DMC wank or something idk

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Uh no?

The quote is there to explain Argosax weird form, he has the forms of all demons all at once.

This is supported by the fact that Argosax has Griffon in there when he isn't even in DMC2

 

[Planck69]

Uh no?

The quote is there to explain Argosax weird form, he has the forms of all demons all at once.

This is supported by the fact that Argosax has Griffon in there when he isn't even in DMC2

Hmm. I suppose that's fine then.

 

[Vietthai96]

Uh no?

The quote is there to explain Argosax weird form, he has the forms of all demons all at once.

This is supported by the fact that Argosax has Griffon in there when he isn't even in DMC2

This seems like NEP3 at best, not NEP1 since he is mixed of all demon forms with one form being NEP. So NEP3 is fine, but not NEP1

About the rest i agree with Random Helper

 

[Random-Helper323]

The Beastheads has one of the most blatant statements for death manipulation I've seen though, so why don't you just use that instead of some vague quote about Doppelganger?

 

[Vietthai96]

Cause he is Tony

 

[Random-Helper323]

@Tony_di_bugalu I think you should change the death manipulation justification to use the Beastheads instead of Doppelganger.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

@Tony_di_bugalu I think you should change the death manipulation justification to use the Beastheads instead of Doppelganger.

Better yet, remove the death manipulation justification entirely since Beastheads already covers that up

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

This seems like NEP3 at best, not NEP1 since he is mixed of all demon forms with one form being NEP. So NEP3 is fine, but not NEP1

About the rest i agree with Random Helper

I don't see the problem?

@Tony_di_bugalu I think you should change the death manipulation justification to use the Beastheads instead of Doppelganger.

Beastheads are already listed in the sandbox

Better yet, remove the death manipulation justification entirely since Beastheads already covers that up

it makes it easier when I make doppleganger profile

 

[Vietthai96]

I don't see the problem?

Huh?. Wdym?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

This seems like NEP3 at best, not NEP1 since he is mixed of all demon forms with one form being NEP. So NEP3 is fine, but not NEP1

I don't understand how that means type 1 shouldn't be there?

 

[Vietthai96]

I don't understand how that means type 1 shouldn't be there?

Because he isn't nonexistent by himself, just him having one form from one demon who is NEP, which is part existence and part nonexistence

terms of binary, where existence is 1 and nonexistence is 0, this would be part 0 and part 1 simultaneously.

This is

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Because he isn't nonexistent by himself, just him having one form from one demon who is NEP, which is part existence and part nonexistence

either you aren't explaining yourself properly or I just don't understand lol

yeah? Argosax has all demonic forms all at once, that shouldn't make him less or more nonexistent

This is

Yeah what about that? You can have type 1 and 3 at the same time as seen with the literal example of the page

• Greeza (Ultra Series) (Nature Type 1 & 3, Aspect Type 1, 3 & 5)

I have seen some that have type 2 and 3 at the same type, heck even some that have all of them

 

[Vietthai96]

yeah? Argosax has all demonic forms all at once, that shouldn't make him less or more nonexistent

Bro, this exactly what make him NEP3 bruhh, because he has all form at once with one form being NEP, others aren't thus make him simultaneously part existence and part nonexistence which is NEP3

Yeah what about that? You can have type 1 and 3 at the same time as seen with the literal example of the page

• Greeza (Ultra Series) (Nature Type 1 & 3, Aspect Type 1, 3 & 5)

I have seen some that have type 2 and 3 at the same type, heck even some that have all of them

The profile literally stated he is foremost a nonexistent being, just that he can paradoxically exist that why he also has NEP3

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Bro, this exactly what make him NEP3 bruhh, because he has all form at once with one form being NEP, others aren't thus make him simultaneously part existence and part nonexistence which is NEP3

Not convinced but fair enough, I'll wait for more staff tho since so far you are the only one against it.

The profile literally stated he is foremost a nonexistent being, just that he can paradoxically exist that why he also has NEP3

...so?

Also this guy has the same thing as Argosax and still got everything

 

[Vietthai96]

Also this guy has the same thing as Argosax and still got everything

Ngl, can point me to the exact part where it have NEP? I can't find thing on the profile cause the format make me crazy and i'm on phone bruhh

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

either you aren't explaining yourself properly or I just don't understand lol

Basically, because his NEP is purely paradoxical in nature and not a truly set material nonexistence. Unlike some other NEP 3 users on the wiki, it seems Vietthai is trying to say they only qualify for nature 3 and not both 1 and 3 as a result. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Ngl, can point me to the exact part where it have NEP? I can't find thing on the profile cause the format make me crazy and i'm on phone bruhh

Bruh I thought I linked it >:V

Do you know how long I spent looking for it when I was doing my NEP research?

Its the same link just go to "Rider abilities tab > Heisei tab > Phase 2 > Ghost Riders"

This guy who is another version of Zi-O has all of the kamen raider powers all at once too and he has NEP 1 & 3 because of someone else too


edit: ah fak you are on phone RIP lmao

 

[Vietthai96]

Do you know how long I spent looking for it when I was doing my NEP research?

Its the same link just go to "Rider abilities tab > Heisei tab > Phase 2 > Ghost Riders"

Read the profile and man, it isn't even qualify for NEP let alone NEP1 and 3, why this shit go through?

This guy who is another version of Zi-O has all of the kamen raider powers all at once too and he has NEP 1 & 3 because of someone else too

Depend on contexts

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Read the profile and man, it isn't even qualify for NEP let alone NEP1 and 3, why this shit go through?

Don't ask me fam, I was just checking every single profile with NEP to prepare for this


If it qualifies or not it's not really up to me nor am I interested in making a thread for it, I saw that it had it and so it was allowed.

Depend on contexts

Yeah, the context is that he has all the powers of the other kamen raiders and thus NEP 1 & 3 despite only one of those having NEP

 

[Vietthai96]

Yeah, the context is that he has all the powers of the other kamen raiders and thus NEP 1 & 3 despite only one of those having NEP

If the one who have NEP is that Omma Zio guy and only have have it then the guy who have NEP via having all Rider abilities shouldn't have NEP either

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

If the one who have NEP is that Omma Zio guy and only have have it then the guy who have NEP via having all Rider abilities shouldn't have NEP either

Ohma Zi-O has the powers of all Riders

Some Rider from the Ghost Riders has NEP 1 & 3

Ohma Zi-O has NEP cuz he has that Ghost Rider powers along with everyone else

The thread is kinda recent too

 

[Vietthai96]

The thread is kinda recent too

May 2024

Some Rider from the Ghost Riders has NEP 1 & 3

If it is the same reason as the Great Eyes thing then it isn't qualify, but this thread isn't about Kamen Rider i guess

 

[KLOL506]

@Elizhaa @LephyrTheRevanchist @Dereck03 @Just_a_Random_Butler @Starter_Pack @Maverick_Zero_X

@Theglassman12 @Reiner04 @ActuallySpaceMan42 @KingTempest @UchihaSlayer96 @Emirp sumitpo Your input here would be appreciated

 

[Shadowslash125]

Also this guy has the same thing as Argosax and still got everything

sigh
Rehashing what I said in a chinese novel crt

I can't believe Kamen Rider is catching strays in a DMC crt.

Anyways, Zi-O riders are outdated af (surprise surprise), and what's worse is that this guy actually has to be updated yearly because he passively gets powers from Kamen Riders till 2068. You can leave it as is since it's not like anyone is going to use Oma Zi-O in vs threads, and there's already a big crt in development for Zi-O riders that better explain his non-duality shenanigans among many other things. This a dmc crt, so keep it that way since trying to touch him doesn't really net anything in the first place.

ISTG I'm slapping that Outdated Tab on Oma Zio just so you lots can't use it as justification to modify your NEP or NAP or NOPEs.

 

[Omazio2019]

If it is the same reason as the Great Eyes thing then it isn't qualify, but this thread isn't about Kamen Rider i guess

Great Eyes NEP will be updated with more reasons and scans but please help our verse (or other verses) from getting involved into an affair of another one.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Bend over lil bro

I don't know you enough for you to just jokingly ask me to bend over without sounding like an insult. Read the room before you try and 'joke around' with shit like this.

 

[KingTempest]

Read this for like an hour cause I hate DMC
Random's eval shares my views

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Read the profile and man, it isn't even qualify for NEP let alone NEP1 and 3, why this shit go through?

Is it even possible to have both type 1 and 3 at the same time? Because the way it is being discussed seems contradictory to say the least.

 

[Vietthai96]

Is it even possible to have both type 1 and 3 at the same time? Because the way it is being discussed seems contradictory to say the least.

You can but need a very good reason for it

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Last relevant change for NEP happened in 2023, that thread was from 2024 so yeah, kinda recent when it comes to NEP changes which is the topic at hand

If it is the same reason as the Great Eyes thing then it isn't qualify, but this thread isn't about Kamen Rider i guess

It isn't about KR obviously, I'm just using it as a precedent that someone with all the powers in verse can get all kinds of NEP from one single entity since that was your gripe with it.

Is it even possible to have both type 1 and 3 at the same time? Because the way it is being discussed seems contradictory to say the least.

yes it is, I saw like half a dozen with it last time


I was talking with some friend offsite and I will concede with it for now and accept only type 3. How do we proceed given that 3 staff agreed with it?

NVM 3 staff agree with it and 1 disagrees so it should be okay to add both types

Also since you are being needlessly strict when there is nothing to prevent this, I expect you to put it to work with the other verses, you know to avoid double standards and all that.

Also also just to clarify, Argosax isn't a chimera of sorts, he is a single entity that has all the forms and powers of all demons, past and present. All those demons you see there were already killed by Dante, some even years before the game takes place. They aren't "fused", its just that AgroSEX has all their forms and powers and its all condensed into his true form later on The Despair Emboided.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

You can but need a very good reason for it

Can you give an example which we can understand with ease if you don't mind?

 

[Vietthai96]

Can you give an example which we can understand with ease if you don't mind?

Yeah what about that? You can have type 1 and 3 at the same time as seen with the literal example of the page

• Greeza (Ultra Series) (Nature Type 1 & 3, Aspect Type 1, 3 & 5)

This guy bruhh, he is foremost a nonexistent being already which grant him Type 1, and then he can paradoxically exist, granting him Type 3

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Can you give an example which we can understand with ease if you don't mind?

there are at least a dozen profiles with both 1 & 3, some even have 2 & 3 which is the dumbest one

just look them up

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I was talking with some friend offsite and I will concede with it for now and accept only type 3. How do we proceed given that 3 staff agreed with it?

NVM 3 staff agree with it and 1 disagrees so it should be okay to add both types

so how long I gotta wait? 48 hours from now on right

 

[Planck69]

so how long I gotta wait? 48 hours from now on right

It's 48 hours from start of thread so grace has long since passed.

 

[Apotheosis69]

so how long I gotta wait? 48 hours from now on right

48 hours when the CRT just started. So when OP got posted.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Ill do the stuff tomorrow then, busy day ahead

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Ill do the stuff tomorrow then, busy day ahead

Neato.

 

[Random-Helper323]

You're making the edits? Note that Argosax's page is locked. I'll unlock it when you're ready to make the edits.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

You're making the edits? Note that Argosax's page is locked. I'll unlock it when you're ready to make the edits.

yes please