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Super Mario General Discussion Thread.
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ZespeonGalaxy
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If I see another "b-but sonic gets away with having this feat but mario doesnt" I am downgrading the verse to tier 10 mwahahahahahhahahahahhaah 
Also, I apologize on behalf of for snarky remarks recently made not by me. But I feel that I have to speak up cause I care about the verse. I never appreciated it when light jabs were made at anyone that opposed upgrades. This should not represent the verse in any capacity. And I hope the reputation of the verse is clean, respectful, and civil. And not a smug hehe f you mod kinda beat.
Also, I apologize on behalf of for snarky remarks recently made not by me. But I feel that I have to speak up cause I care about the verse. I never appreciated it when light jabs were made at anyone that opposed upgrades. This should not represent the verse in any capacity. And I hope the reputation of the verse is clean, respectful, and civil. And not a smug hehe f you mod kinda beat.
Accelerated_Evolution
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People still caring about the Mario Vs Sonic dispute after 35 years is insane, lol
Its pretty annoying to see people who clearly didn't check the OG thread to quickly assume that the verse is severely downplayed, staff hate it and blahblahblah
Honestly, you can have any opinion you want regarding the Verse's ratings, the important part is to mantain the community a safe and non-toxic environment. Its very mature of your part to assume the mistakes you committed, btw
I think i've been one of the few non-staff members that actually defende the downgrade or, at least, its original proposal
Its pretty annoying to see people who clearly didn't check the OG thread to quickly assume that the verse is severely downplayed, staff hate it and blahblahblah
Honestly, you can have any opinion you want regarding the Verse's ratings, the important part is to mantain the community a safe and non-toxic environment. Its very mature of your part to assume the mistakes you committed, btw
ZespeonGalaxy
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Anyways Galaxy Movie, looks fun but man, is anyone else concerned with the amount of clutter..? The first film suffered from pacing if not mostly being references than story driven (Again the mainline titles were never even story driven but for a movie there isn't an excuse for a feature length film of all things) Was hoping to see Wario but whatevs, cool to see Mouser show up after 30 something years.
Galactidot
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By the way can we talk about this
Dust_Collector
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Yeah that is a pretty shoddy looking door, Bowser should really look into replacing it with a more secure one it's no wonder Mario can easily wander through his castle.
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Ghengiroo115
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Tbf it seems most of what we’ve seen so far is all intro stuff from before Bowser Jr. attacks the castle. I am a bit worried about the baby bros plotline though.
Accelerated_Evolution
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Galactidot
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All Paper Jam did was establish a parallel universe.Paper Jam
Read this:
Explanation on why every Paper Mario game is canon
This argument has started ever since Paper Jam has been revealed, and it is still used to this day and this blog is made to prove why the Mario from the entirety of the Paper Mario series is the same Mario we all know from the mainline series games. This will be using severely different reliable...
purah-fan-club.fandom.com
(Also, Origami King states Mario to have blue eyes)
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Paper Mario got separated from normal mario like 2 years ago, lolAll Paper Jam did was establish a parallel universe.
Read this:
Explanation on why every Paper Mario game is canon
This argument has started ever since Paper Jam has been revealed, and it is still used to this day and this blog is made to prove why the Mario from the entirety of the Paper Mario series is the same Mario we all know from the mainline series games. This will be using severely different reliable...
(Also, Origami King states Mario to have blue eyes)
Galactidot
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Where? Did you read what I just sent?
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Galactidot
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This whole article?
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Yeah
Dust_Collector
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I gotta wonder if those cosmic level Mario feats are accepted as actually being universal or whatever how do the supporters of those tiers plan on making them applicable for scaling to the base cast, for every cosmic feat in the franchise there's another 20 instances of Bowser being defeated by falling down a building or Mario being unable to break boulders without a hammer, gotta be one of the craziest uphill battles I've ever seen 
Ghengiroo115
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Tbf the cast are currently scaling to only two High 6-A feats, and I think at one point we only had two 6-C feats as well. If there were like 5+ valid universal feats I feel it’d be fair to scale the cast to them.I gotta wonder if those cosmic level Mario feats are accepted as actually being universal or whatever how do the supporters of those tiers plan on making them applicable for scaling to the base cast, for every cosmic feat in the franchise there's another 20 instances of Bowser being defeated by falling down a building or Mario being unable to break boulders without a hammer, gotta be one of the craziest uphill battles I've ever seen
Ghengiroo115
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Tangentially related, but I’ve just been thinking about how weird the SMG ending is. Like Mario beats Bowser, saves Peach and flies off with her and the Grand Star. Then out of nowhere some random mini-planet explodes and consumes the whole universe (or just galaxy? Idek anymore).
I’ve always just seen it as Grand Star shenanigans, but a few minutes ago I realised it wasn’t even the final boss area that exploded or anything like that. It’s a random sphere to the far left of the start of the level, miles away from the boss area. Why does this random mini-planet start destabilising, and why is it capable of wiping out even a galaxy, let alone potentially a universe?
Am I missing something? Or am I just taking the funny wahoo man’s games too seriously again?
I’ve always just seen it as Grand Star shenanigans, but a few minutes ago I realised it wasn’t even the final boss area that exploded or anything like that. It’s a random sphere to the far left of the start of the level, miles away from the boss area. Why does this random mini-planet start destabilising, and why is it capable of wiping out even a galaxy, let alone potentially a universe?
Am I missing something? Or am I just taking the funny wahoo man’s games too seriously again?
Dust_Collector
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Been a while since I personally really looked into it, but iirc the entire section of Bowser's galaxy including that planetoid was the main part of his galaxy reactor and without the Grand Star keeping it stable it went haywire and collapsed in on itself. How the explosion generated a black hole that was made was gonna potentially destroy the entire universe I have no idea, think Nintendo didn't think about the how of it all and just focused on having this cosmic event being triggered so they could have the ending revolve around the cycle of the cosmos / life and death.
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Back then it was like, two 6-C feats but also a handful throughout tier 7, including some high enough to be support (and now Bananza's given us even more). I disagreed with high 6-A cause it was such a big leap and nothing really backed it up but I got outvoted.
Dust_Collector
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Did some shoddy pixel scaling and tried my hand at ang sizing for the first time to try and find out how fast raphael the raven flew to get to the small ass moon for his boss fight, got 297 m/s but I'm sure someone actually good at this could get a more accurate result (Shame the moon is so small and close to the planet in this fight lol, but still a decent showing of speed)
Also played Mario Pinball Land for the first time, it was pretty bad but the boss fights were kinda alright I guess. Also one of the snow level songs kinda slapped more than it had any right too.
Also played Mario Pinball Land for the first time, it was pretty bad but the boss fights were kinda alright I guess. Also one of the snow level songs kinda slapped more than it had any right too.
ZespeonGalaxy
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Bowser in his wonder form can detect invisible characters. Any other neat abilities spotted recently? Been wanting to make another p&a crt.
Ghengiroo115
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Random question, but is there anything in SPM that shows characters scaling to a non-Chaos Heart Count Bleck? I know he one-shots Mario at the beginning, but as I haven’t played the game I’m wondering if there’s anything that suggests them growing stronger up to his level by the end. Would be very unlikely since Count Bleck is amped by the Chaos Heart for basically the whole game, but still.
I’m asking because of the whole “he destroyed his world with the Dark Prognosticus” thing, which might be a universal feat.
I’m asking because of the whole “he destroyed his world with the Dark Prognosticus” thing, which might be a universal feat.
Dust_Collector
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A few of the tennis aces characters, namely Mario, Daisy, Peach, and I think Toad(?) have nothing to fear from Lucien since their wills are too strong for him to take advantage of (Poor Luigi getting shafted yet again, as is his lot in life). Bowser already has resistance to Luciens possession / mind control (I have no idea which we count it as since he's got both on his profile) so this would grant him and the above supernatural willpower since they're resisting mind or possession hax through willpower (And you know, resistance to said abilities)
I listed some powers the Dark Star / Dark Bowser don't have on their profile a few months back since AStrangeverse was working on a rework for the page, dunno how far they are with it but I'll repost what I found anyway.
The reactive evolution stuff also shows off Bowser having a unconvential form of pain manipulation, anyone trying to absorb his dna suffers such great pain it paralyses them. He's simply built wrong.
Wart's got some cool stuff too, the manual for SMB2 states that Wart gave life to Fryguy (Advance manual says same thing, unsure how we treat the JP manual since while the game was developed / reskinned from DDP in japan they didn't write up a manual until like 1992, but it also says the same). The GBA remake shows that he did so by using his bubbles on Fryguys mask, he uses those same bubbles to turn a normal Sidestepper into Clawgrip. Whether they're the same bubbles he spits out (The apperances are slightly different) or if they're from the dream machine he used to create other monsters or not I'm not sure, but either way he'd have it listed on his profile as an innate ability or with equipment / prep.
Dust_Collector
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I don't think there is, like you said he's amped the entire game and afaik we're never told how anyone compares to him before he used the Chaos Heart.
Ghengiroo115
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Asking here so not to clutter that thread, but I’m assuming the whole “being rusty/growing stronger” thing would apply to more than just the RPGs, right? Like if a game has some kind of overarching journey it would apply (e.g games like 3D Land or Tropical Freeze)? Or would it just be when specifically mentioned?
Dust_Collector
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I'd personally leave it with when it's specifically mentioned and / or shown they get stronger throughout the game, which does apply to some games outside of the RPG's (Tennis Aces is a notable example) but some games like SMG2 actually make a point of saying how Mario get's more damaged every time he fight's Bowser in that game specifically because Bowser's the one getting stronger from learning how to use the Grand Star over the course of the game, Mario doesn't even get hinted at getting stronger to keep up it's just noted that Bowser's getting tougher to beat.
Accelerated_Evolution
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Wait hold up can I see a scan for that
I'd say only games with growth mechanics (that being the RPGs and I guess Bananza's skill tree, maybe smt else I'm forgetting). Cause realistically Mario's always doing shit so the "gets weaker due to inaction" wouldn't ever happen if that was enough
Galactidot
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Armor the thread has been updated
Post in thread 'Better Call Solitude (Mario and Luigi Brothership 2nd CRT (3-A, 2-C, or 2-B))' https://vsbattles.com/threads/bette...ip-2nd-crt-3-a-2-c-or-2-b.185181/post-7517676
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stop pestering me, i saw
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He came, he saw, he said "**** that noise"!
Galactidot
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Son.
(No like I expected that you SAW it's just we haven't discussed that portion yet, I wouldn't consider that "pestering", especially given that you never gave me any indication of your thoughts, should I just chalk you down as "neutral" in that case?)
Dust_Collector
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Here there are. I did misremember a bit, they don't specifically mention he's learning how to use the Grand Star more but he's not using any other source outside of Grand Stars to amp himself up so.
I personally find it very funny how Grand Star Bowser, who is apparently 4-A/3-C, canonically hits but cannot one shot a base High 6-A Mario and is also getting stronger every fight meaning he's got no reason to scale to the full 3-C output of the Grand Star even as a possibly but I'm not gonna say much more than that for the moment 'lest #they come for me...
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But Mario is amped by uh... starbites...!Here there are. I did misremember a bit, they don't specifically mention he's learning how to use the Grand Star more but he's not using any other source outside of Grand Stars to amp himself up so.
Very funny how Grand Star Bowser, who is apparently 4-A/3-C canonically hits but cannot one shot a base High 6-A Mario but I'm not gonna say much more than that for the moment 'lest #they come for me...
Please ignore that they're on opposite ends of the growth cycle and thus makes no sense for them to be at all comparable to eachother.
Galactidot
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Elf? I'm afraid you're mistaken. I have collected all three Gigantes pieces, and I tower above you.
Now you all have to face me as a raid boss. Good luck!
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As a wise man once said: it is not hard to solo a Raid Boss if you have the proper equipment!Elf? I'm afraid you're mistaken. I have collected all three Gigantes pieces, and I tower above you.
Now you all have to face me as a raid boss. Good luck!
Or if you just steal the other guy's everything.
Dust_Collector
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THEY'RE
CALLED
STARBITS
Make another mistake like this again and I will issue you a strongly worded email.
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