was aiming at the floor, not at Diluc and since it was moving in a straight line, Diluc only needed to move to the side

I mean, his movement is fast enough to dodge that, and Dvalin was meant to attack them.

(It should not be forgotten that the laser approaches Diluc at Dvalin's movement speed, not Dvalin's attack speed, which is MH)

Dvalin doesn't launch his beam continuously, it's like a laser beam that he releases every few seconds, so that still count as Attack Speed. You can see it.

 

[Puppet43]

How is that even matter? They used 5-B level source of power, no matter how much the amount of it.

Let me give you an analogy with water bottles.
Bottle 1 contains 5 liters of water, and Bottle 2 has a capacity of 300 ml. Does that mean I should pour all my water into Bottle 2 just because its contents came from Bottle 1?

?? You literally see Diluc doing a damage before that Venti's scene.

I was right, Vswiki claims high temperatures are a form of Dura negation

Dvalin doesn't launch his beam continuously, it's like a laser beam that he releases every few seconds

Still, its just "dont get in front of him and u wont get hurt" he aint directly targetting anyone

 

[Bossbrosish]

I checked the cutscene again and Diluc only managed to make Dvalin flinch (and kinda hurt him I guess) from his attack, but when Venti shit a single arrow afterwards it was powerful enough to push Dvalin back entirely.

Diluc genuinely shouldn't scale at all, but I can get behind him getting dura-neg with his skill.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I was right, Vswiki claims high temperatures are a form of Dura negation

kay now prove diluc had flames hot enough to even be considered dura neg, considering dvalin got harmed by literal explosion i genuenly dont see this being a case so please stop using cope args

 

[MSahla]

Let me give you an analogy with water bottles.
Bottle 1 contains 5 liters of water, and Bottle 2 has a capacity of 300 ml. Does that mean I should pour all my water into Bottle 2 just because its contents came from Bottle 1?

I don't even get your analogy. Try the better one.

Still, its just "dont get in front of him and u wont get hurt" he aint directly targetting anyone

Diluc was at that position, which is the target of Dvalin's beam, it was an Attack Speed as i show you before, and he manage to dodge it. It'll strengthen your argument if Dvalin's beam was continuously, but it wasn't.

 

[MSahla]

I checked the cutscene again and Diluc only managed to make Dvalin flinch (and kinda hurt him I guess) from his attack, but when Venti shit a single arrow afterwards it was powerful enough to push Dvalin back entirely.

Diluc genuinely shouldn't scale at all, but I can get behind him getting dura-neg with his skill.

I count that as Disagree with Diluc scaling AP, what about his Speed though?

 

[Natsuki012]

Diluc's case may be an outlier, also Dvalin doesn't seem to be significantly hurt by his attack in both instances

 

[MSahla]

Diluc's case may be an outlier, also Dvalin doesn't seem to be significantly hurt by his attack in both instances

Well i count that as disagree for his AP scaling, what about his speed and the rest?

 

[MSahla]

Pls don't be cliffhanger guys, give me your input about the rest too, not just Diluc T_T

 

[Bossbrosish]

I count that as Disagree with Diluc scaling AP, what about his Speed though?

Yeah it's a disagree, I should've specified. As the for the speed, place me in disagree. Diluc clearly saw the bean coming his direction and does a quick side step to avoid it. Just as Puppet said, it's aim-dodging. (I also played it at .25x speed and Diluc looks up at the attack as he's running)

I do want to ask if you're suggesting post+prologue Venti be 6-B?

As for Dvalin, I think this should either be an entirely new key (since it's an alternative future Dvalin) or a new profile rather than replacing/changing his second Key

 

[Natsuki012]

what about his speed

Speed is kinda iffy, so maybe give him a possibly Massively Hypersonic+

Pls don't be cliffhanger guys, give me your input about the rest too, not just Diluc T_T

I agree with the rest of the thread, but I would also would give possibly Massively Hypersonic+ to Paimon.

 

[MSahla]

I do want to ask if you're suggesting post+prologue Venti be 6-B?

Yes, it's "at most 6-B". I was earlier proposed to be "High 8-C, At most 6-B"

As for Dvalin, I think this should either be an entirely new key (since it's an alternative future Dvalin) or a new profile rather than replacing/changing his second Key

I was thinking about that too, but it's kinda confusing me.

He was not completely corrupted in Mondstadt AQ. But in the Alternate Future he got completely corrupted. If you have a better idea, you can drop it here.

 

[Bossbrosish]

He was not completely corrupted in Mondstadt AQ. But in the Alternate Future he got completely corrupted.

That is true, but I think doing Prime | Poisoned | Alternative future or Prime | Poisoned | Full corruption works than just combining his poisoned key with the alternative future.

Yes, it's "at most 6-B". I was earlier proposed to be "High 8-C, At most 6-B"

Put me in neutral for this. I'll wait for more comments on this from others.

 

[MSahla]

That is true, but I think doing Prime | Poisoned | Alternative future or Prime | Poisoned | Full corruption works than just combining his poisoned key with the alternative future.

I think

Prime | Poisoned | Alternate Future/Corrupted

Is the best for this one.

Anyway, i think that thing is for another CRT so we'll get better explanations.

Put me in neutral for this. I'll wait for more comments on this from others.

Anything to say about Paimon and Dvalin? Agree Neu or Dis.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Anything to say about Paimon and Dvalin? Agree Neu or Dis.

Disagree with Paimon. I checked the cutscene and slowed it down to 0.25x speed. She's not dodging anything, she's flying over the explosions caused by the beams. Besides, those beams are directly aimed at the traveler. Paimon was also looking behind her for the majority of them.

Dvalin stuff if fine, but put me in Neutral, slightly leaning towards agreeing for that.

 

[Frostyyyy12]

I can’t say i disagree with this thread completely. As long as we don’t say “this makes the cast relative to Varka and the Traveler” or some shit like that, but i’ll give a more concise response later.

 

[Frostyyyy12]

Barely anything compared to Venti's (Actual Archon lvl character) arrow which could put Dvalin to sleep,

This is something you’ll never be able to prove.

But i can apply the same thing with Venti regarding temperature as well. Venti’s attack swirled Pyro.

 

[Frostyyyy12]

I don't even get your analogy. Try the better one.

Venti has only a chip of Istaroth’s power. You can’t gauge that numerically. 6-B is similarly a chip of 5-B (Istaroth).

 

[LoudestProcedure]

Agree with all of it

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Aside from Diluc's everything's good.

 

[IReallyLoveRilysse]

Even i love my goat Diluc... I agree with everything except Diluc's

 

[Furina003]

I Agree, but im neutral the section of paimon

 

[Puppet43]

kay now prove diluc had flames hot enough to even be considered dura neg,

This would be just a circular reasoning if we started to talk about this
There no mention of Diluc's Pyro Temperature (Nor Dvalin's heat resistance) but Vswiki allows for Heat Manip to be Dura negation
Unless we just go ahead and assume that Diluc flames are just average flames there no point

 

[PedjaTarzan]

This would be just a circular reasoning if we started to talk about this
There no mention of Diluc's Pyro Temperature (Nor Dvalin's heat resistance) but Vswiki allows for Heat Manip to be Dura negation
Unless we just go ahead and assume that Diluc flames are just average flames there no point

heat is considered dura neg when the temperature is capable to literally melt/vaporise you, do we see that with diluc? absolutely not so the assumption that hes actually capable of harming dvaling with his own power rather than dura neg thing is more valid if anything. im not gonna argue much for it but like i said if we are tiering this, it must be 6-B via "Dawn"

 

[Puppet43]

heat is considered dura neg when the temperature is capable to literally melt/vaporise you

The wiki never says anything a quantificable magnitude. Its just says it has to be extremely hot; orange flames can reach up to 1100°C
Dont u think that already qualificates as extremely hot?

Heat and its manipulation, whether making things extremely cold or extremely hot often ignores durability.

 

[Frostyyyy12]

If we’re using this as an argument, then i also propose that we change Venti’s rating as well, because he swirled Diluc’s “extremely hot, possibly duranegging” flames, allowing his anemo powers to combine with Diluc’s power.

I don’t disagree with the flame argument. I disagree with applying it only in the case of Diluc.

 

[MSahla]

Bump

 

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[Vietthai96]

It is currently weekend so i'm taking a break, i will visit this later

 

[Random-Helper323]

Which calculations do they scale to here?

 

[MSahla]

Which calculations do they scale to here?

Archon level = 6-B & MHS+

 

[MSahla]

Bumpp

 

[MSahla]

Which calculations do they scale to here?

Is there any thoughts about this thread, sir?