One Piece new chapter spoilers thread

[Stefano4444]

It’s kinda funny, she could’ve won if she fought smarter, and both Kidd+Law still only won through BFR plus bombs.

Well Big Mom was never the smartest, like is not even bad writting its kinda consistent, especially if she underestimate her opponents.

Katakuri got mega power crept too which is so funny, when Big Mom is supposed to have one of the strongest crews. Perospero probably had better feats in Wano than Kat.

On that i have to disagree, people have trully overestimated the actual power creep we got on Wano, sure when it come to the Emperors they are now definitely on a different league compare to the rest of their crews to the point that it isn't funny, same with the Admirals.

But Katakuri getting power creep by everyone even Tobiroppo and the weakest Straw Hats at Wano? Like you don't even need Perospero to disprove that notion (not that his feats aren't valid, as despite be not strong enough to be a Sweet Commander he still manage to showcase feats comparable to the other Tobiroppo), as its not like Ulti perform was that impressive when Luffy was actively conserving his strength to fight Kaido, like Base Luffy easily speedblitzed her and Ulti only briefly manage to take a hold of him in her Zoan Form.

Then there its the idea that Boundman Luffy before Wano its physically weak, but people seen to forget or ignore he feat he performed.

1) Whole Cake Island Boundman could briefly clash with Big Mom where she even need to use Armament Haki to block his name (a non named attack), and sure he was forced to detransform yet Luffy still push BM into actually putting more effort into defending herself, that alone its better than anything Queen ever manage to do when he fought a Big Mom with amnesia who couldn't properly use her full strength.

And while that Boundman was physically stronger than Katakuri, its not like the latter was a glass cannon as he manage to survive several direct named attacks from Boundman only resulting him into getting moderately damaged (as he then counterattack with Awakening which attacks that match Boundman), not enough to knocking him out or seriously handicapping him as he quickly recover from those blows.

2) Dressrosa Boundman was strong enough to physically break thought Doflamingo's strings by just transforming, and while it doesn't sound impressive, it actually its as there its solid evidence that suggest Doffy's strings to be physically above himself (in terms of Durability at least), as back in Pre Timeskip we see that nobody its strong enough to break his Parasite, with even affecting a Top Commander like Jozu as Doffy manage to stop his charge against Crocodile enough that he could have a conversation with him.

And sure we know that Jozu was free later but we don't know how exactly it happen, with the most likely explanation that he eventually manage to break thought those strings, still the fact that he actually had to put effort into that indicate that to physically overpower Doffy's Strings you need Top Commanders's level of strength. That its also further back up by how strong the Birdcage was showcase with Issho's meteors be unable to break them.

Sure we know Issho was heavily supressing himself back then, yet the strength requid to be able to withstand casual non named attacks from Top Tiers was ever reserved to the likes of Ace, Jozu and Vista which again show there its some consistently on Doffy Strings <= Top Commanders, even when Issho instead to intervene directly by assisting on effort of stopping the Birdcage, is not like the Birdcage break and it actually took a bit before it could stop giving more time to Luffy to finish off Doflamingo, which again further prove my point.

The only thing that could contradict its his Black Knight which had been damaged by weaker characters, but i feel like that its mean to be inferior to the real Doflamingo, as we know a single barrage from Gear 2nd could break it a part yet we know the true Doflamingo its far stronger than that Gear 2nd Luffy, and it make sense an we know that he can alter the property of his strings if we wish like with Overheat.

But then in Early Whole Cake Island we actually see Charlotte Cracker its actually capable to nearly slice his arm off with a swing of his sword, which show that even the weakest Sweet Commanders should be capable to harm people on the caliber of Jozu, Ace and Vista. And sure i don't think that make Cracker equal to them (as i do believe he its still weaker by a decent margin) but it does show that his physical prowess greater than a Tobiroppo and its more on the level of Jack (with him scaling from the Nine Scabbards who with combine effort can damage Kaido or him facing Issho while try to rescue Doffy and still escaping).

 

[Bananossauro]

I think its really really cool that you always pull all the reasoning when the Kat powercliff gets brought up. Thats passion.

I don't necessarily disagree, but there still is Base Luffy dura and reaction feats against Kaido during Roof piece thats makes those stats compable if not superior to the enraged BoundMan during early wano (he straight up gets bonked on the head from a TB and gets back up). This can be justified by Luffy preserving his strengh to fight the Big Boys but I'm pretty sure there is a statment for Luffy never holding back (just that he sometimes dont go all out, different things) but thats to be decided in the rescaling CRT when it happens.

But also, I don't even think the Tobiropo are the worst example of the power creep. Its fragging Scratchmen Apoo that, due to harming the Roofpiece dumbasses with sound waves that are duraneg that can One shot Base Queen, Jack and all of the commanders of the Big Mom Pirates

 

[Stefano4444]

But also, I don't even think the Tobiropo are the worst example of the power creep. Its fragging Scratchmen Apoo that, due to harming the Roofpiece dumbasses with sound waves that are duraneg that can One shot Base Queen, Jack and all of the commanders of the Big Mom Pirates

I mean if we assume his sounds are duraneg i don't see why that count as power creep, if anything its make more sense as just having one strong ability doesn't necessarely means that he its now above Jack or that he can oneshot Top Commanders, sure he harm Luffy but its not like he oneshot him or did any significant injury.

Like even with duraneg he still lost against two CP0 agents even with help of X Drake, while Izou manage to fight them and defeat one of them, sure he did die but remember that when he fought them he was already seriously injured after he and the othe Scabbards fought Kaido.

 

[Stefano4444]

Base Luffy dura and reaction feats against Kaido during Roof piece thats makes those stats compable if not superior to the enraged BoundMan during early wano (he straight up gets bonked on the head from a TB and gets back up).

That isn't necessarely the case, as back then Luffy believe that his friends had been killed so when facing Kaido he was really enraged, likely on allow him to use FS properly, which its further back up when later Luffy did complain about that despite using FS he still got partially hit by the same attack, with the latter even praising Luffy about actually making sure he doesn't get down by the same attack.

And as show in the previous arc to fully utilize Observation Haki (and especially FS) you need to have a calm mind or at least focus otherwise you can't use it, as show when Katakuri got mad when his face was reveal to Luffy, so if that Boundman fought Katakuri he would also end up be outspeed/speedblized, thought probably not to the same extend and Kata wouldn't be able to oneshot him.

And for the other stats, i definitely agree that demostrate far greater Durability than before, though i do think Kata would either be comparable if not still a bit stronger/faster than post Udon Base Luffy, even if not by a massive degree.

This can be justified by Luffy preserving his strengh to fight the Big Boys but I'm pretty sure there is a statment for Luffy never holding back (just that he sometimes dont go all out, different things) but thats to be decided in the rescaling CRT when it happens.

While he usually doesn't hold back out of respect, during the Raid Yamato did note that Luffy was going all out when facing Ulti and later Sanji did warn Luffy about not wasting energy to fodder as to conserve his strength for Kaido, as then Jinbe and Sanji start support him by taking care of any Beast Pirates going in their way to the Rooftop, i think its fair to say that the Topiroppo in general has even less to no good reason to get into the possibly Small Planet level.

But yeah a CRT would be necessary for that.

 

[Bananossauro]

That isn't necessarely the case, as back then Luffy believe that his friends had been killed so when facing Kaido he was really enraged, likely on allow him to use FS properly, which its further back up when later Luffy did complain about that despite using FS he still got partially hit by the same attack, with the latter even praising Luffy about actually making sure he doesn't get down by the same attack.

The FS is bit is something I always forget about so yea maybe not speed since FS has shown to be a G4 level amp to reaction, but that's not a partial hit in my eyes man he conected on his head and Luffy got back up.
Sure being enraged might messed up his Observation, but that could not nerf his dura in any way.
The rest are stuff that I kinda agree so not much to add (tough the tobiropo would not be small planet level or whateaver the admiral/yonko would scale, just above Kat/early Wano BoundMan and not close to the top tiers)

But

I mean if we assume his sounds are duraneg i don't see why that count as power creep, if anything its make more sense as just having one strong ability doesn't necessarely means that he its now above Jack or that he can oneshot Top Commanders, sure he harm Luffy but its not like he oneshot him or did any significant injury.

Like even with duraneg he still lost against two CP0 agents even with help of X Drake, while Izou manage to fight them and defeat one of them, sure he did die but remember that when he fought them he was already seriously injured after he and the othe Scabbards fought Kaido.

In the current profiles, Apoo is noted to have duraneg and is scaled to moon level (around hybrid Queen/King and the rest of the lowest top tiers bar the scabbards). Tough not plot breaking, it be pretty funny when you think about it.

 

[SlendVeny]

I can't wait to see the Luffy Loki and Ragnir page. Is it crazy to say this is the strongest trio in One Piece?

Krieg, Pearl, and Gin

 

[Kachon123]

Krieg, Pearl, and Gin

Fair

 

[Antvasima]

Does Ragnir count as a separate combatant or "just" as Loki's weapon?

 

[Kachon123]

Does Ragnir count as a separate combatant or "just" as Loki's weapon?

I was planning on making a separate Ragnir profile, I'd just like to see more from him on the Sun Realm before I commit to posting my draft in a sandbox

 

[Legion350]

Well Big Mom was never the smartest, like is not even bad writting its kinda consistent, especially if she underestimate her opponents.


On that i have to disagree, people have trully overestimated the actual power creep we got on Wano, sure when it come to the Emperors they are now definitely on a different league compare to the rest of their crews to the point that it isn't funny, same with the Admirals.

But Katakuri getting power creep by everyone even Tobiroppo and the weakest Straw Hats at Wano? Like you don't even need Perospero to disprove that notion (not that his feats aren't valid, as despite be not strong enough to be a Sweet Commander he still manage to showcase feats comparable to the other Tobiroppo), as its not like Ulti perform was that impressive when Luffy was actively conserving his strength to fight Kaido, like Base Luffy easily speedblitzed her and Ulti only briefly manage to take a hold of him in her Zoan Form.

Then there its the idea that Boundman Luffy before Wano its physically weak, but people seen to forget or ignore he feat he performed.

1) Whole Cake Island Boundman could briefly clash with Big Mom where she even need to use Armament Haki to block his name (a non named attack), and sure he was forced to detransform yet Luffy still push BM into actually putting more effort into defending herself, that alone its better than anything Queen ever manage to do when he fought a Big Mom with amnesia who couldn't properly use her full strength.

And while that Boundman was physically stronger than Katakuri, its not like the latter was a glass cannon as he manage to survive several direct named attacks from Boundman only resulting him into getting moderately damaged (as he then counterattack with Awakening which attacks that match Boundman), not enough to knocking him out or seriously handicapping him as he quickly recover from those blows.

2) Dressrosa Boundman was strong enough to physically break thought Doflamingo's strings by just transforming, and while it doesn't sound impressive, it actually its as there its solid evidence that suggest Doffy's strings to be physically above himself (in terms of Durability at least), as back in Pre Timeskip we see that nobody its strong enough to break his Parasite, with even affecting a Top Commander like Jozu as Doffy manage to stop his charge against Crocodile enough that he could have a conversation with him.

And sure we know that Jozu was free later but we don't know how exactly it happen, with the most likely explanation that he eventually manage to break thought those strings, still the fact that he actually had to put effort into that indicate that to physically overpower Doffy's Strings you need Top Commanders's level of strength. That its also further back up by how strong the Birdcage was showcase with Issho's meteors be unable to break them.

Sure we know Issho was heavily supressing himself back then, yet the strength requid to be able to withstand casual non named attacks from Top Tiers was ever reserved to the likes of Ace, Jozu and Vista which again show there its some consistently on Doffy Strings <= Top Commanders, even when Issho instead to intervene directly by assisting the other effort into stopping the Birdcage, is not like the Birdcage break and it actually took a bit before it could stop giving more time to Luffy to finish off Doflamingo, which again further prove my point.

The only thing that could contradict its his Black Knight which had been damaged by weaker characters, but i feel like that its mean to be inferior to the real Doflamingo, as we know a single barrage from Gear 2nd could break it a part yet we know the true Doflamingo its far stronger than that Gear 2nd Luffy, and it make sense an we know that he can alter the property of his strings if we wish like with Overheat.

But then in Early Whole Cake Island we actually see Charlotte Cracker its actually capable to nearly slice his arm off with a swing of his sword, which show that even the weakest Sweet Commanders should be capable to harm people on the caliber of Jozu, Ace and Vista. And sure i don't think that make Cracker equal to them (as i do believe he its still weaker by a decent margin) but it does show that his physical prowess greater than a Tobiroppo and its more on the level of Jack (with him scaling from the Nine Scabbards who with combine effort can damage Kaido or him facing Issho while try to rescue Doffy and still escaping).

I agree somewhat. I don’t think Katakuri is fodder for the Tobiroppo. I think Cracker is roughly at the level of Jack and Kat is a bit above.

I have a bit of an issue with the Jozu argument. Jozu was caught off guard, and we don’t know how long it took for him to break them. Whereas Luffy was focused on the strings themselves. With that said, I don’t think Doffy's strings are weak either.

Also, the Fujitora argument falls in the same category for me. We know he was holding back to an unknown extent, and he didn’t interfere as much to prevent the Marines from covering up what happened in Dressrosa. Boundman isn’t weak, but we don’t have a basis to compare his durability with Ace, Vista, or Jozu [I don’t remember Doffy injuring Jozu with his threads].

When I say Katakuri was power crept, I mean he is weaker than what I’d expect from the second strongest in the crew. Especially compared to Marco or King.

 

[SlendVeny]

Does Ragnir count as a separate combatant or "just" as Loki's weapon?

Ragnir is a seperate combatant for sure

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Warcury seemed to be far more durable

We never actually saw Gear 5 Luffy use con haki infusion like he did with Hybrid Kaido... So I don't think it's at all valid to compare their durability, especially since we know how big of a power up adv con haki is

The last punch Luffy threw whenever he used Gear 5 still somewhat affected Warcury based on his eyes switching into a more serious/worried look

and likely more powerful, than Kaido going by their comparative performances against Luffy, but Warcury likely used to be far more powerful than the other elder stars, until Garling joined.

this also just isn't true, the only attack he made was both blocked and then overpowered by dorry and brogy... With Saturn's explosives also destroying Warcury "to bits"

I don't see Dorry and Brogy doing that against Kaido, especially when serious and using adv con haki... This also isn't factoring in his Flame Dragon form which would be even more powerful

Warcury's strengths relies on his hardness and durability, but they haven't gone against Gear 5 con haki infusion so Kaido still has the better durability feat for now

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

So what I believe is that:

Elbaph’s warship are at least hundreds of meters to kms already, the nightmare monster nika’s head alone was relative to the ship, making it at least many kms in size, Nika being one of the smaller sized creature would make some of the rest many tens of kms and would potentially make Dragon form Loki hundreds of kms in size, being similar to flame dragon Kaido

(Also using Loki and Jarul size here would make the houses over hundreds of meters and relative to domi reverse giants with small nightmare monsters being even larger and big nightmare monster even more)

This makes sense to me and stays very consistent with the portrayal and what Oda might be trying to convey

 

[Stefano4444]

I have a bit of an issue with the Jozu argument. Jozu was caught off guard, and we don’t know how long it took for him to break them. Whereas Luffy was focused on the strings themselves. With that said, I don’t think Doffy's strings are weak either.

Sure Doffy used his Parasite while Jozu was distracted to beat Crocodile, but again the fact that those strings did not break and could withstand Jozu's charge does still indicate that even people on that caliber can't break those strings at least without effort.

And like why he would have allow Doffy keep to him trapped if he could have ovepower his Parasite everytime he wanted? He definitely wasn't interested to hear the conversation between him and Crocodile, especially when he was in the middle of a war to rescue his sworn brother Ace.

I think make more sense that he did break to his own, but he still need to put actual effort, meaning we can make the fair assumption that Doffy's Strings Durability <= Jozu's AP/Striking Strength (and also Lifting Strength too technically speaking).

Also, the Fujitora argument falls in the same category for me. We know he was holding back to an unknown extent, and he didn’t interfere as much to prevent the Marines from covering up what happened in Dressrosa.

Of course that Fujitora was holding back to an unknown extent, yet having the necessary durability to withstand casual attacks from him still something that most character in verse can't replicate.

And in the general only Top Commanders have show the necessary raw strength to actually withstand casual not named attacks from the Top Tiers.

So despite Fujitora holding back to an unknown extent, i think this its still a valid feat to use and its consistent with what it was show in Marineford.

Boundman isn’t weak, but we don’t have a basis to compare his durability with Ace, Vista, or Jozu [I don’t remember Doffy injuring Jozu with his threads].

He didn't injured but he still block him in position, which its the reason why i specifically say that the Strings's Durability scale to Jozu.

To be honest i can only see Doffy's AP reaching that level with his Awakening, but even then Boundman Luffy was still far stronger so at best he get a possibly higher/far higher.

When I say Katakuri was power crept, I mean he is weaker than what I’d expect from the second strongest in the crew. Especially compared to Marco or King.

I mean its unfair to compare anyone to Marco when he himself overwhelm both King and Queen at the same time and only lost due of Stamina, and that without mention that he could clash Big Mom and briefly overpower her, and he was the one who clash the most often against Admirals back at Marineford, he clearly in the Top Commander+ Tier.

And in case of King, i personally think its not as much of a stomp, sure King its far too durable even for Awakening yet i think there its argument that Katakuri's FS would outspeed King (at least with his flame on, flame off may close the gap yet it would make him less durable), and for AP i think King has the edge but i don't believe Katakuri is that far off, especially with Awakening.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

One Piece spoilers are the only one that i don't like, they are the only one with no pics, all hype and misinformations

 

[Antvasima]

One Piece spoilers are the only one that i don't like, they are the only one with no pics, all hype and misinformations

The "official" spoilers at Worstgen seem to usually be accurate.

 

[Antvasima]

We never actually saw Gear 5 Luffy use con haki infusion like he did with Hybrid Kaido... So I don't think it's at all valid to compare their durability, especially since we know how big of a power up adv con haki is

The last punch Luffy threw whenever he used Gear 5 still somewhat affected Warcury based on his eyes switching into a more serious/worried look

this also just isn't true, the only attack he made was both blocked and then overpowered by dorry and brogy... With Saturn's explosives also destroying Warcury "to bits"

I don't see Dorry and Brogy doing that against Kaido, especially when serious and using adv con haki... This also isn't factoring in his Flame Dragon form which would be even more powerful

Warcury's strengths relies on his hardness and durability, but they haven't gone against Gear 5 con haki infusion so Kaido still has the better durability feat for now

I suppose that those seem to be good points.

 

[Legion350]

Sure Doffy used his Parasite while Jozu was distracted to beat Crocodile, but again the fact that those strings did not break and could withstand Jozu's charge does still indicate that even people on that caliber can't break those strings at least without effort.

And like why he would have allow Doffy keep him trapped if he could have ovepower his Parasite everytime he wanted? He definitely wasn't interested to hear the conversation between him and Crocodile, especially when he was in the middle of a war to rescue his sworn brother Ace.

I think make more sense that if he did break to his own, but he still need to put actual effort, meaning we can make the fair assumption that Doffy's Strings Durability <= Jozu's AP/Striking Strength/Lifting Strength.


Of course that Fujitora was holding back to an unknown extent, yet having the necessary durability to withstand casual attacks from him still something that most character in verse can't replicate.

And in the general only Top Commanders have show the necessary raw strength to actually withstand casual not named attacks from the Top Tiers.

So despite Fujitora holding back to an unknown extent, i think this its still a valid feat to use and its consistent with what it was show in Marineford.


He didn't injured but he still block him in position, which its the reason why i specifically say that the Strings's Durability scale to Jozu.

To be honest i can only see Doffy's AP reaching that level with his Awakening, but even then Boundman Luffy was still far stronger so at best he get a possibly higher/far higher.


I mean its unfair to compare anyone to Marco when he himself overwhelm both King and Queen at the same time and only lost due of Stamina, and that without mention that he could clash Big Mom and briefly overpower her, and he was the one who clash the most often against Admirals back at Marineford, he clearly in the Top Commander+ Tier.

And in case of King, i personally think its not as much of a stomp, sure King its far too durable even for Awakening yet i think there its argument that Katakuri's FS would outspeed King (at least with his flame on, flame off may close the gap yet it would make him less durable), and for AP i think King has the edge but i don't believe Katakuri is that far off, especially with Awakening.

If you want to argue for Lifting Strength sure, but I disagree with using Doffy's strings to say anything about his AP or striking. We don’t see the strings blocking any of his attacks. And again we don’t see how he broke out.

 

[Stefano4444]

If you want to argue for Lifting Strength sure, but I disagree with using Doffy's strings to say anything about his AP or striking.

Only in terms of Durability and maybe Lifting Strength Doffy's Strings would scale to Jozu's physical strength. It wouldn't affect any of his offensive capacities.

We don’t see the strings blocking any of his attacks. And again we don’t see how he broke out.

We don't see that sure but at the same time we can assume that moves like Spider's Web should have similar physical properties as its use the same strings, and don't forget all the stuff with the Birdcage which shouldn't be far above all other Devil Fruit techniques, and if not then it should be definitely be inferior to any Awakening stuff which we know were ultimately inferior to Boundman.

 

[SlendVeny]

The "official" spoilers at Worstgen seem to usually be accurate.

Worstgen the site? Yeah.

Worstgen the guy? Dude ain't all there.

 

[Heoj]

okay, if anyones seen the new chapter raws, heres gonna be some INSANE size scaling to think about

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

So what I believe is that:

Elbaph’s warship are at least hundreds of meters to kms already, the nightmare monster nika’s head alone was relative to the ship, making it at least many kms in size, Nika being one of the smaller sized creature would make some of the rest many tens of kms and would potentially make Dragon form Loki hundreds of kms in size, being similar to flame dragon Kaido

(Also using Loki and Jarul size here would make the houses over hundreds of meters and relative to domi reverse giants with small nightmare monsters being even larger and big nightmare monster even more)

This makes sense to me and stays very consistent with the portrayal and what Oda might be trying to convey

Oof, bro is absolutely huge

 

[Damage3245]

Prepare for some size consistency issues from Oda, as usual. Somehow he was small enough to run around the inside of Aurust Castle.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Prepare for some size consistency issues from Oda, as usual. Somehow he was small enough to run around the inside of Aurust Castle.

most likely hybrid form...

+ I doubt there will be size consistency issues, maybe few minor ones tho

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Oof, bro is absolutely huge

if we assume this Luffy is the same size as giant Luffy on onigashima, Loki would basically be relative size to flame dragon Kaido

Meaning my prediction was most likely correct

Dragon form Loki hundreds of kms in size, being similar to flame dragon Kaido

 

[Fireld]

Loki the Red Eyes Black Dragon...

 

[Kachon123]

most likely hybrid form...

Definitely Hybrid

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Loki the Red Eyes Black Dragon...

Wanna see if it's actually fully black or maybe dark purple or something perhaps maybe some pink as well because of Loki's hair?

 

[Kachon123]

The teeth being black as well is interesting and a very cool design choice

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Loki also summoned a whole cumulonimbus type cloud above the village

 

[Damage3245]

What I believe happen is that he ran to Harald in his full Zoan form (since he seemed to be on all fours), then he swtiched to Hybrid to fight him.

 

[Kachon123]

Loki also summoned a whole cumulonimbus type cloud above the village

Honestly, the lightning and snow all seem to be Ragnir's power, not Loki. I don't think Loki has shown his abilities yet.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Honestly, the lightning and snow all seem to be Ragnir's power, not Loki. I don't think Loki has shown his abilities yet.

hmm I don't think so... Something similar happened with kaido as well, gaining weather type abilities but maybe

We also see a glimpse of his dragon's full body on the bottom panel

Like a thick alligator/stegosaurus type dragon

Imu's eyes also look insane, a new look which was also not shown in god valley

 

[Kachon123]

hmm I don't think so... Something similar happened with kaido as well, gaining weather type abilities but maybe

That's a power of Eastern Dragons, not Western ones like Loki.

It was snowing in Aurust Castle before Loki ever ate the fruit, and he called Niflheim (ice) Ragnir's power. Loki also called down lightning when he still had a Seastone cuff on his leg, so it can't be from his devil fruit.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

That's a power of Eastern Dragons, not Western ones like Loki.

It was snowing in Aurust Castle before Loki ever ate the fruit, and he called Niflheim (ice) Ragnir's power. Loki also called down lightning when he still had a Seastone cuff on his leg, so it can't be from his devil fruit.

hmm then you might be right, ragnir just might be him then

 

[Kachon123]

ragnir just might be him then

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

What I believe happen is that he ran to Harald in his full Zoan form (since he seemed to be on all fours), then he swtiched to Hybrid to fight him.

That doesn't necessarily have to mean full zoan tho

 

[Damage3245]

Sure, but it's hard to tell for certain in the flashback panels. Hopefully the anime will make it clearer.

 

[Hasty12345]

Ragnir is stronger than Rocks so having comparable feats to Kaido casually makes sense.

 

[Legion350]

That's a power of Eastern Dragons, not Western ones like Loki.

It was snowing in Aurust Castle before Loki ever ate the fruit, and he called Niflheim (ice) Ragnir's power. Loki also called down lightning when he still had a Seastone cuff on his leg, so it can't be from his devil fruit.

Still waiting on the final fruit reveal, but assuming it is Nidhogg, then it’s not impossible Loki caused the lightning. Looking into the kanji used for the sleep generated Nidhogg I found this [雷竜] meaning thunder dragon. It’s not definite, but Oda has also deviated from general stereotypes of Western vs Eastern dragons before. Kaido has used several fire attacks even though this is uncommon in Eastern Dragons.

Also plenty of Western Dragons are associated with thunderstorms. I think the biggest difference is usually a moral thing because Eastern Dragons are usually godlike/wise, while Western Dragons are ambivalent or malicious.