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Jin Mori vs Kokushibo (7-2-0)

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I really don’t think the word "expand" or "expand Yeoui" is going to give him any idea on where Yeoui is hidden or enough time to dodge mid cqc combat.
Why not? He's gonna see that thing in slow motion anyway.

Keeping distance is effectively a suicide for Kokushibo. The extra range makes dodging the projectiles extremely easy, especially if he decides to just block with Yeoui or an omnidirectional shockwave. And if Mori decides to start long ranging then he HEAVILY outranges by like thousands of times.
What's his range here? i thought the range came from his staff becoming giant?

Plus Mori can just bo bup to close the distance, which basically makes him move so fast it looks like he's teleporting to opponents of relative speed.
Again, slow-mo perception + precognition + monster form speed amp

Can he effectively track a splinter from hundreds of meters away?

Also is it even in character for him to just hide away and bombard the opponent
I don't see why he couldn't track it with his enhanced senses. Also yes, his whole fighting style is basically just "random bullshit go", keeping people away from him, and blitzing.
 
So uhh.
I ain't reading all at.
Understandable ngl 😭
Potential wincons
Mori's staff (Yeoui) can change sizes from small enough to fit in his ear to hundreds of meters possibly up to thousands of kilometers. This allows Mori to either
A. Crush Kukoshibo into a pile of blood under it
B. Blow him up from the inside if he sneaks it into his body
C. BFR him to space

Without Yeoui he could potentially also just yeet him to space by throwing him although in canon that never happens because most opponents who that'd be necessary against just resist the effects of outer space.
There's also recoiless kick that can split you in half from the inside if you get hit directly so if the fight lasts long enough for Mori to AD too much he might just pulverize him with that too.
and skill feat stuff.
This is basically impossible to give a faithful TLDR on but to cover basics:
  • Info analysis that let's Mori see your weak points from just a glance with his base eyes and analyze + counter complex abilities after seeing them once
    • His eyes of truth further let him see things like energy, materials, as well as grant xray vision to further amp his analytical potential
  • Analytical prediction good enough to keep up with characters that can see the future mid fight and comparable if not superior to people that can instantly analyze your attack patterns and even read the entire flow of a fight just by looking at the battlefield without even having any info on the combatants
    • Again his eyes of truth help him here, allowing him to even read teleportation locations with 0 visual or sound queues
  • Power mimicry that let's him instantly copy any technique he sees, and martial arts that let him use his bare hands like swords (plus Yeoui can be manipulated to serve as a sword)
  • Generally a huge martial arts moveset including 3x multipliers, internal attacks, wind manipulation, etc.
  • Millions of years of experience against countless different hax abilities (probably why he's so good at analyzing hax)
That's a VERY shortened version
 
  • Info analysis that let's Mori see your weak points from just a glance with his base eyes and analyze + counter complex abilities after seeing them once
    • His eyes of truth further let him see things like energy, materials, as well as grant xray vision to further amp his analytical potential
  • Analytical prediction good enough to keep up with characters that can see the future mid fight and comparable if not superior to people that can instantly analyze your attack patterns and even read the entire flow of a fight just by looking at the battlefield without even having any info on the combatants
    • Again his eyes of truth help him here, allowing him to even read teleportation locations with 0 visual or sound queues
  • Power mimicry that let's him instantly copy any technique he sees, and martial arts that let him use his bare hands like swords (plus Yeoui can be manipulated to serve as a sword)
  • Generally a huge martial arts moveset including 3x multipliers, internal attacks, wind manipulation, etc.
  • Millions of years of experience against countless different hax abilities (probably why he's so good at analyzing hax)
kokushibo matches most of this like 1:1
 
Why not? He's gonna see that thing in slow motion anyway.
If Mori sneaks Yeoui under, behind, or above him (all of which he does in character) simply seeing it in slow motion won't help. And yelling expand won't make the location of Yeoui apparent.
What's his range here? i thought the range came from his staff becoming giant?
I mean, yeah? It's both that and shockwaves.
But like I said he won't let the fight be a long range one anyway.
Again, slow-mo perception + precognition + monster form speed amp
Yeah I'm aware. Slowmo perception + precog just gets countered by Mori's own precog, speed amps get countered by Mori's speed amp, and Mori has AD on top of that.
This very key has 2 values because Moris AD closed an 8x blitz gap in the time it took him to throw 4 kicks.

If Kokushibo transforms to get stronger Mori is just quickly going to AD to/above his level.
I don't see why he couldn't track it with his enhanced senses.
How is he tracking Mori, keeping up with Mori's predictions, and following a small splinters location?

I can concede he should be able to keep up with Mori's predictions alone, but to also keep track of Yeouis location while doing that and having to avoid any direct recoiless kicks is just unreasonable.
Also yes, his whole fighting style is basically just "random bullshit go", keeping people away from him, and blitzing.
This seems a bit self contradictory. Does he blitz or does he keep away?
kokushibo matches most of this like 1:1
I don’t see a single thing in the thread or on the profile to imply he does.
Analytical predictions? Maybe, purely thanks to slowmo perceptions.
Info analysis that's beyond a quantum computer? Where?
Millions of years of experience? Literally stated to have hundreds.
Power mimicry? Not anywhere in the profile and you didn't mention any. Although it wouldn't matter anyway because trying to copy Mori's martial arts against himself is a suicide. Dean tried doing so on top of future sight and invincibility and still got experience gapped.
Martial arts moveset? He might have a solid swordsmanship moveset but even that seems very small compared to Mori's martial arts.

Either you're not telling me all there is to Kokushibo, or he's just a vastly worse version of Mori in terms of skill.
 
If Mori sneaks Yeoui under, behind, or above him (all of which he does in character) simply seeing it in slow motion won't help. And yelling expand won't make the location of Yeoui apparent.
his enhanced senses will keep track of it. not only does he massively upscale from fodder demons being able to sense the smallest vibrations in the air and hear heartbeats, but he can also just sense malicious intent and predict what Mori is planning. so sneaking up on him is gonna be a big ask, and the slow-mo perception is gonna make it even easier for Kokushibo to react to the staff expanding, especially if he gets a heads up like "under" or "behind". And that trick could only possibly work the first time. there's no way Kokushibo is gonna let something sneak past him a second time.

I mean, yeah? It's both that and shockwaves.
But like I said he won't let the fight be a long range one anyway.
the shockwaves would just lose power the more they need to expand, so Kokushibo keeping his distance is gonna be more than a good enough counter. and i don't buy the staff expanding for thousands of kilometers if we're only limiting him to large town level or city level. at best i can believe it can match Kokushibo's range, but AOE projectiles that are a blitz amp above his normal speed seem more effective to me than a giant pillar from the sky.

Yeah I'm aware. Slowmo perception + precog just gets countered by Mori's own precog, speed amps get countered by Mori's speed amp, and Mori has AD on top of that.
This very key has 2 values because Moris AD closed an 8x blitz gap in the time it took him to throw 4 kicks.
how long does it take for the AD? because Kokushibo can amp himself and his sword to blitz levels pretty much at will. the only thing that he wouldn't be able to do at will is activate rage power and maybe the monster form (if you think he needs to get decapitated for that)

How is he tracking Mori, keeping up with Mori's predictions, and following a small splinters location?

I can concede he should be able to keep up with Mori's predictions alone, but to also keep track of Yeouis location while doing that and having to avoid any direct recoiless kicks is just unreasonable.
like i said above, he massively upscales from demons who can sense vibrations in the air, hear heartbeats, and sense things like disease or poison. he can also sense the presence of people who are probably kilometers away (on the low ball) and upscales from characters whose senses are honed to the point where they can sense danger before it even happens. couple all of that with slow-motion perception, borderline future sight, and skill allowing him to fight 3 other highly skilled people with precognition and widely different fighting styles, and i don't think its that unreasonable to say he can match Mori while tracking the miniature staff.

This seems a bit self contradictory. Does he blitz or does he keep away?
Kokushibo can blitz people from like dozens, to possibly hundreds of meters away with just his enhanced moon blades. Basically, he keeps his distance by spamming blitzing AOE moon blades, and people who were previously on his level and arguably above it weren't able to get through the endless barrages of attacks without a BS hax ability (and low key plot armor).

Analytical predictions? Maybe, purely thanks to slowmo perceptions.
Absolutely. The Transparent World allows him to see muscle contractions in blood flow in someone's body, allowing him to predict their next movements, detect weaknesses in their fighting styles and/or openings, and just estimate how powerful they are in comparison to himself.

Info analysis that's beyond a quantum computer? Where?
I don't know how impressive that is, but Kokushibo was able to analyze Muichiro's entire genome in a single glance, deduce that Genya can't use breathing techniques and that he needs to resort to eating demons and absorbing their power instead, and analyze Gyomei physique to find out that his strength is above 300 years of Hashira generations.

Millions of years of experience? Literally stated to have hundreds.
I'll concede on this.

Power mimicry? Not anywhere in the profile and you didn't mention any. Although it wouldn't matter anyway because trying to copy Mori's martial arts against himself is a suicide. Dean tried doing so on top of future sight and invincibility and still got experience gapped.
Yes, I'll concede on this too. Kokushibo is actually known for not being able to mimic his brother's fighting technique, but considering his technique is the closest to Yoriichi's, I'd argue he can do what Tanjiro does and just make his own iterations of other breathing forms if he wanted to. but since it's not in his profile yet and not something he does in canon (due to how superior his technique is to everyone else's), I'll let it go.

Martial arts moveset? He might have a solid swordsmanship moveset but even that seems very small compared to Mori's martial arts.
I mean, he's pretty much above everyone in the verse (except Yoriichi) in pure martial arts talent. But if you still think that's not enough to even compare to Mori, I don't know what to tell you.
 
As someone who’s read both series, saying Kokushibo has pure martial arts talent compared to Mori is insane lmao 😭
 
Understandable ngl 😭
Thanks for the understanding comerade
Peak


Mori's staff (Yeoui) can change sizes from small enough to fit in his ear to hundreds of meters possibly up to thousands of kilometers. This allows Mori to either
A. Crush Kukoshibo into a pile of blood under it

Does anything stop him from blowing up the planet?

How big is he willing to make it for this fight?

And i guess, the methodology with which he can expand it, and his potential uses for it in a fight.
B. Blow him up from the inside if he sneaks it into his body
That won't help, Not only can koku regen, he has no "lethal" spot for Mori to target, if he opts for this Koku would just be made aware of it and be on guard against it.

It also doesn't matter how small it gets, Koku can still perceive it using the STW as that allows him to see and read people's DNA sequences, unless Mori can hide it using something else not relating to its small size

C. BFR him to space
Can I know how the BFR works please?
Without Yeoui he could potentially also just yeet him to space by throwing him although in canon that never happens because most opponents who that'd be necessary against just resist the effects of outer space.
If he attempts to throw him, Koku can just spawn and materialise blades out of his body alongside crescent moon projectiles to puncture trough/slice Mori.

There's also recoiless kick that can split you in half from the inside if you get hit directly so if the fight lasts long enough for Mori to AD too much he might just pulverize him with that too.
If all he has is H2H martial arts he may be done for ngl, Koku can turn his flesh to swords and spam danmaku like projectiles, each of his regular close quarters sword slashes also have dozens or so crescent moon like blades coating them that Mori needs to deal with, for each attack Koku uses Mori has to deal with 10 or more lethal projectiles coming around his back and from the sides, alongside the sword slash from in front.

That is assuming he comes close, Koku has plethora of ranges options 2.


This is basically impossible to give a faithful TLDR on but to cover basics:
Nah, I understand, I only asked to get the basics in mind and then elaborate and go into details for there.

  • Info analysis that let's Mori see your weak points from just a glance with his base eyes and analyze + counter complex abilities after seeing them once
    • His eyes of truth further let him see things like energy, materials, as well as grant xray vision to further amp his analytical potential
Koku has the STW, which like i explained allows him to see microscopic stuff, the world in slow motion, and is better for fighting than Tanjiro's precognitive sens of smell as once he unlocked it he managed to dodge Akaza's strikes who he deemed as "unavoidable" as it is effectively a form of UI manifested by discarding all other thoughts and even you sens of self, only focusing on the most optimal movements removing all other unnecessary Sensory input by also discarding your other senses.

He can also predict the exact moment someone comes up with a technique and hit at the exact point needed to nullify it.

  • Analytical prediction good enough to keep up with characters that can see the future mid fight and comparable if not superior to people that can instantly analyze your attack patterns and even read the entire flow of a fight just by looking at the battlefield without even having any info on the combatants
    • Again his eyes of truth help him here, allowing him to even read teleportation locations with 0 visual or sound queues
I mean...idk if the latter is even useful in 1 v 1 (as bs as it is 🫠) but as I said, future sight isn't really the best..."sens" in the series per see, so understandable, Koku can also analyze someone's attack pattern and fighting style at a glance (analysing Muichiro's combat style and sword forms, then deducing he is the one who made them then and there)

  • Power mimicry that let's him instantly copy any technique he sees, and martial arts that let him use his bare hands like swords (plus Yeoui can be manipulated to serve as a sword)

Op bs ahh.

Hmm, well, Tanjiro can do this to some degree, but Koku has no showings for this, tho he upscales from him ig, idk if mori can copy breathing styles and koku's techniques tho.
  • Generally a huge martial arts moveset including 3x multipliers, internal attacks, wind manipulation, etc.
Breathing styles serve as massive stat amps as well, altho there isn't really a set multiplier...and moon breathing has no good showings for those either.

There isn't a baseline for it nor can we use other breathing styles as an example, so it's simply an quantifiable boost, but I guess it's there

  • Millions of years of experience against countless different hax abilities (probably why he's so good at analyzing hax)

Huh....nothing to say to this
That's a VERY shortened version
Make it longer and let us see the path enshrined by light.

I am not sorry for taking this long to post I was eating lunch.

edit: btw, if you need scans, just ask, sorry but I was a lil lazy here 🫠
 
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As someone who’s read both series, saying Kokushibo has pure martial arts talent compared to Mori is insane lmao 😭
He has talent, his gen was the best in centuries and he mastered a fighting style no one else could learn (even as he was trying to pass it down and teach it).

Yoriichi just dwarfs the ever living hell out of it....by a lot...
 
He has talent, his gen was the best in centuries and he mastered a fighting style no one else could learn (even as he was trying to pass it down and teach it).
Mori does exactly that, but it’s just on a much more impressive ngl.

He was able to naturally achieved the Recoilless kick without being taught, a kick so complex that even Dean who has the ability to copying skills after merely seeing them used once, had to focus on achieved it and took over 3 million attempts, a number already shortened by his ability to see into the future.
 
Mori does exactly that, but it’s just on a much more impressive ngl.

He was able to naturally achieved the Recoilless kick without being taught, a kick so complex that even Dean who has the ability to copying skills after merely seeing them used once, had to focus on achieved it and took over 3 million attempts, a number already shortened by his ability to see into the future.
Koku made and learn it in less than a month, a couple at best(Not mentioning becoming skilled enough to be one of the best swordsmen around with it).

Even if more impressive, I wouldn't say "much more", especially considering the generation at his time was, like I said, the best seen in centuries.
 
his enhanced senses will keep track of it. not only does he massively upscale from fodder demons being able to sense the smallest vibrations in the air and hear heartbeats, but he can also just sense malicious intent and predict what Mori is planning.
It's not just about having the senses to pick up on it, it's about having the multi tasking capabilities to keep track of it while also mentally predicting Mori's attacks and trying to mentally analyze what he's trying to do.

It's like playing a blitz game of chess while trying to keep track of a fly that's trying to hit you at all times. Hell especially since he has no real way to know Mori's even planning on doing this.
so sneaking up on him is gonna be a big ask, and the slow-mo perception is gonna make it even easier for Kokushibo to react to the staff expanding, especially if he gets a heads up like "under" or "behind".
Why would he get a heads up? Mori just commands the staff to expand he doesn't announce it's location.
And that trick could only possibly work the first time. there's no way Kokushibo is gonna let something sneak past him a second time.
It's about whether he let's it but whether he's capable of stopping it.
the shockwaves would just lose power the more they need to expand, so Kokushibo keeping his distance is gonna be more than a good enough counter.
Actually Mori's control over his power let's him achieve maximum efficiency at all times. Recoiless it's the epitome of this.

So he can just concentrate his wind manip attacks.
and i don't buy the staff expanding for thousands of kilometers if we're only limiting him to large town level or city level. at best i can believe it can match Kokushibo's range,
Even the lowest expansion feat that I sent is easily out ranging hundreds of meters. Especially with how thick it is it'd basically be an impenetrable shield.
but AOE projectiles that are a blitz amp above his normal speed seem more effective to me than a giant pillar from the sky.
AOE projectiles can be dodged in between them or swatted away to make room.
To dodge Yeoui you have to outrun it's diameter which Mori can freely manipulate.
how long does it take for the AD?
Depends on the situation. If he's normally fighting 3-4 attacks worth of time should be enough.
If he's getting extremely pressured? Might just instantly jump the gap.

Plus he's passively growing at all times. So even if neither of them start with amps Kokushibo might end up needing them just to keep up. Against Jung, who mind you is a 98% identically clone of Mori, Mori was growing so fast that Jung needed to spam multipliers just to keep up and yet he failed.
because Kokushibo can amp himself and his sword to blitz levels pretty much at will.
Yeah and Mori can use bobup at will. It's basically a fancy way of walking that makes him so fast it's as if he's teleporting.
the only thing that he wouldn't be able to do at will is activate rage power and maybe the monster form (if you think he needs to get decapitated for that)
No idea lol.
Kokushibo can blitz people from like dozens, to possibly hundreds of meters away with just his enhanced moon blades. Basically, he keeps his distance by spamming blitzing AOE moon blades, and people who were previously on his level and arguably above it weren't able to get through the endless barrages of attacks without a BS hax ability (and low key plot armor).
Doesn't sound too difficult ngl. Especially since Mori can just swat them away with Yeoui
Absolutely. The Transparent World allows him to see muscle contractions in blood flow in someone's body,
So do the eyes of truth and yet all Moris feats I mentioned were done without even using them.
allowing him to predict their next movements, detect weaknesses in their fighting styles and/or openings, and just estimate how powerful they are in comparison to himself.
Yeah all are things Mori can do even without his enhanced senses and he can then slap his eyes of truth on top of it all. That's why I'm saying maybe if we're generous they'll be comparable.
I don't know how impressive that is,
Really? I was thinking it's super straightforward ngl. Quantum computers can process information that regular computer would take millenia to do so in minutes.
but Kokushibo was able to analyze Muichiro's entire genome in a single glance, deduce that Genya can't use breathing techniques and that he needs to resort to eating demons and absorbing their power instead, and analyze Gyomei physique to find out that his strength is above 300 years of Hashira generations.
Honestly none of that is nearly as impressive as Mori analyzing the heat manip and future sight with just his base eyeballs ngl.
Using xray vision to determine someone can't use breathing techniques vs finding out someone is lowering ignition temperature based on sound is just a big difference.
I mean, he's pretty much above everyone in the verse (except Yoriichi) in pure martial arts talent. But if you still think that's not enough to even compare to Mori, I don't know what to tell you.
That on its own doesn't mean anything unless you have some crazy martial art skills for others.

Any named GoH character could probably beat the best martial artist in something like The Boys for example. But only the absolute most skilled ones could come close to the best in something like FoTNS
 
Koku made and learn it in less than a month, a couple at best
Are you saying that Kokushibo made and learned the Recoilless kick? LoL.
(Not mentioning becoming skilled enough to be one of the best swordsmen around with it).
I'm not sure how that will help here, since basic Renewal Taekwondo is stated to be a perfect martial art and allows a single soldier to take on an entire military platoon.
Even if more impressive, I wouldn't say "much more", especially considering the generation at his time was, like I said, the best seen in centuries.
Has anyone in his generation shown the ability to copy swordsmanship style after seeing them just once? And have they shown that they can't copy Kokushibo swordsmanship? If not, then what Mori did is MUST MORE impressive.
 
Does anything stop him from blowing up the planet?
No one here has 5B AP. Yeoui only has 5B durability.
How big is he willing to make it for this fight?
However he has to/can.
And i guess, the methodology with which he can expand it, and his potential uses for it in a fight.
He can just verbally command it to expand/shrink and it'll get as big/small as he needs it to be.
That won't help, Not only can koku regen, he has no "lethal" spot for Mori to target, if he opts for this Koku would just be made aware of it and be on guard against it.
The thing is, Kokushibo still needs to regenerate and if he's obliterated that leaves him vulnerable to just getting crushed into a pool of blood.
Also with enough force it can just outdamage his regen. His profile just says he can regen from being reduced to a head but if Mori just kicks him into a pool of blood that ain't cutting it.
Can I know how the BFR works please?
Mori launches you into space. In-universe he did it by pushing you by massively extending his Yeoui but nothing should stop him from just throwing you given he has class Z LS.
If he attempts to throw him, Koku can just spawn and materialise blades out of his body alongside crescent moon projectiles to puncture trough/slice Mori.
Slicing Moris palm in exchange for guaranteed win seems pretty chill ngl
I mean...idk if the latter is even useful in 1 v 1
Why wouldn't it be+
(as bs as it is 🫠) but as I said, future sight isn't really the best..."sens" in the series per see, so understandable, Koku can also analyze someone's attack pattern and fighting style at a glance (analysing Muichiro's combat style and sword forms, then deducing he is the one who made them then and there)
Yeah but there's a difference between predictions with fight long range and future sight level accuracy and just simply understanding your opponents combat style.
Op bs ahh.
Chapter 1 Mori level stuff ngl
Breathing styles serve as massive stat amps as well, altho there isn't really a set multiplier...and moon breathing has no good showings for those either.
Do breathing styles need some unique verse specific energy or physiology? If not Mori is just copying them.
Make it longer and let us see the path enshrined by light.
I can but I'm a bit busy rn + I already explained some if it in the thread
I am not sorry for taking this long to post I was eating lunch.
Np
 
Can i reply to all at or do I leave it to mach.

Idk.
Edit: wait, imma reply to the rest first 🫠

alright, done.

It's not just about having the senses to pick up on it, it's about having the multi tasking capabilities to keep track of it while also mentally predicting Mori's attacks and trying to mentally analyze what he's trying to do.

If the pool of your cognitive abilities is potent enough, you can do as several tasks at once.

Reading an entire genome in apparent seconds means he has more than enough leeway in the mental processing department.

Why would he get a heads up? Mori just commands the staff to expand he doesn't announce it's location.
DS characters all have a form of danger sens, like Sanemi dodging out of the way of an attack that he had no idea would happen, Rengoku reaction to an attack with no "killing intent" behind it while in a state of deep sleep and dreaming with nothing but his instinct, Mitsuri instinctively reacting to attacks so fast she can't see etc.

He should be able to dodge it just by sensing that, extra points if there was an intent behind it.

It's about whether he let's it but whether he's capable of stopping it.
Tho even assuming it lands, unless his entire body is literally reduced to mush, he is regenerating before mori can even call his weapon back.

Actually Mori's control over his power let's him achieve maximum efficiency at all times. Recoiless it's the epitome of this.
That's the STW's core mechanic, every attack performed is done in the most efficient least wasteful way possible as one of the requirements needed to unlock it is legit watching your body's movements down to the tiniest blood vessel then closing everything not needed for any and all movements you're performing, this is the physical aspect, the mental one is what I described above.


So he can just concentrate his wind manip attacks.

Koku can just slash any projectiles by just spamming his crescent moon blades really.

Even the lowest expansion feat that I sent is easily out ranging hundreds of meters. Especially with how thick it is it'd basically be an impenetrable shield.

Considring Koku can just spam this


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Is it any good against it?
AOE projectiles can be dodged in between them or swatted away to make room.

Making room is impossible, you either have to dodge or block them, especially considering they can also be aimed to target your back and sides.

Like I said, for every single attack Mori can dish out, Koku can dish out 10 or more, he is at an absurd disadvantage just off of that
To dodge Yeoui you have to outrun it's diameter which Mori can freely manipulate.
How wide we talking?
And can Mori not be harmed by it?

Depends on the situation. If he's normally fighting 3-4 attacks worth of time should be enough.

wot.
If he's getting extremely pressured? Might just instantly jump the gap.
Huh.
That's some bs AD.
Plus he's passively growing at all times. So even if neither of them start with amps Kokushibo might end up needing them just to keep up. Against Jung, who mind you is a 98% identically clone of Mori, Mori was growing so fast that Jung needed to spam multipliers just to keep up and yet he failed.
Guess those 2% mattered 😭

No idea lol.

Doesn't sound too difficult ngl. Especially since Mori can just swat them away with Yeoui

Can he continuously use it?

So do the eyes of truth and yet all Moris feats I mentioned were done without even using them.


Yeah all are things Mori can do even without his enhanced senses and he can then slap his eyes of truth on top of it all. That's why I'm saying maybe if we're generous they'll be comparable.

Really? I was thinking it's super straightforward ngl. Quantum computers can process information that regular computer would take millenia to do so in minutes.

Honestly none of that is nearly as impressive as Mori analyzing the heat manip and future sight with just his base eyeballs ngl.
Using xray vision to determine someone can't use breathing techniques vs finding out someone is lowering ignition temperature based on sound is just a big difference.
Koku read a genome and deduced an ancestry in seconds, special points for the character being from like 18 generations ago.

While what you said is impressive, deducing ancestry is subject more variables and worse structure, so it is much harder to do.


That on its own doesn't mean anything unless you have some crazy martial art skills for others.

Any named GoH character could probably beat the best martial artist in something like The Boys for example. But only the absolute most skilled ones could come close to the best in something like FoTNS

Imma just copy paste smth
Giyu is able to see what technique Tanjro is going to make from his slight movements then from that make an entire new technique for the best synergy effect for pretty much instantly then use it effectively, that same guy, with no precog of his own,managed to fight against akaza, a guy who can instinctively aim for his opponent's weak points and vitals with an accuracy so high his attacks were described to be quitle lietral magnets, and who Tanjiro even deemed his attacks to being unavoidable and he can literally smell the future(this is the same guy who defeated 67 kendo masters when 17,only like 300 years later and a lot more training as a demon who doesn't need to rest sleep eat or even blink), only reason he managed to dodge is he unlocked a "superior" sens, and that is the STW

Idk how well this is, but Akaza has this.




No one here has 5B AP. Yeoui only has 5B durability.
Bro if it can be made to the size of the planet it will have tier 5 AP just via size alone lol.

However he has to/can.

He can just verbally command it to expand/shrink and it'll get as big/small as he needs it to be.
Oh, I see, then I doubt koku is getting hit unless the range is huge.



The thing is, Kokushibo still needs to regenerate and if he's obliterated that leaves him vulnerable to just getting crushed into a pool of blood.
Also with enough force it can just outdamage his regen. His profile just says he can regen from being reduced to a head but if Mori just kicks him into a pool of blood that ain't cutting it.
He regens faster than he attacks, unless...well, he ADs his way to that kinda speed...


Mori launches you into space. In-universe he did it by pushing you by massively extending his Yeoui but nothing should stop him from just throwing you given he has class Z LS.

Cheating ahh.


Slicing Moris palm in exchange for guaranteed win seems pretty chill ngl

Not just slicing, he also launches crescent moon blades with them, so he gets diced to peices unless he stops and dodges.
Why wouldn't it be+
Because that just seems like hax.

If they can analyse battle fields like that with no prior info about the attacks or the combatants that isn't really a matter of cognition anymore is it lol.

Yeah but there's a difference between predictions with fight long range and future sight level accuracy and just simply understanding your opponents combat style.
Idk what you even wanna say here bro.

Chapter 1 Mori level stuff ngl

That kinda shi is OP no matter where it is shown bruh.
Do breathing styles need some unique verse specific energy or physiology? If not Mori is just copying them.
They do depend on personality and physique, but idk considering breathing forms and total concentration breathing constant require a lot of effort and put a lot of strain on the body if you're not used to them.

I can but I'm a bit busy rn + I already explained some if it in the thread

I, too, am a lazy ahh.

W twin.

Find the problem and give it to me
Are you saying that Kokushibo made and learned the Recoilless kick? LoL.
Yes 😊
Nah, the moon breathing lol
I'm not sure how that will help here, since basic Renewal Taekwondo is stated to be a perfect martial art and allows a single soldier to take on an entire military platoon.

Not really all at, if anything pillars can contend with this somehow



This is not mentioning the opponent has no weakness or lethal points to take advantage of and make a threat (Ie no way to make them acknowledge an attack instead of just ignoring it) other than straight up decapitation, and they have infinite stamina.
Has anyone in his generation shown the ability to copy swordsmanship style after seeing them just once?
Nope, but they're the best of the best and no one in that generation was able to learn the style.

Copying stuff is just hax.

If you're able to move your body the way you desire, as well as understanding the intent behind every strike and attack.
If you can do the latter 2, you can "copy" any marital art and use it in combat depending on your battle int.

And have they shown that they can't copy Kokushibo swordsmanship? If not, then what Mori did is MUST MORE impressive.
much more*

But I was talking in bro actually made it, and learnt what he made in a month or so at best, and others couldn't learn it even as he tried to teach them, that is considering they're the most talented generation of swordsmen the world has seen in several centuries and are the most talented and skilled.

At the very least, this implies the style is complex, so even what Mori accomplished is better, it ain't MUCH better, considering he both made and mastered it.
 
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He can just verbally command it to expand/shrink and it'll get as big/small as he needs it to be.
Functionally speaking this would be AP. Idk why this isn't accounted for in the profile as at least varies yet you guys have it's LS put for Multi-stellar.
 
Functionally speaking this would be AP. Idk why this isn't accounted for in the profile as at least varies yet you guys have it's LS put for Multi-stellar.
Bro, we're trying to fix it 😭
GOH verse has this curse where it takes at least 3 weeks for a single CRT to get approved lmao.
 
Bro, we're trying to fix it 😭
GOH verse has this curse where it takes at least 3 weeks for a single CRT to get approved lmao.
Can I blame David?
 
I'm not sure how that will help here, since basic Renewal Taekwondo is stated to be a perfect martial art and allows a single soldier to take on an entire military platoon.
myriad already answered to everything and said pretty much everything i had on mind. but i just want to point out how this is something even a HUMAN akaza was able to do at the age of 16 or 17 lmao
 
He has talent, his gen was the best in centuries and he mastered a fighting style no one else could learn (even as he was trying to pass it down and teach it).
Honestly that doesn't really mean anything. Especially not in comparison to something as insane as recoiless.

Go give a short breakdown on just Mori's basic martial arts.
ITF taekwondo is the result of the soviet union, north Korea, and China combining their technology to analyze all Chinese martial arts, find the positives and negatives, and then creating the perfect martial art for killing. This alone is so insane that a single soldier with this martial art was equal to 30-50 regular soldiers.
South Korea then kidnapped a user of this martial art and then used their technology to bring it to an even higher level while also implementing a stealth skill to it, creating renewal taekwondo. Renewals itself was so advanced 30% of people that tried learning it self destructed from it.

This is what Mori had in chapter 1. During the first 80ish chapters Mori found out the last 2 (technically 3) weaknesses renewal still had. He then used his deep knowledge of the human body and combined renewal with countless other supernatural martial arts he has copied to make up for the weaknesses.
Then after about 250 chapters of improving Mori achieved recoiless.

Recoiless is "the next stage of martial arts" which completely eradicates any wasted energy, unnecessary micro movements, and perfectly concentrates energy to achieve the maximum possible level of a skill. This is so advanced that Dean who's talent as the literal next step in human evolution allows him to not only replicate martial arts like basic renewal after a single glance but even supernatural abilities like gravity manipulation not only failed to copy it but needed 3 million attempts to learn a single recoiless kick. THAT is how massive the difference between basic martial arts and recoiless is. Mind you Mori not only knows it but he achieved it on his own, and from that managed to achieve the same level mid fight for all his martial arts.

(this is kinda shortened as going over each jump in skill over 230 chapters would be too time consuming)
 
Functionally speaking this would be AP. Idk why this isn't accounted for in the profile as at least varies yet you guys have it's LS put for Multi-stellar.
Actually for Yeouis expansion AP we do put varies.
Tho the multi stellar LS is outdated. It's just class Z for this Mori (still bajifuckillion times higher than Kokushibo but not nearly as impressive as multi-stellar. Not in this key at least)
 
Aight, done.

Btw, what does mori do if Koku just keeps doing this whenever he tries to attack close range.
I mean if Gyomei and Sanemi survived that attack and they were pretty much right next to him to attack him…

And Mori Dan has Analytical Prediction on the level of ACTUAL precognition (5 seconds into the future)… along with X-Ray vision and Information Analysis with the Eyes of Truth
 
Honestly that doesn't really mean anything. Especially not in comparison to something as insane as recoiless.

Go give a short breakdown on just Mori's basic martial arts.
ITF taekwondo is the result of the soviet union, north Korea, and China combining their technology to analyze all Chinese martial arts, find the positives and negatives, and then creating the perfect martial art for killing. This alone is so insane that a single soldier with this martial art was equal to 30-50 regular soldiers.
South Korea then kidnapped a user of this martial art and then used their technology to bring it to an even higher level while also implementing a stealth skill to it, creating renewal taekwondo. Renewals itself was so advanced 30% of people that tried learning it self destructed from it.

This is what Mori had in chapter 1. During the first 80ish chapters Mori found out the last 2 (technically 3) weaknesses renewal still had. He then used his deep knowledge of the human body and combined renewal with countless other supernatural martial arts he has copied to make up for the weaknesses.
Then after about 250 chapters of improving Mori achieved recoiless.

Recoiless is "the next stage of martial arts" which completely eradicates any wasted energy, unnecessary micro movements, and perfectly concentrates energy to achieve the maximum possible level of a skill. This is so advanced that Dean who's talent as the literal next step in human evolution allows him to not only replicate martial arts like basic renewal after a single glance but even supernatural abilities like gravity manipulation not only failed to copy it but needed 3 million attempts to learn a single recoiless kick. THAT is how massive the difference between basic martial arts and recoiless is. Mind you Mori not only knows it but he achieved it on his own, and from that managed to achieve the same level mid fight for all his martial arts.

(this is kinda shortened as going over each jump in skill over 230 chapters would be too time consuming)

Bro Akaza has aim bot, like straight up aim bot, and koku is more skilled than he is.

No matter how well the martial art, it can't be all at much better than a dude who fights with all these as passive buffs


And he STILL couldn't get the STW, only faintly feeling its existence.

The STW does what I described above, it basically means every movement and counter movement you perform are perfect.


I mean if Gyomei and Sanemi survived that attack and they were pretty much right next to him to attack him…

They have danger sens, It's not a surprise they can.

And them being able to has baring on Mori doing it really, ofc-
And Mori Dan has Analytical Prediction on the level of ACTUAL precognition (5 seconds into the future)… along with X-Ray vision and Information Analysis with the Eyes of Truth
If he has precog, it's a different matter, but whether or not he can see it as he is dashing towards Koku ready to strike is a different matter.

And even then, unless he develops enough, he can't really get past it without being able to tank Koku's attacks/ignore them, or blitz him before he can produce those slashes I guess.
 
Hmmm, going to pick Mori on this, consder him a smarter fighter and superior overall combatant. If her were to crush Koku with Yeoui that's a win-con and if he were to launch Koku to space that's another win-con
 
I mean if Gyomei and Sanemi survived that attack and they were pretty much right next to him to attack him…
Mori would still get blown away from the giant moon blades and wouldn't walk away with no injuries. i mean, this Kokushibo was weakened due to getting his blood drained from the vampiric trees in the very previous panel (and demons rely on their blood for their strength). casual blades from a base Kokushibo were enough to leave Sanemi's torso slashed opened and his organs would've slipped out if he didn't flex his muscles to stitch them together.

And Mori Dan has Analytical Prediction on the level of ACTUAL precognition (5 seconds into the future)… along with X-Ray vision and Information Analysis with the Eyes of Truth
honestly if he gets close enough for Kokushibo to need to resort to what he did in the first image, i don't think 5 seconds would be enough to get out of the range.
 
Not really all at, if anything pillars can contend with this somehow
Great, Mori has fought someone like Satan, who can do pretty much exactly that, so this should be a piece of cake for him.
This is not mentioning the opponent has no weakness or lethal points to take advantage of and make a threat (Ie no way to make them acknowledge an attack instead of just ignoring it) other than straight up decapitation
GOH Part 2 character feats, nice.
,and they have infinite stamina.
The fight would likely end before there's even a chance to use it as an advantage.
Nope, but they're the best of the best and no one in that generation was able to learn the style.
Then they no better than Dean when it comes to learning.
Copying stuff is just hax.
No? Especially when you pull it off with pure skill alone.
If you're able to move your body the way you desire, as well as understanding the intent behind every strike and attack.
If you can do the latter 2, you can "copy" any marital art and use it in combat depending on your battle int.
But can they do it instantly without needing any training, just like Dean?
But I was talking in bro actually made it, and learnt what he made in a month or so at best,
Part 2 mori feats.
and others couldn't learn it even as he tried to teach them, that is considering they're the most talented generation of swordsmen the world has seen in several centuries and are the most talented and skilled.
But did he do it to the point where someone with instant-copy abilities had to practice it more than 3 million times just to use it?
At the very least, this implies the style is complex, so even what Mori accomplished is better, it ain't MUCH better, considering he both made and mastered it.
Honestly, I don't understand how that could possibly top Mori naturally achieving the Recoilless kick. Like, I've told you everything about why Mori's feats are so much more impressive, but you’re still saying they aren't.
 
myriad already answered to everything and said pretty much everything i had on mind. but i just want to point out how this is something even a HUMAN akaza was able to do at the age of 16 or 17 lmao
67 people ≠ ENTIRE military platoon yk + That’s just what a baseline Renewal Taekwondo user can do, and Mori scales far beyond that.
 
Idk how reasonable it is that he'll be thrown to space. In TW the throw wouldn't be instant for him, he'd have plenty of time to think of how to prevent it. Could cut his arm off, grab onto Mori, spawn swords from the body part Mori grabs. And he should be able to counter the force or at least slow himself down with moon attacks.
 
67 people ≠ ENTIRE military platoon yk + That’s just what a baseline Renewal Taekwondo user can do, and Mori scales far beyond that.
This just sounds like arguing numbers. Kokushibou's unironically comparable to several Hashira who are also superior to dozens of demon slayers. Like does it really matter?
 
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