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Also of course Veld is the weakest final boss, he lost to the weakest lord
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Fire Emblem Discussion thread: New Forum, New Mystery of the Emblem
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I put together that CRT about the Ending Winter, I'd appreciate if you guys can look it over
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So hey, has Flora freezing the ocean in Fates Revelations been examined by anybody? I would assume the vast majority of Fates characters would scale to Flora so it could be a good buff for them
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It was once but the discussion died fast.
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Huh, i could've sworn there was at least a calc for that feat but i guess not.
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First two posts are OP clearly being unfamiliar with the feat and a self admitted non-FE player calling it an outlier, truly grim. Could be worth reopening that discussion
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Just realized also that Bolting is used for 3DSFE speed scaling on vsbw despite not being in those games at all
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Bolting is not present in the 3ds games but they do indirectly scale to it.
For example for SoV, several characters from Archanea intervene and appear in the plot like the Whitewings sisters or Camus.
+Other spells that depict lightning are present in those games like thunder (SoV) and I think Elthunder, Mjolnir for Awakening.
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Leif is pretty strong. Ced said that he didn't have the power to defeat the Loptr Sword even with Forseti, yet Leif can overpower it with the Bragi Sword. It really is just Celica who is missing Divine Dragon scaling among the lords of the original timeline.
As the one who asked about this, I think my line of reasoning lies more with the fact that Ragnarok is Mila's spell, since the phrasing doesn't seem to suggest that it was created for humans to use but rather that it is a tool that she already had ("Zofia and Rigel, the two heroes who led the charge against the pirate nation, were chosen to enter a blood pact with Mila and Duma respectively. Mila bestowed Ragnarok to Zofia, while Duma bestowed the Falchion to Rigel."), so Ragnarok might have Mila's AP. There's also how these sentences seem to mirror Falchion and Ragnarok as two weapons for the same goal, which I doubt would be the case if Ragnarok wasn't intended to be similarly powerful.
What brings doubt to these thoughts is that there is a True Ragnarok for which I have no information, and I am not sure what its exact place in the lore is. "True Ragnarok" seems to suggest that there is a "false Ragnarok" (presumably the spell that Celica and Delthea wield), which should mean that only the True Ragnarok should have Divine Dragon scaling, but I feel that it's a conjecture from my side.
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I don't think there's much going against the freezing feat, But i imagine we'd have to decide whether to treat it as freezing the Sea or the Ocean, They jump between calling it Sea and Ocean, The Sea seems more plausible. It would roughly amount to this area called the Hoshido-Nohr Sea. "At Sea" is where the chapter that Flora froze it takes place.
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Technically, all Thunder/Lightning tomes is where speed comes from, but not Bolting specifically.
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Bolting isn't in the Archanea games either, though thunder is depicted as regular lightning in Shadow Dragon though so that checks out for Valentia, I suppose, and Mjolnir in Awakening seems to be regular lightning as well on a cursory glance. From what I'm aware though, the same is not the case for Fates. The thunder spell in that game sort of creates a dome of electrical energy rather than calling down actual lightning. I'm not sure on Mjolnir though, I can't find the animation anywhere
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Bolting is in the Jungral games to be specific.
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Irrc it actually does call down lightning from the sky in fates it's just super thin and the animation is really fast so its hard to notice.
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Yes, but there's enough of a time difference between Jugdral and Archanea that you can't really establish direct scaling between the two
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Mjolnir animation
Fate scale to Awakening because Severa, Owain and Inigo from Awakening travel to the world of fate and can lose the local
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If you're referring to Thunder, no, it definitely is not called down from the sky. It sort of just appears on top of the enemy. Source
That's the Awakening version of Mjolnir, the animation is different in Fates. I can see the argument of scaling to the Awakening trio though.
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There is some scaling to be had. Jugdral characters as a whole scale to Bolting. Both Book of Naga and Loptyr scale to this level too. There is also Tiki > Naga and Medeus >= Loptyr. Tiki is then later a character in Awakening, and Grima upscales all of them.
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Corrin states that "the entire sea has been frozen solid," though we don't really have a way of verifying that. I'd say at the very least we consider it to be frozen as far as the eye can seeI don't think there's much going against the freezing feat, But i imagine we'd have to decide whether to treat it as freezing the Sea or the Ocean, They jump between calling it Sea and Ocean, The Sea seems more plausible. It would roughly amount to this area called the Hoshido-Nohr Sea. "At Sea" is where the chapter that Flora froze it takes place.
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The freezing would have to at least reach to land since it's implied the troops walked out there and the in game battle scene seems to depict it reaching land too, The freezing was done through making the area cold so where the map took place would have to be epicenter of the freezing so it'd roughly have to cover the Sea anyway.
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The meet the heroes of Flora seems to support freezing the sea rather than the océans
"When her emotions get the better of her, she can summon raging blizzards, and I hear that she even froze a sea solid during her battles in another world."
"When her emotions get the better of her, she can summon raging blizzards, and I hear that she even froze a sea solid during her battles in another world."
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Well the "Bolting" statements are actually dated as the support conversation that describes tomes generating storms in Awakening is actually describing regular Thunder tomes. So we should replace all the blogs statements from Bolting to just regular Thunder tomes tbh.
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The Thunder Tome making clouds and storms was also supported in a bunch of old supplementary material like Fire Emblem The Complete.
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I can maybe see at most a possibly
By true Ragnarok you mean Celica's Ragnarok Ω ? When she use it we see Mila's brand shine on her hand. Plus according to the main wiki it's japanese name is true Ragnarok
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Yeah, I'm talking about the combat art True Ragnarok, known in the west as Ragnarok Ω, which is exclusive to Celica when she wields the Beloved Zofia
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I could definitely see Ragnarok Ω counting for divine dragon scaling. With the brand lighting up like that it seems clear that she's either channeling Mila's power, or tapping into a level of power that only those with Mila's blood can achieve
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Its funny how Gotoh makes it sound like they're just barely strong enough to replace Falchion when in gameplay they're way stronger lol
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I think it is worth noting that if this happens, you get the bad ending and don't actually get to fight Medeus at all, so the theory is somewhat untested
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You're thinking of Mystery Of The Emblem, This is from Shadow Dragon so you always fight Medeus at the end though in the bad ending of Shadow Dragon you're meant to get Nagi's inferior Falchion to fight Medeus.
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Ohhhh okay my b yeah it makes sense then
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I didn't even know the starsphere and lightsphere were obtainable in Shadow Dragon
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Yea Starsphere,Lightsphere and Geopshere where in FE1
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Falchion is canonically equal to Book of Naga; as one needs a Major Holy Blood of Naga to wield the Falchion.
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Another thing that came to my attention
Valentia Accordion's timeline also makes clear that the Gradivus in Valentia is the same as the Gradivus in Archanea, so they all share the scaling. It's likely that Mercurius and Parthia in Valentia should also have the same scaling and properties as their Archanean counterparts.
Valentia Accordion's timeline also makes clear that the Gradivus in Valentia is the same as the Gradivus in Archanea, so they all share the scaling. It's likely that Mercurius and Parthia in Valentia should also have the same scaling and properties as their Archanean counterparts.
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I was just making a joke on lore vs gameplay, Though to be honest I've always wondered if Marth is actually a Holy Blood, The concept and mechanic weren't in his games and they never make reference to Marth or his relatives having brands and as far as I can recall Naga was "dead" during Anri's time so him and his brother couldn't have made a blood pact with her, Anri got the Falchion from Gotoh, maybe he tied it to Anri's bloodline without a blood pact?, The lore of the first exalt made it sound like he was the first of the Altean lineage to become a Holy Blood though I could be completely off base as this all just my conjecture thoughts.
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In ancient past, it was thought of Naga used Falchion and Binding Shield; though it was question in validity, but we do know Falchion is carved from the fang of Naga. Which that's basically every Holy Blood weapon is being a fang of the Dragon affiliated with them. And it's common knowledge that Falchion requires an affiliated bloodline, once again, just like every other Holy Blood weapon. And also like Holy Bloods, not everyone in the bloodline can use it since minor Holy Bloods lack that ability. Elise can't but Marth can. Anri can use it, but his brother who was the true descendant cannot. It's unknown if they are direct descendants of Naga or if an ancestor had a blood infusion ritual.
But at the end of the day, Falchion is a Dragon (Divine Dragon) weapon that can only be wielded by bloodline affiliates; which is textbook definition of Holy Blood weapons. Also, Holy Blood weapons were affiliated with other dragons such as Fjalar having fire dragon blood.
But at the end of the day, Falchion is a Dragon (Divine Dragon) weapon that can only be wielded by bloodline affiliates; which is textbook definition of Holy Blood weapons. Also, Holy Blood weapons were affiliated with other dragons such as Fjalar having fire dragon blood.
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I wasn't suggesting it wasn't a Divine Dragon weapon, Just whether it's possible if it could be tied to certain bloodlines without them being Holy Bloods specifically. The Aum Staff for example only works for Women of Royal Blood and Medeus needed Royal Blood as well to revive including Marth's sisters, So there's definitely a special defining quality of all Archanean Royal lines blood that set them apart from normal people which likely included Anri but there's never been any direct confirmation on if it was from a blood pacts with specific dragons or something else, I was just musing since how Anri received the blade and was able to use it has always perplexed me as there's a chance it wasn't bound to his bloodline from the start which would raise a lot of questions.
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This conversation reminds me of this quote I found:
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Is the Archanean Aura is a regalia spell too then?
