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Go to their message walls and request them to help with the calculations, you'll find them through either the members list or finding who's online in the home page from time to time
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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StarShooter80
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Dude
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Btw, I just realized, one of my old CRTs was never properly implemented.... (since it was reverted, so could someone here implement it?)
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Hello, I have been wanting to make a DB thread for a long time, but have dreaded how long it would be, but either way here we are. I will propose some upgrades and some downgrades. I decided to divide them up to minimize the clogging of the thread. The first one is the Senzue bean. The current...
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Is there something wrong?
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Post the draft here, I'm planning to make Namek's GBE solar system lvl with its explosion in manga(even with 0.9C it has 2.1 killofoe, it'll probably be higher in the end), so it would be helpful to co-operate
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Btw, do you know if infinite amount of infinite spaces(not space-times) mean 2-A or what?
Mbpoops
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No. They have to destroy an infinite number of spacetimes to be 2-A. The fact you specified not spacetimes is a disqualifier
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High 3-A?
Mbpoops
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Depends how big the space is
Mbpoops
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High 3-A could work but idk the context
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Here's what I have so far
1. Goku’s Universal Spirit Bomb
The Spirit Bomb used against Kid Buu is explicitly described as a sphere formed from the energy of the entire universe. This implies, at the very least, the sum of the energy of all existing celestial bodies.
The total estimated energy of all stars in the observable universe is approximately 5.0058 × 10⁵⁷ joules, which corresponds to a multi–solar system level.
Goku not only manages to contain, push, and direct this amount of energy, but also withstand its recoil, which indicates that his own energy capacity is comparable or even greater.
2. Elder Kai’s Statement: Buutenks and the Destruction of the Universe
The Elder Kai states that Super Buu with Gotenks absorbed will destroy the entire universe, including the Realm of the Kais.
He also mentions that he has only 1,000 years of life remaining, implying that Buutenks could accomplish this destruction within that time span.
Modeling the destruction of the observable universe over a period of 1,000 years results in a total energy of approximately 8.95688 × 10⁸¹ joules, which corresponds to a multi-galactic level.
3. Dimensional Creation by Marba (Dragon Ball Daima)
Marba creates a pocket dimension that contains a fully star-filled sky, implying the direct creation of multiple stars and planetary systems.
This feat is classified as multi–solar system level.
4. Direct Universal Threat: Kid Buu
During the fight against Kid Buu, it is repeatedly stated that if the heroes fail, the entire universe will be destroyed, and that this battle determines the fate of the whole cosmos.
This establishes Kid Buu as a universal-level threat.
(Now, this is all speculation based on leaks and the trailer, so don't take this point too seriously.
5. Scaling with Dragon Ball Super (Remake)
In Dragon Ball Super: Beerus, the new DBS remake series, when Goku transforms into SSJ3 in front of Beerus, his power makes the entire Other World tremble.
Calculations of this feat give an approximate value of 7.4110983 × 10⁷⁷ joules, which corresponds to a multi-galactic level.
Now, at the beginning of Dragon Ball Super, Goku considers it possible to fight Kid Buu using only SSJ1, something he could only do using SSJ3 during the Majin Buu saga.
This indicates that Goku’s SSJ1 in Super is comparable to Goku’s SSJ3 in the Buu saga.
Since SSJ3 multiplies SSJ1 by 8, it follows that Goku SSJ3 in the Majin Buu saga equals 1/8 of Goku SSJ3 at the beginning of Super.
Final Value of Goku SSJ3 – Majin Buu Saga
If Goku SSJ3 at the beginning of Dragon Ball Super reaches approximately 7.4110983 × 10⁷⁷ joules, then Goku SSJ3 in the Majin Buu saga would have a value close to 9.26 × 10⁷⁶ joules.
Conclusion:
Goku SSJ3 in the Majin Buu saga reaches a multi-galactic energy level, confirming that the characters of this saga far exceed the solar system level and reach galactic, multi-galactic, and even universal scales.
1. Goku’s Universal Spirit Bomb
The Spirit Bomb used against Kid Buu is explicitly described as a sphere formed from the energy of the entire universe. This implies, at the very least, the sum of the energy of all existing celestial bodies.
The total estimated energy of all stars in the observable universe is approximately 5.0058 × 10⁵⁷ joules, which corresponds to a multi–solar system level.
Goku not only manages to contain, push, and direct this amount of energy, but also withstand its recoil, which indicates that his own energy capacity is comparable or even greater.
2. Elder Kai’s Statement: Buutenks and the Destruction of the Universe
The Elder Kai states that Super Buu with Gotenks absorbed will destroy the entire universe, including the Realm of the Kais.
He also mentions that he has only 1,000 years of life remaining, implying that Buutenks could accomplish this destruction within that time span.
Modeling the destruction of the observable universe over a period of 1,000 years results in a total energy of approximately 8.95688 × 10⁸¹ joules, which corresponds to a multi-galactic level.
3. Dimensional Creation by Marba (Dragon Ball Daima)
Marba creates a pocket dimension that contains a fully star-filled sky, implying the direct creation of multiple stars and planetary systems.
This feat is classified as multi–solar system level.
4. Direct Universal Threat: Kid Buu
During the fight against Kid Buu, it is repeatedly stated that if the heroes fail, the entire universe will be destroyed, and that this battle determines the fate of the whole cosmos.
This establishes Kid Buu as a universal-level threat.
(Now, this is all speculation based on leaks and the trailer, so don't take this point too seriously.
5. Scaling with Dragon Ball Super (Remake)
In Dragon Ball Super: Beerus, the new DBS remake series, when Goku transforms into SSJ3 in front of Beerus, his power makes the entire Other World tremble.
Calculations of this feat give an approximate value of 7.4110983 × 10⁷⁷ joules, which corresponds to a multi-galactic level.
Now, at the beginning of Dragon Ball Super, Goku considers it possible to fight Kid Buu using only SSJ1, something he could only do using SSJ3 during the Majin Buu saga.
This indicates that Goku’s SSJ1 in Super is comparable to Goku’s SSJ3 in the Buu saga.
Since SSJ3 multiplies SSJ1 by 8, it follows that Goku SSJ3 in the Majin Buu saga equals 1/8 of Goku SSJ3 at the beginning of Super.
Final Value of Goku SSJ3 – Majin Buu Saga
If Goku SSJ3 at the beginning of Dragon Ball Super reaches approximately 7.4110983 × 10⁷⁷ joules, then Goku SSJ3 in the Majin Buu saga would have a value close to 9.26 × 10⁷⁶ joules.
Conclusion:
Goku SSJ3 in the Majin Buu saga reaches a multi-galactic energy level, confirming that the characters of this saga far exceed the solar system level and reach galactic, multi-galactic, and even universal scales.
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Destroying infinite spaces is just High 3-A even if there's an infinite amount of them
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Check it out
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Definitely not. If Goku took all of the energy of those celestial bodies, then they'd die out. We see what happens with Moro when he takes too much energy from a world.
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Pretty sure someone already tried this and failed.
Also, this doesn't work.
Goku didn't absorb all the energy of celestial bodies, otherwise the universe would've ended up dead after the Genkidama.
So, this point is entirely invalid. It's unknown what percentage of energy the Genkidama borrows, so you can't get an actual AP from it.
Why would destroying the universe imply Buu would do so in the Elder Kai's lifespan?
And, didn't Elder Kai remain in the Realm of Kais even after he bestowed his lifespan to Goku and literally died (as we see he had an Angel halo on his head)?
Him dying is not only irrelevant to the destruction of the macrocosm, but also doesn't seem to transport him to the Afterlife for whatever reason so, even if you wanna argue that he'd be there to witness Buu killing him, he could be dead and still witness it.
This point seems fine, I guess.
Pretty sure this got has been rejected since forever. You'd need more proof for staff opinion to change
And this is meaningless because DBS Remake has not been released yet. If you want to use this feat you should wait until the episode where Goku shakes the afterlife appears in the big screen, not just on a trailer
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Okay, I still have an argument for saying it's around 1%. The sun has: 569.3 Quettaton, genkidama is stronger than Oozaru Vegeta, who it's 2.9 quettaton(in My scale)
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Also i have another calc with it's 10^62
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Do you think i could use 10 minutes? I mean, Buutenks would only last a few minutes since he's made up of Gotenks SSJ3.
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Bro, I calced Super Genkidama almost a month ago...
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Shouldn't Buutenks's speed be immesurable since Kaioshin said he'd eventually come in Kaioshin realm which is a separeted time-space(he neede to travel from one time-space to another)
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Immeasurable requirement is to travel any distance in under zero time (basically running through time) so no
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Obviously not.
I just checked the dialogue, not only it doesn't imply imminent danger (specially to the Realm of Kais, given they mention Buu will eventually reach it, not within 10 minutes), but at that time Gohan, who is stronger than Gotenks and has no time limit, got defeated by Buutenks and could also be absorbed if Goku didn't intervene.
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Then why BoG in DBS manga was accepted? For destruction of macrocosmos we have only one character's opinion, that's all.
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Come on, get out of here! This transformation only lasts a few minutes, and it will take me an hour to return to this state!
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But shouldn't it be traveling though time too? Cuz he'd need to travel though one time to another?
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We don't just have "only one character's opinion", we have an actual, tangible feat: the shockwaves of a single punch between Goku and Beerus that could affect the Kai's realm from Earth
As well as an explanation from an old, knowledgeable character such as Elder Kai of the immediate danger that continuing the fight would cause.
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Super exciting guide: "The Super Spirit Bomb, formed by the energy of the entire universe!" Dbs manga: "However, thanks to Satan's call, Finally, the super
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"If the Spirit Bomb is created on Earth, considering the planet's size and the fact that energy can also be obtained from the sun, it's no wonder it has the
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A few more scans, I forgot to include them
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I wasn't referring to Goku, I meant the Spirit Bomb, The Spirit Bomb with all the energy of the universe was Insufficient to kill Kid Buu, but Goku SSJ3 could do it with a charged attack
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It could damage Vegeta, he has 540 Yottaton, which is 0.0001% of the sun(570 quettatons)
000.1 of calcs:
10^51
10^56
10^64
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Is Goku fighting copy Gohan Toei-exclusive, or does that happen in Kai too?
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I’m thinking of opening a thread about upgrading the Afterlife World to Low 1-C (5D), but I’ll first present the idea here, and if no one objects, I’ll go ahead and open a thread about it.
Subspace:
All the other dimensions consist of separate temporal spaces, and here we have ↓
It can be considered a temporal space of immense scale, and since this Afterlife World surpasses those dimensions that contain separate temporal spaces and is above the Living World itself, the Afterlife is regarded as a temporal space of vast magnitude. Therefore, the Afterlife World would be at least five-dimensional, as it transcends all these dimensions and is above everything else in the Great
Universe.
Subspace:
All the other dimensions consist of separate temporal spaces, and here we have ↓
It can be considered a temporal space of immense scale, and since this Afterlife World surpasses those dimensions that contain separate temporal spaces and is above the Living World itself, the Afterlife is regarded as a temporal space of vast magnitude. Therefore, the Afterlife World would be at least five-dimensional, as it transcends all these dimensions and is above everything else in the Great
Universe.
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5D afterlife CRT is already rejected here. Please do not make a thread about it.
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A definitely not so controversial Dragon ball toei upgrade
Well hello fellow wankers in this thread I am going to cover a very heavily debatable and controversial topic which is afterlife in dragon ball being higher dimensional so without further yapping lettuce begin. Afterlife Higher dimensional nature So firstly we have this infamous afterlife scan...
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Yes, because we all know it's outer.5D afterlife CRT is already rejected here. Please do not make a thread about it.
A definitely not so controversial Dragon ball toei upgrade
Well hello fellow wankers in this thread I am going to cover a very heavily debatable and controversial topic which is afterlife in dragon ball being higher dimensional so without further yapping lettuce begin. Afterlife Higher dimensional nature So firstly we have this infamous afterlife scan...
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Iirc
The only evidence for the afterlife being 5D is based on the word "Transcend" which can be used either literally or metaphorically
It was rejected because there is a lack of strong evidence and it being shaky in its foundation as noted by qawsedf in the thread linked above
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Pretty sure it’s exclusive. I believe Kai makes it more similar to the manga, in that right after Goku and Vegeta crush the earrings and start searching, they find the others, (whereas Toei slipped in like, 4 episodes of filler).
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It arrived late. I did this over a year ago with more evidence, but nothing was accepted. Wait for the remake to come out, and we'll update the Buu saga.
Buu Saga Definitive Review
Based on the canon evidence within the Dragon Ball series, there is substantial support for the claim that Majin Buu has the power to destroy the entire universe. First, Goku explicitly mentions that Kid Buu could obliterate the universe completely. This is a direct statement from one of the...
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