Btw I asked some of the DS supporters and they say they are not interested in arguing, should we just mention Mori's wincons?Erm actually that's Mori Dan not Mori Jin
Also you should restrict Mori's MJ transformation or he just blitzes and one shots
I mean sure.
And if Koku decides to regen, Mori can simply BFR him to space.
I'd like to first see arguments for Koku (although I'm afraid we're not getting those)
I think we should vote for Mori atp, no ds supporter gonna be here
Just a find character people wanna engage with. There's plenty of 7B or H7C characters.
nah kokushibo is a fun character to talk about. other kny supporters will join soon, trust
As far as I understand, Kokushibo has far better reaction speed with it but Mori should be fine thanks to his prediction skills. This is the exact Mori who fought someone with straight up future seeing ability and could keep up thanks to his predictions.
Future sight doesn't matter much ngl, can still just be outmaneuvered or outsmarted. Mori says he's just making predictions, I wouldn't doubt he gets something wrong against Kokushibo who's got chaotic attacks. And nah it's not just reaction speed, it's also perception. And he'll see into Mori, and any attack will be predicted through his bodily movements down to the blood flow and muscle contractions. He also fought same people with this and scales above Akaza who has it too.
only because the hashira could exploit his weakness and prevent his transformation. i originally argued for the hashira, but i can admit without poison + red blades, they'd all get brutally killed off.
Kokushibo has this too. The Transparent World allows him to essentially see in slow-motion, while observing their blood flow and muscle contractions to properly predict their next moves. With this, he would also know the exact moment he needs to strike. Also, I don't know how much prediction can really help against Kokushibo, considering he can spawn and spam moon blades without moving his body or swinging his sword.
akaza's compass is way more different than the TW, so outscaling him doesn't say much.
Oh no I thought Akaza had TW I'm mistaking the xray panel.
nah that's tanjiro, but you'd be right that he massively outscales that version of tanjiro
Future sight basically grants the same thing as TW except much better.
I really doubt he's overcoming Mori's analytical predictions, given how absurdly smart and skilled Mori is.
Yeah that's all fine but that's still just analytical prediction which can be fooled unlike Dean's future sight. Basically everyone and their grandma has analytical prediction and the skill to overcome in GOH and even this Mori is extremely high in the skill chain.
Not really. Seeing what someone does next doesn't mean you understand how they'll do it and how powerful or fast it'll be.
Can you point to what you think is impressive in his combat intel section? Cuz most of it reads as regular skilled slop. You guys should also remove EG since that's no longer a thing for combat.
You're kinda misconstruing this. Mori himself admits he's just making predictions, that just makes him good at predicting against someone seeing the future. Doesn't mean he will see the future and it doesn't mean Kokushibou gonna be read without any errors.
Kokushibou's fine at range with his moon breathing.
Except Dean was seeing entire 5 second intervals including what's going to happen to him in that future so understanding how fast or strong an attack is going to be was a given.
On paper you have people with billions of years of knowledge who grasp the truth of the universe and invent perpetually multiplying and evolving life forms, who have used quantum computers to analyze and counter their opponents, saying Mori's intelligence is beyond their understanding.
I'm not saying MORI can see the future. I'm saying seeing the future is much better than just seeing things slowed down and Mori could still overcome that through his predictions.
How does that work? Because Mori pretty severely out ranges with Yeoui.
Dw I'm planning a verse wide intelligence revision so it'll be removed. But the exclusion of combat skill means basically every intelligence section needs to be expanded upon and that's a bit time tasking
Why'd 5 second impressive? And that's not intelligence, at least nothing scaleable. Just sounds like information analysis.
That isn't combat. That's a hard cut off from creating random shit to being outskilled in combat.
Information analysis.
I disagree. Seeing the future doesn't inherently make it better. And he's not seeing things just slowed down, he's saying what your body is going to do next. And Mori's predictions can still have errors, until that's disproven I don't see why it means much besides making them relative in predictions.
Just random moon shaped attacks being launched randomly from his body or sword. Should be on profile so you can see how it looks.
There's already a decent amount there for Mori, and ngl most is just hax granted skill.Dw I'm planning a verse wide intelligence revision so it'll be removed. But the exclusion of combat skill means basically every intelligence section needs to be expanded upon and that's a bit time tasking
Because it means he literally saw entire fight sequences happening before they even started, not just like a punch like the sharingan does for example.
Information analysis that comes entirely from his intelligence and not any supernatural abilities.
I really don't think you can call a combat genius creating weapons completely cut off from combat lmao.
Yes…? Info analysis is just a practical application of intelligence here.
It 100% does.
Yes if you're skilled enough to do so. And the only thing about Kokushibos skill on his profile is him having 500 years of experience which both doesn't really mean anything and gets ridiculously dwarfed by Mori's 80-something MILLION years of experience and the 5.67 BILLION years of experience that people like Okhwang (who less skilled Mori could fight equally) have.
I mean the entire purpose of me pointing out Mori's prediction skills was to say he can counter TW not that he stomps him or anything.
It's mentioned but it doesn't have a scan linked to it.
Decent amount sure, but there's definitely more that can be added.
Hax granted skill? Mori has basically 0 hax that'd "grant" skill except maybe the eyes which he doesn't have/use during majority of his impressive feats.
Lowkey he could just
The pillar can no-sell >5B attacks and achieve range worth hundreds of kilometers.
Technically that specific panel is performed by a different key but the size Yeoui can achieve is basically the same throughout all of his keys, it just eats a huge amount of stamina to affect it when it's bigger.
Generally scales to the users speed. Yeoui actually has its own profile by yours truly (Mori's Yeoui is only base here)
I see. well considering speed is equalized, then Kokuhsibo would have no issue avoiding it, especially with the perception amp from the STW, or even his Monster form.
It's not really that simple. Yeouis size and mass can be manipulated through just voice commands and Mori is really creative with its use. Mori likes to hide Yeoui on the battlefield and guiding you towards it for example.
and the voice commands would give him enough warning, no?
Kokushibo isn't gonna be far behind on the skill department either. he's arguably the most skilled character in the series (behind yoriichi), has insane range and spammable AOE attacks which are arguably blitz levels above his normal speed that not even other highly skilled swordsmen with precognition and various speed amps could go through, alongside insane regeneration and a final form that's another blitz amp above his previous form.
sure, but i'd imagine it's gonna be hard getting close to the guy who can spam blitzing AOE attacks forever without getting tired. and considering he's gonna be seeing the whole fight in slow motion, and doesn't even really have to aim his attacks, it's gonna be pretty easy for him to keep track of the staff even in its tiny form.
I really don’t think the word "expand" or "expand Yeoui" is going to give him any idea on where Yeoui is hidden or enough time to dodge mid cqc combat.
I'd need to hear or/and see more about his skill to really buy that ngl. Like I said his profile is basically empty and going purely off of the descriptions there makes it sound like chapter 1 Mori is putting belt to his ass.
Keeping distance is effectively a suicide for Kokushibo. The extra range makes dodging the projectiles extremely easy, especially if he decides to just block with Yeoui or an omnidirectional shockwave. And if Mori decides to start long ranging then he HEAVILY outranges by like thousands of times.
Can he effectively track a splinter from hundreds of meters away?
