General Godzilla Discussion

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I'd say it's closer to this

This guy kind of resembles Titan X, just with fewer tentacles.

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

This guy kind of resembles Titan X, just with fewer tentacles.

Looks more like Titan X than Biollante

 

[Bigdongus]

Imagine not knowing the kino cinema that is the sharktopus series

 

[Oiguana2701]

This guy kind of resembles Titan X, just with fewer tentacles.

It's actually closer in size to that one kaiju skeleton used as a bridge in GxK

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Imagine not knowing the kino cinema that is the sharktopus series

Imagine taking my joke seriously.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Looks more like Titan X than Biollante

Yeah, it does.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

It's actually closer in size to that one kaiju skeleton used as a bridge in GxK

No way...how big is it?

 

[Bigdongus]

Imagine taking my joke seriously.

My post was a joke too lmao. The movies are garbage

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

My post was a joke too lmao. The movies are garbage

Just to be clear, I was joking; it was meant in a playful way. lol

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Yeah, maybe next time I’ll throw in a ‘lol’ or ‘XD’ so it’s obvious I’m kidding.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I’m actually pretty interested in those little monsters that worship Titan X.

 

[Oiguana2701]

No way...how big is it?

It's like, 1.5 km long. Pretty big imo

 

[TyranoDoom30]

I heard there were some pretty OP weapons in Atragon as well. I still haven't watched the movie but from what i've been told it is said that they are so powerful that if enough were made it would bust the galaxy

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I heard there were some pretty OP weapons in Atragon as well. I still haven't watched the movie but from what i've been told it is said that they are so powerful that if enough were made it would bust the galaxy

I recall that they were bombs, but if anything, they should only scale to the humans who deployed them and maybe to the Atragon.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

It's like, 1.5 km long. Pretty big imo

Wow! It would be a good match for adult Clover.

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

I’m actually pretty interested in those little monsters that worship Titan X.

They look kind of like horseshoe crabs to me, but mabey that's just the angle

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

They look kind of like horseshoe crabs to me, but mabey that's just the angle

Yeah, maybe they are crabs.

 

[That_moron2]

They look kind of like horseshoe crabs to me, but mabey that's just the angle

I think those are like its spawn or something. I don’t think they are crabs

 

[TyranoDoom30]

I recall that they were bombs, but if anything, they should only scale to the humans who deployed them and maybe to the Atragon.

Considering Ghidorah is consistenly stated to be the strongest being in the universe with the strongest attacks/weapons in the universe, who knows

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

Considering Ghidorah is consistenly stated to be the strongest being in the universe with the strongest attacks/weapons in the universe, who knows

Hmm… it feels like you may be trying to push an upgrade through multiple angles, first with Dorola and then with Atragon.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I think those are like its spawn or something. I don’t think they are crabs

Yeah, probably they are.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Considering Ghidorah is consistenly stated to be the strongest being in the universe with the strongest attacks/weapons in the universe, who knows

The scans stating that Ghidorah’s attacks or weapons are the strongest in the universe are made in comparison to other alien forces, such as the Garogas, and to other kaiju-based weapons, like Godzilla’s Atomic Breath. The Atragon is human-made technology, so it would not be included in that comparison.

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

The scans stating that Ghidorah’s attacks or weapons are the strongest in the universe are made in comparison to other alien forces, such as the Garogas, and to other kaiju-based weapons, like Godzilla’s Atomic Breath. The Atragon is human-made technology, so it would not be included in that comparison.

Gonna side with this

 

[That_moron2]

The scans stating that Ghidorah’s attacks or weapons are the strongest in the universe are made in comparison to other alien forces, such as the Garogas, and to other kaiju-based weapons, like Godzilla’s Atomic Breath. The Atragon is human-made technology, so it would not be included in that comparison.

Sadly this makes sense

 

[TyranoDoom30]

The scans stating that Ghidorah’s attacks or weapons are the strongest in the universe are made in comparison to other alien forces, such as the Garogas, and to other kaiju-based weapons, like Godzilla’s Atomic Breath. The Atragon is human-made technology, so it would not be included in that comparison.

Based on? They alone being stated to be the strongest weapons in the universe (which would logically include Earth and the bombs since bombs are weapons) should make him upscale them.

Plus, i heavily doubt Toho actually intends for random human weaponry to be stronger than the likes of Ghidorah. Also, considering how unstoppable the likes of Godzilla or Ghidorah are to mankind, i wouldn't be suprised if there was a statement calling Godzilla unstoppable to mankind or the strongest force to ever appear on Earth (There is one but that's for 62 Goji, not sure if there are other ones)

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Based on? They alone being stated to be the strongest weapons in the universe (which would logically include Earth and the bombs since bombs are weapons) should make him upscale them.

I think you may be taking the scans out of context:

• The first one says Ghidorah is unrivaled in space, which suggests he is the strongest alien force.
• The second scan refers to kaiju-based weapons, which is why it directly compares Ghidorah with Godzilla’s attacks.
• The third scan specifically describes Ghidorah as the strongest Garoga force.

Plus, i heavily doubt Toho actually intends for random human weaponry to be stronger than the likes of Ghidorah. Also, considering how unstoppable the likes of Godzilla or Ghidorah are to mankind, i wouldn't be suprised if there was a statement calling Godzilla unstoppable to mankind or the strongest force to ever appear on Earth (There is one but that's for 62 Goji, not sure if there are other ones)

What matters on this wiki are feats and properly contextualized statements. Claims like “unstoppable to mankind” or “the strongest on Earth” aren’t accepted unless they’re supported by measurable feats.

Also, to clarify, that explosive wasn’t human-made but from the Mu Empire, and if I remember correctly, the “galaxy-level” description was a mistranslation; the intended destructive potential is planetary at most, not literally galactic.

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Also, to clarify, that explosive wasn’t human-made but from the Mu Empire, and if I remember correctly, the “galaxy-level” description was a mistranslation; the intended destructive potential is planetary at most, not literally galactic.

Do you have the scan?

 

[SpikeTheEditor]

I’m actually pretty interested in those little monsters that worship Titan X.

I’m into those little guys too.

 

[SpikeTheEditor]

Also, to clarify, that explosive wasn’t human-made but from the Mu Empire, and if I remember correctly, the “galaxy-level” description was a mistranslation; the intended destructive potential is planetary at most, not literally galactic.

Yeah, the Garogas are the top race in terms of technology and weaponry in the Showa era, so it wouldn’t really make sense for them to be surpassed by the Mu Empire. lol

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Do you have the scan?

The statement about galaxy or universe level explosives comes from The War in Space (1977), not Atragon. That film is a standalone Toho sci-fi movie and is not part of any Godzilla continuity.

Therefore, those statements cannot be used to scale the Showa Gotengo or any Godzilla-related material, since they belong to a separate continuity.

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

The statement about galaxy or universe level explosives comes from The War in Space (1977), not Atragon. That film is a standalone Toho sci-fi movie and is not part of any Godzilla continuity.

Therefore, those statements cannot be used to scale the Showa Gotengo or any Godzilla-related material, since they belong to a separate continuity.

Yeah, it seemed really odd to me that the Mu Empire would have Galaxy level explosives when they’re not as advanced as the Garogas.

 

[TyranoDoom30]

The statement about galaxy or universe level explosives comes from The War in Space (1977), not Atragon. That film is a standalone Toho sci-fi movie and is not part of any Godzilla continuity.

How you know this? Usually most if not all Showa Toho movies were in the same universe. It's also made by Tanaka and iirc it's usually included among the Showa Era alongside Godzilla in guides and the ship is a blatant variation of the Gotengo, even being named "Super Gotengo" in some sources

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

How you know this? Usually most if not all Showa Toho movies were in the same universe.

The War in Space has never been included in any official Godzilla timeline shown in Toho guidebooks. Those timelines only list films directly connected to Godzilla, and since this movie is a standalone sci-fi story with no narrative link to the series, it is consistently excluded.

It's also made by Tanaka and iirc it's usually included among the Showa Era alongside Godzilla in guides and the ship is a blatant variation of the Gotengo, even being named "Super Gotengo" in some sources

Gohten is its actual name, not ‘Super Gotengo.’ In the film itself, the name Gotengo is never mentioned, so the only connection between the two is their visual design.

Also, the events in War in Space contradict the Showa Godzilla continuity, these are some examples:

• It shows multiple world cities heavily attacked/damaged in 1988, yet those same cities are intact later in Destroy All Monsters in the 20th century, with no mention of a prior alien world war.
• There’s no appearance or reference to Godzilla or any other kaiju despite a planet-level invasion.

Probably there are additional events in War in Space that also contradict the Showa Godzilla continuity, but given these inconsistencies, it’s understandable why Toho ultimately chose not to include it in that timeline in their guidebooks.

 

[TyranoDoom30]

The War in Space has never been included in any official Godzilla timeline shown in Toho guidebooks. Those timelines only list films directly connected to Godzilla, and since this movie is a standalone sci-fi story with no narrative link to the series, it is consistently excluded.

For example? There are inumerable guidebooks with differing timelines. Some of them don't include other Toho movies and others do, others don't count King Kong Escapes and others do, some only focus on Godzilla movies and others don't. You would have to show it, yeah

Gohten is its actual name, not Super Gotengo.

"Gohten" is one of the alternative names of the Gotengo in official sources such as the Heisei Godzilla Perfection. Additionally, it is called that in official merchandise.

It shows multiple world cities heavily attacked/damaged in 1988, yet those same cities are intact later in Destroy All Monsters in the 20th century, with no mention of a prior alien world war.

DaM takes place in 1999, not during 1988. Futhermore, many events like the Mysterians are not mentioned in the Godzilla movies and that is (from what i remember) canon to Showa Godzilla. Also, DaM was made in 1968, this was made in 1977, and Showa Era hasn't shown to have the best consistency in the timeline either, with the most blatant example being Godzilla vs Gigan straight up contradicting DaM which was later retconned to be after it. The destruction also wasn't total.

There’s no appearance or reference to Godzilla or any other kaiju despite a planet-level invasion.

There is no reference to Godzilla in many Toho kaiju movies either. Also, the battle takes place in space and Godzilla doesn't have interest in human affairs. Futher, Gorath has the story of an enormous planet set to destroy Earth, no Godzilla. This is because this isn't a Godzilla movie

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

For example? There are inumerable guidebooks with differing timelines. Some of them don't include other Toho movies and others do, others don't count King Kong Escapes and others do, some only focus on Godzilla movies and others don't. You would have to show it, yeah

No, you would need to provide a source showing that any official timeline actually includes The War in Space. The burden of proof is on the person making that claim.

"Gohten" is one of the alternative names of the Gotengo in official sources such as the Heisei Godzilla Perfection.

The ships are different in design and context. You can’t treat the Gohten from War in Space as the same vessel from the Showa continuity based on name alone; that’s not enough to prove they’re the same.

Additionally, it is called that in official merchandise.

This is a Toy Card 100 source, though; the same line that includes alternate versions of multiple Showa era kaiju like Hyper MOGUERA, Ancient Titanosaurus and Gigan Mark 2. Because of that, it shouldn’t be treated as primary continuity evidence, since these cards often feature non-canon or alternate interpretations.

DaM takes place in 1999, not during 1988. Futhermore, many events like the Mysterians are not mentioned in the Godzilla movies and that is canon to Showa Godzilla. Also, DaM was made in 1968, this was made in 1977. The destruction also wasn't total.

The date difference doesn’t fix the continuity problem. Destroy All Monsters shows major cities intact near the end of the 20th century, while The War in Space depicts coordinated attacks on those same capitals. An event that large should have lasting consequences or references, but none appear.

The Mysterians are explicitly acknowledged in later Showa material and guidebooks, whereas War in Space is not. Without an explicit continuity link, it shouldn’t be treated as part of Showa canon.

There is no reference to Godzilla in many Toho kaiju movies either. Also, the battle takes place in space and Godzilla doesn't have interest in human affairs. Futher, Gorath has the story of an enormous planet set to destroy Earth, no Godzilla. This is because this isn't a Godzilla movie

Lack of a Godzilla reference alone isn’t the point. The issue is continuity evidence. Films like Gorath are explicitly tied into Kiryu Saga era materials and guidebooks, while The War in Space is not. Canon inclusion depends on documented timeline links, not just whether Godzilla appears or cares about the events.

 

[TyranoDoom30]

No, you would need to provide a source showing that any official timeline actually includes The War in Space. The burden of proof is on the person making that claim

I asked you first to show those timelines first. So you would have to be proving that.

The ships are different in design and context

Both are grey reddish war ships with a giant drill whose names mean Roaring Heavens that were used to defend Earth against evil forces. Again, Gohten is an alternative name for the Gotengo in official sources.

Destroy All Monsters shows major cities intact near the end of the 20th century, while The War in Space depicts coordinated attacks on those same capitals. An event that large should have lasting consequences or references, but none appear.

You don't see the specific area where those cities are attacked and you haven't yet mentioned how much those are destroyed. Again, Showa Era hasn't shown the best consistency. According to what i've been found, it takes only 10-20 years for a completely destroyed city to rebuild itself. Unless those were completely destroyed, i can see them taking shorter time to rebuild. And again, you're expecting references to a movie that didn't exist until years after DaM

The Mysterians are explicitly acknowledged in later Showa material and guidebooks, whereas War in Space is not.

Based on?

Lack of a Godzilla reference alone isn’t the point. The issue is continuity evidence. Films like Gorath are explicitly tied into Kiryu Saga era materials and guidebooks

The Kiryu Saga is a different continuity from Showa Era

Also, you still haven't showed the scan for us to see wherever it's a mistranslation or not

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I asked you first to show those timelines first. So you would have to be proving that.

I’m not particularly interested in this topic, so I don’t see why I would need to provide that information. You were the one who brought up the timeline claim and are continuing to argue for it, so the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.

Since you said you asked me to show the timelines first, please go ahead and provide them so we can evaluate them directly. Otherwise, I don’t think there’s much more to discuss here. I won’t be using this material further on my end.

Both are grey reddish war ships with a giant drill whose names mean Roaring Heavens that were used to defend Earth against evil forces. Again, Gohten is an alternative name for the Gotengo in official sources.

While both ships share some similarities, Toho has a long history of reusing concepts and designs across their productions. There isn't any narrative connection, as their origin stories are different, their designs are different, their colors are different, their sizes are different, their weights are different, and their powers are different, etc.

I don’t see any actual story or lore connection between them. There are no shared events, references, or confirmations tying the two films together, so visual similarities alone aren’t sufficient to treat them as canon to the same continuity.

Goten

Gotengo [Showa]

You don't see the specific area where those cities are attacked and you haven't yet mentioned how much those are destroyed. Again, Showa Era hasn't shown the best consistency. According to what i've been found, it takes only 10-20 years for a completely destroyed city to rebuild itself. Unless those were completely destroyed, i can see them taking shorter time to rebuild. And again, you're expecting references to a movie that didn't exist until years after DaM

By the time that movie was released, the Showa era of Godzilla had already ended, so it’s difficult to argue that Toho intended it to be part of that continuity. In practice, it stands outside the Showa timeline.

Based on?

Based on the fact that in all my years I’ve never found a single scan that references The War in Space as part of the Showa era; there’s literally nothing linking it. It’s also never referenced in the Heisei or Millennium era films, which further suggests it isn’t meant to be canon to the main Godzilla continuities. As we know, standalone Showa films like Space Amoeba and Gorath were later incorporated into the Kiryu Saga. However, this was never the case with The War in Space, which indicates that Toho treats it as a standalone entry in their catalog, with no intention of integrating it into any Godzilla continuity.

The Kiryu Saga is a different continuity from Showa Era

I know; the point is that Gorath was mentioned in Godzilla guidebooks.

I don’t believe there’s sufficient evidence to treat The War in Space as canon to any Godzilla continuity, especially in the absence of explicit narrative confirmation. I think we’ve both made our points, and unless there’s official material clearly linking them, I don’t consider it part of any Godzilla timeline.

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

While both ships share some similarities, Toho has a long history of reusing concepts and designs across their productions. There isn't any narrative connection, as their origin stories are different, their designs are different, their colors are different, their sizes are different, their weights are different, and their powers are different, etc.

I don’t see any actual story or lore connection between them. There are no shared events, references, or confirmations tying the two films together, so visual similarities alone aren’t sufficient to treat them as canon to the same continuity.

Goten

Gotengo [Showa]

I agree with Apex’s arguments here. It’s pretty clear that the Gohten and the Gotengo are different ships, and the continuity distinction makes sense.

 

[That_moron2]

I feel like the war in space being excluded from any canon timelines should be enough to tell us it is non-canon

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Ok so there seems to be an official mook book of the film under the Godzilla Special Effects books, being Volume 26. I am however being unable to find any actual images of the book other than the cover. So unless we manage to get the scans and that the scans say that it has a direct relation to other movies i think we should ignore it for now. I personally wouldn't but whatever