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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Infinite9Luck said:
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卍解斬魄刀解放の第二段階であり、第一段階である始解と比べると、その戦闘力は一般的に五倍から十倍に跳ね上がる。
It is the second stage of a Zanpakutō’s release, and compared to the first stage, Shikai, its combat power generally jumps up by five to ten times.

It's not "just" a Yoruichi statements, it's confirmed to be a fact, she is reliable.
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He thinks the power amps are "inconsistent" cuz he has a preconcieved notion as to what a 5x-10x amp is
 
DragonZeroNova said:
They also fight again after.
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And Ichigo puts him on the ground pretty quickly. Besides, Ichigo both times fought Uryu while he used VS+Sklaverei, Renji got floored immediately when Uryu used VS+Sklaverei.

In fact Renji couldn’t hurt base Uryu with his second strongest attack and could barely scratch VS Uryu with an attack that he needed 20 seconds to charge. Meanwhile base uryu chose to dodge tf out of the way from a simple getusga Ichigo threw his way and even in their second fight when using VS+Sklaverei still chose to counter every getusga from Ichigo’s small blade with attacks instead of just outright tanking them like he did for any of Renji’s strongest attacks

Honestly I don’t see how Renji vs Uryu has any correlation with Ichigo scaling when Renji could barely get him to use his strongest form when in both Ichigo fights he opts for it pretty much from the get go. I’m also like 99% sure it was stated that in the first fight Ichigo was holding back while Uryu was going all out. Which would also help explain why in their second fight Ichigo puts him on the ground in like 40 seconds
 
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SilentBob34 said:
And Ichigo puts him on the ground pretty quickly. Besides, Ichigo both times fought Uryu while he used VS+Sklaverei, Renji got floored immediately when Uryu used VS+Sklaverei.

In fact Renji couldn’t hurt base Uryu with his second strongest attack and could barely scratch VS Uryu with an attack that he needed 20 seconds to charge. Meanwhile base uryu chose to dodge tf out of the way from a simple getusga Ichigo threw his way and even in their second fight when using VS+Sklaverei still chose to counter every getusga from Ichigo’s small blade with attacks instead of just outright tanking them like he did for any of Renji’s strongest attacks

Honestly I don’t see how Renji vs Uryu has any correlation with Ichigo scaling when Renji could barely get him to use his strongest form when in both Ichigo fights he opts for it pretty much from the get go. I’m also like 99% sure it was stated that in the first fight Ichigo was holding back while Uryu was going all out. Which would also help explain why in their second fight Ichigo puts him on the ground in like 40 seconds
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I mean, that's why Renji is accepted as much weaker. But there's a big difference between Renji being way weaker and Renji being proposed to be literal billions of times weaker.
 
So kubo just said an ocean exists in the soul society but it is far away
SilentBob34 said:
And Ichigo puts him on the ground pretty quickly. Besides, Ichigo both times fought Uryu while he used VS+Sklaverei, Renji got floored immediately when Uryu used VS+Sklaverei.
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It wasn't pretty quickly and ichigo needed to literally distract uryu to do that. Something he has never done for weaker opponents.
SilentBob34 said:
In fact Renji couldn’t hurt base Uryu with his second strongest attack and could barely scratch VS Uryu with an attack that he needed 20 seconds to charge. Meanwhile base uryu chose to dodge tf out of the way from a simple getusga Ichigo threw his way and even in their second fight when using VS+Sklaverei still chose to counter every getusga from Ichigo’s small blade with attacks instead of just outright tanking them like he did for any of Renji’s strongest attacks

Honestly I don’t see how Renji vs Uryu has any correlation with Ichigo scaling when Renji could barely get him to use his strongest form when in both Ichigo fights he opts for it pretty much from the get go. I’m also like 99% sure it was stated that in the first fight Ichigo was holding back while Uryu was going all out. Which would also help explain why in their second fight Ichigo puts him on the ground in like 40 seconds
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This is only means renji is weaker than uryu, which the anime shows. Also uryu, stated renji has the means to kill him. So he would still scale
 
AppleLord said:
Gotei 13 shouldn’t scale to Squad Zero or Elite Sternritters that fought Squad Zero.

In the anime, Yhwach takes back the power boost he gave them to cut down the Soul King. Keeping the scaling consistent and the reason the captains where able to fight the Elite Sternritters.
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Uryu is the only elite Sternritter currently scaling to unsealed squad Zero(and Renji is the only gotei 13 member mostly downscaling in his case though),he's also the only one actually scaling to sealed squad zero before the Auswahlen outside of Jugram's shield durability.
Gerard meanwhile,is the only elite even getting actual direct scaling to sealed Squad Zero after the Auswahlen in Vollständig.
 
What a time to be alive and log into VSBW to see Low 2-C Shibai along with Low 2-C Zeref, with a 3-A Yhwach to top it off

 
Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye said:
Them One Punch Man fans lost they mind in that thread lol
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I think their arguments werent even that bad…if it wasn’t for yhwach being that haxed out. He literally has an answer for everything Saitama has.

Time Travel? Nah, i saw that shii with The Almighty and will end you right now.

Power Mimicry? Nuh uh. The Almighty comes in clutch yet again.

Power Nullification? I say no!! Wont work and i‘d see that happen with good ol‘ reliable The Almighty anyway.

Not to mention that he‘d understand what Saitama‘s abilities would do due to his Information analysis.
 
SilentBob34 said:
And Ichigo puts him on the ground pretty quickly. Besides, Ichigo both times fought Uryu while he used VS+Sklaverei, Renji got floored immediately when Uryu used VS+Sklaverei.

In fact Renji couldn’t hurt base Uryu with his second strongest attack and could barely scratch VS Uryu with an attack that he needed 20 seconds to charge. Meanwhile base uryu chose to dodge tf out of the way from a simple getusga Ichigo threw his way and even in their second fight when using VS+Sklaverei still chose to counter every getusga from Ichigo’s small blade with attacks instead of just outright tanking them like he did for any of Renji’s strongest attacks

Honestly I don’t see how Renji vs Uryu has any correlation with Ichigo scaling when Renji could barely get him to use his strongest form when in both Ichigo fights he opts for it pretty much from the get go. I’m also like 99% sure it was stated that in the first fight Ichigo was holding back while Uryu was going all out. Which would also help explain why in their second fight Ichigo puts him on the ground in like 40 seconds
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I agree with all of this.
 
Hellscream said:
What a time to be alive and log into VSBW to see Low 2-C Shibai along with Low 2-C Zeref, with a 3-A Yhwach to top it off

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I'll take the bait.

Amado is a non-shinobi scientist with 0 knowledge about the Pure Land.
Shibai’s state is ambiguous. Interpreting it as the Pure Land is simpler and consistent with existing lore, while interpreting it as a wholly new form of transcendence requires additional assumptions not explicitly supported by the text. - Occam Razor
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People are just tripping.
Shibai when to Soul Society/Pure Land in Narutoverse.
People just wanking. 😎
 
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AppleLord said:
Gotei 13 shouldn’t scale to Squad Zero or Elite Sternritters that fought Squad Zero.

In the anime, Yhwach takes back the power boost he gave them to cut down the Soul King. Keeping the scaling consistent and the reason the captains where able to fight the Elite Sternritters.
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Tbh the power up they got shouldn't be that much of an amp since it's basically 100s of fodder qunicy and like 6 sternritters not to mention the Schutzstaffel were nerfed during their fight with squad 0 due to the cage taking most of their reishi. They are probably stronger against the captains since their reishi isn't constantly being taken.

That low key would give them some scaling to soul king since yhwach needed their power to stab him lol
 
ichimojii said:
Tbh the power up they got shouldn't be that much of an amp since it's basically 100s of fodder qunicy and like 6 sternritters not to mention the Schutzstaffel were nerfed during their fight with squad 0 due to the cage taking most of their reishi. They are probably stronger against the captains since their reishi isn't constantly being taken.

That low key would give them some scaling to soul king since yhwach needed their power to stab him lol
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He is just getting back the power he gave them.
 
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Bleach problems with some calcs

True Shikai Ichigo's casual Speed The calculation assumes that Candice's reaction speed is half of lightning speed despite no such statement existing for her reactions 1. Launching lightning attacks does not scale you to them in speed 2. Grimmjow's statement only applies to his running speed...
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Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye said:
Why do people always post downgrades and offer no solution or replacement?
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Bleach has the weakest fanbase here by far.
Naruto fans managed to get uni+ upgrade from just the word “genesis”, NnT got an upgrade from “infinite lake”, FT about to get an upgrade from “limitless”.
Bleach has an entire set of “infinite” statements and cosmic destruction amd even a confirmed 4 dimensional space from databook (similar to Dragonball) yet they always fail to get an upgrade.
 
Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye said:
Why do people always post downgrades and offer no solution or replacement?
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Because literally nobody cares about a biased ass site that has favoritism built in, and had staff trying their absolute hardest to keep bleach down low even when the verse had a ton of supporters, that all have lives now or are simply burnt out.

Now there's nobody willing to defend the current profiles, or keep them up to date or anything lol.
 
M11UTD said:
Bleach has the weakest fanbase here by far.
Naruto fans managed to get uni+ upgrade from just the word “genesis”, NnT got an upgrade from “infinite lake”, FT about to get an upgrade from “limitless”.
Bleach has an entire set of “infinite” statements and cosmic destruction amd even a confirmed 4 dimensional space from databook (similar to Dragonball) yet they always fail to get an upgrade.
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Hellscream said:
Because literally nobody cares about a biased ass site that has favoritism built in, and had staff trying their absolute hardest to keep bleach down low even when the verse had a ton of supporters, that all have lives now or are simply burnt out.

Now there's nobody willing to defend the current profiles, or keep them up to date or anything lol.
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Is a reform needed?
 
Now that Arc is gone to get the milk, there isn't really much defense here against downgrades. Plus, he lowkey is carrying the scaling on his back, especially involving speed and he's been telling everyone to leave the verse alone. Now the verse is left alone and nobody has the experience or knowledge left to hold his place, it's getting picked apart.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Now that Arc is gone to get the milk, there isn't really much defense here against downgrades. Plus, he lowkey is carrying the scaling on his back, especially involving speed and he's been telling everyone to leave the verse alone. Now the verse is left alone and nobody has the experience or knowledge left to hold his place, it's getting picked apart.
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Exactly as you said. I wish those of us chatting here had more experience.
 
Meanwhile, the other big 3 + Dragon Ball verses has their members that are still holding it down for them who have the experience to not only cover their butts but also throw out their grievances for Bleach. One Piece still has Kachon and whatnot, Naruto still has Godernet and UchihaSlayer, Dragon Ball has DDM, Hasty, LuffyRuffy. We don't have that kind of fire anymore, no Arc, no Deceived, no LordGinSama. Only one left here is Arcker.

Somebody gotta lock tf in before Cour 4 comes around.
 
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