SNK Games Discussion Thread

[Jamesthetaker]

I don't know much about other fighting games besides KOF, but I could probably help with calculations when I can. Though, my calc skills are average at best, I can't help with the ones that are beyond my ability and expect occasional mistakes too.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

I've lost hope with Darkstalkers because we couldn't figure out what to do with Pyron, mostly for lack of support from calc members, but maybe we can get back from it.

There have been some calcs being made recently in regards to Pyron, with the likely removal of his true form key, there is hope (but we could talk more about that outside this thread)

Help from calculators would honestly be the first and most important step towards the FF revisions, honestly, for a few calcs would need to be made.

For sure, like there's the game's original opening which has this, so.

That and we could include some new abilities (although the EOST ones I'd feel more comfortable just having them as optional powers)

Also it seems that portions of the Fatal Fury OVA's are canon now? At least the ending of the Krauser fight from The New Battle is.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

 

[Tonygameman]

Since we're bringing up Dream Matches, there's one resistance that took my attention (that of poison/acid, corrosion and deconstruction). Fighters can withstand attacks from Lin, whose left hand's poison can corrode the skin of anyone it comes in contact with (one of his supers stabbing them through the chest; Type 2 immortality mayhaps?).

Additional evidence for NPI could be Duo Lon's projectiles (which are the spirits of the dead; Zero's soul super is literally done by his father from the same clan) being blockable and dispersable.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Does it count in gameplay though? Like peeps may question that

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Since we're bringing up Dream Matches, there's one resistance that took my attention (that of poison/acid, corrosion and deconstruction). Fighters can withstand attacks from Lin, whose left hand's poison can corrode the skin of anyone it comes in contact with (one of his supers stabbing them through the chest; Type 2 immortality mayhaps?).

Additional evidence for NPI could be Duo Lon's projectiles (which are the spirits of the dead; Zero's soul super is literally done by his father from the same clan) being blockable and dispersable.

In KOF 2000 team stories, Benimaru was able to touch Lin's poison hand without issue so that can support it. In the same story, Lin's poison was so potent that even a wound glaze could kill.

As for Duo Lon's spirits, I might need to check it further. But thanks a lot for the help!

 

[SamanPatou]

Also it seems that portions of the Fatal Fury OVA's are canon now? At least the ending of the Krauser fight from The New Battle is.

Krauser had canonically been said to have committed suicide anyway, in an anniversary video released by SNK 15~ish years ago.
Though I'm aware the new trailer used Krauser's anime design, the game still uses the classic one and I would call the video, albeit still canon, just referencial to the ova, and not a canonization.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Krauser had canonically been said to have committed suicide anyway, in an anniversary video released by SNK 15~ish years ago.

Terry was the one who said that to Rock in Memories of Stray Wolves, so you could just say that’s what Terry thought had happened, he probably didn’t know Krauser survived.

Though I'm aware the new trailer used Krauser's anime design, the game still uses the classic one and I would call the video, albeit still canon, just referencial to the ova, and not a canonization.

Yeah I don’t think the OVA’s are like, straight up canon or anything, just some key moments. Plus the most we get in the original Fatal Fury 2 game is just Krauser defeated next to the character.

 

[SamanPatou]

Terry was the one who said that to Rock in Memories of Stray Wolves, so you could just say that’s what Terry thought had happened, he probably didn’t know Krauser survived.

That's for sure, it's pretty explicitly implied in the new trailer as well.

For sure, like there's the game's original opening which has this, so.

It'd be great to calc that feat, though I would personally keep it only as an extra tier, considering it's the power of Terry's strongest attacks and was the move that defeated Geese, so scaling above him anyway.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Inb4 the final mystery character on the season 2 dlc is Michael Jackson (god pls let it be real because it will be funny lmao)

 

[BlackDarkness679]

 

[Hunterzillas]

DARK TERRY?! Well shit I might have to buy this game now.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

DARK TERRY?! Well shit I might have to buy this game now.

Dark Terry: "You are not okay for a thousand deaths!"

 

[BlackDarkness679]

 

[BlackDarkness679]

 

[BlackDarkness679]

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Can Masami Obari stop cooking so well please

Also I don’t think we could give the cast of CTOW any sort of NPI after all, it seems more like Geese just materializes himself.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Also I don’t think we could give the cast of CTOW any sort of NPI after all, it seems more like Geese just materializes himself.

They still call him a ghost/phantom/apparition and all that, it just appears he takes shape when appearing

 

[BlackDarkness679]

 

[BlackDarkness679]

 

[BlackDarkness679]

 

[Tonygameman]

Yeah, we definitely need manhua profiles now.

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[BlackDarkness679]

The speed and a few feats could potentially buff the eras that aint universal and high into rela and ftl also

 

[Tonygameman]

It's actually nice to see both The Last Blade and Rival Schools (hilarious how we got such speed and mind-control resistance for what's more grounded) getting acknowledged, even if former's not officially connection-confirmed to KOF in this circle.

 

[SamanPatou]

I'm done with the SF revisions (for now, Alex will soon come out) and I'm finally diving into City of the Wolves which, btw, I haven't had yet the chance to actually play.
Today I tried to calc Kevin Rian's third super, the one where he detonates a shell on your face, but the result was pitifully lower than what they already scale to.

 

[SamanPatou]

Btw, to address the Power Geyser in the room... what do we do with Ganacci and Ronaldo?
Do we consider them to be canon and existing alongside the others, just without actually winning the tournament? (Nightmare Geese's animated movie suggests that either Rock, Terry or [more unlikely] Billy won the KoF).

Do we consider them as existing in their own bubble, so taking for granted their stories, but only for profile-making purposes? Similarly to guests in Samsho, MK, Soul Calibur etc.?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Ronaldo and Ganacci are SNK interpretations of actual irl humans given powers to fit Fatal Fury world, they are unique and with enough info to get profiles

 

[SamanPatou]

Indeed, my doubt was more on how to index them.
As always, each character ends up winning the tournament in their own arcade, defeating the usual top dogs, but we know this can't be applied as there's only one (or a mixture of more) canon ending(s).

However, Ganacci and Ronaldo are different and, given their peculiar status as guests, they could receive a special pass and be scaled to the likes of Mai, Terry and Rock, taking their own arcade as valid in regards to them alone.

It's strictly a matter of skill, considering the verse scales to one general feat, but I trust y'all get what I mean.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

It'd be great to calc that feat, though I would personally keep it only as an extra tier, considering it's the power of Terry's strongest attacks and was the move that defeated Geese, so scaling above him anyway.

At the very most, yeah I don’t think Terry should fully scale to that, but I don’t think he should be too far off from it, I think he’d downscale.

Also wonder how we should go about the EOST abilities? (My guess is we just make those optional)

 

[SamanPatou]

I'd make him "9-B, 9-A via Power Geyser" (9-A being an example, but the feat's in that range anyway).

I'm more inclined to lowkey ignore them, as they don't have much root even in pseudo-lore, like consumables (KI and SF6) or skill-trees in actual RPGs.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

I'd make him "9-B, 9-A via Power Geyser" (9-A being an example, but the feat's in that range anyway).

I mean, Geese wasn’t even knocked out from it from what I see, he survived the Power Geyser, so I think downscaling is okay personally, given they shouldn’t fully scale to that (plus those moves do more damage anyway so)

I'm more inclined to lowkey ignore them, as they don't have much root even in pseudo-lore, like consumables (KI and SF6) or skill-trees in actual RPGs.

I’m fine with that. Also with the way they function in game you can only have three at a time, and some of them have drawbacks even, it’d be really weird on a profile (Also it’s way less work to not add them let’s gooo)

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Is there anything else from COTW worth adding to profiles? Besides any new feats or abilities

 

[Tonygameman]

UMvC3 profiles at least had H&H Mode cards' three-limitation written on their weakness sections. (not like they'll be used in debates unlike Gems anyhow, but hey, they were added for completion's sake)

@BlackDarkness679 Bison VS Rugal blog's team did have some notes marked down for COTW (and MOTW a little), which's doc I also picked up The Last Blade's feats from that link.

 

[SamanPatou]

I mean, Geese wasn’t even knocked out from it from what I see, he survived the Power Geyser, so I think downscaling is okay personally, given they shouldn’t fully scale to that (plus those moves do more damage anyway so)

Yes, but it overpowered his Raging Storm completely and it clearly the final hit against which he coulnd't entirely defend, and Terry wasn't trying to kill him anyway.
It would be a misleading downscaling, because it would be like scaling a human to the KE of a car that hits them without outright killing them, or things like that.
You would also have the characters scale to a durability so high their normal punches that scale to 9-B shouldn't even graze them.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

@BlackDarkness679 Bison VS Rugal blog's team did have some notes marked down for COTW (and MOTW a little), which's doc I also picked up The Last Blade's feats from that link.

That reminded me @Jamesthetaker (I know I cant tag, but at least gets your attention), there is some info for speed that may potentially help you for KOF in there, also a few AP feats as well, its worth giving it a look to see them

 

[SamanPatou]

@BlackDarkness679 Bison VS Rugal blog's team did have some notes marked down for COTW (and MOTW a little), which's doc I also picked up The Last Blade's feats from that link.

Not to be a party pooper, but I'd say none of those feats is relevant of notice, aside from Andy's, which may be at a higher level of 9-B than what we currently rate the characters, and maaaaybe Grant's, though a calc member should judge it with good scrutiny.

Iirc tornadoes give disappointingly low results unless they really are massive in size and Kevin's explosion is just too small, even the one from his third super didn't yield anything surprising.

Bursts of energy alone aren't useful, as we rate the damage they cause. I don't approve Kim Dong moving in tandem with lightning, as it doesn't match any of our requirements for it to be a "real one", but CotW explicitly confirms he makes them with his own legs anyway. Sending people flying very high is also high 9-C to very low 9-B, so quite useless.
B. Jenet's explosive shells may be useful in theory but the explosion they let out is way too small anyway.

Funnily enough, they didn't spot these blatant subsonic feats that do count as an upgrade for the verse.

 

[Lonkitt]

Btw, to address the Power Geyser in the room... what do we do with Ganacci and Ronaldo?

We don't add them because they suck

 

[SamanPatou]

these blatant subsonic feats that do count as an upgrade for the verse.

I hereby declare, my virtue of my half-headcanon, that ninjas do hold higher but not incomparable movement speed over the rest of the cast according to this evidence.