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The Smartest Man Alive vs The Strongest Alien Alive (4/4/0)

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Alien X does not have Higher Dimensional Existence


Rules​

  • Speed is Equalized
  • Both are at their peak (Ben is in control of Alien X)
  • Battle takes place in the Frozen Lake on Midgard
  • Start 5 meters away
  • Mimir has prior knowledge on Alien X's... everything.
  • Gabagool.

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Standard T-Pose: 4

Standard Head Pose: 4

Inconclusive: 0
 
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Well if he starts with kratos with prior knowledge on AX then there is nothing much that can be done.
 
Well if he starts with kratos with prior knowledge on AX then there is nothing much that can be done.
Well, that's just the thing, Reiner.

Kratos doesn't have the prior knowledge, only Mimir does.
 
Wouldn't Alien X's body getting hit with concept hax screw him since he has no resistance to that? Or how does that work?
 
Wouldn't Alien X's body getting hit with concept hax screw him since he has no resistance to that? Or how does that work?
No Higher Dimensional existence nor proper resistances to anything in magic cause layers out the ass means skill issue; lol. But he's still 1-B.
 
No Higher Dimensional existence nor proper resistances to anything in magic cause layers out the ass means skill issue; lol. But he's still 1-B.
Actually, wait, are any of his resistances 1-B?
 
Don't you need 1-B range to really put down Alien X?
Permanently? Yes.

But you sort of have to prove said Immortality is actually combat applicable. And since Alien X is kinda the god tier...
Actually, wait, are any of his resistances 1-B?
Smurf doesn't exist Planck, remember?
 
Smurf doesn't exist Planck, remember?
Oh. Yeah. Huh.

I guess Kratos just senses Mimir is in danger and vaporizes X's body for good with Sinmara's Cinder. Alien X doesn't have any evidence of regenerating his body from conceptual destruction.
 
Does Kratos resists Alien X's EE?
There's an ongoing thread for exactly that, as you know so, shrug. Currently, no.

Even if he doesn't, this assumes Alien X instantly opens with something he's never used as opposed to Kratos just flexing with the first wide-area magic that comes to mind.
 
Plus there's like a hundred different ways AX can just sort of hit Kratos or Mimir. Some don't work, but some exercise being 1-B.
 
Mimir FRA then.

This is such a cheap fight...
 
There's an ongoing thread for exactly that, as you know so, shrug. Currently, no.

Even if he doesn't, this assumes Alien X instantly opens with something he's never used as opposed to Kratos just flexing with the first wide-area magic that comes to mind.
I mean, all Alien X has ever done was done under the control of Ben and not really serena bellicus (which wouldn't be the case here i suppose since per SBA, all of them will be eager to win). Celestial sapiens generally implied to only use EE by Kevin when the trio enters the forge of creation and it seems to be the case since when Professor Paradox enters AX's space mind, serena and bellicus decides to destroy Paradox on the spot (method unknown but its pretty much clear how they intend to destroy him given kevin's and other characters input).
 
Mimir FRA then.

This is such a cheap fight...
Wanna see me do it again?
I mean, all Alien X has ever done was done under the control of Ben and not really serena bellicus (which wouldn't be the case here i suppose since per SBA, all of them will be eager to win). Celestial sapiens generally implied to only use EE by Kevin when the trio enters the forge of creation and it seems to be the case since when Professor Paradox enters AX's space mind, serena and bellicus decides to destroy Paradox on the spot (method unknown but its pretty much clear how they intend to destroy him given kevin's and other characters input).
Isn't AX on the page the one Ben uses?
 
I mean, all Alien X has ever done was done under the control of Ben and not really serena bellicus (which wouldn't be the case here i suppose since per SBA, all of them will be eager to win). Celestial sapiens generally implied to only use EE by Kevin when the trio enters the forge of creation and it seems to be the case since when Professor Paradox enters AX's space mind, serena and bellicus decides to destroy Paradox on the spot (method unknown but its pretty much clear how they intend to destroy him given kevin's and other characters input).
Isn't there a Celestial Sapien that Ben fights who does exactly the opposite? How does that square?
 
Isn't there a Celestial Sapien that Ben fights who does exactly the opposite? How does that square?
That was like, Tetramand Trial of Combat. Which was supposed to be, as the name implies, combat. For which they brought sppecific celestial sapien that throws hands and fights, and he differs from other celestial sapiens in many ways too as in he is, as serena bellicus puts in words "most decisive celestial sapen they have ever seen"
 
That was like, Tetramand Trial of Combat. Which was supposed to be, as the name implies, combat. For which they brought sppecific celestial sapien that throws hands and fights, and he differs from other celestial sapiens in many ways too as in he is, as serena bellicus puts in words "most decisive celestial sapen they have ever seen"
I see. You will forgive for having a hard time believing that despite never having used this ability ever, he'd use it on a stranger.

But even then, I presume he'd use it on his target rather than the whole of reality? Would he use it on Mimir or Kratos or both?
 
I see. You will forgive for having a hard time believing that despite never having used this ability ever, he'd use it on a stranger.

But even then, I presume he'd use it on his target rather than the whole of reality? Would he use it on Mimir or Kratos or both?
Not really stranger, since he is supposed to win and Kevin and trio were strangers too for them but celestail sapiens arent generally one to bother themselves much and just do whats most efficient, as they were about to do to paradox.

Kevin says celstial sapiens can erase them all in a blink, and on many instances we know celestial sapiens can target more than few.

But as reaperman said, we assume he is in Ben control by default, so idk if serena bellecus arguements works here.
 
Not really stranger, since he is supposed to win and Kevin and trio were strangers too for them but celestail sapiens arent generally one to bother themselves much and just do whats most efficient, as they were about to do to paradox.

Kevin says celstial sapiens can erase them all in a blink, and on many instances we know celestial sapiens can target more than few.

But as reaperman said, we assume he is in Ben control by default, so idk if serena bellecus arguements works here.
I wouldn't mind a key for when Ben is in control and for when Serena/Bellecus are in control. This match would fall under the former, but when that CRT is made in passed, we're going for rounds 3-5

Because Kratos is a separate profile so it's funnier.
 
Well if ben is in control then there is not much to argue.
 
I mean, it isn't. As it currently stands, Kratos neither resists erasure nor can he withstand Alien X's raw power.

AX just loses on the draw, making this decisive.
Even saying Ben doesn't just erase them, he can still 1-B, so sure.
 
Yeah 1-B pretty much makes this non-stop. Besides a person not using their wincon as first attack despite having it and willing to use in fight overall is also not a stomp under SBA.

Reading discussion above, voting Mimir FRA.
 
Permanently? Yes.

But you sort of have to prove said Immortality is actually combat applicable. And since Alien X is kinda the god tier...
Tbh this always bummed me out since he never showed feats of doing RW stuff without body. But the main argument is that multiple scans say he needs to merely think to do stuff, so he can use all of his haxes and abilities as long as his mind exists. Which I personally disagree with but idk if it's accepted like this here and if previous MUs operated under this assumption.
 
Tbh this always bummed me out since he never showed feats of doing RW stuff without body. But the main argument is that multiple scans say he needs to merely think to do stuff, so he can use all of his haxes and abilities as long as his mind exists. Which I personally disagree with but idk if it's accepted like this here and if previous MUs operated under this assumption.
Regular Celestial Sapien, including Alien X, has never actually been shown in a direct fight, only specific type of fight (Tetramand trial combat). All of their attacks and techniques comes from their statements, as mentioned in the 'Notable Attacks/Techniques' section on their species page.
 
Regular Celestial Sapien, including Alien X, has never actually been shown in a direct fight, only specific type of fight (Tetramand trial combat).
I mean, there was Alien X vs. Galactic Gladiator.
All of their attacks and techniques comes from their statements, as mentioned in the 'Notable Attacks/Techniques' section on their species page.
My biggest issue with this is that if we assume they literally don't need bodies and can just keep fighting as usual with just minds, it makes the AX vs. GG fight extremely silly and somewhat stupid, as they target each others' bodies although it would literally have no effect (unless only AX has that physiology, but that still undermines fight in my view...)

But if there is a precedent in previous MUs or it was approved somewhere in CRT that his Immortality Type 9 is accepted as combat-applicable and he can just keep hax-ing even if nothing except his mind survives, then it is what it is and this will simply be a stomp in AX's favor.
 
Permanently? Yes.

But you sort of have to prove said Immortality is actually combat applicable. And since Alien X is kinda the god tier...
Eh? We've seen that the mere concept of his existence is ikstantabeus, and we've also seen other CS recreating his entire body after being destroyed by another Celestial.

Is so combat applicable that we've seen it in combat.
 
Btw, what are you guys discussing about? Ben literally will just immobilize him with his freaking 1-B Telekinesis (both in range and power), that's also thought based. Ben's gonna do that while just forcing Kratos and the other Guy to fight each other, something he's done before.

Idk if he'll kill them as there's this Superhero code of not doing such thing, but he definitely stomps this.
 
1-B Telekinesis
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Even if he doesn't, this assumes Alien X instantly opens with something he's never used as opposed to Kratos just flexing with the first wide-area magic that comes to mind.
This has been discussed so many times that is actually funny by now.

Alien X isn't just Ben, even if he has full control over him. By the site standards, the three of them want to win this,
And we've seen that the first thing Celestialsapiens do / are known for is EE, they'll just outvote Ben and eliminate him.
 
they'll just outvote Ben and eliminate him.
Just for this specific part: hell nah, Serena and Bellicus couldn't agree on ANYTHING for eternity before Ben came. Them outvoting Ben on something he doesn't want to do is literally the only way how Alien X can NOT win tbh.
 
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