Jujutsu Kaisen: Mechamaru's Terrible Feat

[Rodriiogo]

The whole point isn't that it's 1 sec of just the mech's movements, it's 1 second of CE he produced throughout his life.

How much cursed energy does he produce every second? I doubt it's that damn high

I still don't get this cause the "activity limit" text is right there, why would it say that if it's refeering to just a extra reserve for attacks, he would still be active without those years if that was the case why is those years his "activity limit"?

 

[KingTempest]

I still don't get this cause the "activity limit" text is right there, why would it say that if it's refeering to just a extra reserve for attacks, he would still be active without those years if that was the case why is those years his "activity limit"?

Activity limit doesn't mean the length of time that a machine can make active motions, it means the amount of time that a machine has before it turns off, and the more things you do, the more energy you burn.

It's like a car that has 10 gallons of gas. You could stretch those 12 gallons for 6 hours, so 2 gph, but that's just how much the car burns while it's on. When you turn on the AC, 12 gallons for 5.5 hours. Now you start driving, 5 hours. You drive faster. 3. Now you're burning 12 gallons in 3 hours, or 4 gph.

These actions take up more energy. The machine loses energy just by being on. It doesn't mean that each action you make a second is a second of it's remaining time. That's how the machine works.

 

[Arkenis]

I do agree that the human walking is actually a low end and it should be much higher since the activity limit is taking into acount the energy he spends while fighting, but I'm not sure the wiki would allow anything other than the bare minimum in this case. Pretty sure that's why the suggestion from TheRustyOne was for walking to be used. (PS: Wouldn't using mechamaru's output also be calc-stacking)


It also says it charges itself with the energy of the years aswell. This wouldn't be talking about the charges;

Question: Which translation is even more reliable? Cause the translations from what most of the thread used was this:

Which straight up says the puppet operates on said years energy


That is because this text is being used to explain how his charges works not the mecha itself tbf

I went to check the raw, and this one here probably works better?
The kanjis we see is operate or "to operate" like it says (稼働する, far left) and can be used for machines, not mobilize. So gives some credence that the energy is overall used for it being on and moving.

My calc is outdated (wood does not have a vape value of 25700 J/cc) and hasn't been re-evaluated, it can't be used. Ultra Cannon is also a high-output attack and not standard operation for Mechamaru.

Pretty sure this was brought up before, I think you're getting the ultra cannon and ultimate mixed up, Ultimate's the high out, Ultra wasn't stated as high output and he even says it's power is useless against Panda.

The whole point isn't that it's 1 sec of just the mech's movements, it's 1 second of CE he produced throughout his life.

How much cursed energy does he produce every second? I doubt it's that damn high

We'd have no clue since we don't know how much it takes to even operate Mechmaru but we do know its a lot. Panda says he's gotta be close due to the output, and Muta just outright says he can exceed the limits of his output. There's enough to suggest every second Muta could dish out high output, and I don't think it's unreasonable to say that output could be relative to what we know first grades generally can do.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Activity limit doesn't mean the length of time that a machine can make active motions, it means the amount of time that a machine has before it turns off, and the more things you do, the more energy you burn.

It's like a car that has 10 gallons of gas. You could stretch those 12 gallons for 6 hours, so 2 gph, but that's just how much the car burns while it's on. When you turn on the AC, 12 gallons for 5.5 hours. Now you start driving, 5 hours. You drive faster. 3. Now you're burning 12 gallons in 3 hours, or 4 gph.

These actions take up more energy. The machine loses energy just by being on. It doesn't mean that each action you make a second is a second of it's remaining time. That's how the machine works.

Yea I agree, but the thing is, as I explained, just like any battery/energy count that works on time, a phone, for example, when it estimates how much "battery time" remains, it doesn’t assume the phone is doing nothing, it factors in Screen-On Time and app usage, which makes the time change depending on what you are doing.

For a more precise example, Mechamaru’s function is closer to an electric car. While an electric car does lose battery while idling, the “battery time/km remaining” estimate is based on it's active use, aka driving. The same logic applies here: Mechamaru’s time would be calculated based on the activity it is designed to perform, combat, or at the very least its regular functions, like walking. Immediately after awakening, Kokichi is using Mechamaru to fight, it's first move is literally destroying the ground and emerge from the river. If the “17 years” number was only about how much energy it had left when it's idle or anything lower than it's combat/movement functions, then the moment combat began, that number should have dropped due to the massive increase in energy consumption, but it doesn’t and the activity time left remains the same, meaning that while literally fighting Mahito, Mechamaru's tracking activity time device doesn't detect any extreme amount of energy consuption that would drop it's activity time.

Walking is actually an extreme low end because of that, it's used as the baseline / minimal functional usage.

This would also make the point of "Kokichi might be the one moving the robot" Irrelevant eitherway since, even if true, it'd mean he's giving energy equivalent to what mechamaru is wasting per second while fighting as the activity time remains equal in the device's calculations. So regardless those 17 years would indeed be at least walk energy (robot's KE) times 17 years in seconds.

 

[SunDaGamer]

I've taken a look at the raw scans and here's my takeaway

Spoiler

「本体が天与呪じゅりょくばく縛で縛られていた年月を」
“the years during which the main body was bound by a Heavenly Restriction”
「呪力としてチャージし、」
“are charged as cursed energy,"
「これを燃料に、特大出力で稼働する。」
“using this as fuel, it operates at extra-large output.”
「←チャージする年月が多ければ多いほど、出力は増大する。」
“← The greater the number of years charged, the more the output increases.” (note that the arrow is pointing to this image, giving us an example of what Mechamaru charging means)

The Cursed Energy is charged ahead of time before usage:
「チャージし」 "charge" here is the loanword "Chāji shi" which in Japanese writing strongly implies pre-storage like charging up a capacitor. It does not describe real-time expenditure during normal function.
「これを燃料に」 “Using this as fuel,” 「これ」 refers back to the already charged cursed energy. Grammatically, the charging happens before operation. The order is

1. 「チャージし」 "charge it"
2. 「これを燃料に」 "using that as fuel"
3. 「稼働する」 "it operates"

If this was describing continuous usage, there'd be wording like:
「消費しながら」 "while consuming"
「常時使用する」 "in constant use"

They enable extreme output, not basic operation:
「特大出力で稼働する。」
「特大」 "exceptionally large/oversized/extra big"
「出力」 "output"
「稼働する」 "operate"
This phrasing distinguishes between a machine's general state of running and its ability to perform at a supercharged level, it's highlighting that the stored energy is used for "extra-large output" (which is the only mode of operation explicitly described here) rather than saying it's the prerequisite for any movement at all. If they wanted to stress that the stored years were required for all operation, the text would say something like「呪力を燃料に稼働する」 ("it operates using cursed energy as fuel")

Nothing in the excerpt states that normal puppet movement requires the stored years or that all operation consumes that resource.

 

[Rodriiogo]

I've taken a look at the raw scans and here's my takeaway

Spoiler

「本体が天与呪じゅりょくばく縛で縛られていた年月を」
“the years during which the main body was bound by a Heavenly Restriction”
「呪力としてチャージし、」
“are charged as cursed energy,"
「これを燃料に、特大出力で稼働する。」
“using this as fuel, it operates at extra-large output.”
「←チャージする年月が多ければ多いほど、出力は増大する。」
“← The greater the number of years charged, the more the output increases.”

The Cursed Energy is charged ahead of time before usage:
「チャージし」 "charge" here is the loanword "Chāji shi" which in Japanese writing strongly implies pre-storage like charging up a capacitor. It does not describe real-time expenditure during normal function.
「これを燃料に」 “Using this as fuel,” 「これ」 refers back to the already charged cursed energy. Grammatically, the charging happens before operation. The order is

1. 「チャージし」 "charge it"
2. 「これを燃料に」 "using that as fuel"
3. 「稼働する」 "it operates"

If this was describing continuous usage, there'd be wording like:
「消費しながら」 "while consuming"
「常時使用する」 "in constant use"

They enable extreme output, not basic operation:
「特大出力で稼働する。」
「特大」 "exceptionally large/oversized/extra big"
「出力」 "output"
「稼働する」 "operate"
This phrasing distinguishes between a machine's general state of running and its ability to perform at a supercharged level, it's highlighting that the stored energy is used for "extra-large output" (which is the only mode of operation explicitly described here) rather than saying it's the prerequisite for any movement at all. If they wanted to stress that the stored years were required for all operation, the text would say something like「呪力を燃料に稼働する」 ("it operates using cursed energy as fuel")

Nothing in the excerpt states that normal puppet movement requires the stored years or that all operation consumes that resource.

Isnt the last part "the greater the number of years (...)" a completely different part of the text that refers to the year charges (bottom right of the image)? Idt its right to mix both together, especially when the image being used is the one year charge so theres no way the extra large output is the "1 year charge" but then the example to it increasing even higher with charges.. is the 1 year charge? That could be me misreading tho.

I do think the extra large output is just the robot itself being way stronger than his regular robots. Now, granted Mahito was holding back, ALOT, but Mahito with casual holding back punches could already demolish multiple ultimate mechamarus with singular swings. Mode Absolute could withstand this holding back punch from Mahito, which, yea might not be impressive in the grand scheme of things but still proves mode absolute is way beyond his regular robots

 

[SunDaGamer]

Isnt the last part "the greater the number of years (...)" a completely different part of the text that refers to the year charges (bottom right of the image)?

Those two parts of the text are linked together

「本体が天与呪じゅりょくばく縛で縛られていた年月を」
“the years during which the main body was bound by a Heavenly Restriction”
「呪力としてチャージし、」
“are charged as cursed energy,"
「これを燃料に、特大出力で稼働する。」
“using this as fuel, it operates at extra-large output.”
「←チャージする年月が多ければ多いほど、出力は増大する。」
“← The greater the number of years charged, the more the output increases.”

The Cursed Energy is charged ahead of time before usage:

especially when the image being used is even the one year charge so theres no way the extra large output is the "1 year charge"

The one year charge would still be much higher output than whatever the machine's regular functions would be.

but then the example to it increasing even higher with charges.. is the 1 year charge?

Not sure how that's relevant, that's just an scan they used to demonstrate Mechamaru being charged up and depleting the store.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

I didn't say it needs to be from your body. I said it needs to be IN your body.
Your entire message didn't tackle a crumb of my point.

Me: To use a CT, CE needs to enter your brain
You: it doesn't say it needs to be from your body
Me: IT NEEDS TO GO IN YOUR BODY
You: But it doesn't say it needs to be from your body

You aren't even reading what the heck is being stated

Okay so why note external energy tho?
But the examples still applies whether it needs to go in your Body

Tsurugi cannot manipulate his CE
So he moves the CE in his cursed tool and run it through his brain to create simple domain

While mechamaru uses the CE of the robot to use Ultra Cannon a technique of puppet manipulation

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

How is the thread going so far, King?

 

[KingTempest]

How is the thread going so far, King?

Deep frying plastic

 

[SunDaGamer]

Tsurugi cannot manipulate his CE
So he moves the CE in his cursed tool and run it through his brain to create simple domain

are we being fr now.

An Innate Cursed Technique and a Non-Innate Cursed Technique are two different things. Kokichi's Puppet Manipulation Technique is the former and Simple Domain is the latter.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

are we being fr now.

An Innate Cursed Technique and a Non-Innate Cursed Technique are two different things. Kokichi's Puppet Manipulation Technique is the former and Simple Domain is the latter.

Both are engraved in the brain that's why I'm using it as an example

But even if it wasn't I also used Ultra Cannon as an example as well

 

[Rodriiogo]

Those two parts of the text are linked together

What I'm saying is:
与幸吉が奥の手として使った傀儡は、本体が乗り込む超巨大装甲傀儡。本体が天与呪縛で縛られていた年月を呪力としてチャージし、これを燃料に、特大出力で稼働する。
"The puppet that Kokichi Muta uses as a trump card is a giant armored puppet that the user boards. It charges the years his body was bound by a Heavenly Restriction as cursed energy and operates with massive output, using this as fuel."
is this part:

This is talking about how the mech functions, not the year charges, as that would be:

←チャージする年月が多ければ多いほど、出力は増大する。有限エネルギーというリスクはあるが、その分威力は絶大。
← The more years and months charged, the greater the output increases. It carries the risk of being finite energy, but in exchange, its power is immense.
Which is this part:

They are indeed not linked together, each of the phrases is in a completely different paragraph, one explaining how the mech functions, the other explaining the year charges. The whole reason the year charges are dangerous is because if he runs out of it the robot will literally just fall, that's why it's a sacrifice to use them.

The one year charge would still be much higher output than whatever the machine's regular functions would be.

I mean, yea? It's the energy the machine functions times the seconds in a year.

Not sure how that's relevant, that's just an scan they used to demonstrate Mechamaru being charged up and depleting the store.

I'm saying the "it operates using cursed energy as fuel" is talking about how the Mech functions, while "The greater the number of years charged, the more the output increases" is talking about it's year charges so mixing them together to get the conclusion that the years only charge the year charges attacks and not the mech is mixing two things that are not connected and just a leap in logic overall. The reason the "←" is there is because it's strictly talking about something related to the image in that pargraph while the rest wasn't. The entire fanbook explaining technqiues does this (example with Mahito's Idle Transfiguration).

Not like it matters since what I just explained would mean the calculation is right regardless because of what I said about how energy/battery indicators per time work, even if Kokichi was the one making it function at that time.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

"Non-Innate Cursed Technique"
"Simple Domain"
Simple Domain is NOT a cursed technique

It is a cursed technique

 

[Mommyleona]

It is a cursed technique

Oh right i just think of it as a "barrier technique", mb

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Even SD and barrier techniques are classified as cursed technique ye. Innate CT, barrier, SD all fall under "Cursed Technique".

What's being argued here anyways? Genuinely confused and trying to make sense of things here. Could somebody pls explain it to me? Especially both sides argument.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Even SD and barrier techniques are classified as cursed technique ye. Innate CT, barrier, SD all fall under "Cursed Technique".

What's being argued here anyways? Genuinely confused and trying to make sense of things here. Could somebody pls explain it to me? Especially both sides argument.

Tempest is arguing that Koichi controls mechamaru using CE from his own body instead of the CE from his Body

While the techniques that are part of puppet manipulation are from the robot CE

 

[Da3ggman]

I'm afraid I gotta agree with King here; the current calc relies on too many assumptions to really be usable. Could it be true? Yeah, sure, but without any definitive proof, we're basically guessing in order to squeak out a Tier 7 rating.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Tempest is arguing that Koichi controls mechamaru using CE from his own body instead of the CE from his Body

I'm ngl could you rephrase that? From his own body and "from his body"?
Also what difference do these make if it's this?

While the techniques that are part of puppet manipulation are from the robot CE

Who is arguing this precisely? And gotta ask again, what difference does it make

 

[Rodriiogo]

I'm afraid I gotta agree with King here; the current calc relies on too many assumptions to really be usable. Could it be true? Yeah, sure, but without any definitive proof, we're basically guessing in order to squeak out a Tier 7 rating.

What assumption is it making, it's taking the lowest interpretation

 

[KingTempest]

What assumption is it making, it's taking the lowest interpretation

Saying the machine's energy per second used to walk is not the lowest interpretation whatsoever. It's a far higher one than you think

 

[Rodriiogo]

Saying the machine's energy per second used to walk is not the lowest interpretation whatsoever. It's a far higher one than you think

I already explained why it would be the lowest due to how energy/battery time detectors work. At worst the energy to crack the floor that he did while awakening would be the "1 second" of energy because of what I explained on it detecting what the machine/device is doing.

 

[KingTempest]

Yea I agree, but the thing is, as I explained, just like any battery/energy count that works on time, a phone, for example, when it estimates how much "battery time" remains, it doesn’t assume the phone is doing nothing, it factors in Screen-On Time and app usage, which makes the time change depending on what you are doing.

For a more precise example, Mechamaru’s function is closer to an electric car. While an electric car does lose battery while idling, the “battery time/km remaining” estimate is based on it's active use, aka driving. The same logic applies here: Mechamaru’s time would be calculated based on the activity it is designed to perform, combat, or at the very least its regular functions, like walking. Immediately after awakening, Kokichi is using Mechamaru to fight, it's first move is literally destroying the ground and emerge from the river. If the “17 years” number was only about how much energy it had left when it's idle or anything lower than it's combat/movement functions, then the moment combat began, that number should have dropped due to the massive increase in energy consumption, but it doesn’t and the activity time left remains the same, meaning that while literally fighting Mahito, Mechamaru's tracking activity time device doesn't detect any extreme amount of energy consuption that would drop it's activity time.

Walking is actually an extreme low end because of that, it's used as the baseline / minimal functional usage.

This would also make the point of "Kokichi might be the one moving the robot" Irrelevant eitherway since, even if true, it'd mean he's giving energy equivalent to what mechamaru is wasting per second while fighting as the activity time remains equal in the device's calculations. So regardless those 17 years would indeed be at least walk energy (robot's KE) times 17 years in seconds.

You are measuring it based on incorrect logic.

Half of the machines you're looking at regarding their "remaining time" account for it without movement. That's why for anybody in this thread who has ever driven a car, we all see that although it says "this gas will last you 30 more minutes", that shit runs out in 15.

Battery time does the exact same except without app usage. It measures the remaining time that the phone is doing what it's doing at the moment. If you're using multiple apps at the moment it will account for that. Unfortunately, Kokichi's robot says the same whether he's doing nothing, walking, punching, and also using years worth of energy.

It's not a machine valid enough to follow your line of logic

 

[Rodriiogo]

You are measuring it based on incorrect logic.

Half of the machines you're looking at regarding their "remaining time" account for it without movement. That's why for anybody in this thread who has ever driven a car, we all see that although it says "this gas will last you 30 more minutes", that shit runs out in 15.

That's just not true, an electric car which is the example I use measures it based on an EV range which works by using the data from the energy consumption to project how far/time the car can still go on its current charge. If you drive more efficiently, the time goes up and if you drive aggressively, it goes down.

Battery time does the exact same except without app usage. It measures the remaining time that the phone is doing what it's doing at the moment. If you're using multiple apps at the moment it will account for that. Unfortunately, Kokichi's robot says the same whether he's doing nothing, walking, punching, and also using years worth of energy.

It's not a machine valid enough to follow your line of logic

That was my point tho.
Battery indicators for cars don’t update every micro-action in real time, I agree that they display the estimate based on the model usage on what it's doing overall, not every time he moves or punches, that's true;

That's why I pointed out that the moment he gets turned on he destroys the ground and emerges from the river.

That is right after being turned on, so the indicator would literally have no "low-power state" period for the system to use as a sample. Since it was just turn on it would calculate it at that moment the energy it just did after being turned on as it's regular state.

And if the time displayed was already there and it was based on idling it would immedialy drop the moment he awakened because Kokichi did that, so either option would fit my interpretation, not yours.

The robot is measured towards combat situations, it's a combat robot. So it is measuring it on that necessity just like a car does with it's driving capacities.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Also if we go by your interpretation that Kokichi is using his own current CE Output to move the robot, he would need to output the energy to move the robot... per second.

So his CE Output per second would indeed be the energy needed for mechamaru to move even by YOUR intepretation, even more considering, as you said, he makes Mechamaru do stuff like punch constantly, literally any interpretation gets the same conclusion man idk what to tell you.

 

[KingTempest]

That's just not true, an electric car which is the example I use measures it based on an EV range which works by using the data from the energy consumption to project how far/time the car can still go on its current charge. I you drive more efficiently, the time goes up and if you drive aggressively, it goes down.


That was my point tho.
Battery indicators for cars don’t update every micro-action in real time, I agree that they display the estimate based on the model usage on what it's doing overall, not every time he moves or punches, that's true;

That's why I pointed out that the moment he gets turned on he destroys the ground and emerges from the river.

That is right after being turned on, so the indicator would literally have no "low-power state" period for the system to use as a sample. Since it was just turn on it would calculate it at that moment the energy it just did after being turned on as it's regular state.

And if the time displayed was already there and it was based on idling it would immedialy drop the moment he awakened because Kokichi did that, so either option would fit my interpretation, not yours.

The robot is measured towards combat situations, it's a combat robot. So it is measuring it on that necessity just like a car does with it's driving capacities.

The robot is not measured towards anything it is just measuring based on the amount of saved up energy he has left measured in his life. It's not measuring "the amount of time he spends moving" because different movements require different energies.
The robot isn't here measuring based on his attributes and what it can do for 17 years, it's only measured how much he's saved throughout his life.

That's why he doesn't say "I can still fight for 9 more years", he says "I can still fight with 9 years worth of cursed energy". That's why everytime he uses a special attack, he charges it with years. It's an energy system measured in years. It's not what's being spent every second.

Also if we go by your interpretation that Kokichi is using his own current CE Output to move the robot, he would need to output the energy to move the robot... per second.

So his CE Output per second would indeed be the energy needed for mechamaru to move even by YOUR intepretation, even more considering, as you said, he makes Mechamaru do stuff like punch constantly, literally any interpretation gets the same conclusion man idk what to tell you.

This is probably the worst point you've made.

Everything is measured per second. Even his 5 year charge is blasted out... per second. It's not saying that it's a second worth of his activity time.
Your calc says he walks at 8.88216318788 meters per second. If he runs it's going to be much faster, per second. If he punches it's gonna be much faster... per second. If he blasts a years worth of energy it'll be one year worth of CE, per second.

You're switching from a bad translation of mechanics to a bad understanding of the basic concept of math.

 

[Rodriiogo]

The robot is not measured towards anything it is just measuring based on the amount of saved up energy he has left measured in his life. It's not measuring "the amount of time he spends moving" because different movements require different energies.
The robot isn't here measuring based on his attributes and what it can do for 17 years, it's only measured how much he's saved throughout his life.

I already showed this and I will show it again, it literally says that's his activity limit. Until you show any evidence of otherwise I will trust the manga's words over what you say with no evidence, please tell me why it would say that if it isn't literally his activity limit man:

It is also the time he spent restricted yes but that's because he was accumulating that amount of energy to power the robot for that time aswell, they are equivalent.

That's why he doesn't say "I can still fight for 9 more years", he says "I can still fight with 9 years worth of cursed energy". That's why everytime he uses a special attack, he charges it with years. It's an energy system measured in years. It's not what's being spent every second.

It is quantified in years. That’s just a unit, like joules, kilowatt-hours, or liters of fuel. Saying "9 years worth of CE" does not mean the system is ignoring time-based expenditure or per-second output. It just means the total stored energy is expressed in that unit. It being measured in “years” does not magically exempt it from being spent over time. It just isn't visible because the smallest measure on the panel is "days" which would take... well a day to change. Kokichi is just stating the remaining fuel that he has, not contradicting that the fuel is being consumed at a regular operational rate normally? He knows he requires year charges to damage Kenjaku. That's why he needs a good amount of years.

There is no interpretation where energy is "not being spent per second", either Kokichi or the stored energy is constantly giving energy per second for Mechamaru to function otherwise he would be unable to move every second man, and both would just get the same conclusion so it doesn't matter.

Everything is measured per second. Even his 5 year charge is blasted out... per second. It's not saying that it's a second worth of his activity time.
Your robot says he walks at 8.88216318788 meters per second. If he runs it's going to be much faster, per second. If he punches it's gonna be much faster... per second. If he blasts a years worth of energy it'll be one year worth of CE, per second.

Yea...? And that's why when he uses the 5 years charge, 5 years get removed of it's activity limit. Because instead of using it regularly, he boosted his output to those 5 years for one second to use said attack. You missed the point completely yet again. You claim he is the one powering the robot correct? The robot is moving while fighting, if Kokichi's output is controlling the robot, then his output per second IS the movements of the robot since they are moving because of his own CE output via your own logic. So if Kokichi's output allows him to make mechamaru move, let's say, "20m/s", then his output per second NEEDS to be the energy needed for that robot to move that fast. (The number is arbitrary, don't take it as an actual value)

And since the year charges are one year worth of his energy that he has accumulated for every second he's been restrained then 1 year worth of energy would indeed still equate to mechamaru moving times one year in seconds.

 

[KingTempest]

I already showed this and I will show it again, it literally says that's his activity limit. Until you show any evidence of otherwise I will trust the manga's words over what you say with no evidence, please tell me why it would say that if it isn't literally his activity limit man:

It is also the time he spent powering the robot yes but that's because he was accumulating that amount of energy to power the robot for that time aswell, they are equivalent.


It is quantified in years. That’s just a unit, like joules, kilowatt-hours, or liters of fuel. Saying "9 years worth of CE" does not mean the system is ignoring time-based expenditure or per-second output. It just means the total stored energy is expressed in that unit. It being measured in “years” does not magically exempt it from being spent over time. It just isn't visible because the smallest measure on the panel is "days" which would take... well a day to change. Kokichi is just stating the remaining fuel that he has, not contradicting that fuel being consumed at a regular operational rate normally? He knows he requires year charges to damage Kenjaku. That's why he needs a good amount of years.

There is no interpretation where energy is "not being spent per second", either Kokichi or the stored energy is constantly giving energy per second for Mechamaru to function and both would just get the same conclusion so it doesn't matter.


Yea...? And that's why when he uses the 5 years charge, 5 years get removed of it's activity limit. Because instead of using it regularly, he boosted his output to those 5 years for one second to use said attack. You missed the point completely yet again. You claim he is the one powering the robot correct? The robot is moving while fighting, if Kokichi's output is controlling the robot, then his output per second the movements of the robot since they are moving because of his own CE output via your own logic. So if Kokichi's output allows him to make mechamaru move, let's say, "20m/s", then his output per second NEEDS to be the energy needed for that robot to move that fast. (The number is arbitrary, don't take it as an actual value)

And since the year charges are one year worth of his energy that he has accumulated for every second he's been restrained then 1 year worth of energy would indeed still equate to mechamaru moving x one year in seconds.

I'm tired of arguing with people who don't understand basic math.

A car on average holds about 14 gallons of gas. On average it uses 6.38889e-5 gallons per second. This means that a car will be active for 219130.396673 seconds, or 2.536231442974537 days.

Now if it ups it to 7e-5 gallons per second, it clearly isn't the original measurement accounting for the 2.536231442974537 days. It isn't that much different, it is "insignificant", but it is now going to run out in 200000 seconds. 2.31481481 days.
Turn on AC, 2.1 days.
Play music, 2.
Start driving, 1.9.
Drive faster, 1.5.

These are all things being done per second that translate into more energy being used per second. It doesn't mean that the car, doing things a car does, has varying life expectancies.
All because something is being done per second by the robot does not mean that the robot will measure that action out by "a second" worth of cursed energy.
"A second" of cursed energy for Kokichi is not measured by the actions the robot does per second BECAUSE THE ROBOT DOES DIFFERENT ACTIONS. Him walking, jumping, lunging, running, all require different energies per second. Also him STANDING does as well. You cannot try to say "it does something in a second" and correlate it to his cursed energy "per second". That isn't how that shit works. "A second" is how much CE he saved in a second of his life, not how much energy he spends per second using these functions.

Your calc says that he walks at 9 m/s and that counts as a second. If he runs at 18 m/s is it now going to divide the 17 years into 8 years and 8 months?

 

[Rodriiogo]

I'm tired of arguing with people who don't understand basic math.

A car on average holds about 14 gallons of gas. On average it uses 6.38889e-5 gallons per second. This means that a car will be active for 219130.396673 seconds, or 2.536231442974537 days.

Now if it ups it to 7e-5 gallons per second, it clearly isn't the original measurement accounting for the 2.536231442974537 days. It isn't that much different, it is "insignificant", but it is now going to run out in 200000 seconds. 2.31481481 days.
Turn on AC, 2.1 days.
Play music, 2.
Start driving, 1.9.
Drive faster, 1.5.

These are all things being done per second that translate into more energy being used per second. It doesn't mean that the car, doing things a car does, has varying life expectancies.
All because something is being done per second by the robot does not mean that the robot will measure that action out by "a second" worth of cursed energy.
"A second" of cursed energy for Kokichi is not measured by the actions the robot does per second BECAUSE THE ROBOT DOES DIFFERENT ACTIONS. Him walking, jumping, lunging, running, all require different energies per second. Also him STANDING does as well. You cannot try to say "it does something in a second" and correlate it to his cursed energy "per second". That isn't how that shit works. "A second" is how much CE he saved in a second of his life, not how much energy he spends per second using these functions.

Your calc says that he walks at 9 m/s and that counts as a second. If he runs at 18 m/s is it now going to divide the 17 years into 8 years and 8 months?

Oh my, I ALREADY agreed with this. Re-read my points man holy
Estimated remaining time is NOT exact depletion, stop looping on stuff I already explained.

Different actions do consume different amounts of energy per second. That’s obvious and I'm not disputing any of that.
What I'm saying is that a time estimate does not require a single fixed per-second cost for every action. It only requires a baseline operational model.

A car doesn't say "I will die in exactly 2.536231442974537 days" A car will say "~300 miles remaining" or in the case of time "~4 hours remaining" while taking into account driving, however that number will shift dynamically around an assumed usage profile. The fact that the number isn’t perfectly accurate second-to-second does not mean the estimate is meaningless or that it’s not based on activity.

Mechamaru has "17 years" but I'm not claiming EVERY SINGLE ACTION is the same CE per second and that it will ALWAYS be 1 second of action = 1 second of CE

I'm saying that given what it is operational for, that's how long the stored energy can function. Since Mechamaru is a combat robot that activates directly into high-output movement the moment it even gets turned on, saying it's operational state in the device is "idling", for example, is STUPID. And that walking should actually be the bare minimum FOR A LITERAL COMBAT ROBOT'S FUNCTION.

Your own example is literally supporting this, turning on the AC doesn't make your car immediatly show a different "life expectancy" before it dies. It adjusts overtime depending on the profile of usage.

"A second" is how much CE he saved in a second of his life, not how much energy he spends per second using these functions.

I will not send the image again man. Activity. Limit.
I'm still waiting for a reasonable explanation on why the big text saying "activity limit" is not talking about the robot's activity limit. I'm not denying that same time is also the time he spent restricted, but it does not mean it is not 1:1.

 

[YmTheSuper]

I will not send the image again man. Activity. Limit.
I'm still waiting for a reasonable explanation on why the big text saying "activity limit" is not talking about the robot's activity limit. I'm not denying that same time is also the time he spent restricted, but it does not mean it is not 1:1.

It's the activity limit as in the energy the robot has left before it becomes inactive rather than the time it has left because the time there indicates energy measured by units of time. (1 day on the panel is equivalent to cursed energy that he saved during each day of his life not a timer). Do you actually believe that the energy he saved each second of his life is exactly equal to the energy used for the robot to move each second?

 

[Rodriiogo]

And I will ask again, you think Kokichi's output is enough for him to be the one controlling Mode Absolute right? That was one of your main points.
You then also agree that the "17 years" is the energy he has output ever since he's been restricted aka his entire lifetime but that he only uses that for charges. That was your second point.

Let's say I hypothetically agree with both points, so the entire energy for Mechamaru to move/operate comes from Kokichi. How would Kokichi make Mode Absolute, walk, punch, move, etc if you think his output per second for his entire lifetime has been not even enough of an energy needed for mode absolute to WALK.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Disagree with the existence of JJK on VSBattles FRA and FRB

 

[Rodriiogo]

It's the activity limit as in the energy the robot has left before it becomes inactive rather than the time it has left because the time there indicates energy measured by units of time. (1 day on the panel is equivalent to cursed energy that he saved during each day of his life not a timer).

Energy measured by units of time would still be... energy? It would just be how many energy he spends in 17 years. It's an activity time like a battery, there's literally nothing supporting it's anything else other than the time limit it has before it runs out, head-canoning the series doesnt work here. It'd make no sense for the words "activity limit" to be there if its something else man.

Do you actually believe that the energy he saved each second of his life is exactly equal to the energy used for the robot to move each second?

Isn't one of the main points being used in the thread that Kokichi is the one moving the robot? If so, then yes that has to be the case actually, otherwise Kokichi would be unable to make the robot move/punch/attack if his output per second is lower than the robot even needs to walk. Kokichi has also demonstrated to be able to do CE output way beyond mode absolute's walking energy, so if Kokichi is the one controlling mode absolute then yes I do believe that.

 

[Rodriiogo]

This is going in circles for the third time btw so I think its better everything gets grouped in one-two messages cause rn whoever steps in the thread will see the same argument like 5 times.

I have to do uni work rn so I cant do it now for me, just saying it is prob better.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Although the wiki considers them as evaluations I don't consider heavy supporters as valid votes for threads. Votes valid, I don't care for it.

Bro ur voting for your own thread. Have some shame

 

[KingTempest]

Bro ur voting for your own thread. Have some shame

Check ya dms in 20 seconds

 

[Robo432343]

We have come to the point where both members have given their arguments, let's just wait for them to evaluate properly before this thread ends up becoming like 10 pages long

 

[Buraqibear]

Bro ur voting for your own thread. Have some shame

Check ya dms in 20 seconds

"Meet me after school" ahh

 

[Apotheosis69]

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[Robo432343]

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