Black Clover General Discussion thread

[Nayrysclover315]

Do you have a statement from Asta or Lucifero saying that he is much stronger in that form?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Do you have a statement from Asta or Lucifero saying that he is much stronger in that form?

We don't need statements, we saw Asta literally being weaker and needing Yami and company to him cutting Lucifero in half with ease, that is clearly him being stronger than him

 

[Nayrysclover315]

We don't need statements, we saw Asta literally being weaker and needing Yami and company to him cutting Lucifero in half with ease, that is clearly him being stronger than him

What you’re saying is illogical, because throughout the entire arc Asta isn’t able to tank even a single hit from Lucifero. Most of the time, he’s saved by the captains, or by Yami, Nacht, or even Yuno. That still doesn’t prove anything. And he was helped by Yami to prevent Lucifero from going to the underworld to retrieve the rest of his power—we can clearly see that he wanted to escape

 

[Mommyleona]

At that moment, Lucifero isn’t using his gravity magic; he’s fighting purely hand-to-hand against Asta. And as shown, Asta nullifies everything he touches, and conversely, if you touch him, your powers get nullified. That seems like a more logical interpretation, don’t you think?

nope, it clearly says he cancels out the magic in the scan i posted, not "everything he touches"

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

What you’re saying is illogical, because throughout the entire arc Asta isn’t able to tank even a single hit from Lucifero. Most of the time, he’s saved by the captains, or by Yami, Nacht, or even Yuno. That still doesn’t prove anything. And he was helped by Yami to prevent Lucifero from going to the underworld to retrieve the rest of his power—we can clearly see that he wanted to escape

And then after Asta being unable to tank hits, he grows stronger for using True devil union and starts stomping Lucifero?

Lucifero running after being cut is the end of the fight where both sides are so crippled that they can't do almost anything

Edit: Also, Asta now nulls physical attacks and the ryuzen are able to harm him, logic

 

[Mommyleona]

What you’re saying is illogical, because throughout the entire arc Asta isn’t able to tank even a single hit from Lucifero.

It isn't, TDU is just a massive amp in stats, same way DU is also a massive amp

 

[Nayrysclover315]

Non, il est clairement indiqué qu'il annule la magie dans le scan que j'ai posté, et non pas « tout ce qu'il touche ».

he's completely canceling the magic of anything he touche ? That’s what is written!!

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

he's completely canceling the magic of anything he touche ? That’s what is written!!

Yes

And Lucifero punch is reinforcement magic+ his absurd strenght


Asta nulls magic and is stronger physically= no damage

 

[Nayrysclover315]

It isn't, TDU is just a massive amp in stats, same way DU is also a massive amp

Do you have a statement that proves it? Sorry for insisting. Because either Lucifero would have declared it, or Asta would have declared it, which is not the case here. The only statement we have about this form is that he nullifies everything he touches — the magic of everything he touches, if you prefe

 

[Nayrysclover315]

Yes

And Lucifero punch is reinforcement magic+ his absurd strenght


Asta nulls magic and is stronger physically= no damage

I don’t agree. The stat boost is everything, in my opinion

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Do you have a statement that proves it? Sorry for insisting. Because either Lucifero would have declared it, or Asta would have declared it, which is not the case here. The only statement we have about this form is that he nullifies everything he touches — the magic of everything he touches, if you prefe

The only statements is that devil union works with both of them fusing to become stronger, Asta said that initially their fusion is overlaping their minds and personalities, true devil union is no overlap, is complete merge of that

So if merely overlapping is already a stat amp, complete merging is clearly another stat amp

 

[Nayrysclover315]

The only statements is that devil union works with both of them fusing to become stronger, Asta said that initially their fusion is overlaping their minds and personalities, true devil union is no overlap, is complete merge of that

So if merely overlapping is already a stat amp, complete merging is clearly another stat amp

Yes, but generally characters admit when they are stronger, which isn’t the case here. In that form, he only gains the ability to nullify the magic of everything he touches.And you showed it yourself with that statement regarding DU

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

In that form, he only gains the ability to nullify the magic

And he also becomes clearly stronger?

Nacht becomes stronger with devil union and because he has another type of contract, he is forcing his devil to make him take control, contrary to a Asta and Liebe that needs complete synchro

Yami recently became stronger with his own devil union

Fusing with your devil/spirit makes you stronger, being able to fully fused with him to a deeper level makes you even stronger, we saw that with Yuno reaching 100% syncro with Bell, twice, vs zenon and vs Lucius

So why Asta is the exception now?

 

[Mommyleona]

Do you have a statement that proves it?

Just look at the Lucius fight?

Haven't even reached TDU/TSD yet

And when they do

They straight up overpower Lucius

It's also made clear they got stronger as Lucius says "no matter how strong you get" meaning they already got stronger than before

And obviously them later forcing Lucius to just retreat and defend

So yeah, TDU is VERY clearly a big amp in stats

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Mommy is literally saying the same as me but she has scans on his BC hardrive or something lol

 

[Mommyleona]

Mommy is literally saying the same as me but she has scans on his BC hardrive or something lol

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

We can always push the agenda and make Asta invulnerable to physical damage just for fun not gonna lie

 

[Nayrysclover315]

Just look at the Lucius fight?

Haven't even reached TDU/TSD yet

And when they do

They straight up overpower Lucius

It's also made clear they got stronger as Lucius says "no matter how strong you get" meaning they already got stronger than before

And obviously them later forcing Lucius to just retreat and defend

So yeah, TDU is VERY clearly a big amp in stats

Okay, thank you for your explanation regarding the physical amp, but that doesn’t remove Asta’s ability to nullify physically-based strength that comes from magic in that form.

 

[Nayrysclover315]

We can always push the agenda and make Asta invulnerable to physical damage just for fun not gonna lie

Exactly, physically based strength that comes from magic gets nullified that’s literally the power of this transformation.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

nullify physically-based strength that comes from magic in that form.

Yeah, that is not what we were trying to say, Asta clearly should be able to null reinforcement magic the same way he just nulled high regen from another devil and that was before even TDU

But for example, Luffy from one piece uses a normal punch, that is not gonna be nullified at all, if you were trying to say that, that was what we were trying to deny

 

[Nayrysclover315]

Yeah, that is not what we were trying to say, Asta clearly should be able to null reinforcement magic the same way he just nulled high regen from another devil and that was before even TDU

But for example, Luffy from one piece uses a normal punch, that is not gonna be nullified at all, if you were trying to say that, that was what we were trying to deny

I see what you mean. What you’re explaining is that if your physical strength depends on magic, then yes, it gets nullified but for someone like Luffy, for example, it wouldn’t, and that’s a perfect illustration Exactly. But for example, if he faces a character like Ichigo or Naruto, whose strength is based on energy or magic, then he could nullify their physical abilities. That’s what you meant from the start

 

[Mommyleona]

do we have an UES accepted?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I see, I see, I thought the anti-magic would make Asta count as something different, but fair nuff

Now do Doom vs Lucifero

Someone please I NEED this, I want a debatable MU to participate in with my GOAT, PLEASE!

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Someone please I NEED this, I want a debatable MU to participate in with my GOAT, PLEASE!

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Do it, I need the dopamine of an epic fight

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Someone please I NEED this, I want a debatable MU to participate in with my GOAT, PLEASE!

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do we have an UES accepted?

We should, and I doubht anyone can believe the contrary

 

[AthelChan]

how long have BC on Outdated trenches?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

how long have BC on Outdated trenches?

Years until the manga finally concludes, because all the fights have ended but we could literally have a Yuno vs Asta finale or a plot twist that changes things, and to have people say "Nah, they are limited to light speed" and then have mftl feats in the next 2 chapters 3 months later is absurd

 

[AthelChan]

Years until the manga finally concludes, because all the fights have ended but we could literally have a Yuno vs Asta finale or a plot twist that changes things, and to have people say "Nah, they are limited to light speed" and then have mftl feats in the next 2 chapters 3 months later is absurd

damn this year will be big for BC supps.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

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Really? What even changes for dear ol' Luci-boy? He seems pretty capped right now from what I'm seeing, and there's only like, 1(?) chapter left.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Really? What even changes for dear ol' Luci-boy? He seems pretty capped right now from what I'm seeing, and there's only like, 1(?) chapter left.

He could be 5-C, 5-B, even 5-A

downgraded to 6-B
Be MFTL+ or capped at lightspeed


Get more hax, his resistance to sacred magic could be removed, etc

 

[AthelChan]

Get more hax, his resistance to sacred magic could be removed, etc

anything new for asta tho? people still sees him as a Deku killer after all.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

anything new for asta tho? people still sees him as a Deku killer after all.

What do you mean a Deku Killer?


In this thread we talked about how Asta should be able to negate reinforcement magic, then we could also add that antimagic is refered as antienergy, that curses are not magic and Asta still negates it and that clearly Asta >>>Yuji without both using powers

 

[AthelChan]

What do you mean a Deku Killer?

after their episode on deathbattle, thats pretty much how he is summed up outside. Altho his speed is the one im interested with.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

after their episode on deathbattle, thats pretty much how he is summed up outside. Altho his speed is the one im interested with.

He is faster than light, how much is something I don't care, the maximum "wank" I saw is quintillions FTL ignoring infinite claims and such


Yuno has a 400C feat for example, that is perfectly reasonable for example, if you add zetten you just reach 8000C for adding a minimun of x20 speed attack increase, if you lowball it to x2 then is just 800C

 

[AnAverageUsername]

He could be 5-C, 5-B, even 5-A

downgraded to 6-B
Be MFTL+ or capped at lightspeed


Get more hax, his resistance to sacred magic could be removed, etc

What? What do you even thinks going to happen in the upcoming final chapter(s)? It's just going to be like any big shonen ending, as in we get to see who becomes wizard king, a time-skip, and see who marries who. There's not going to be any big feat now that the final battle is over, series has been going on for a decade+.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

What? What do you even thinks going to happen in the upcoming final chapter(s)? It's just going to be like any big shonen ending, as in we get to see who becomes wizard king, a time-skip, and see who marries who. There's not going to be any big feat now that the final battle is over, series has been going on for a decade+.

Possible revelations of Astaroth, explanations of Lucius, etc

And the changes are gonna be made to the whole series, we could start now but is better to have the whole manga finished and not deal with a sudden revelation that changes everything, I already talked with another user and we could have 5-C pre time skip BC and not with dorothy moon creation feat for example

 

[AthelChan]

He is faster than light, how much is something I don't care, the maximum "wank" I saw is quintillions FTL ignoring infinite claims and such


Yuno has a 400C feat for example, that is perfectly reasonable for example, if you add zetten you just reach 8000C for adding a minimun of x20 speed attack increase, if you lowball it to x2 then is just 800C

800c sounds more reasonable for me imo

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Possible revelations of Astaroth, explanations of Lucius, etc

And the changes are gonna be made to the whole series, we could start now but is better to have the whole manga finished and not deal with a sudden revelation that changes everything, I already talked with another user and we could have 5-C pre time skip BC and not with dorothy moon creation feat for example

I mean I really doubt there's going to be anything important, but fairs. All I'll say is good luck with that 5-C stuff, you're going to need a tremendous amount of luck to get that passed.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

I only want to make Mommy be proud