Game-point; Ready...Slap! | Travis Touchdown (No more heroes) vs The Player (Slap Battles) | [7-1-0] (Grace)

[Delusionaltx2]

I'm not saying one shot gloves are. Passive, in saying when he gets wailed in by Travis and being slashed heel switch to something like elude that is passive.

and again...hows he gonna do this in time when the menu takes 1-2 seconds to be used while travis needs at most one second to swing at him...

Skillslop won't change the fact that swinging a sword a small handful of timesbis extremely basic.

It kinda does when we consider the fact that swordsmen, especially in fiction, have different ways they swing that sword and often implement fighting techniques to get ahead of the opponent and capitalize on mistakes

Travis is not an exception to this rule

Hr also has to worry about Bob.

Bob can't be used

And like I said earlier Travis has a very short timeframe to slash so he could maybe get a couple limbs off and that's it.

no limbs to hold the gloves = no gloves

I have never seen him slash someone down the middle in character.

its not even just down the middle its the fact as long as he sees slap is still alive he'll just continue cutting him leading to him cutting him down the middle anyway

 

[Thunderman101]

and again...hows he gonna do this in time when the menu takes 1-2 seconds to be used while travis needs at most one second to swing at him...

It kinda does when we consider the fact that swordsmen, especially in fiction, have different ways they swing that sword and often implement fighting techniques to get ahead of the opponent and capitalize on mistakes

Travis is not an exception to this rule

Bob can't be used



its not even just down the middle its the fact as long as he sees slap is still alive he'll just continue cutting him leading to him cutting him down the middle anyway

So let's assume Travis takes 2 seconds to swing. Heel get like 2 slashes at best before slap equips elude and teleports away. You can't just say Bob can't be used with no explanation lol. And like I said Travis will get maybe 2-3 cuts in at best. You're just regurgitating the same points I've adressed

 

[Thunderman101]

Bump

 

[Thunderman101]

Travis side relies on too many unknown factors.
@DaReaperMan
1.Assuming he would know cutting slap into too many peiced would overtax the regeneration
2.assymjng Travis (who takes at least a second for a slashh). Would someone be able to get dozens of slashes off nessecary to kill slap before the 2-second time frame before slap can easily just switch something like glued of a verse or defensive glove and get out of there

3.there you also just assuming that Travis would go for something right down the middle sladh which he doesn't know would kill slap. By the way, instead of doing some like actual swordsmen do, which is something you bought up by the way with the fighting techniques

4.assumjng Bob is not going to be able to reach Travis in time (I've explained why he would be a likely first pick, and saying Bob can't be used as a counter and not explaning why is bare association fallacy)

5. Assuming slap is just going to stand there, not dodge any of Travis's attacks (with equal speed btw), and let Travis wail on him.

 

[Thunderman101]

As for the whole thing about slap having no battle tatics. I've already shown them to at least have enough common sense to know to use the right objects like situations, like plungers and laps. They can quite literally operate a cloning machine and have been through dozens of battles, even fighting master swordighters (albeit not on the same level of Travis) So I don't see why they wouldn't have enough common sense to use Bob first as it's a non despawning entity that would basically let them use two gloves at once. And then use one of their one shots right after (something like error, even though it won't work in Travis). They should also have enough common sense to inmedealty switch to elude asap when Travis is wailing on them since it's a perfect counter to any physical attack

 

[DaReaperMan]

It's called dodge, time slow, and Slap getting their tender ass quite literally handed to them.

I know your precious baby boy is getting his ass kicked but he ain't all that.

 

[Thunderman101]

I may be getting things wrong about slaps menu switch so you'd have to ask @Arkansalter2

 

[Thunderman101]

It's called dodge, time slow, and Slap getting their tender ass quite literally handed to them

OK so you just ignored most of my other points. Bob fictions completely fine in time manipulation so that won't do anything, and id like to see an example of Travis using timeslow as slap can perceive things just fine in slowed time in their game, they just can't move. Also in the clip you showed me when Travis fought and beheaded that guy he didn't use any of his abilites doo

 

[Thunderman101]

It's called dodge, time slow, and Slap getting their tender ass quite literally handed to them.

I know your precious baby boy is getting his ass kicked but he ain't all that.

Insulting me won't make your argument any better especially since that's what you're doing this whole thread. Besides if we go by you're half baked logic this is a stomp and IIRC we don't add stomps

 

[Thunderman101]

Any other arguments made. I will respond to tomorrow

 

[DaReaperMan]

You really don't like it when someone doesn't actually care about the long extended stamina debate you want, huh? I have the same points, You have the same points, and we won't get anywhere rewording them ten times.

 

[Arkansalter2]

lso in the clip you showed me when Travis fought and beheaded that guy he didn't use any of his abilites doo

John can regen his head and fight without his head so yeah.

 

[AthelChan]

Travis FRA, I Wonder about that player-type CRT is gonna be about to.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Wonder about that player-type CRT is gonna be about to.

The what?

 

[AthelChan]

The what?

check pages 4-5

 

[Thunderman101]

While I don't agree with who's winning, and while I think this a stomp by the other side's description, this is probably gg. I'll write a summary tommorow kn why I think slap wins so I ask any voters who see this to withhold your votes till then, though I doubt it'll change anything

 

[Thunderman101]

And not to be accusatory, but I feel some voters are just fraing the side with more votes instead of reading the argument cause its easier. @AthelChan you are not under any obligation to answer but could I ask why you side with Travis winning this

 

[Arkansalter2]

Wouldn't this just be you and arkans fault for not clarifying that on the profile though?

I'll say something real quick.
Many roblox player profiles (E.G. John EBG, John Slap, John Fart..) don't really have a modus operandi of how they work. They don't really have a "first move." They just kill shit because is just what they do. That's why it's so hard to make a "standard tactics" for them because what else is there to say other than "the player will use spells" or "the player will use this ability for this situation" and that sort of thing.
AI's, NPCs, and etc are easier because they have set thing on what they do. Johns and players? They're operated by some booboothefoo behind the screen so it's impossible to make a standard tactics if they can just do whatever the hell they want, whenever the hell they want.
Most games main goal is for players to fight each-other and collect whateverthef**k currency they have. Because of this, it can be assumed that they'll just "kill" in-character because said games rewards them for it.

 

[Thunderman101]

@Sooshirohl @Jerry59

And not to be accusatory, but I feel some voters are just fraing the side with more votes instead of reading the argument cause its easier. you are not under any obligation to answer but could I ask why you side with Travis winning this. Sorry if I falsely accuse you

 

[Thunderman101]

I'll say something real quick.
Many roblox player profiles (E.G. John EBG, John Slap, John Fart..) don't really have a modus operandi of how they work. They don't really have a "first move." They just kill shit because is just what they do. That's why it's so hard to make a "standard tactics" for them because what else is there to say other than "the player will use spells" or "the player will use this ability for this situation" and that sort of thing.
AI's, NPCs, and etc are easier because they have set thing on what they do. Johns and players? They're operated by some booboothefoo behind the screen so it's impossible to make a standard tactics if they can just do whatever the hell they want, whenever the hell they want.
Most games main goal is for players to fight each-other and collect whateverthef**k currency they have. Because of this, it can be assumed that they'll just "kill" in-character because said games rewards them for it.

Also we can't equiop him like the terrerian because someone can just hoard all the best gloves for one situation . Like I said they've shown basic iq to know what to do for what situation so I don't see why they would not have common sense to use their MOST POWERFUL WEAPONS.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Alright let me lock in.
If slap knows that he has an ability that can kill people from afar or do many other shit (which he should), he will in fact use it over many other gloves because theres literally a separate world that prevents said cheesy gloves from even being able to be used. I doubt he'd be using dumb shit like default or whatever the hell in the match (because why in... D f**k would he do that?). That said, bob is more often than not a first move. Period. I don't know what caused you guys to think that it won't be a first move when it will be.
Now if travis gets close and tries to blitz player down, Elude takes care of that easily because that just KILLS all physical altercation. Period. The only good way that I see travis trying to win over slap is.. well.. him trying to cut him down. It won't work like that. His ranged attacks don't really have the cutting power of his melee attacks.
Now if Slap knows he's getting damaged a **** ton from afar, El Gato takes care of that. Full HP and reflects damage as he's petting the cat.
Now how can Slap kill Travis? A couple of ways but not many.
Bob is an obvious contender (I guess you can throw rob in there)
MEGAROCK is a decent contender. Petrifies people on touch while the rock itself is invulnerable along with himself.
Any others are just not super duper viable despite what Thunderman is saying
Now how can Travis kill Slap after what I said? Honestly, no clue. Slap has busted survivability and ways to just force incon like Megarock, Clock chair, those sort of things.

So I'll play this one safe and vote Inconclusive. Neither can really kill each other before one ends up countering the other... and so on and so forth. Slap can't kill travis because of skill, and Travis can't kill slap because of his survivability and his hax.
Inconclusive. Can't kill each other.

 

[AthelChan]

And not to be accusatory, but I feel some voters are just fraing the side with more votes instead of reading the argument cause its easier. @AthelChan you are not under any obligation to answer but could I ask why you side with Travis winning this

Dude I spent 10 minutes of my life reading this.

Anyway, your win-condition wont work without prior knowledge. Because lets be real here, I read your main argument about having multiple wincons and i do think its valid. But would you think they'd really go for it? over like 200+ gloves? Without your input lets just say thats a guy in front of you, he doesnt seem strong or whatever. Would you summon bob over like anything else?

 

[Thunderman101]

Alright let me lock in.
If slap knows that he has an ability that can kill people from afar or do many other shit (which he should), he will in fact use it over many other gloves because theres literally a separate world that prevents said cheesy gloves from even being able to be used. I doubt he'd be using dumb shit like default or whatever the hell in the match. That said, bob is more often than not a first move. Period. I don't know what caused you guys to think that it won't be a first move when it will be.
Now if travis gets close and tries to blitz player down, Elude takes care of that easily because that just KILLS all physical altercation. Period. The only good way that I see travis trying to win over slap is.. well.. him trying to cut him down. It won't work like that. His ranged attacks don't really have the cutting power of his melee attacks.
Now if Slap knows he's getting damaged a **** ton from afar, El Gato takes care of that. Full HP and reflects damage as he's petting the cat.
Now how can Slap kill Travis? A couple of ways but not many.
Bob is an obvious contender (I guess you can throw rob in there)
MEGAROCK is a decent contender. Petrifies people on touch while the rock itself is invulnerable along with himself.
Any others are just not super duper viable despite what Thunderman is saying
Now how can Travis kill Slap after what I said? Honestly, no clue. Slap has busted survivability and ways to just force incon like Megarock, Clock chair, those sort of things.

So I'll play this one safe and vote Inconclusive. Neither can really kill each other before one ends up countering the other... and so on and so forth. Slap can't kill travis because of skill, and Travis can't kill slap because of his survivability and his hax.
Inconclusive. Can't kill each other.

Switching vote to incon for arkans reasons

 

[Armorchompy]

As I said already Bob isn't actually a wincon. Slap summons him, gets killed and then Travis dodges around the guy for like two weeks or something before he's out of his insane stamina and dies. That's not a win for Slap, it's not even an incon the opponent dying well after the match is concluded in their favor is still a win for them. Hell Travis resurrects anyways, it's not in a combat applicable timeframe but neither is Bob as a guaranteed kill lol. So if you're saying Slap leads with that it's an easy W for Travis. Thunder was asking before if Travis would be able to sense that it can kill him - very probably yes given this kind of ESP has worked in regards to ghosts and similar apparitions but also if it didn't he'd still try to dodge him lol, it's a scary ghost with a shiny aura that's obviously not something you wanna touch. This is all provided it can actually kill him given no movement speed feats meanwhile Travis' got a fast as **** bike ready to go, and the idea that it can track from across the world is a bit NLFy. He could also duck into the videogame world through the Death Drive after the fight is over, that removes his body from the real world. Not that it matters if he can actually survive given it's still a win for him as I said.

Megarock forces an incon at best but realistically can just be waited out. Elude is bypassed by a few select things like TK - it's defensively very potent but it's not like the guy can use his hax while it's up so it's not actually very useful.

 

[Thunderman101]

As I said already Bob isn't actually a wincon. Slap summons him, gets killed and then Travis dodges around the guy for like two weeks or something before he's out of his insane stamina and dies. That's not a win for Slap, it's not even an incon the opponent dying well after the match is concluded in their favor is still a win for them. Hell Travis resurrects anyways, it's not in a combat applicable timeframe but neither is Bob as a guaranteed kill lol. So if you're saying Slap leads with that it's an easy W for Travis. Thunder was asking before if Travis would be able to sense that it can kill him - very probably yes given this kind of ESP has worked in regards to ghosts and similar apparitions but also if it didn't he'd still try to dodge him lol, it's a scary ghost with a shiny aura that's obviously not something you wanna touch. This is all provided it can actually kill him given no movement speed feats meanwhile Travis' got a fast as **** bike ready to go, and the idea that it can track from across the world is a bit NLFy. He could also duck into the videogame world through the Death Drive after the fight is over, that removes his body from the real world. Not that it matters if he can actually survive given it's still a win for him as I said.

Megarock forces an incon at best but realistically can just be waited out. Elude is bypassed by a few select things like TK - it's defensively very potent but it's not like the guy can use his hax while it's up so it's not actually very useful.

Will respond when I have the chance

 

[Thunderman101]

As I said already Bob isn't actually a wincon. Slap summons him, gets killed and then Travis dodges around the guy for like two weeks or something before he's out of his insane stamina and dies. That's not a win for Slap, it's not even an incon the opponent dying well after the match is concluded in their favor is still a win for them. Hell Travis resurrects anyways, it's not in a combat applicable timeframe but neither is Bob as a guaranteed kill lol. So if you're saying Slap leads with that it's an easy W for Travis. Thunder was asking before if Travis would be able to sense that it can kill him - very probably yes given this kind of ESP has worked in regards to ghosts and similar apparitions but also if it didn't he'd still try to dodge him lol, it's a scary ghost with a shiny aura that's obviously not something you wanna touch. This is all provided it can actually kill him given no movement speed feats meanwhile Travis' got a fast as **** bike ready to go, and the idea that it can track from across the world is a bit NLFy. He could also duck into the videogame world through the Death Drive after the fight is over, that removes his body from the real world. Not that it matters if he can actually survive given it's still a win for him as I said.

Megarock forces an incon at best but realistically can just be waited out. Elude is bypassed by a few select things like TK - it's defensively very potent but it's not like the guy can use his hax while it's up so it's not actually very useful.

ok i feel like i didnt represent my point about bob. Im arguing that bob is stilll a wincon and not for the reasons you think, from the clips you showed travisis strategy is to bum rush, so not only would he have to rush to slap and slash him dozens of times to put him down, but it takes slap approx 2 seconds to equip elude to teleport out of there. I have also never seen any clips of traivs using his tk or time slow (travis not the player), in character as form what you showed me he mostly preffers his beam sword). My main argument is that slap would likley try to hit travis into bob when he realizes travis wont touch bob hes probably gonna have to get him to stop moving. I also just noticed i cant find a resistance to time manipulation on his profile

I picture it like this

1.Slap spawns bob
2.Travis blitzes slap and attemps to kill him, getting dozens of slashes in
3.slap equips elude in 2 seconds and tps away
4.Travis tries to blitz him again, thinking it was just a one time teleport
5.Slap teleports away again, with elude (his limbs should be healed by then)
6.Slap realizes travis wont touch bob and he has to stun him (dont even say hes gonna get close when he knows hes gonna die if he does)
7.I honestly dont know what travis would do next, but i doubt he would try again so he would probably use ranged weapons
8. Slap uses gods hand to stop time and stun him, bob then kills and absorbs the frozen travis

 

[Thunderman101]

ok i feel like i didnt represent my point about bob. Im arguing that bob is stilll a wincon and not for the reasons you think, from the clips you showed travisis strategy is to bum rush, so not only would he have to rush to slap and slash him dozens of times to put him down, but it takes slap approx 2 seconds to equip elude to teleport out of there. I have also never seen any clips of traivs using his tk or time slow (travis not the player), in character as form what you showed me he mostly preffers his beam sword). My main argument is that slap would likley try to hit travis into bob when he realizes travis wont touch bob hes probably gonna have to get him to stop moving. I also just noticed i cant find a resistance to time manipulation on his profile

I picture it like this

1.Slap spawns bob
2.Travis blitzes slap and attemps to kill him, getting dozens of slashes in
3.slap equips elude in 2 seconds and tps away
4.Travis tries to blitz him again, thinking it was just a one time teleport
5.Slap teleports away again, with elude (his limbs should be healed by then)
6.Slap realizes travis wont touch bob and he has to stun him (dont even say hes gonna get close when he knows hes gonna die if he does)
7.I honestly dont know what travis would do next, but i doubt he would try again so he would probably use ranged weapons
8. Slap uses gods hand to stop time and stun him, bob then kills and absorbs the frozen travis

Also slap could just......well. I feel like slap is being heavily underestimated, while his skill is cetainly not on the level of traavis he should at leas tbe able to fight back, hes fought similar foes to travis, such as geniuses who can make cloning machines, master swordman and someone with all the knowledge of a timeless being

 

[Delusionaltx2]

So let's assume Travis takes 2 seconds to swing. Heel get like 2 slashes at best before slap equips elude and teleports away.

He isnt gonna take two seconds to swing...he's gonna take a moment

You can't just say Bob can't be used with no explanation lol.

He literally dies before he gets the chance to summon bob

And like I said Travis will get maybe 2-3 cuts in at best.

Thats enough to where slap dosen't have limbs anymore...

You're just regurgitating the same points I've adressed

You haven't addressed anything here though

 

[Naito-desu]

Voting Travis FRA

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Voting Travis FRA

we've hit grace

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I'll say something real quick.
Many roblox player profiles (E.G. John EBG, John Slap, John Fart..) don't really have a modus operandi of how they work. They don't really have a "first move." They just kill shit because is just what they do. That's why it's so hard to make a "standard tactics" for them because what else is there to say other than "the player will use spells" or "the player will use this ability for this situation" and that sort of thing.
AI's, NPCs, and etc are easier because they have set thing on what they do. Johns and players? They're operated by some booboothefoo behind the screen so it's impossible to make a standard tactics if they can just do whatever the hell they want, whenever the hell they want.
Most games main goal is for players to fight each-other and collect whateverthef**k currency they have. Because of this, it can be assumed that they'll just "kill" in-character because said games rewards them for it.

Players still have preferences as to what they think is the most efficient to use against the average enemy and things like that, EBG has stuns for example

I'll prob explain in more depth once I make the CRT

 

[Armorchompy]

BTW I don't know if this was for the strongest characters thread since I typically steer clear of that kind of thing but I just wanted to say Travis isn't the strongest 7-C in the verse. That's probably Kamui with his passive cognitohazard madness/death/other stuff and abstract existence. Profile probably deserves some work admittedly

 

[Delusionaltx2]

BTW I don't know if this was for the strongest characters thread since I typically steer clear of that kind of thing but I just wanted to say Travis isn't the strongest 7-C in the verse. That's probably Kamui with his passive cognitohazard madness/death/other stuff and abstract existence. Profile probably deserves some work admittedly

It was, slap has a ton of hax so its extremely difficult to match him up against the average 7-C without nerfing him

also yea that guy looks broken (he should prob be like top 6-5 IMO)

 

[Armorchompy]

It was, slap has a ton of hax so its extremely difficult to match him up against the average 7-C without nerfing him

also yea that guy looks broken (he should prob be like top 6-5 IMO)

Prolly. I've got a few characters that'd presumably get somewhere in these rankings but eh it's work I don't wanna do

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Prolly. I've got a few characters that'd presumably get somewhere in these rankings but eh it's work I don't wanna do

I mean strongest is smth there just for fun anyway

 

[Thunderman101]

He isnt gonna take two seconds to swing...he's gonna take a moment

He literally dies before he gets the chance to summon bob

Thats enough to where slap dosen't have limbs anymore...

You haven't addressed anything here though

I am getting tired of repeating myself. Lets assume travis takes one moment to swing, and he swings enough to where slap dosent have limsb anymore, by the time hes taken his moments to swing slaps already used elude and escaped. Ive explained why hed use bob at the begining of the fight and i explained that slap dosent actually need to hold the glove to use it, just have it equiped. Besidess if we go by your half baked logic then this is a stomp and cant be added, my points have continously been strawmanned and ignored and im honestly done with this thread, enjoy your win i guess lmao

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I am getting tired of repeating myself. Lets assume travis takes one moment to swing, and he swings enough to where slap dosent have limsb anymore, by the time hes taken his moments to swing slaps already used elude and escaped.

You just said it takes like 1-2 seconds for them to switch gloves, the timeframe would be too short for him to escape

Ive explained why hed use bob at the begining of the fight and i explained that slap dosent actually need to hold the glove to use it, just have it equiped.

You didn't really but even if we assume you did armour already explained how BOB dosen't actually win them anything

Besidess if we go by your half baked logic then this is a stomp and cant be added, my points have continously been strawmanned and ignored and im honestly done with this thread, enjoy your win i guess lmao

Don't you think its too late to argue "stomp!" when its 6 pages and 7 people already voted?

Honestly I came into this wanting slap to win but its whatevs ig

 

[Thunderman101]

You just said it takes like 1-2 seconds for them to switch gloves, the timeframe would be too short for him to escape

You didn't really but even if we assume you did armour already explained how BOB dosen't actually win them anything

Don't you think its too late to argue "stomp!" when its 6 pages and 7 people already voted?

i argued stomp a whole day ago, try again. I already explained that the player could use his stuns in tandem with something like gods hand timestop (which the other side said wouldnt work on travis, so that was a ******* lie), in order to help bob in combat. SLap is not going to let bob do all the work nor is he going to let travis just run away from bob. How is travis going to get dozens of slashes in tpo kill slap which would take just a couple seconds max while slap needs quite literally one moment to equip and escape. You cannot simply say insert person debunked in when ive quite literally provided rebuttals to why bob would actually be a major winning factor. However my points have been ignored while people hop on the bandwagon of the side with more votes, I also noticed how you completley ignored arkans vote to incon and my vote switch to incon yet immedetly added all the votes in favor of travis...

 

[Armorchompy]

timestop (which the other side said wouldnt work on travis, so that was a ******* lie)

Resistance to [...], Time Manipulation (Can move normally in Yojohan where time moves backwards[37])

Word to the wise if you're trying to argue it's a stomp you should probably not also be arguing it's a win at the same time

 

[Delusionaltx2]

i argued stomp 2 pages ago, try again.

can you quote where?

I already explained that the player could use his stuns in tandem with something like gods hand timestop (which the other side said wouldnt work on travis, so that was a ******* lie),

majority of stuns don't really work against him though

in order to help bob in combat. SLap is not going to let bob do all the work nor is he going to let travis just run away from bob.

travis is gonna aggro slap while outrunning bob...

How is travis going to get dozens of slashes in tpo kill slap which would take just a couple seconds max while slap needs quite literally one moment to equip and escape

because of the massive skill difference and time dialation slap can't really do anything about it ig