Chaotic Honkai Verse Upgrade (1-A & L1-A)

[Rakih_Elyan]

she included the cocoon because the cocoon controls the honkai. the tsunami whiped out he honkai enemies but also nearly all life on venus leaving vita the only survivor and the cocoon got bored of venus and left the tsunami did NOT wash away the cocoon it literally just got bored with venus

The Abyss is literally the Cocoon bro

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

Spoiler: Abyss Equal Finality

Spoiler: CoF getting washed up by a tsunami lmao

Chapter 39, Daughter of the Sea Act 2.

Yeah, CoF ain't above the SoQ, kek

You mean the Venus that lost against the cocoon? A weaker cocoon, might I add? To substantiate this, if the Cocoon didn't get stronger during its time on Earth then Sa would've been an equal (or superior) to the Cocoon. She was absorbing power from the SoQ for 250 million years.

All this and Sa was stated to be 1/10th of the Cocoon's power, likely even less as the only benchmark they'd have at that time period is an incomplete Herrscher of Finality Kiana, only 8 months into learning how to control the power.
This Kiana 1 taps Sa with minimum from across the entire solar system btw.

Also even if all of that was untrue you're ignoring all the blatant statements that say the CoF IS above the SoQ / Imaginary Tree.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

You mean the Venus that lost against the cocoon? A weaker cocoon, might I add? To substantiate this, if the Cocoon didn't get stronger during its time on Earth then Sa would've been an equal (or superior) to the Cocoon. She was absorbing power from the SoQ for 250 million years.

All this and Sa was stated to be 1/10th of the Cocoon's power, likely even less as the only benchmark they'd have at that time period is an incomplete Herrscher of Finality Kiana, only 8 months into learning how to control the power.
This Kiana 1 taps Sa with minimum from across the entire solar system btw.

Transcendence of dimensional difference, IE: 2D to 3D. Is uncountably infinite. So no amount of finite energy gathering would make you +1D unless it is infinite*Infinite.

Also even if all of that was untrue you're ignoring all the blatant statements that say the CoF IS above the SoQ / Imaginary Tree.

I'm not ignoring, those are pre-chapter 35 lore. The newer lore of the Cocoon from the Daughter of Sea is chapter 39. It just very inconsistent if you take both lore into account.

Blame HI3rd writer for being inconsistent.

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

Here's my summary

Premise
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Imaginary space was originally L1-A accepted as per this thread
But it was later downgraded due to the misconception of Imaginary tree growing through 11D sea of quanta in this thread.

Current thread
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I have proved that imaginary tree growing through sea of quanta is actually a localization error.

En localized scan that caused the downgrade

original CN scan

Anyone can clearly see that this is a misunderstanding. So we now know that the imaginary tree doesn't grow through 11D sea of quanta. But how is that makes Imaginary space L 1A, you might ask. This is a bit confusing since the terms are loosely used in different contexts.
The Imaginary Tree has two parts. One is real space where MWI happens and the other is imaginary space.
Imaginary sigularity exists in imaginary space as a fixed point, dimensionless and existing in all dimensions. This is what was argued in L1-A upgrade thread.
Since the tree no longer grew through 11D SoQ, downgrade thread becomes invalid and making imaginary space L1-A again.

What're the current problems discussed here?
--------------------------------------------------
1. Imaginary space is delimited to 11D if it's inside the tree and the tree is in rivalry with the sea.
Ans : As I've explained here, the tree's rivalry with the sea is about the process of leaf worlds falling into the sea and it's happening on real space level without including the imaginary space. Heck, the whole goal of project stigmata is to elavate humanity into imaginary space so that honkai won't destroy us.

Sounds good. It would be way more helpful to have proof that Imaginary Space isn't part of the Tree since Hi3 does kinda treat them the same though. I still believe that the Imaginary Space and Tree are part of the same overarching construct, but if you wanna frame the rivalry of the sea and tree as 'flowery language' that's fair enough but I don't see how Imaginary Space wouldn't be listed under the Tree.

Nagamitsu even says that Durandal is entering the realm of the imaginary tree and she ends up in Imaginary Space.

 

[Weaver261]

It would be way more helpful to have proof that Imaginary Space isn't part of the Tree since Hi3 does kinda treat them the same though. I still believe that the Imaginary Space and Tree are part of the same overarching construct, but if you wanna frame the rivalry of the sea and tree as 'flowery language' that's fair enough but I don't see how Imaginary Space wouldn't be listed under the Tree.

Nagamitsu even says that Durandal is entering the realm of the imaginary tree and she ends up in Imaginary Space.

I also never said or claimed that imaginary tree is under the tree in term of scaling. Imaginary space is inside the tree but it transcends reality which is real space.
Again, Imaginary space isn't outside or under the imaginary tree. It's in the tree but superior to real space.

Tbh, I have no idea why you guys are going in circle about this T - T

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

I also never said or claimed that imaginary tree is under the tree in term of scaling. Imaginary space is inside the tree but it transcends reality which is real space.
Again, Imaginary space isn't outside or under the imaginary tree. It's in the tree but superior to real space.

Tbh, I have no idea why you guys are going in circle about this T - T

Mb, misinterpreted, this is just justification for going back to the previous CRT and is fair, and makes sense.

I just disagree with the original CRT where Imaginary Space is above the Tree because of the Imaginary Singularity (The Cocoon of Finality is the Imaginary Singularity).

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Mb, misinterpreted, this is just justification for going back to the previous CRT and is fair, and makes sense.

I just disagree with the original CRT where Imaginary Space is above the Tree because of the Imaginary Singularity (The Cocoon of Finality is the Imaginary Singularity).

Gotta love Hoyo

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Also found some secret ancient R > F for Honkai impact

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

I'm not ignoring, those are pre-chapter 35 lore. The newer lore of the Cocoon from the Daughter of Sea is chapter 39. It just very inconsistent if you take both lore into account.

No it's not, lol. It's from Part 1.5. Kiana is directly stated to transcend all dimensions as she's equal to the cocoon.

Transcendence of dimensional difference, IE: 2D to 3D. Is uncountably infinite. So no amount of finite energy gathering would make you +1D unless it is infinite*Infinite.

Also sounds like you're saying Sa's energy gathering amounted to nothing because the Cocoon is dimensionally superior.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

No it's not, lol. It's from Part 1.5. Kiana is directly stated to transcend all dimensions as she's equal to the cocoon.

Then why did Seele and Vita's conversations contradict the Cocoon superiority? I would think that Schrodinger only refers to the dimension as in the worlds of bubble universes. As it is also refer that one of the other ways of replicating Durandal feat being "Stand fully independent of the proper worlds."

I think we must beat up Mihoyo writer for this inconsistency.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Also sounds like you're saying Sa's energy gathering amounted to nothing because the Cocoon is dimensionally superior.

Unless it is infinite*infinite? It is very weird qualification in the wiki, since absorbing higher D energy would make you higher D but not in actual AP unless it is proved that you would at least affect higher Dimensional structure meaningfully.

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

I would think that Schrodinger only refers to the dimension as in the worlds of bubble universes. As it is also refer that one of the other ways of replicating Durandal feat being "Stand fully independent of the proper worlds."

I think we must beat up Mihoyo writer for this inconsistency.

Why would Vita know of the full power of the cocoon? She's just a puppet made by Sa. Also it's verbatim stated 'transcend all dimensions' and that's how replicating Durandal's feat of attaching a bubble universe to the Tree would be possible when the bubble universe they're in is in the Sea.

The other solution was a Herrscher of the SoQ, a Herrscher authority not dependent on the world, likely meaning the Cocoon of Finality formed a connection with that bubble universe as the Herrscher Cores connect to the Imaginary Singularity, the Cocoon.
Stand fully independent of proper worlds just means making a connection to the Tree, a proper world is something connected to the tree. To stand independent of it and not have the bubble universe disintegrate into the SoQ you'd have to stabilise the world through an ether anchor or the cocoon. The previous era's herrscher of the end also accomplished this feat as a bubble universe replica of the moon survived to the present era and was present in chapter 33/34.

'Then why did Seele and Vita's conversations contradict the Cocoon superiority?'

Probably some context they're missing. Vita is just a puppet of Sa at that point and Seele wasn't really present throughout the moon arc. We know hoyo writes like this and uses individual character's interpretations which gets really annoying sometimes.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Why would Vita know of the full power of the cocoon? She's just a puppet made by Sa. Also it's verbatim stated 'transcend all dimensions' and that's how replicating Durandal's feat of attaching a bubble universe to the Tree would be possible when the bubble universe they're in is in the Sea.

The other solution was a Herrscher of the SoQ, a Herrscher authority not dependent on the world, likely meaning the Cocoon of Finality formed a connection with that bubble universe as the Herrscher Cores connect to the Imaginary Singularity, the Cocoon.
Stand fully independent of proper worlds just means making a connection to the Tree, a proper world is something connected to the tree. To stand independent of it and not have the bubble universe disintegrate into the SoQ you'd have to stabilise the world through an ether anchor or the cocoon. The previous era's herrscher of the end also accomplished this feat as a bubble universe replica of the moon survived to the present era and was present in chapter 33/34.

About all dimensions, I am searching the raw Chinese, since it is not once official translation ****** up. Vita literally told by Schrodinger about Cocoon being able to do that before Seele and Vita fight. All dimensions can still refer to paralle dimensions.
I'm watching this right now, Chapter 38 Act 3.

Probably some context they're missing. Vita is just a puppet of Sa at that point and Seele wasn't really present throughout the moon arc.

The VIta and Seele conversation (chapter 39 act 2) literally happened after the Schrodinger conversation, which early Vita and Seele is in (chapter 38 act 3). They should already know what Schrodinger is talking about. And that is contradiction.

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

About all dimensions, I am searching the raw Chinese, since it is not once official translation ****** up. Vita literally told by Schrodinger about Cocoon being able to do that before Seele and Vita fight. All dimensions can still refer to paralle dimensions.
I'm watching this right now, Chapter 38 Act 3.


The VIta and Seele conversation (chapter 39 act 2) literally happened after the Schrodinger conversation, which early Vita and Seele is in (chapter 38 act 3). They should already know what Schrodinger is talking about. And that is contradiction.

I have no clue then, provide the proper translation?

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

I have no clue then, provide the proper translation?

What do you think about Vita and Seele's conversations then? I still think they are contradiction since both party already know the Cocoon ability from Schrodinger, the exact transcend dimensions one.

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

What do you think about Vita and Seele's conversations then? I still think they are contradiction since both party already know the Cocoon ability from Schrodinger, the exact transcend dimensions one.

Well the contradictions still mean nothing as the Cocoon grants Otto power to manipulate the Imaginary Tree, is vastly superior to a Sa who absorbed energy for 250M years (against a Kiana who's been with the cocoon for 8 months) and we know it leeches Imaginary Energy off of the Tree / Imaginary Space and exists on / above it regardless thanks to the conversation with Eins.

So either the Cocoon is greater than the tree / imaginary space and therefore the sea, or you believe imaginary space is superior and the cocoon is above the sea / tree.

It's extremely evident that Seele and Vita's conversation is just an outlier.

 

[Mbpoops]

Here's my summary

Premise
---------
Imaginary space was originally L1-A accepted as per this thread
But it was later downgraded due to the misconception of Imaginary tree growing through 11D sea of quanta in this thread.

Current thread
---------------
I have proved that imaginary tree growing through sea of quanta is actually a localization error.

En localized scan that caused the downgrade

original CN scan

Anyone can clearly see that this is a misunderstanding. So we now know that the imaginary tree doesn't grow through 11D sea of quanta. But how is that makes Imaginary space L 1A, you might ask. This is a bit confusing since the terms are loosely used in different contexts.
The Imaginary Tree has two parts. One is real space where MWI happens and the other is imaginary space.
Imaginary sigularity exists in imaginary space as a fixed point, dimensionless and existing in all dimensions. This is what was argued in L1-A upgrade thread.
Since the tree no longer grew through 11D SoQ, downgrade thread becomes invalid and making imaginary space L1-A again.

What're the current problems discussed here?
--------------------------------------------------
1. Imaginary space is delimited to 11D if it's inside the tree and the tree is in rivalry with the sea.
Ans : As I've explained here, the tree's rivalry with the sea is about the process of leaf worlds falling into the sea and it's happening on real space level without including the imaginary space. Heck, the whole goal of project stigmata is to elavate humanity into imaginary space so that honkai won't destroy us.

2. Chaos is framed into space time
Ans : The text here literally said "Unconstrained by space-time". (But we are waiting TL request to be done to get better conclusion)


You guys can tell me to list more problems if I didn't address them but that's all I can think so far.

Current mods' evaluation:
@Reiner04 seems to agree with 1-A yog sothoth and waiting the consensus to be reached about Low 1-A matter.
@Vietthai96 doesn't say anything about 1-A yog sothoth but seems to disagree with Low 1-A.

gonna bump this cause it seems we got a bit off track

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Well the contradictions still mean nothing as the Cocoon grants Otto power to manipulate the Imaginary Tree, is vastly superior to a Sa who absorbed energy for 250M years (against a Kiana who's been with the cocoon for 8 months) and we know it leeches Imaginary Energy off of the Tree / Imaginary Space and exists on / above it regardless thanks to the conversation with Eins.

So either the Cocoon is greater than the tree / imaginary space and therefore the sea, or you believe imaginary space is superior and the cocoon is above the sea / tree.

It's extremely evident that Seele and Vita's conversation is just an outlier.

I don't think they are outlier? Since they are back and forth discussing pre battle and post battle, plus an actual flashback to Venus.

 

[Weaver261]

Spoiler: Abyss Equal Finality

Spoiler: CoF getting washed up by a tsunami lmao

Chapter 39, Daughter of the Sea Act 2.

Yeah, CoF ain't above the SoQ, kek

Tsunami happened in the soul system which is just virtual space where data lifes are stored. And it only wipe out the spawns of CoF and not CoF itself.

'''▇▇▇’s Image:''' As long as we completely remove the efficiency restriction on the Soul system…

'''▇▇▇’s Image:''' …Even the data lifeforms that the Abyss spawns will not be able to escape.

CoF no longer invades Venus since everyone on the planet got wiped out by SoQ tsunami.

 

[SuperNova55555]

You mean the Venus that lost against the cocoon? A weaker cocoon, might I add? To substantiate this, if the Cocoon didn't get stronger during its time on Earth then Sa would've been an equal (or superior) to the Cocoon. She was absorbing power from the SoQ for 250 million years.

So was this Cocoon affected by SoQ or not?

 

[SuperNova55555]

Also I’m not sure why 1-A is being discussed here. Just this alone is problematic:

we know it leeches Imaginary Energy off of the Tree / Imaginary Space and exists on / above it regardless thanks to the conversation with Eins.

It’s not js weird that it has to absorb non-1-A Energy (and the complications that come with IE’s ontological status here) but it’s also an anti-feat for it to exist within Imaginary Space, or to extend to it in any way, even in a fragmented manner.

 

[Weaver261]

It’s not js weird that it has to absorb non-1-A Energy (and the complications that come with IE’s ontological status here) but it’s also an anti-feat for it to exist within Imaginary Space, or to extend to it in any way, even in a fragmented manner.

Mind telling me what is it being discussed here? I am not really following

 

[SuperNova55555]

Mind telling me what is it being discussed here? I am not really following

Cocoon being 1-A supposedly

 

[Weaver261]

Cocoon being 1-A supposedly

What? This isn't even in the OP. How we came to this? Shouldn't cocoon just be L1-A for residing in imaginary space?

 

[SuperNova55555]

What? This isn't even in the OP. How we came to this? Shouldn't cocoon just be L1-A for residing in imaginary space?

No we pretty much concluded IS has to be on the same dimensionality as IT, so it can’t be Low 1-A. The other supporters are arguing that the Cocoon transcends IS, which I don’t believe is fully true or at least the way it’s presented cannot upscale Cocoon.

 

[Weaver261]

IS has to be on the same dimensionality as IT

How? Because it's stated to be within the realms of IT? Isn't it stated in the same chapter that Imaginary tree Otto was talking about is a higher realm unrelated to 4D space time? I am really confused

 

[SuperNova55555]

How? Because it's stated to be within the realms of IT? Isn't it stated in the same chapter that Imaginary tree Otto was talking about is a higher realm unrelated to 4D space time? I am really confused

No, it’s higher than 4D (Real Space) since both IT and IS are fundamentally above it. Issue is that a lot of times IT is used interchangeably with IS, like in the Durandal statements for example (and we also checked CN).

So we’re going with the assertion that IS is just the “bulk” where IT is located in.

 

[Weaver261]

So we’re going with the assertion that IS is just the “bulk” where IT is located in.

So how is that make IS not Low 1-A? Because of the rivalry stuffs? I've explained that it's just a flowery language to describe the leaf worlds falling into the sea unrelated to imaginary space.

 

[SuperNova55555]

So how is that make IS not Low 1-A? Because of the rivalry stuffs? I've explained that it's just a flowery language to describe the leaf worlds falling into the sea unrelated to imaginary space.

IT is explicitly a dimensional construct.

 

[Weaver261]

IT is explicitly a dimensional construct.

IT is a dimensional construct but imaginary space is implictly stated to trascends all dimensions via cocoon tho?? I still don't understand why Imaginary space wouldn't be Low 1-A just because IS and IT are sometime interchangable. Beside, imaginary tree is not even a literal construct. Imaginary tree is two part, one is real space and the other imaginary space. If you exclude 4D space time, all that left is Imaginary space. you can't really diferentiate imaginary tree and imaginary space in that area

 

[SuperNova55555]

IT is a dimensional construct but imaginary space is implictly stated to trascends all dimensions via cocoon tho?? I still don't understand why Imaginary space wouldn't be Low 1-A just because IS and IT are sometime interchangable. Beside, imaginary tree is not even a literal construct. Imaginary tree is two part, one is real space and the other imaginary space. If you exclude 4D space time, all that left is Imaginary space. you can't really diferentiate imaginary tree and imaginary space in that area

Cocoon being within IS is the exact issue here lmao. Because as you said right there, the only way IS can be above dimensions is via the Cocoon. And that’s where the issue lies, it’s only the Cocoon that has these statements, not Imaginary Space. All Imaginary Space has is it having interchangeable functions and status as the higher-dimensional Tree. (I alr made the distinction between the 4D Real Space and the higher-dimensional Imaginary Space/Tree.)

In fact, the way Cocoon transcends dimensions is js by being a dimensionless point within Imaginary Space lol, so it’s literally saying that it’s an aspatiotemporal or adimensional being existing in some sense within a higher-dimensional space, not that the higher-dimensional space is itself adimensional. The way the scans explain it is similar to how a 0-dimensional point lacks dimensions in comparison to other objects within the same coordinate grid.

 

[Weaver261]

so it’s literally saying that it’s an aspatiotemporal or adimensional being existing in some sense within a higher-dimensional space, not that the higher-dimensional space is itself adimensional. The way the scans explain it is similar to how a 0-dimensional point lacks dimensions in comparison to other objects within the same coordinate grid.

It's different from what you claimed before

If you did read them, then the following points will be made clear:

1. The Imaginary Singularity lacks all dimensional information.
2. It does not exist in real space (instead, in Imaginary Space), so it corresponds to no specific spatial coordinate in corporeal space. (It is not literally a 0-dimensional point.)
3. As it is Imaginary, it cannot be ordered in size in any meaningful way. That is, we can say that 1 < 2 in the set of Real Numbers, but no such principle applies for Imaginary Space, meaning quantitive distinction is delimited within here.
4. All Real Space flows from the Imaginary Singularity, meaning it itself cannot be qualified as a spatial object, given also the fact that it does not even exist as a coordinate in Real Space to begin with.
5. It is simultaneously connected to every spatial dimension.
6. EDIT: Imaginary Space is also the place where the essences of all things in the Universe exist and where all eventually converge into unity.

The scan also literally stated that it's not even a real point.

 

[SuperNova55555]

It's different from what you claimed before

1) I can change my mind whenever I want
2) There’s a reason I specified “similar” because the Cocoon is not a physical constituent of these spaces like a 0-dimensional point is (otherwise it’d be js as spatiotemporal), it js extends to them in some arbitrary sense.

 

[Weaver261]

Well, I am not really an expert of these things so I will leave Low 1-A evalulation for staffs to decide. I don't provide anything new since I am just reusing Nova's old argument. Whether their change of mind is actually valid or not, I have no way of knowing by myself.

For the staff, please read this thread since the downgrade that occured later was due to mistranslation error and this should still be valid.

For the chaos stuffs, I will just wait for Translation request to be done. But since Chaos serves as a background where Yog Sothoth can actualize anything and everything with the power of definition, by extension and implication, should include all possible dimenisional spaces if the translation about chaos being unconstrained by time and space is correct.

Language frames the world, words make the rules, and so space and time are framed beyond this.

You, for example, are looking at this line of text, and as I am, looking at you through this line of text.

This is how divine power works. Humans get old, their hair grays, but how about the world within words? This is the divine power of God, "description", or "definition". The only way to define the boundaries is to transcend them, and because we are free from all things, we can create all things, and so all things are born in our hands.

Many people through the ages have expressed their ideas through words, seeing them as tools, but they had not imagined that the real world is born from words, so just one word may contribute to the rise of a universe from the concept of chaos, and then fixate it, so it never perishes again.

—This is the divine power itself that God has given us, but unfortunately the vast majority of people can only use it ignorantly, even ignoring it's spirituality.

Now, use it to create your world, unconstrained by time and space, eternally independent world.

As a divinity symbolizing the primordial state of all things, Chaos ought to be both nothingness and the embodiment of everything

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Tsunami happened in the soul system which is just virtual space where data lifes are stored. And it only wipe out the spawns of CoF and not CoF itself.

CoF no longer invades Venus since everyone on the planet got wiped out by SoQ tsunami.

is there more scans about it? since the statements are directly mentioning Cocoon

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Okay i found more quotes:

Spoiler: COF YAP

▇▇▇’s Image: Yes. Humans… can definitely gain victory over the Abyss.

▇▇▇: …

The recording seemingly cut abruptly at that point.

But, when the projection disappeared, new figures followed…

Marah’s Image: Come and look… This is the first piece of footage received from Area 26.

Norton’s Image: Could… Could this be…

Tyler’s Image: It’s a Star Gnawer-class Abyssal Beast… No, it could be an even higher-leveled one… We’ve never encountered it before…

Tyler’s Image: Darn it! We already possess energy for half an eternity, why can’t we defend ourselves from the clutches of the Abyss?!

Marah’s Image: Every time we have a technological breakthrough, the Abyss will send stronger followers… An endless vicious cycle.

Tyler’s Image: Director, we can’t wait for death like this!

▇▇▇’s Image: …You’re right.

▇▇▇’s Image: Since the Abyss persists, then we… Won’t stop here either.

▇▇▇’s Image: It’s no longer enough to rely solely on the guidance that research provides to gather energy from the sea. We cannot keep up with the rate that the Abyss is growing at.

▇▇▇’s Image: We need to access everyone… Access the thoughts of every life on this planet, to calculate and change humanity’s future.

▇▇▇’s Image: That’s right, just as we had experimented before…

▇▇▇’s Image: Use the prayers of all lives to rescue our home.

The projection ended. The next part began playing seamlessly…

▇▇▇’s Image: We… have not lost to the Abyss yet.

Marah’s Image: …?

▇▇▇’s Image: As long as we completely remove the efficiency restriction on the Soul system…

▇▇▇’s Image: …Even the data lifeforms that the Abyss spawns will not be able to escape.

Marah’s Image: But that way… When receiving that level of guidance, what kind of power will flood out from the sea? We won’t be able to control it at all!

▇▇▇’s Image: Yes, that’s precisely it! The sea is the only thing the Abyss cannot control!

Marah: Tell me, ▇▇▇… That day, when you realised that you were the only person who survived on this planet, what were you thinking?

▇▇▇: Hmm, that happened so many years ago. Let’s see…

▇▇▇: After I woke up, I ran to all the places I could reach… the research center, shelter, city ruins, the lonely wilderness…

▇▇▇: I spent a very long time, but I never found another living human or creature again. In the end, I ran to where you are standing now, crying and laughing… I don’t remember how long I stayed that way.

▇▇▇: Ultimately, I ran back to the research center and stared at the Soul system in a daze. You and the others… All the human consciousness that had been backed up… strangely did not disappear.

▇▇▇: And even stranger… The Abyss’ effects had completely vanished… into thin air.

▇▇▇: You should be able to imagine… what happened after, right?

Marah: After you ascertained that there was no more threat from the Abyss, you completed the life simulation system and uploaded those backed up consciousness.

▇▇▇: Yes. This was originally one of our backup plans anyway, no? Look, even though I was on the brink of breaking down, I still carried out my duty~

Marah: …I can’t see how you were anywhere close to “breaking down”.

▇▇▇: Time. Time will heal all wounds. This saying is cliche, but those who have truly experienced it will understand the meaning behind it.

▇▇▇: To the current me, the past is but a nightmare. After I woke, there was still fear in my heart, but not to the extent of absolute devastation.

▇▇▇: Why did the Abyss possess such tremendous energy? Why could a single researcher fix and reconstruct everything before our eyes, even after all the hardware facilities and information had been destroyed?

Marah: You…

▇▇▇: The Abyss is not mysterious, it’s just too complex, that’s all.

▇▇▇: Thanks to the Soul system’s max efficiency operation, the sea responded to my prayers when the tsunami occurred…

▇▇▇: Ah, that sounds too conceited. After all, unlike the Abyss, the sea does not truly respond to anyone… I’m just an unfortunately lucky person.

▇▇▇: But Marah, we fulfilled our promise…

▇▇▇: Even though it cost us almost everything, humanity has won against the Abyss.

▇▇▇: Look, the tsunami has ended so many years ago… and the Abyss has yet to return.

Vita: See, I told you I was a venusian, and I wasn’t exactly lying, right?

Seele: You guys are… Venusians, but also faced the Honkai and went against the Cocoon of Finality.

Vita: Yeah, although we were more used to calling it the Abyss. And our home planet, Venus, was called Purusha. It means “home of humans”.

Vita: Heh, looks like our civilisation isn’t as poetic as yours. Venus, Earth… Such meaningful names.

The way Abyss aka Cocoon invading Venus, and the way the guys also talk about abyss sending out waves of monsters and destroying entire civlizations seems to talk exact way the honkai invades earth, so theres no definitive statement that CoF itself was completely swept away, but rather that all the honkai that invaded Venus which came from cocoon were swept away and because of that CoF stopped attacking Venus, this would also mean that CoF just target planets one by one which after failing to assimilate Venus it went straight to earth.
Even then the part 2 is still on the glazing part where CoF is now beyond space and time and completely transcends you.
and yea this yap comes from chapter 39

 

[SuperNova55555]

I think this is so funny because even if we grant all the inconsistencies and whatnot and assume Cocoon is L1A or 1A or smthn, it’s causal power would still quite literally be delimited by the Tree’s Imaginary Energy and that it explicitly is incapable of affecting “lower realities” like SoQ:

▇▇▇’s Image: Yes, that’s precisely it! The sea is the only thing the Abyss cannot control!

So it’d be “Low 1-A but actually caps at 5D”

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I think this is so funny because even if we grant all the inconsistencies and whatnot and assume Cocoon is L1A or 1A or smthn, it’s causal power would still quite literally be delimited by the Tree’s Imaginary Energy and that it explicitly is incapable of affecting “lower realities” like SoQ:

So it’d be “Low 1-A but actually caps at 5D”

i mean weaver is pushing low 1-A soq so idk bro

 

[SuperNova55555]

i mean weaver is pushing low 1-A soq so idk bro

The same “beyond-dimensional SoQ” which bubble worlds inherit their 11 dimensions from? P and not-P lelelel.

The same “beyond-dimensional” SoQ in rivalry with the higher-dimensional IT?

 

[Weaver261]

it explicitly is incapable of affecting “lower realities” like SoQ:

Sa: However, this body will eventually reach its limits, and will be unable to bear any more energy flow.

Sa: When that moment comes, I will build a new vessel within the sea and imbue it with my consciousness to control all the energy.

Sa who absorbed the energy of SoQ unable to maintain her existence as physical being, later becomes someone similar to Su.

The energy came from the depths of sea of quanta which is referred to as the void. Since Sa and Vita can interact with Su above the sea, it's likely they are in the same plane of existence not to even mentione their similar incoporeal states.

I bid farewell to the Void with my freedom.