Time to downgrade them to 7-A hellHonestly, shoutout to Wario and DK for singlehandedly carrying the powerscaling of the Super Mario verse, cause if it wasn't for Shake It, DKC Returns, and Bananza, the whole verse might've legitimately been stuck in tier 7 or 8 hell for eternity
What would be needed to contest this exactly?
For sure. Back when I downgraded them from tier 4 the highest feats I had were all Wario and DK, M&L went as high as High 7-C, SPM had a kinda sus 7-B one. Pure consistency-wise Mario probably shouldn't have gone above high tier 8 but I felt bad calling the Moon feat an outlier, plus I thought people would object to leaving a fair amount of mostly valid feats on the table (Reminds me that the 7-B Wario one is miscalced though)Honestly, shoutout to Wario and DK for singlehandedly carrying the powerscaling of the Super Mario verse, cause if it wasn't for Shake It, DKC Returns, and Bananza, the whole verse might've legitimately been stuck in tier 7 or 8 hell for eternity
I... don't know? You're essentially asking me how to prove I'm wrong, as far as I know I'm not.
They do, yes. I think they're more consistent about it anyways.
I have other priorities, so maybe when I'm thinking about him again
Currently speaking, yes, but once the PM scaling gets revised and split into keys, he'll probably get downgraded to 6-C due to upscaling from Shadow Queen's earthquake (I think)
I'll scale him to "At least 6-C" in durability then, since the guy can't be harmed properly by Mario without jumping on him
Actually, forget what I said earlier about base Paper Mario scaling to Shadow Queen, she literally one-shot one of the bosses Mario and the gang were previously struggling against, and they were only able to defeat her due to being amped by the crystal stars (iirc, in the OG High 6-A upgrade, the Crystal Stars and by extension, Shadow Queen, were discussed as potentially being like 5-B due to the Crystal Stars containing the power of all the stars in an entire night sky, but I forget if that was disproven or not)
I could see the first part of the feat getting maybe class M, but not anything too impressive
called it
Yeah pretty much what I expected, since Bowser's still weakened from the strange mushroom Fawful gave him at this point in the game it's pretty nice he can still pull off stuff like this.
Just playing around,
Cosmology should actually just be uber-powerful but nobody actually ends up scaling to it because of anti-feats. Canon.
If their cosmologies, feats, and anti-feats were swapped, Sonic would be 11D on this wiki and Mario would still be at like tier 4 or 5.
Prob not. I think Sonic as a series takes itself more seriously which is why it’s easier to defend on this wiki, and Mario’s lack of canon doesn’t help anyway. I also don’t really believe in super-dimensional stuff for tiering in general, it’s just fun to play around with.
Maybe Shadow Queen from Thousand Year Door? Or Culex being superdimensional or smth.
When the Super Mario General Discussion has a bit too much yap regarding Mario so I have to mention Sonic again to spice things up:
(Don't take it personally Orange, all in good fun and your comment made me laugh)
Shadow queen doesn’t count because a) it’s a Paper Mario feat and b) even if we did still consider Paper Mario to be the same as Regular Mario, it still wouldn’t scale as PM and the gang only defeated her via being amped by the crystal stars
Really sure PM is the same, ig not here then. I swear Culex has some good statements, but I don’t think I beat him, so IDK.
Bro they've been split apart here for nearly 3 years did you not notice
His best statements are only in the english translation and his original dialouge at best gives him possibly space-time manipulation as an ability instead of anything AP related.
I forgot.Bro they've been split apart here for nearly 3 years did you not notice
His best statements are only in the english translation and his original dialouge at best gives him possibly space-time manipulation as an ability instead of anything AP related.
The only thing worthwhile there is him saying the power of love/friendship ‘from the third dimension’ overpowers his strength as the ‘ultimate evil’ (possible UES). But I’ve been playing around with the dimensional-space you enter to battle him being the rift between his world and Mario’s, him stating to transcend time from the beginning of Mario’s world to its end, and the RPG gang being able to use time manip on him (via Earlier Times) which might support the space between dimensions in the cosmology having its own temporal axis for tier stuff.
Honestly, given just how prevalent it is throughout several Mario games, we might need to give the power of friendship/love/Bonds its own dedicated ability page
