Akatsukiverse (Mainly Konosuba) CRT: Some revisions

[TheShape03]

(Minor) Mid-Tier Update:

Mid-Tiers (Demon King Generals, Buffed Kazuma, Darkness, Wiz, etc.) currently scale at 8-C+, since Darkness scales above Combat Agent Six. The profile doesn't explain why, but in the thread where it was proposed to scale Darkness above Six, it is mentioned that it is because she survived being hit by Combat Agent Twenty-Two, who is comparable to Combat Agent Six.

While I agree that Darkness should scale above Six, I think she (and therefore all other mid-tiers) should be upgraded to High 8-C. Darkness not only survived Agent 22's hits, she tanked them, and they didn't even hurt her. She was even disappointed that she didn't feel any pain. The guy even hurt his hands hitting her. So, considering that Darkness should be far superior to him, and given that the 8-C+ feat is 1.76 Tons of TNT, Darkness should scale to at least 2 Tons of TNT (High 8-C Baseline), the difference is x1.13, so it seems reasonable to me.

Kazuma returns to 10-A:

"managed to knock out a Giant Toad on one of his first adventures"

The Giant Toads in the anime are much larger than in the novel, so this calculation can't be applied to the novel, but leaving aside the fact that the anime isn't currently accepted as canon: Kazuma admits that he only managed to kill it because the Giant Toad was busy swallowing Aqua and didn't fight back. Not to mention how inconsistent this is, Giant Toads easily overpower Aqua, an adventurer with high stats. Darkness also states that Giant Toads are strong, but are easy to stab and do not defend themselves against anyone wearing armor, which explains why Kazuma can kill them.

Could Kazuma go back to 9-C? Nah.

"He was also capable of effortlessly dragging 200 kilograms of weight"

This is a bad translation; the official translation says Kazuma held the three men, not dragged them. Only one attempted (unsuccessfully) to escape. This would also lower his LS to "Above Average Human," since he at least surpasses normal humans and is still of a considerable level.

"survive crashing out the second floor of a mansion with no injuries"

Actually, he was injured by the fall, and he had also been buffed by Aqua, which is why he had managed to surpass Darkness in strength minutes earlier.

As a result of this, all characters that scale from Kazuma will also be downgraded.

More about Giant Toads:

Obviously, everything related to Giant Toads will also be removed from Megumin's and Aqua's profiles. Both profiles use scans from the (non-canon) anime to argue that they're comparable to Giant Toads. Furthermore, their feats are invalid anyway.

"She often becomes a victim of Giant Toad attacks"

Giant Toads' attacks rely on immobilizing their prey with their mouths and slowly swallowing them; Aqua isn't taking hits from them or anything.

"Even after using up all her Mana, she managed to block out a Giant Toad's mouth with her staff"

This is simply because the staff got stuck in the Toad's mouth. Megumin wasn't even able to move at this point, as she had just cast her explosion magic and had no mana. Shortly after, Kazuma had to give her some mana so Megumin could stand up.

Magical Light and Magical Lightning:

Several spells are based on light, which is referred to as "magical light." There is also a type of magic called "Lightning Magic" that is used to shoot lightning (duh). In this thread I won't try to update the speed of characters that react to these attacks, since for that I'll have to do some calculations. For now, the goal is to have light and lightning of magical nature accepted as comparable to their natural counterparts and to update characters' Attack Speed.

Now, as for the evidence...

Magic Lightning:

Current Standards.

- "Cloud-to-ground lightning is considered to be real lightning, as long as there is nothing suggesting otherwise": Magical lightning bolts can be summoned from the clouds if the character so desires.

- "Flowing through conducting materials": It is mentioned that lightning magic flows through metal. Additionally, the electricity from one of these spells flows through water and electrocutes many people in the Dust spin-off.

- "Making muscles of affected beings contract": I guess this counts.

- "Being shown to actually move with a speed similar to lightning": I'm not sure if this counts, but on one occasion, a magical lightning bolt quickly reaches the sky after being fired.

Magical Light:

Current Standards.

- "The beam behaves in a reasonably realistic way, such as reflecting off non-magical mirrors or refracting and diffusing through liquids and materials": It does.

- "The beam is stated to be composed/consisting of photons or light itself, again by reliable sources": It is not stated to be composed of photons, but it is possible to demonstrate this. Magical light is capable of temporarily blinding people; this occurs because exposure to bright light causes a shock to the photoreceptors, so this should prove that magical light is composed of photons.

Lightning Magic Spells:

- Lightning (Users: Yunyun and Kazuma)

- Lightning Strike (Users: Yunyun and Wiz)

- Cursed Lightning (Users: Yunyun and Wiz)

All of these characters should receive "Massively Hypersonic+ Attack Speed with (Name of the spell they use)".

Light-based Spells:

- Light of Saber (Users: Wiz and Yunyun)

- Crimson Laser (Users: Duke)

- Explosion (Users: Megumin, Wiz, Wolbach, and Kazuma)

- Turn Undead (Users: Aqua)

- Sacred Exorcism (Users: Aqua)

- Vanir Death Ray (Users: Vanir)

- Sacred Lightning Flare (Users: Iris)

- Sacred Explode (Users: Iris)

- Flash (Users: Kazuma)

And I think that's all of them... All of those characters should receive "Speed of Light Attack Speed with (Name of the spell they use)".

Absolutely necessary revision... okay, I'm just being a perfectionist: Some profiles have names that need to be changed.

- Host's name is misspelled.

- Chris is Eris's alter ego, so the profile should probably be called "Eris" instead of Chris.

- Kazuma and Iris's first names should come before their last names.

9-B and Class M:

I almost forgot about this.

This calculation was accepted, and Aqua can damage Mitsurugi, so she should scale to Wall level and Class M (the latter because the "strength" statistic within the verse encompasses both striking and lifting strength, meaning that a character comparable to another in one of the two aspects will also be comparable in the other, and a character superior to another in one of the two aspects will also be superior in the other).

Darkness should scale to "at least Class M." She can overpower Aqua, and considering her tier, she should be far superior to Mitsurugi and Aqua. Any character with a higher Tier than Aqua should also upscale above Mitsurugi's feat.

And well, that's all for now.

 

[TheShape03]

Bump.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

W you for keeping this verse alive, Kazuma being downgraded to 10-A breaks my heart tho.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

i feel Kazuma should have some good feats that could make him comparable to 9-C, is the Ninin Feat good enough even though he got his ass beat?

 

[TheShape03]

i feel Kazuma should have some good feats that could make him comparable to 9-C, is the Ninin Feat good enough even though he got his ass beat?

Iirc the Ninnin broke Kazuma's bones with his punches, even if we can calculate the KE of the Ninnin's punches, I doubt Kazuma can scale.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[TheShape03]

Bump.

 

[AnosORL]

(Minor) Mid-Tier Update:

Mid-Tiers (Demon King Generals, Buffed Kazuma, Darkness, Wiz, etc.) currently scale at 8-C+, since Darkness scales above Combat Agent Six. The profile doesn't explain why, but in the thread where it was proposed to scale Darkness above Six, it is mentioned that it is because she survived being hit by Combat Agent Twenty-Two, who is comparable to Combat Agent Six.

While I agree that Darkness should scale above Six, I think she (and therefore all other mid-tiers) should be upgraded to High 8-C. Darkness not only survived Agent 22's hits, she tanked them, and they didn't even hurt her. She was even disappointed that she didn't feel any pain. The guy even hurt his hands hitting her. So, considering that Darkness should be far superior to him, and given that the 8-C+ feat is 1.76 Tons of TNT, Darkness should scale to at least 2 Tons of TNT (High 8-C Baseline), the difference is x1.13, so it seems reasonable to me.

Kazuma returns to 10-A:


The Giant Toads in the anime are much larger than in the novel, so this calculation can't be applied to the novel, but leaving aside the fact that the anime isn't currently accepted as canon: Kazuma admits that he only managed to kill it because the Giant Toad was busy swallowing Aqua and didn't fight back. Not to mention how inconsistent this is, Giant Toads easily overpower Aqua, an adventurer with high stats. Darkness also states that Giant Toads are strong, but are easy to stab and do not defend themselves against anyone wearing armor, which explains why Kazuma can kill them.

Could Kazuma go back to 9-C? Nah.


This is a bad translation; the official translation says Kazuma held the three men, not dragged them. Only one attempted (unsuccessfully) to escape. This would also lower his LS to "Above Average Human," since he at least surpasses normal humans and is still of a considerable level.


Actually, he was injured by the fall, and he had also been buffed by Aqua, which is why he had managed to surpass Darkness in strength minutes earlier.

As a result of this, all characters that scale from Kazuma will also be downgraded.

More about Giant Toads:

Obviously, everything related to Giant Toads will also be removed from Megumin's and Aqua's profiles. Both profiles use scans from the (non-canon) anime to argue that they're comparable to Giant Toads. Furthermore, their feats are invalid anyway.


Giant Toads' attacks rely on immobilizing their prey with their mouths and slowly swallowing them; Aqua isn't taking hits from them or anything.


This is simply because the staff got stuck in the Toad's mouth. Megumin wasn't even able to move at this point, as she had just cast her explosion magic and had no mana. Shortly after, Kazuma had to give her some mana so Megumin could stand up.

Magical Light and Magical Lightning:

Several spells are based on light, which is referred to as "magical light." There is also a type of magic called "Lightning Magic" that is used to shoot lightning (duh). In this thread I won't try to update the speed of characters that react to these attacks, since for that I'll have to do some calculations. For now, the goal is to have light and lightning of magical nature accepted as comparable to their natural counterparts and to update characters' Attack Speed.

Now, as for the evidence...

Magic Lightning:

Current Standards.

- "Cloud-to-ground lightning is considered to be real lightning, as long as there is nothing suggesting otherwise": Magical lightning bolts can be summoned from the clouds if the character so desires.

- "Flowing through conducting materials": It is mentioned that lightning magic flows through metal. Additionally, the electricity from one of these spells flows through water and electrocutes many people in the Dust spin-off.

- "Making muscles of affected beings contract": I guess this counts.

- "Being shown to actually move with a speed similar to lightning": I'm not sure if this counts, but on one occasion, a magical lightning bolt quickly reaches the sky after being fired.

Magical Light:

Current Standards.

- "The beam behaves in a reasonably realistic way, such as reflecting off non-magical mirrors or refracting and diffusing through liquids and materials": It does.

- "The beam is stated to be composed/consisting of photons or light itself, again by reliable sources": It is not stated to be composed of photons, but it is possible to demonstrate this. Magical light is capable of temporarily blinding people; this occurs because exposure to bright light causes a shock to the photoreceptors, so this should prove that magical light is composed of photons.

Lightning Magic Spells:

- Lightning (Users: Yunyun and Kazuma)

- Lightning Strike (Users: Yunyun and Wiz)

- Cursed Lightning (Users: Yunyun and Wiz)

All of these characters should receive "Massively Hypersonic+ Attack Speed with (Name of the spell they use)".

Light-based Spells:

- Light of Saber (Users: Wiz and Yunyun)

- Crimson Laser (Users: Duke)

- Explosion (Users: Megumin, Wiz, Wolbach, and Kazuma)

- Turn Undead (Users: Aqua)

- Sacred Exorcism (Users: Aqua)

- Vanir Death Ray (Users: Vanir)

- Sacred Lightning Flare (Users: Iris)

- Sacred Explode (Users: Iris)

- Flash (Users: Kazuma)

And I think that's all of them... All of those characters should receive "Speed of Light Attack Speed with (Name of the spell they use)".

Absolutely necessary revision... okay, I'm just being a perfectionist: Some profiles have names that need to be changed.

- Host's name is misspelled.

- Chris is Eris's alter ego, so the profile should probably be called "Eris" instead of Chris.

- Kazuma and Iris's first names should come before their last names.

9-B and Class M:

I almost forgot about this.

This calculation was accepted, and Aqua can damage Mitsurugi, so she should scale to Wall level and Class M (the latter because the "strength" statistic within the verse encompasses both striking and lifting strength, meaning that a character comparable to another in one of the two aspects will also be comparable in the other, and a character superior to another in one of the two aspects will also be superior in the other).

Darkness should scale to "at least Class M." She can overpower Aqua, and considering her tier, she should be far superior to Mitsurugi and Aqua. Any character with a higher Tier than Aqua should also upscale above Mitsurugi's feat.

And well, that's all for now.

Bump

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Iirc the Ninnin broke Kazuma's bones with his punches, even if we can calculate the KE of the Ninnin's punches, I doubt Kazuma can scale.

I see, regardless of whether he survived, I can’t deny that then lol. At least we got a good reaction time feat out of it.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

This is a bad translation; the official translation says Kazuma held the three men, not dragged them. Only one attempted (unsuccessfully) to escape. This would also lower his LS to "Above Average Human," since he at least surpasses normal humans and is still of a considerable level.

“Drag” is a strong word Since it applies more effort than whatever was used but I mean you have to visualise the scene, the official says they tried to “run” which is even stronger if anything, because the fact of the matter is that the guys were moving and Kazuma wasn’t. You know how hard it is to stop something in motion?

Even one of them attempting is good, since assuming same size and weight (never mind that these guys were older than Kazuma too) then you have to be marginally stronger than someone that they’d be unable to let loose form you, cuz remember Kazuma ain’t using ANY martial arts or nun, he’s just grabbing them.

I’m not gonna say make him superhuman, but I don’t think Athlete level lifting strength is too crazy.

Edit: also I hate to be nitpicky, but official doesn’t equal accurate. Not saying CG is perfect, but IIRC Yenpress doesn’t differentiate between Demons and Devils and just treats them as the same species, so are we just gonna give any Demon in the franchise extra lives for doing bad deeds?

 

[TheShape03]

“Drag” is a strong word Since it applies more effort than whatever was used but I mean you have to visualise the scene, the official says they tried to “run” which is even stronger if anything, because the fact of the matter is that the guys were moving and Kazuma wasn’t. You know how hard it is to stop something in motion?

Even one of them attempting is good, since assuming same size and weight (never mind that these guys were older than Kazuma too) then you have to be marginally stronger than someone that they’d be unable to let loose form you, cuz remember Kazuma ain’t using ANY martial arts or nun, he’s just grabbing them.

I’m not gonna say make him superhuman, but I don’t think Athlete level lifting strength is too crazy.

"They tried to run," but they didn't because Kazuma grabbed them first.

The only truly notable thing about the feat is that one of them tries to push Kazuma's hand away to escape, but can't. After which, Kazuma mentions that he surpasses them in strength due to his "considerable level." The "Above Average Human" level perfectly describes someone stronger than the average human; "Athletic Human" is unjustified.

Edit: also I hate to be nitpicky, but official doesn’t equal accurate. Not saying CG is perfect, but IIRC Yenpress doesn’t differentiate between Demons and Devils and just treats them as the same species, so are we just gonna give any Demon in the franchise extra lives for doing bad deeds?

However, official translations have priority.

The kanji used in the original version, "悪魔" (Akuma), means both "demon" and "devil." Even succubi have extra lives, according to the Vanir spin-off.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

"They tried to run," but they didn't because Kazuma grabbed them first.

They still had to be me in some form of motion is my point, but fine we don’t know how fast they were actually moving so it’s not like that distinction matters much.

However, official translations have priority.

The kanji used in the original version, "悪魔" (Akuma), means both "demon" and "devil." Even succubi have extra lives, according to the Vanir spin-off.

I don’t understand what this means? Obviously Succubi have extra lives because they’re devils. ALL devils in the franchise have resurrection via extra lives and the ability to make contracts, that’s a part of devil physiology.

Demons are a different species all together. They’re just unholy monsters that aren’t immortal and are completely native to the Konosuba world meanwhile Devils are magical beings from Hell who feed on negative emotions.

The Kanji can mean both those things, yes. However just reading the series you can tell there’s a big difference in how their applied.

Devils can’t age, yet the demon king was old as hell. And let me not even get started on the Demon King being the strongest monster, and how if he’s made a Devil, the implications that has for basically everything.

My point I’m trying to make, is that “official” doesn’t mean accurate, if the official translation can’t even differentiate between two core concepts, then I don’t see why I should trust it for changing “I vigorously pulled them back” to “I grabbed them before I could ran” as it’s perfectly acceptable that the first translation was more accurate (let’s be real Japanese seems like a dramatic language lmao) and the official one just simplified it so it would flow better for english speaking countries, which there’s no issue with that.

But if it takes priority, then we should go ahead and give the demon king, resurrection via extra lives (but he didn’t use them after Kazuma killed him because….?), immortality, self-sustenance, incorporeality, etc.

The same for his daughter, and any other demon in the franchise.

Since we might as well be consistent.

 

[TheShape03]

I don’t understand what this means? Obviously Succubi have extra lives because they’re devils. ALL devils in the franchise have resurrection via extra lives and the ability to make contracts, that’s a part of devil physiology.

Forget that, it was my mistake.

To answer the rest: I disagree. While I can accept that not making a distinction between 悪魔 and 魔 is a real problem, I still don't think it's enough to assume the rest of the translation is inaccurate. You would have to prove that the official translation is not accurate in this specific case, otherwise, fan translations will not take priority over an official, licensed translation.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Forget that, it was my mistake.

To answer the rest: I disagree. While I can accept that not making a distinction between 悪魔 and 魔 is a real problem, I still don't think it's enough to assume the rest of the translation is inaccurate. You would have to prove that the official translation is not accurate in this specific case, otherwise, fan translations will not take priority over an official, licensed translation.

Fairs then, I guess we’ll just pick and choose. I haven’t got any raws so there’s nothing else I can say.

let’s do it to it.

 

[TheShape03]

I haven’t got any raws

Here is the original version.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Here is the original version.

Bruh Imgur is down for me. But I managed to find the Raws for all the novels 1-17.

Idk what the stance of Ai is here (sorry if people don’t like it). But ChatGPT stated if comparing the Yuns translation (the fan one) compared to the offical translation that Yuns cpatured the original nuance more.

so idk since not like Ai is perfect or whatever. However so it’s more likely to let him be above average human, since even if there was vigour, there’s no “pull” being done. What a waste brah.

 

[TheShape03]

Bump.

 

[TheShape03]

Bump.

 

[AyOgUyS]

agree with all

 

[TheShape03]

Bump

 

[LoudestProcedure]

Everything looks good agree

 

[TheShape03]

Bump

 

[FrenzyUND]

Light stuff aside, I'm confident that the author sees lightning magic as behaving the same as real lightning, and being as fast as the real deal, reason why he makes note of the DK saying that normally no one is fast enough to react to lightning magic, and Kazuma had to use a skill to dodge it. We also know that the natural elements, like wind, exist due to Spirits "shooting" them. We have an entire big short-story about this, showing how the natural occurence of hurricanes were the work of the Wind Spirit, which natural wind blast could even be nullified by Aqua's break spell. Meaning the same would apply to lightning coming from the Storm Spirit. So the natural lightning we see everyday is canonically the same as lightning magic in Konosuba.

Kazuma manages to dodge lightning magic with the Auto-Dodge skill, and Dust replicates this feat naturally, though very barely. He is, however, noticed to be so extremely talented that he even overshadows a Royal with stats way above that of the Crimson Demons, when their guild cards are compared.

Regardless, by VsBattle definitions, with the examples given, it's undeniable that both light and lightning magic matches the requirements to be acknowledged as equal to the real deal.

 

[TheShape03]

Bump.

 

[FrenzyUND]

Bump.

A bit off-topic, but couldn't you, if it's not a burden, edit the previous, already accepted upgrades into the profiles? The 6-B and other related stuff.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Someone give blessings to the dead verse

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Someone give blessings to the dead verse

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Iirc the Ninnin broke Kazuma's bones with his punches, even if we can calculate the KE of the Ninnin's punches, I doubt Kazuma can scale.

Actually, yk what, why wouldn’t Kazuma scale? He’s the weakest character (ignoring children like Komekko, tho she can summon Devils so who knows), the Ninin itself was made to kill cheat bearing Japanese otherworlders, it was fighting Kazuma with the intent to kill, I’m not saying a 1:1 upscale but I don’t really think it’s a feat that can be ignored.

Just the principle of being hit by metal at minimum 76mph and coming out with only a broken rib, has to be street level, never mind it wasn’t just hit one hit but multiple

 

[AyOgUyS]

Atp we should contact staff methinks

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Atp we should contact staff methinks

Did anyone even agree to anything?

 

[AyOgUyS]

Did anyone even agree to anything?

its been a month lol and basically nothing's happened

 

[MidnightDawn1]

its been a month lol and basically nothing's happened

It’s a (dead) dying verse so it’ll take time, but there’s no point tagging staff either, since I think they’ll be annoyed being brought into a thread where no one agreed with anything

 

[AyOgUyS]

It’s a (dead) dying verse so it’ll take time, but there’s no point tagging staff either, since I think they’ll be annoyed being brought into a thread where no one agreed with anything

:/

fair nuff I suppose

 

[Bruh]

Actually, yk what, why wouldn’t Kazuma scale? He’s the weakest character (ignoring children like Komekko, tho she can summon Devils so who knows), the Ninin itself was made to kill cheat bearing Japanese otherworlders, it was fighting Kazuma with the intent to kill, I’m not saying a 1:1 upscale but I don’t really think it’s a feat that can be ignored.

Just the principle of being hit by metal at minimum 76mph and coming out with only a broken rib, has to be street level, never mind it wasn’t just hit one hit but multiple

Agree, also iirc Kazuma stated that Elementary magic (which is currently Wall+) is too weak to hurt anyone so shouldnt Kazuma and most of the verse scale of that ?

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Agree, also iirc Kazuma stated that Elementary magic (which is currently Wall+) is too weak to hurt anyone so shouldnt Kazuma and most of the verse scale of that ?

Wall level mana output, beginner magic is weak combat wise because nothing can be used offensively, well if you’re normal person that is, but we know Kazuma’s a sneaky lad so he uses it non conventionally

 

[Bruh]

Wall level mana output, beginner magic is weak combat wise because nothing can be used offensively, well if you’re normal person that is, but we know Kazuma’s a sneaky lad so he uses it non conventionally

Question: if Lightning Magic is considered to be real lightning and KNSB has a Non physical Energy system (i think?). Does that mean Intermediate Magic spells scales to the energy of real lightning or at least the bare minimum of electricity to reach that speed ?

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Question: if Lightning Magic is considered to be real lightning and KNSB has a Non physical Energy system (i think?). Does that mean Intermediate Magic spells scales to the energy of real lightning or at least the bare minimum of electricity to reach that speed ?

Very good question, I have wondered that but I honestly haven’t got an answer, it feels like it should be the case but Kazuma can cast fireball but his mana/magic power is so weak that it does nothing, so since the spells strength is largely determined by the magic level of the user, maybe not?

But I am sure there’s a baseline, like Kazuma can only cast explosion using mana from Manatite, so eh.

 

[Bruh]

Very good question, I have wondered that but I honestly haven’t got an answer, it feels like it should be the case but Kazuma can cast fireball but his mana/magic power is so weak that it does nothing, so since the spells strength is largely determined by the magic level of the user, maybe not?

But I am sure there’s a baseline, like Kazuma can only cast explosion using mana from Manatite, so eh.

If irc, the only ones Kazuma used Fireball/other spells on are high level orcs and stuff endgame opponent that could pressure even Darkness, never those on his lv so saying that is "weak" could be little misleading so i still think its worth looking into.
Sidenote, Kazuma should have Large Building Dura with Create earth when using Manatite as it was able to block an Advanced Magic spell from the Demon King, and someone should really calc the specific class M value that most of the verse scale to

 

[TheShape03]

I think it's best if we discuss all of that in the general discussion thread and plan another CRT; I don't want to add anything else to this one.

Actually, yk what, why wouldn’t Kazuma scale? He’s the weakest character (ignoring children like Komekko, tho she can summon Devils so who knows), the Ninin itself was made to kill cheat bearing Japanese otherworlders, it was fighting Kazuma with the intent to kill, I’m not saying a 1:1 upscale but I don’t really think it’s a feat that can be ignored.

Just the principle of being hit by metal at minimum 76mph and coming out with only a broken rib, has to be street level, never mind it wasn’t just hit one hit but multiple

I agree that Kazuma could return to 9-B (I'm pretty sure that feat will end up being 9-B because Ninnin's limbs are made of metal), but that feat needs to be calculated and added in a separate CRT.

I'll try to contact some staff members; hopefully, this CRT will finally be accepted.

and someone should really calc the specific class M value that most of the verse scale to

This calculation was accepted, and Aqua can damage Mitsurugi, so she should scale to Wall level and Class M (the latter because the "strength" statistic within the verse encompasses both striking and lifting strength, meaning that a character comparable to another in one of the two aspects will also be comparable in the other, and a character superior to another in one of the two aspects will also be superior in the other).

Darkness should scale to "at least Class M." She can overpower Aqua, and considering her tier, she should be far superior to Mitsurugi and Aqua. Any character with a higher Tier than Aqua should also upscale above Mitsurugi's feat.

 

[Bruh]

I think it's best if we discuss all of that in the general discussion thread and plan another CRT; I don't want to add anything else to this one.


I agree that Kazuma could return to 9-B (I'm pretty sure that feat will end up being 9-B because Ninnin's limbs are made of metal), but that feat needs to be calculated and added in a separate CRT.

I'll try to contact some staff members; hopefully, this CRT will finally be accepted.

I meant the Class M of lifting the Kowloon Hydra