Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

[Reiner04]

The problem is not here. The problem is that the person who reported me now referred to the Questions and Answers thread about Yogiri being +H1A that I opened about two weeks ago or a very long time ago. This was before the last report made against me by Dark_Soul20189. When that person reported me the last time, he also mentioned this thread in his report, and it was rejected and the issue was resolved. The warning came since that time, yet now he is returning to that old thread and using it as evidence. On top of that, it does not violate the rules, and he even says that it violates the rules because of his behavior, even though he himself was warned the last time. Moreover, this thread was originally created before the last warning and was already mentioned in my previous report. Aside from everything I just explained, it is not a violation.

There is one issue I would like to bring to your attention before it's too late. This isn't a warning or anything, but please keep it in mind. I have noticed you making comments like, "This is irrefutable and cannot be debunked, so don't refute it." or smth like that, Such statements are unreasonable. Even if you believe your arguments are irrefutable, you must remain open minded and listen to other people's points and give them a chance. We cannot simply make a hasty generalization and shut down discussion. That's all.

 

[Nonynho]

Hey, i will no longer wait to see what this person will have to say around here, i will instead make a post here putting what i feel like is wrong to assess if i'm the wrong one or if i am right to say that this behaviour from @Chariot190 towards me is not cool. With the text below i would like to:

1. Get @Chariot190 as an ignored user for my profile as i do not wish to interact with them any longer, regardless of other results this post may bring;
2. Know if i'm wrong in the matchmaking of the first part of this, which will need a read of the now-necro'd thread i will bring up in a bit;
3. Know if this uninvited heatness in @Chariot190's behaviour is warranting of a report, as i legitimaly do not seek to make false accusations but this 100% feels wrong and deserving of at least looking here about what transpired.

Previously, we had very few short interactions across the years i'm here in the wiki, nothing to note unless they want to talk about something that i can't recall in the slightest.

Then i had the idea to try and create a versus match (now necro'd so if anyone can lock it i'd be thankful) of Toru vs Lelouch, after changed to Kishibe Rohan vs Lelouch. As everyone that creates matches involving characters they favor, i made a match aiming for it to be addable to profiles and i think it'd be cool if it was Inconclusive. As i don't feel like that is something to hide, i spoke openly about it. The heated behaviour of Chariot started in this thread when they* had interactions with clearly-joke-posts from @ShionAH, where my intervention in the debate was in the line of "please stop it", but the sparks with me started when discussing that i thought the match should result in an incon. I don't particularly like the tone of the messages i'll quote below

No it doesn't, why are you spreading misinfo?[...]
He actually does, not on his page (this matters in a bit)[...]Unless you want to argue he isn't a Stand User?[...]
Are you reading the profiles?
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Don't try to backpedal now like you aren't forcing anything[...]

You say you need every OP condition to avoid the stomp.
You say you made those conditions "for fun" to get an incon.

Then you turn around and claim you're not forcing anything?

Like my dude are you reading what you're typing?[...]

(this one is after i say i didn't know the character has an ability because the verse-specific power is not listed in the profile
No, that's not an excuse.

If you're going to argue a Stand dude and you claim you're "using profiles only", then read the general ability page, you don't get to ignore the universal Stand-user slop, act surprised later, and then blame the profile for "not telling you". That's on you for not reading the pages you're basing your argument on.[...]

No. I'm not taking that attitude "elsewhere"
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Last I checked, it is very much considered immoral under wiki rules to avoid making matches set up to force a specific outcome in mind[...]

Honestly I'm inquiring this, this is def some extremely poor match behavior. The type of shit people have been match banned over.[...]


Tf are you doing dude? You've gone on record enough now to get yourself outright banned from making matches, basically Robo behavior without being funny about it, people have been banned for doing the exact same thing.
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This last excerpt is what got me specially mad because i am not one to make false accusations out of nowhere and it gets me very angry to see someone pulling a false accusation up at me.
We can debate whatever, whenever, but saying i should be match-creation-banned out of nowhere? Just because? And right after all of those examples of bad attitude?
Even if some mod gets here to tell me that actually this match was wrong and i should have a warning about it, that is not at all ok to go on saying in that tone specially when nobody invited this kind of spark to the discussion.

Then, i lost interest because toxic behaviour took my mood of trying anything in the match. It is now a necro and i've been avoiding looking at JoJo and Metal Gear since i know this person will be there (I came to a match, invited by a friendly colleague and to this moment am surprised that no sparks flied there, and frankly am waiting for this possibility since it ain't over).

Little did i know that they have interest for Resident Evil too, where i created a mirror match. They went there, made a comment starting with "Remake should win", i misunderstood him as a voter for this side, and boom.

Read everything I said following that and then give me a damn good reason not to get a mod in here.
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(this one to me is quite obviously too much simply because of counting a vote, something that generates no practical consequences, easily undone and what made me think it is necessary to have them as an ignored user for me, as human beings are entitled to honest mistakes and i do not seek to interact any longer with people who think it is necessary to search for this level of punishment for one)

Your failure to read what I said properly shouldn't be other people's problems. It is your job to not pull that shit, this ain't even the 1st time. Also, if you constantly partake in suspicious behavior, yeah that ain't on me, you've just been kind of being sus lately idk what you expect from me there, stop being sus ig[...]

Nothing's actually changed. What I've said here doesn't effect whether I'm a good or bad debater, the fact you think it does tells me a wee bit to much about how you go about things, but that's completely irrelevant to this thread, what you've been as of late, and whether or not I consider something notable enough to mention to a mod to mayhaps get it reviewed.
[post link]

(Again with threats to call mod and saying a misbehaviour of mine is worthy of mod intervention? What misbehaviour are them even talking about? I am not their friend but it is definetely not me who's starting things by being un-friendly)


I am definetely not here to say he should be banned, and it is for mods to judge if i'm also a wrong one here. If the latter is the case for the matchmaking part, i'd like to have a nice debate about it, what i think it deserves.

Anyway, thanks for the attention and for the time.

 

[FinePoint]

@Chariot190
What say you in your defense?

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

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This might not be completely related and before I get onto the main discussion at hand I want to clarify that what I’m doing isn’t a report. It’s merely raising awareness since I deem such absolutely necessary and have for a while.

Now, as many of you understandably don’t know I am who will from time to time read over a variety of diverse threads. Whether they’re recent or old as I do find reading within powerscaling context to be quite interesting. You could even say a side hobby and during my time doing so, I have come to notice that there have been quite a few instances where Chariot comes across as daunting. Simply said. It was over here where Chariot made a comment that was frankly put, unneeded. I am not saying Chariot couldn’t have made a response back. I do feel like a response itself to the user Chariot replied to was warranted, what I have an issue with is the tone. We can see in Chariot’s comment that he seems quite aggressive. This may be up for interpretation but where Chariot mentions that he doesn’t want people complaining when he essentially makes a counter response. That part is cool. Im aware that Chariot typically likes to write scriptures worth of text. The issue is the “got it” part. You got your point across the first time. That didn’t need to be said and that was said because he let his anger get the better of him and I may be incorrect since I’m solely going based off memory but Chariot has a track record of inability to control himself allowing for rudeness to be spewed.

What makes this transparently worse is that Chariot made it clear he wasn’t just referring to @LordDestroit10K, but the entirety of those in favour with the CRT as he says “chat.” Not only is it extremely unneeded and undoubtedly rude it’s rude to everyone else showing favoured engagement towards the CRT.

In the very same CRT I had some thoughts. I’m aware his comment exudes aggression but is it worth mentioning? It was pedalling in my mind and ultimately I decided that it would be best to mention and so I did. I was then replied to by @AmonInChains who claimed I was trying to make Chariot look bad when that was never the case. What me and essentially all members in this Wiki want is respect, integrity and moderate language. What I called out which had nothing to be with manipulation or deception or even negative portrayal was all out of moral and maturity. It’s also really strange how AmonInChains addresses it as “crap” when something like that should logically never be seen as that. It’s not crap. While it’s not the worst thing it’s not nothing. I also seriously dislike how AmonInChains wanted to report me for derailing which wasn’t in my intention. Can that even be labelled as derailing? Whether Chariot himself replied to me or not I would’ve emphasised that it’d be my last comment on that very topic.

I also have to hold myself accountable since I made two comments I feel as though were smug and unnecessary. Here and here. While I won’t say my comment on anticipating Amon would comment is entirely wrong I would like to apologise. I made that comment since I had noticed a pattern with Amon and Chariot. Now, I by no means know what relationship Amon and Chariot have, whether they’re acquainted or friends but the pattern I saw was Amon constantly protecting Chariot when it came to matters like these. I will say this since I do have some experience in these circumstances outside of the Wiki however, eventually there will come a time when you’ll need to call your friend out on a specific way they’ve been acting as you know it’s unhealthy or merely toxic. If we allow this behavioural pattern to happen without end it leads to no development or sorrowful actions.

The other issue I have with Chariot is how he would often use the term “goons” I am already aware Chariot hasn’t been using the term ever 2025. I mean it when I say that I am glad because as far as I know and everyone else knows, “goon(s)” has never had any positive connotations. Especially when it’s being used to address supporters. I feel as though it’s much more convenient and easier if we call Verse supporters…supporters. It seriously makes our lives easier and diminishes the chances of accusations of being hasty thrown about. Onto the main point of this paragraph. It was here where Chariot used “goons” to address DB supporters where I mentioned prior, is very degrading and somewhat belittling in the context we have. Now I have mentioned that Chariot hasn’t been using the word anymore but as I said, this was something that flew off the radar. Chariot and co, I’m sure you already know this but upgrading a verse doesn’t make you exempt from criticism. It’s really odd to mention your previous upgrades since it’s not as though it’s some barrier. That said, your comment on remembering what @ChoursDropoff states seems very spiteful. One person’s comment doesn’t allow you to potentially spite downgrade or even harbour any anger or hatred for another user. Well you can have resentment or dislike for one user but it’s best you keep it subtle. I’m also not a fan of the generalised comment Chours made since not all comic book fans are like that but my point still stands.

That’ll be all and if there are any typos or errors with links I am incredibly sorry. Please let me know so I can edit them. Thank you for your time.

 

[TheGatememer]

Not to throw more dirt on the pile, but I think Chariot needs to be told to just chill in general.
For instance, just the other day, he was being needlessly aggressive towards @Lacku for what is comparatively minor offense (ie, changing the renders on a profile without a CRT. The changes were already undone, and Lacku has already apologized, but take that as you will)

Here's a link to the whole conversation for the full context, but here are some snippets:

Hey dude, newsflash, you're not allowed to ******* do that.**** with it gain and I'll report you, and actively push for a punishment as well, now fix it before I report you anyway.

Genius over there decided to **** with, and delete renders and shit. No CRT, no discussion either, who tf decided to put them in charge? Rhetorical, nobody. Honestly I'm notifying mods regardless, I didn't waste my time doing that shit for someone to take matters into their own hands with zero permission to do so.

Oh right, nice job ******* up the sizes by the way, as if the sizes weren't set to have them line up with the summary so there wasn't just a whole giant empty gap of empty space and to line up with standard 100% default web browser zoom in, but **** me I guess, not like shit wasn't done a certain way on purpose.

 

[Dalesean027]

The other issue I have with Chariot is how he would often use the term “goons” I am already aware Chariot hasn’t been using the term ever 2025. I mean it when I say that I am glad because as far as I know and everyone else knows, “goon(s)” has never had any positive connotations.

Will wait to comment on anything else but calling people goons or just saying goons isn't a anything report worthy, that's such a common term and isn't even something inherently bad.

This is one of those things where I'd say grow a thicker skin but I don't even think that applies here, thats just having basic social interaction. Goons genuinely isn't even a negative word lol


Type in goons on the seach bar on this very forum and see how common it is to say

 

[KingTempest]

I'll say it

Grow thicker skin

Why are people being reported for addressing people as goons?

 

[Dalesean027]

Like legit some of this is valid but half is just being upset and Chariot's more blunt and matter of fact demeanor rather than anything actually report worthy, he's not necessarily wrong to be calling out some of the stuff he is or holding people to certain standards with the information on profiles or people doing sneaky or ratty stuff etc. Etc. In some of these cases where people aren't doing things properly.

The goons bit tho...just nuke that whole bit

 

[Da3ggman]

Why are we still talking about the goon stuff like it’s a point against him? We had the exact same discussion about it last year.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Grow thicker skin? I don’t think that’s fair to say at all. You do realise some people are just sensitive right? As adults which I believe most people are including myself I think it’s a very valuable life skill to be emotionally smart. Being or attempting to be emotionally smart requires and revolves knowing whenever your comments are seen as too much or too little depending on the situation you’re in. In this situation it really has nothing to do with me having to grow a pair or other said users who bothered by “goons” having to grow a pair. It’s rereading your comment even if it’s consisting in multiple times and knowing whenever to conduct yourself in a nicer manner. I’m aware emotional control can be difficult but it’s something that’s still possible within everyone. Plus I’m not talking about other people I’m talking about Chariot. Also no, goons has never had any real positive connotations. Can I actually see a certified definition showing it’s synonymous to referencing others as supporters or just people? Because I’m seriously not convinced

 

[Dalesean027]

Grow thicker skin? I don’t think that’s fair to say at all. You do realise some people are just sensitive right? As adults which I believe most people are including myself I think it’s a very valuable life skill to be emotionally smart. Being or attempting to be emotionally smart requires and revolves knowing whenever your comments are seen as too much or too little depending on the situation you’re in. In this situation it really has nothing to do with me having to grow a pair or other said users who bothered by “goons” having to grow a pair. It’s rereading your comment even if it’s consisting in multiple times and knowing whenever to conduct yourself in a nicer manner. I’m aware emotional control can be difficult but it’s something that’s still possible within everyone. Plus I’m not talking about other people I’m talking about Chariot. Also no, goons has never had any real positive connotations. Can I actually see a certified definition showing it’s synonymous to referencing others as supporters or just people? Because I’m seriously not convinced

Type in goons on the seach bar on this very forum and see how common it is to say

Dawg its time to have some uncomfortable talks then about many dozens of people who use the word everyday on wiki or in casual conversation

Ig i should be reported for how much I say goons too?

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Why are we still talking about the goon stuff like it’s a point against him? We had the exact same discussion about it last year.

I’d urge you to please reread what I said. I’m not holding Chariot FULLY accountable. I quite clearly said it wasn’t addressed in earlier reports which is why I’m mentioning it now. Not ONLY does Chariot call others goons which you know by now it has some spiteful intent in that very same comment which isn’t okay regardless of one’s mood. I repeat I already KNOW which is why I mentioned what you just mentioned in my report. I’m not clueless.

 

[Chariot190]

@Chariot190
What say you in your defense?

My defense?
Don't make deliberate spiteful threads, do not make threads with the clear goal of having a specific outcome planned and setting it up so that specific outcome is forced.
Don't miscount votes, actually read what people say, of course I'm going to call it out when they on record stated they fish for specific match outcomes for fun and make threads specifically to force a specific outcomes, I simply can't trust them anymore on that regard. Kind of shot that down themselves.

Honestly the fact I'm being reported for calling out other rule breaking is absurd because I said I'd likely notify a mod over it.

Like at least report me over something that isn't literally within my right.

Like the shit Gatememer posted, sure that's actually me being mean I'll admit, and that's also not exactly a standard case though.
I was kind of mad given I spent dozens of hours rendering shit pixel by pixel, made a CRT to get it accepted, and then some dude just goes and deletes it without making a CRT because "idk i personally didnt like it" as if that's how it works here, technically speaking it was in response to rule breaking and nothing I said was factually wrong, even if worded abrasively but I'll apologize for that. Though that's also a bit of an extreme case, not me going "hey dude, stop making match ups and then admitting to on purpose setting it up so a specific outcome is forced and then doubling down on it, that's sus". Like it is idk what ya'll want me to say.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I'll say it

Grow thicker skin

Why are people being reported for addressing people as goons?

That's not all Chariot is being reported for.

Like legit some of this is valid but half is just being upset and Chariot's more blunt and matter of fact demeanor rather than anything actually report worthy, he's not necessarily wrong to be calling out some of the stuff he is or holding people to certain standards with the information on profiles or people doing sneaky or ratty stuff etc. Etc. In some of these cases where people aren't doing things properly.

The goons bit tho...just nuke that whole bit

Respectfully, how does being right about a situation equate to a free ticket to behave however you want?

If you admitted to a portion of these concerns being valid, how is it helpful really to not address them and instead focus on downplaying what you feel is a weaker complaint?

I don't think using the word goon is damning behavior, but it's slightly concerning when complaints are immeadiately met with moderators hyper focusing on what is optics wise the weakest complaints rather than take the entirety of it seriously.

 

[Chariot190]

I’d urge you to please reread what I said. I’m not holding Chariot FULLY accountable. I quite clearly said it wasn’t addressed in earlier reports which is why I’m mentioning it now. Not ONLY does Chariot call others goons which you know by now it has some spiteful intent in that very same comment which isn’t okay regardless of one’s mood. I repeat I already KNOW which is why I mentioned what you just mentioned in my report. I’m not clueless.

And I haven't in months because Agnaa said people didn't like it, and because people used their words, I stopped saying it?

Though, it literally never had any spiteful intent, that's just people looking into slang a bit to deep, basically just a shoe-in with "bro" or "man" imo, just a word of referral, but all the same, it was stopped because apparently people view the funny word as insulting so, well that's why you use your words and just ask "hey man dont do that i dont like it if that's aight", and you will be accommodated.

 

[Random-Helper323]

I don't think calling people things is good in general. As insults go though, goon is pretty minor.

 

[Dalesean027]

Respectfully, how does being right about a situation equate to a free ticket to behave however you want?

Getting upset over spite matches and ratty behavior while also being valid in claims and calling out actual wrongs I think isn't the worst thing?
Like yeah if people are doing bad things purposely then its kinda normal to be upset at those things so I'm not sure how else ya want to go about that, you could complain that it wasn't said nicely but why should the same respect be given to someone who is already doing wrong actively and openly?

 

[Da3ggman]

I’d urge you to please reread what I said. I’m not holding Chariot FULLY accountable. I quite clearly said it wasn’t addressed in earlier reports which is why I’m mentioning it now. Not ONLY does Chariot call others goons which you know by now it has some spiteful intent in that very same comment which isn’t okay regardless of one’s mood. I repeat I already KNOW which is why I mentioned what you just mentioned in my report. I’m not clueless.

Evidently you kinda are, you gotta prove he was being spiteful when saying a word that he has said hundreds if not thousands of times in all forms of contexts and scenarios. It’s a part of his go-to vocabulary, and he’s said before he uses it interchangeably with something along the lines of “bro”. If people have a problem with it, say it to him, otherwise he’ll continue to do so, as he said above. Also he’s stopped saying it as of late, so it’s ultimately just digging up shit from months ago that he’s changed.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

I don't think calling people things is good in general. As insults go though, goon is pretty minor.

Minor is one way to put it if you’re ignoring all the times it was used, sure. We probably hold different reasoning and definitions but
I mean sure, if we’re blatantly ignoring all the times it was used I could say fair. What makes its usage with Chariot so severe is how frequently he used to use it followed with deplorable language but as I said and as Chariot said, he hasn’t used that word in months and I’m happy he hasn’t but there’s still a lot of things to unravel in my report. A minor insult is still an insult regardless. This is what I meant with controlling impulses and emotion. Instead of minor insults simplify or break it down even more. There’s no in between with insults. It’s either insulting or it’s not insulting. What I want and many others staff included of course since they’re apart of enforcing rules is for no one to be insulting anyone. I know that sort of expectation is frankly put, impossible but less and less people deciding to be insulting is a big improvement to begin with.

 

[DRW001]

Also no, goons has never had any real positive connotations. Can I actually see a certified definition showing it’s synonymous to referencing others as supporters or just people? Because I’m seriously not convinced

Just FYI, goons/gooners have 100% been used to refer to supporters with positive connotations in the real world, not just powerscaling. Supporters of one of the biggest sports club in the world are literally called 'gooners'.

I know that this point has been beaten to death now, but I feel like that is worth mentioning.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Getting upset over spite matches and ratty behavior while also being valid in claims and calling out actual wrongs I think isn't the worst thing?
Like yeah if people are doing bad things purposely then its kinda normal to be upset at those things so I'm not sure how else ya want to go about that, you could complain that it was said nicely but why should the same respect be given to someone who is already doing wrong actively and openly?

It sets a bad precedent where people feel justified in acting anyway they please purely because they belief site rules have been broken. Sure, you can be upset about it, but it creates a system where behavior is validated based on who was right and wrong in any given situation. Is someone right every time they assume a rule has been broken or they assume the intent of any one individual?

There was just recently a Dragon Ball upgrade thread where Chariot assumed the intention was a sneak upgrade, only for Qaw to have to come clarify that it was not.

In principle, I find it unproductive behavior to be allowed, especially from a nonstaff member.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

Okay. Then just go focus on the other two posts that say nothing about him using the term 'goon'. Hell, even Gamin's post only brings that up in the last 20-25% of it.

 

[Dalesean027]

It sets a bad precedent where people feel justified in acting anyway they please purely because they belief site rules have been broken. Sure, you can be upset about it, but it creates a system where behavior is validated based on who was right and wrong in any given situation. Is someone right time they assume a rule has been broken or they assume the intent of any one individual.

In principle, I find it unproductive behavior to be allowed, especially from a nonstaff member.

Sure yet you fail to mention how the others who even are at fault to begin with should be just as guilty here in that case then too for even prompting this and leading this on to begin with. No point in holding double standards since you're seemingly giving a pass to those who did do wrong because Chariot wasn't nice about calling out thier wrong?


I'd be more inclined to hear you out if your goal here wasn't so obviously to put sole blame and focus on one person instead of the whole who were in the wrong to begin with

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Just FYI, goons/gooners have 100% been used to refer to supporters with positive connotations in the real world, not just powerscaling. Supporters of one of the biggest sports club in the world are literally called 'gooners'.

I know that this point has been beaten to death now, but I feel like that is worth mentioning.

Gooners? I’m not sure we’re on the right page here. The only time I’ve seen Gooners being used is in a way I’d rather not cite but I’m sure we both share an idea of what I’m speaking about. These are one of those things where it’s very selective I guess you could say depending on what part of Social Media you used. I’ll be very honest I’ve never seen Goons or Gooners being used in that way but I’ll drop this since it seems to be going nowhere. I’ve also been corrected so there’s that, thanks to everyone who corrected me.

As for the logic behind Goons being dismissed because a plethora of other users uses it, no. We aren’t doing that, just because a massive quantity of users use an (insert offensive word) on the Wiki does not make it tolerable or okay. What the default action should be is disciplinary action. Making an example out of someone using a negatively/offensively meant word. Not only does it stop one person from insisting on utilising it but it acts as a deterrence for others effectively stopping it.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Sure yet you fail to mention how the others who even are at fault to begin with should be just as guilty here in that case then too for even prompting this and leading this on to begin with. No point in holding double standards since you're seemingly giving a pass to those who did do wrong because Chariot wasn't nice about calling out thier wrong?


I'd be more inclined to hear you out if your goal here wasn't so obviously to put sole blame and focus on one person instead of the whole who were in the wrong to begin with

Respectfully, I did no such thing.

I never excused anyone breaking any rules. I pointed out the flaws in the logic of 'oh they violated our standards that means its open season'. Yes, those breaking rules shouldn't be breaking rules, I never said otherwise.

Again, respectfully, this is exactly what I am talking about with assuming and applying motive and doing so incorrectly. I never justified people breaking rules or people making clear spite threads, but I did point out the flaws in being gung ho with such accusations and using that to justify any following aggression.

A violation in the rules doesn't justify another violation in the rules.

And give how quick the focus was put on the 'goon' thing, and how there has been a continuation avoidance of discussing what you admitted to be valid complaints, I don't think it particularly matters what is being brought up, it's all just a witch hunt against a specific user rather than multiple people bringing up examples of aggressive unproductive behavior.

 

[Dalesean027]

never excused anyone breaking any rules. I pointed out the flaws in the logic of 'oh they violated our standards that means its open season'. Yes, those breaking rules shouldn't be breaking rules, I never said otherwise.

Again, respectfully, this is exactly what I am talking about with assuming and applying motive and doing so incorrectly. I never justified people breaking rules or people making clear spite threads, but I did point out the flaws in being gung ho with such accusations and using that to justify any following aggression.

A violation in the rules doesn't justify another violation in the rules

Welp its a good thing I never said one thing justifies the other, I said getting upset over what he got upset over isn't the worst thing given the context behind it. Obviously some warnings have to be dished out but I never claimed it should be open season or that those who are at fault are allowed to be treated any kind of unfitting way. So if we can both agree there then that point can be dropped since neither of us said otherwise

And give how quick the focus was put on the 'goon' thing, and how there has been a continuation avoidance of discussing what you admitted to be valid complaints, I don't think it particularly matters what is being brought up, it's all just a witch hunt against a specific user rather than multiple people bringing up examples of aggressive unproductive behavior.

The original post was me pointing out a specifc weak aspect that was brought up as a side however my first sentence was that I'll wait to give my full thoughts or give a full comment until later so I can't comment on the focus shifting to that specifically for anyone else but regardless I'd say since there are faults on all sides here all parties should be getting reprimanded instead of a hunt for the one person who is responding to any instigations in the first place

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Rules exist to enforce quality, no one is exempt from them no matter the circumstance. A rule break doesn't justify another rule break, if it did we may as well not have them.

I do not get to behave however I please towards someone just because they broke the rules or if I believe them to have spiteful intentions. If I did I would rightfully be reported and this wouldn't be controversial.

Rules are rules, the point of them is that everyone abides by them.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Welp its a good thing I never said one thing justifies the other, I said getting upset over what he got upset over isn't the worst thing given the context behind it. Obviously some warnings have to be dished out but I never claimed it should be open season or that those who are at fault are allowed to be treated any kind of unfitting way. So if we can both agree there then that point can be dropped since neither of us said otherwise



The original post was me pointing out a specifc weak aspect that was brought up as a side however my first sentence was that I'll wait to give my full thoughts or give a full comment until later so I can't comment on the focus shifting to that specifically for anyone else but regardless I'd say since there are faults on all sides here all parties should be getting reprimanded instead of a hunt for the one person who is responding to any instigations in the first place

Fair enough.

 

[Chariot190]

I don't think calling people things is good in general. As insults go though, goon is pretty minor.

It wasn't used as a insult tho...
And also was mentioned like 6 months ago, in which I went aight, and haven't since outside of referring to my general group.

This might not be completely related and before I get onto the main discussion at hand I want to clarify that what I’m doing isn’t a report. It’s merely raising awareness since I deem such absolutely necessary and have for a while.

Awareness of a done and solved issue? Kind of feels like poisoning the well.

dbz

"You didn't reply or argue it"
"Damn ok I guess I will".
You are incorrect. People complain constantly about the length of my posts, every single time without fail, most notably a large group of the people in that thread personally have voiced complaints about it.

Complaining about me giving a simple disagreement as to avoid that, and acting like I didn't bother to rebuke anything or couldn't? Yeah, do not act surprised when by one's own volition a huge reply gets dropped then.
I don't want to hear the usual complaining if me disagreeing normally isn't sufficient apparently. Regardless, that isn't wrong, hostile, or anything of the sort.

Also, don't go by memory, go by fact. Also don't keep inserting your interpretations as fact into what was said, the vast majority of this is extrapolation you can't actually arrive at without just assuming things must be true because the actual post itself doesn't convey it whatsoever.

What makes this transparently worse is that Chariot made it clear he wasn’t just referring to @LordDestroit10K, but the entirety of those in favour with the CRT as he says “chat.” Not only is it extremely unneeded and undoubtedly rude it’s rude to everyone else showing favoured engagement towards the CRT.

Well no chat is also just slang, like general talking to the room.


Hell literally just type the word chat into search in the top corner, and you'd see it used constantly in this way. It's just common 2026 internet slang. I have no idea where you're getting "rude" connotations for it from.
183 pages of this as well.

But ya know what, yeah sure as above.
But no? Man you keep adding a bunch of interpretation to words that don't mean what's actually said. I never said anything about other people showing favored interactions with the CRT so I was referring to them?
That was more in response to "don't complain when I actually do reply". Though are we really calling the word CHAT rude now?
If so I'm gonna need to find a new word to call my discord chat...

I legitimately don't think you're actually reading what was said tho, and instead are reading several layers deep into basic wording just to maybe find a potential way to frame it badly, I can assure you, my intent behind that and what you're extrapolating the intent as, are not one and the same.

amon stuff

Lad this ain't even about me what

amon stuff again

This ain't even about me, but also nothing he did was wrong either?

goon slop

I legit don't think I said goons toward someone in like 6+ months, and if I have it's legit just a accident because I use it in normal discussion on discord with the boys. Regardless, you're trying to report me for something was acknowledged, solved, and hasn't happened since? That's not "making awareness", it's trying to get me for the something that doesn't even happen anymore and was "fixed".

Gooners?

Can you actually stop complaining about something that I haven't even done in ages because it was mentioned in a report already and people opted to use their words instead of just getting mad at it?
You're literally arguing over something that was reported, solved, and hasn't happened since to my knowledge.

As it stands the only real report worthy thing here imo is the yap at Lacku, which I apologize for, that was mean, of course it was in response to vandalization and something I personally spent a ludicrous amount of time on so I got a bit heated in the moment but, yeah sorry for that. Pointing out someone else is breaking rules and doing suspect behavior though or something I haven't done in like half a year because people simply asked nicely? Idk what ya'll want me to say to that.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Minor is one way to put it if you’re ignoring all the times it was used, sure.

Ig i should be reported for how much I say goons too?

Alright, so this is a prime example of missing the forest for the trees or this Sonic meme. No, the word itself being used by itself doesn't mean much. There are plenty of equally dumb or edgy terms that are acceptable or at least tolerable. But at the moment the report has been derailed because someone adjacent to the poster said a thing.

If Chariot is getting punished, it's not because he called someone a goon as a jab or self-deprecating joke. It would be due to his hostile writing style and negative attitude.

For the report, Chariot broke the "Be Kind" and "Be Respectful" rules we have. Something he's been banned before. Having said that, the only thing that gets excessive, as in something we would punish someone for, would be his comments against @Lacku . If other mod members agree that this is also a rule-breaking point, then it's probably warranted a 3 to 6 month ban for being a recuring issue.

"hey dude, stop making match ups and then admitting to on purpose setting it up so a specific outcome is forced and then doubling down on it, that's sus". Like it is idk what ya'll want me to say.

Pointing out someone else is breaking rules and doing suspect behavior though or something I haven't done in like half a year because people simply asked nicely? Idk what ya'll want me to say to that.

To be blunt with you, if the only possible way to get your point across is by being an asshole, then just don't write it. There's no gun being forced at your head to tell another user that they're bad at doing something. If you truly cannot help how you write, then sometimes it's better for you to legitimately not write it. Or at the very least, write it and edit it down to be less abrasive. It's really not that hard.

EDIT: Because the thought occurred to me, I'm not saying we should hold hands and sing songs together. Sometimes you'll need to be blunt to get a point across. But there is a (admittedly blurry) line where it goes too far for non-important topics.

 

[KingTempest]

Okay I read the Lacku messages
Yeah he was definitely excessively hostile, that's true, but I'm not gonna say we should ban him for a year's quarter because he cursed and said "don't edit".
Heavily rude? Of course, but I don't think this is on the same level

Plus

As it stands the only real report worthy thing here imo is the yap at Lacku, which I apologize for, that was mean, of course it was in response to vandalization and something I personally spent a ludicrous amount of time on so I got a bit heated in the moment but, yeah sorry for that. Pointing out someone else is breaking rules and doing suspect behavior though or something I haven't done in like half a year because people simply asked nicely? Idk what ya'll want me to say to that.

He apologized.

Although report worthy, it's very understandable. Someone who has shown months of improvement with anger got upset about vandalization on his own work, and when he was checked about it, he apologized.

I don't think that deserves a ban.

 

[Reiner04]

Regarding Lacku's case; yeah that looks bad. Especially since it could have been resolved with just a few exchanges and some mutual understanding. A warning should be sufficient given past instances of similar behavior, but I don't think a ban is necessary here since he admitted to and realized his mistake.

Now coming to original report by @Nonynho ;

of course I'm going to call it out when they on record stated they fish for specific match outcomes for fun and make threads specifically to force a specific outcomes, I simply can't trust them anymore on that regard. Kind of shot that down themselves.

This seems to be relevant to this report and something that should be elaborated upon.

 

[FinePoint]

My defense?

Well, you're being accused of something. Being a defendant doesn't mean guilt is assumed.
I suppose I could reword it just "Is there anything you want to say to add context?"

Anyway, I read through the thread and although I did notice you being pretty abrasive as per usual, you did seem to mostly be making genuine attempts at debate and much of the clash seemed to be over genuine concern.

That is to say, I think you could still afford to be a little nicer, but I do think this isn't ultimately that big of a deal, and pretty tame compared to previous offenses. Probably not worth a ban or anything like that.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree with Qawsed, the parts GateMemer reported seem like valid reports, but using all the "Goon" statements as a reason just seems weak.

 

[Robo432343]

reporting this

 

[Qawsedf234]

warning should be sufficient given past instances of similar behavior,

I did not want to comment to avoid clogging the discussion, but I feel i have to directly address this point because I feel it's a bad point.

It isn't enough per your own words.

Going by your statement you're admitting that this is a recurring issue, one that's happened enough to give multiple official warnings. The next action would be longer ban rather than something that does not work.

A warning is if this is a new issue or if there was a sufficient gap between notable incidents, not the same thing being repeated within a year of their last ban.

I'm not saying this applies to Chariot as I don't know their current warning status or anything of that nature, but this argument is flawed from my point of view. Chariot and Lackus squashing the beef would be a better indicator of a more lenient decision than saying we should give another warning if multiple alleged warnings have not worked.

 

[Reiner04]

A warning is if this is a new issue or if there was a sufficient gap between notable incidents, not the same thing being repeated within a year of their last ban.

Wasn't the last ban regarding the same behavior about 10 months ago? I feel like the gap is considerable enough to be lenient here, unless, of course, I missed something.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Wasn't the last ban regarding the same behavior about 10 months ago? I feel like the gap is considerable enough to be lenient here, unless, of course, I missed something

The gap is decently large for what they were banned for and indicative of better behavior if Chariot has not been warned between their ban and this incident.

To clarify my previous point, it was not about Chariot having a continous issue, as I do not know if they got into anything between the ban and now. My comment was solely about how that section your argument didn't work.

 

[Reiner04]

The gap is decently large for what they were banned for and indicative of better behavior if Chariot has not been warned between their ban and this incident.

To clarify my previous point, it was not about Chariot having a continous issue, as I do not know if they got into anything between the ban and now. My comment was solely about how that section your argument didn't work.

I see. Initially I wasn't going for a official warning, but rather an unofficial one to tell him to tone it down, assuming it was a one time thing done in the heat of the moment, especially since he realized his mistake and apologized. However, once I saw that he had been banned for similar behavior in the past, but since it was a considerable time ago, I opted for something more lenient than before, yet more significant than just a slap on the wrist. But yeah, I could have worded my previous post better to reflect my full opinion.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I may not be the best person to judge this since I'm just a regular Calc Group member, and most importantly, I am Chariot's friend. And like, I do agree that he's gotta chill out, hell I told him just before he replied to that thread to chill out a bit because I saw this coming, too obvious to let it pass. But his last warning was nearly one year ago, and most of his bad behavior happens in spite matches (can't say that the Leon vs Leon one is spiteful though) and those spite threads gotta be addressed too. Even though he doesn't get reported, he still comes off as rude and mean sometimes, so he also gotta get this sorted.

Give him a warning, if it happens again give him a lengthy ban straight away. If not, then just disregard my comment completely.