Jujutsu Kaisen: Mechamaru's Terrible Feat

[OjeTheArcher15]

What do you think a cursed technique is?
A cursed technique is literally the energy from YOUR OWN BODY.
He uses THE ENERGY FROM HIS OWN BODY to do this shit.
The only time he isn't using the energy from HIS OWN BODY is when he's using the robot MADE TO USE THE ENERGY FROM A SEPARATE SOURCE.
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT, UNLESS YOU WANNA SAY THE 17 YEARS OF ENERGY IS ALL IN HIS BODY.

You're literally arguing about NOTHING.
What do you think he's doing? Calling back the energy he put into the robot to re-enter him so he can use puppet manipulation all over again?

So a bunch of repeated arguments then with zero proof

Ultra Cannon is a form of puppet manipulation
I'm asking you to prove only walking requires CE from his body while Larger output requires CE from the robot

 

[KingTempest]

Ykw no.

@OjeTheArcher15 How do you think he moves the robot?

^

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

^

With puppet manipulation powered from CE of the Robot

 

[KingTempest]

With puppet manipulation powered from CE of the Robot

Why do you think he can recall cursed energy from an external source?
And give me 1 example of a non sentient energy source returning energy back to an individual?

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Why do you think he can recall cursed energy from an external source?
And give me 1 example of a non sentient energy source returning energy back to an individual?

Returning? Nah
Using? Why of course

An example is Tsurugi using the CE in non-sentient cursed tools to create simple domains (which means running CE through the part of the brain controlling Barrier techniques)

The same principle applies here

 

[Rodriiogo]

I've already proven it over and over again yall just disagree.

Ima be so real, I re-read the entire thread against just to be sure, and haven't seen a single piece of evidence supporting "Mode Absolute Mechamaru is moving with Kokichi's current CE instead of the reserves he kept for years", please re-send.

For him to control his robot's motions he utilizes his cursed technique for it.
I am tackling the fact that the thing being calced is him WALKING AROUND as if it uses that energy walking around per second. The energy to operate isn't the energy to move. The energy in the robot can be used for it to turn on that's perfectly fine. For it to MOVE that is all Kokichi.

Except it is by definition

You are purposefully missing the point imo at this point. The point isn't "oh kokichi isn't making him move" he is yes, but the Cursed Energy that he is using to make him move IS THE ONE HE STORED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. The words "activity limit" are there for a reason, and the reason the fanbook itself says year charges are extremely risky to use is because once he runs out of them the robot will literally run out of energy. As Kokichi doesn't have enough CE output per second to keep Mode absolute moving/attacking, he'd tire himself.

Also please stop misinterpreting how puppet manipulation works, first off, look at how the fanbook itself shows it, notice how it distinguished regular puppet manipulation from what he uses with mode absolute? Keep that in mind.
"A technique that allows for the control of high-performance puppets through cursed energy"
Kokichi isn't the one that has the cursed energy. He IMPLEMENTS HIS OWN CURSED ENERGY into his puppets's core and controls them through that energy.

Puppets have their own core which is where the cursed energy goes.

Mode Absolute Mechamaru's Core is has "17 years" worth of cursed energy because Kokichi kept storing it in him (his core):
"Years of restriction generated an enormous amount of cursed energy."
"As a trump card, Kokichi Muta used a gigantic armored puppet that he could control from the inside. The huge output he uses to operate the puppet was obtained by converting the years that he lived bound by a Heavenly Restriction into cursed energy."

Unlike his regular Mechamarus, Mode Absolute has basically it's own "reserve" of cursed energy because of that, and Kokichi is able to control it from the inside with cables that mimic his movement unlike his regular puppet manipulation that he just does it with his own raw output and technique. It's a technical manual version of puppet manipulation that he created which allows him to fight with a reserve of cursed energy way beyond his own and without outputting energy of his own constantly (which also allows him to output way more energy). This even allows him to do stuff like simple domains to hurt Mahito's soul, something he can't just do normally because of yk, he has to focus his cursed energy on controlling his puppets which requires alot of precision.

TLDR: The source of him moving and attacking is indeed the same thing, aka the Core. Saying it isn't is complete headcanon and misunderstanding what "Puppets" actually are. Unless you think Mode Absolute has two cores which at that point idk what to tell you man.
Mode Absolute is basically Kokichi using creativity to create his own "cursed corpse" in an artificial way by making it have its own CE reserve. That's literally the whole narrative, saying he for some reason decides to use his own CE for him to move instead of the one in its core already is basically calling Kokichi stupid.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Streets saying tempest is a minor and Rodric is pushing 40

Yo what is this slander I didn't even clock it

I agree on removing the feat.

Not because of what tempest said but because the feat was dumb

Ok man

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Yo what is this slander I didn't even clock it

Heard from a reliable source that you're an unc

Ok man

Jjk supporters will push an Agenda everyone agrees with only for the same people to agree with a downgrade (the enemy is from within)

 

[KingTempest]

Returning? Nah
Using? Why of course

An example is Tsurugi using the CE in non-sentient cursed tools to create simple domains (which means running CE through the part of the brain controlling Barrier techniques)

The same principle applies here

I agree with you on this note.

Innate techniques are engraved in the brain. In order to use an innate technique, you require to utilize the cursed energy in your body and funnel it into your cursed technique, which is in the brain. You cannot use cursed techniques through external energy unless the energy is within you, which is why Yuta replenishes his cursed energy before he uses cursed techniques.

So what you're saying is that he needs to call back that cursed energy into his body and run it through his brain in order to use the barrier technique.
You're aiding my point

So again, what is the logic that allows Kokichi to use cursed energy that isn't in his body to use a cursed technique?

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

I agree with you on this note.

Innate techniques are engraved in the brain. In order to use an innate technique, you require to utilize the cursed energy in your body and funnel it into your corsed technique, which is in the brain. You cannot use cursed techniques through external energy unless the energy is within you, which is why Yuta replenishes his cursed energy before he uses cursed techniques.

So what you're saying is that he needs to call back that cursed energy into his bodyand run it through his brain in order to use the barrier technique.
You're aiding my point

So again, what is the logic that allows Kokichi to use cursed energy that isn't in his body to use a cursed technique?

The same way he does Ultra Cannon (a technique of puppet manipulation) using his robot CE

And the way Tsurugi uses CE from tools and runs it through his brain to create simple domain

It's not compulsory the CE must be from you
Only that you're able to pour into the part of the brain that the CT is engraved it

Also the scan you used said absolutely nothing about the CE being must be from his body
So that really doesn't prove your point nor help your argument

 

[Rodriiogo]

Also can I ask where did the headcanon of "regular puppet manipulation makes them imitate Kokichi's moves just like with mode absolute" come from, cause that just isn't true:

Kokichi is controlling multiple Mechamarus and NONE OF THEM copy his body's movements, he doesn't need to do the same movements unlike with mode absolute because, guess what, he controls mode absolute through the cables, while controlling the mechamarus through his mind with his technique.

We even get confirmation that while the multiple mechamarus were distracting Mahito, Kokichi went away, changed his clothes, and entered mode absolute. And we see mode absolute gets activated right after Mahito finished destroying the mechamarus. In no world were the mechamarus copying his movements otherwise Mahito would see Mechamarus running away and changing clothes lmao.

Can we stop head-canoning stuff and nitpicking that singular panel where ultimate mechamaru does copy Kokichi's moves? That was a singular cinematic panel on purpose lol, he doesn't need to do that unless its mode absolute BECAUSE HE CONTROLS IT THROUGH CABLES.

This thread is severly just going circular without showing ANY EVIDENCE for the claims it's making initally.

 

[KingTempest]

Except it is by definition

"(of a person) control the functionining of (a machine, process, or system)"
Unless you think it's the cursed energy puppeteering it and not the actual dude

You are purposefully missing the point imo at this point. The point isn't "oh kokichi isn't making him move" he is yes, but the Cursed Energy that he is using to make him move IS THE ONE HE STORED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. The words "activity limit" are there for a reason, and the reason the fanbook itself says year charges are extremely risky to use is because once he runs out of them the robot will literally run out of energy. As Kokichi doesn't have enough CE output per second to keep Mode absolute moving/attacking, he'd tire himself.

Also please stop misinterpreting how puppet manipulation works, first off, look at how the fanbook itself shows it, notice how it distinguished regular puppet manipulation from what he uses with mode absolute? Keep that in mind.
"A technique that allows for the control of high-performance puppets through cursed energy"
Kokichi isn't the one that has the cursed energy. He IMPLEMENTS HIS OWN CURSED ENERGY into his puppets's core and controls them through that energy.

Puppets have their own core which is where the cursed energy goes.

"He doesn't use his cursed energy. He uses his cursed energy to go into the puppets core, then he controls the puppet through the cursed energy he put in the puppet's core"

You're literally telling me that "he doesn't his cursed energy, he uses his cursed energy" regarding his usual robots.

He's literally controlling them through the cursed energy he channels through them. Same way Yaga does by controlling them through his own cursed energy.

Mode Absolute Mechamaru's Core is has "17 years" worth of cursed energy because Kokichi kept storing it in him (his core):
"Years of restriction generated an enormous amount of cursed energy."
"As a trump card, Kokichi Muta used a gigantic armored puppet that he could control from the inside. The huge output he uses to operate the puppet was obtained by converting the years that he lived bound by a Heavenly Restriction into cursed energy."

Unlike his regular Mechamarus, Mode Absolute has basically it's own "reserve" of cursed energy because of that, and Kokichi is able to control it from the inside with cables that mimic his movement unlike his regular puppet manipulation that he just does it with his own raw output and technique. It's a technical manual version of puppet manipulation that he created which allows him to fight with a reserve of cursed energy way beyond his own and without outputting energy of his own constantly (which also allows him to output way more energy). This even allows him to do stuff like simple domains to hurt Mahito's soul, something he can't just do normally because of yk, he has to focus his cursed energy on controlling his puppets which requires alot of precision.

This is quite literally 1000% headcanon.
So instead of the dude who controls puppets to use his technique to control puppets, you think that instead he uses strings and cords to literally puppet the machine, which would still mean that the movement of it would be due to his control (even if the mechanic is wrong).
You also say that he's using a method of saving his own energy in order to use more energy, then you disagree with him using his own energy.
On top of that, he isn't usually able to use simple domain. That is true. But why would he not be able to use simple domain if he was focusing his cursed energy on controlling his puppets... IF HE ISN'T CONTROLLING THE MECH WITH HIS CURSED TECHNIQUE?

 

[KingTempest]

The same way he does Ultra Cannon (a technique of puppet manipulation) using his robot CE

And the way Tsurugi uses CE from tools and runs it through his brain to create simple domain

It's not compulsory the CE must be from you
Only that you're able to pour into the part of the brain that the CT is engraved it

Also the scan you used said absolutely nothing about the CE being must be from his body

I didn't say it needs to be from your body. I said it needs to be IN your body.
Your entire message didn't tackle a crumb of my point.

Me: To use a CT, CE needs to enter your brain
You: it doesn't say it needs to be from your body
Me: IT NEEDS TO GO IN YOUR BODY
You: But it doesn't say it needs to be from your body

You aren't even reading what the heck is being stated

Also can I ask where did the headcanon of "regular puppet manipulation makes them imitate Kokichi's moves just like with mode absolute" come from, cause that just isn't true:

Kokichi is controlling multiple Mechamarus and NONE OF THEM copy his body's movements, he doesn't need to do the same movements unlike with mode absolute because, guess what, he controls mode absolute through the cables, while controlling the mechamarus through his mind with his technique.

We even get confirmation that while the multiple mechamarus were distracting Mahito, Kokichi went away, changed his clothes, and entered mode absolute. And we see mode absolute gets activated right after Mahito finished destroying the mechamarus. In no world were the mechamarus copying his movements otherwise Mahito would see Mechamarus running away and changing clothes lmao.

Can we stop head-canoning stuff and nitpicking that singular panel where ultimate mechamaru does copy Kokichi's moves? That was a singular cinematic panel on purpose lol, he doesn't need to do that unless its mode absolute BECAUSE HE CONTROLS IT THROUGH CABLES.

This thread is severly just going circular without showing ANY EVIDENCE for the claims it's making initally.

You have a talent of arguing points that don't matter. This is not a core point to the damn CRT at all it's literally a supporting fact showing that kokichi's movements are replicated with the things he controls.

That was it.

No one said "THEY WILL ALWAYS COPY HIM IN EVERY SITUATION", I said "this is why they copy him". Unless you think it's a coincidence that his body and the robots he controls make the exact same movements

 

[KingTempest]

I'm deadass not going to argue with yall and imma wait for staff.

OjeTheArcher15 is trying to say that he uses his cursed technique to pilot the robot but he doesn't use his own cursed energy for it
Rodriiogo is saying that he doesn't use his cursed technique at all and he's just controlling it with cords and strings and shit and the cursed energy in there is doing all the work while arguing side point #43050932943
Mommyleona is just here

Yall are saying a bunch of different points and this is why every thread is long as shit. We've went 3 pages and not 1 evaluation.

So imma just wait for staff.

 

[Rodriiogo]

"(of a person) control the functionining of (a machine, process, or system)"
Unless you think it's the cursed energy puppeteering it and not the actual dude

...Yea? The whole statement is that the way kokichi operates it is with the years worth of energy. So while it is Kokichi puppetering it, the ce output isn't him doing it on a whim by himself constantly and the entire source is the years worth of energy. Do you really not see the issue?

"He doesn't use his cursed energy. He uses his cursed energy to go into the puppets core, then he controls the puppet through the cursed energy he put in the puppet's core"

You're literally telling me that "he doesn't his cursed energy, he uses his cursed energy" regarding his usual robots.

He's literally controlling them through the cursed energy he channels through them. Same way Yaga does by controlling them through his own cursed energy.

You really cut my entire point in one phrase and still managed to misintrepret it.
I'm saying Kokichi implements his CE into the puppets core and controls them through said energy. If you don't get the point, let me get a phrase you said:

So again, what is the logic that allows Kokichi to use cursed energy that isn't in his body to use a cursed technique?

Yea. Do you get it now? He is indeed controlling them through cursed energy that isn't in his body by default man, he can indeed do that since it's still his cursed energy even if it isn't on his body. That's why you need extreme talent on cursed energy manipulation to use puppet manipulation.

This is quite literally 1000% headcanon.
So instead of the dude who controls puppets to use his technique to control puppets, you think that instead he uses strings and cords to literally puppet the machine, which would still mean that the movement of it would be due to his control (even if the mechanic is wrong).
You also say that he's using a method of saving his own energy in order to use more energy, then you disagree with him using his own energy.
On top of that, he isn't usually able to use simple domain. That is true. But why would he not be able to use simple domain if he was focusing his cursed energy on controlling his puppets... IF HE ISN'T CONTROLLING THE MECH WITH HIS CURSED TECHNIQUE?

First off, re-read the point, second off:
"This is a method of manipulating a puppet without a core by channeling cursed energy into it and using a technique, which requires a huge amount of cursed energy and talent for manipulating cursed energy."
Mode Absolute is still only possible because of his puppet manipulation. He still used it to create what mode absolute is, no one else could do what he did.

Mode Absolute would require way more energy to constantly move around by default so he knows he can't do it with his technique alone. Therefore he learned a way around it, by constantly outputting energy into it across the years he basically gave Mode Absolute it's own "CE reserve" so it could function without him having to output energy as he can't do that constantly as it requires an insane high amount of CE output as the fanbook says.
That's what the years were for. Also I don't disagree he isn't using his own energy (the years worth of energy inside mechamaru is still HIS energy even if it isn't in his body), he uses it for the CT tubes. Hence the simple domains, I'm just saying he isn't using his current energy for mechamaru to move, that's dumb, ignoring the narrative and a straight up headcanon.

As for the final question what does this even mean?

You have a talent of arguing points that don't matter. This is not a core point to the damn CRT at all it's literally a supporting fact showing that kokichi's movements are replicated with the things he controls.

Yea and the point from the beginning is that theres no evidence on what ur claiming from the beginning so I was telling you, the body copy has nothing to do with puppet manipulation's function.

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I'll also repeat myself again,
I've yet to a single piece of evidence/proof that Kokichi is using his own current CE to move Mode Absolute instead of just listening to what the fanbook says and stop head-canoning some secondary non existent power source:

 

[BiggestOpp]

The argument the CRT has for claiming Absolute Mechamaru is powered by Kokichi's own CE is that Kokichi is controlling the robot with his CT… Yeah that’s literally the whole argument.


That doesn’t make the calc invalid
The screen shows the activity limit of the robot. The activity limit of a machine represents the amount of time it can operate for until it runs out of energy. This would include moving, for example.

Activity limit is the total amount of CE Kokichi stored with his heavily restriction. He has 17 years worth of CE.
But forget about that rn, I’m Interested in this
“The activity limit of a machine represents the amount of time it can operate for until it runs out of energy. This would include moving, for example.”
Assuming this interpretation is correct, please tell us how you’re reaching this conclusion.
Activity Limit would literally just be how long the machine can stay active, why are you default assuming it’s factoring in walking (the activity limit is assuming the robot is walking 24/7????) and other basic movements?
There’s are different functions that would require different mechanical functions to work.
Why is this a default assumption?

And it also doesn’t matter if this time is stated to be the time Mechamaru has been tied up by heavenly restriction. That doesn’t mean it can’t also be the activity limit, these are not mutually exclusive things. They are the same in fact, as is shown.

My guy, you’re telling me that Kokichi has been storing energy for 17 years, imbued it into the robot and the systems calculated that all of that energy (17 years worth) would allow him to walk for 17 years straight? Lmao, sure brotatochip. Suuuuure.
Activity limit would literally be how long the energy can keep the robot on.
Why are we default assuming that this is calculating based off the assumption that it’s walking nonstop for its entire time active? The only way the interpretation of the calc work is with that assumption, which is ridiculous. This would literally be the run time as in how long the machine can stay active, basic functions like the lights and computer systems, hardware and shit like that. Moving around, punching, etc are different functions that’ll take different mechanics and systems to do. This would not be default included into how long it can stay active, that would require different evidence to prove as such.

That isn’t true
And the former is if we consider what you said to be true, cause while it's true that Kokichi controls the robot, that doesn’t necessarily mean he also generates the energy for it to move, that is a leap in logic. Specially when it’s shown this isn’t the case.

• "The huge output he uses to operate the puppet was obtained by converting the years that he lived bound by a Heavenly Restriction into Cursed Energy." So the energy Kokichi uses to operate/control the robot isn’t from him but from the energy he saved up.

The activity limit is, word for word, the amount of energy he stored while being under the effects of the HR, which is 17 years.

• When were shown the activity limit of the robot, Kokichi states that it is the energy accumulated from rotting away in his heavenly restriction. As I said before, the activity limit shows how long the robot can move for and Kokichi is saying this is thanks to the energy he accumulated.

This requires evidence my guy, the activity limit is literally how much CE he has stored up overtime which can use for different task, such as firing it off at people.

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• Other than that, the fanbook also says year charges are risky because the energy the robot has is finite. If Kokichi could just keep the robot running with his own ce this wouldnt make sense.

If the robot activity limit runs on the assumption that it’s performing basic movements and activity then that means the amount of CE those movements take up would be 1CE, probably less.
Because we know that the amount is literally just how long he’s been storing CE, he should still be able to operate the machine without the stored CE because, according to you, the energy needed to make it work is bullshit low. (1s worth of CE=enough to make it walk around run punch and shit).
There would be no fear of it just shutting off once the stored KE goes away, because he should still be able to operate with his own CE.
That risk comes from the fact that he’ll no longer have big output attacks which are necessary for the fight.
He still has to fight Kenjaku, if he wastes all of that energy converting it on Mahito, he’ll lack the necessary strength to fight Kenny.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

We've went 3 pages and not 1 evaluation.

I mean Duedate8898 counts

 

[Rodriiogo]

Ragebait from BiggestOpp as per usual, can't fail in a JJK thread, notice how I answer all your points with things already said in the thread, IN THE FIRST GODDAM PAGE.

Activity limit is the total amount of CE Kokichi stored with his heavily restriction. He has 17 years worth of CE.
But forget about that rn, I’m Interested in this
“The activity limit of a machine represents the amount of time it can operate for until it runs out of energy. This would include moving, for example.”
Assuming this interpretation is correct, please tell us how you’re reaching this conclusion.
Activity Limit would literally just be how long the machine can stay active, why are you default assuming it’s factoring in walking (the activity limit is assuming the robot is walking 24/7????) and other basic movements?
There’s are different functions that would require different mechanical functions to work.
Why is this a default assumption?

My guy, you’re telling me that Kokichi has been storing energy for 17 years, imbued it into the robot and the systems calculated that all of that energy (17 years worth) would allow him to walk for 17 years straight? Lmao, sure brotatochip. Suuuuure.
Activity limit would literally be how long the energy can keep the robot on.
Why are we default assuming that this is calculating based off the assumption that it’s walking nonstop for its entire time active? The only way the interpretation of the calc work is with that assumption, which is ridiculous. This would literally be the run time as in how long the machine can stay active, basic functions like the lights and computer systems, hardware and shit like that. Moving around, punching, etc are different functions that’ll take different mechanics and systems to do. This would not be default included into how long it can stay active, that would require different evidence to prove as such.

The issue with that interpretation would be that it is tracking time which should work like a fuel or battery indicator. It wouldn't be tracking its idling time, that's illogical. Your phone for example, the time it tracks that it has of how much its remaining battery can last is always taking into account SoT (Screen-on time), same goes for a PC, which your example is wrong, your PC even if you don't press a button is still constantly processing and loading stuff in the background, as that's it's basic functions, Mechamaru's function is more of like an Electric car, which, despite it wasting battery when idling, the time it tracks on "Battery left" is taking into account the function it does (Driving in a car's case, Fighting in Mechamaru's).
- Phones do it with SoT (Screen-on time) and app consumption;
- Electric car do it with driving battery waste alongside time;
- PCs do it with everything they process in the background alongside it's running of Apps for the user;
Mechamaru's time would be taking into account fight, or at least, basic functions. Especially since at that point in time Kokichi was using it to fight and literally destroyed the ground and emerged from the river right after awakening. If Mechamaru's time was only taking on "idling energy waste", when he started fighting the time would go from "17 years" to a lower number automatically cause mechamaru would be processing way more energy than when idling, but it doesn't.

TLDR: Mechamaru is logically tracking the battery/activity time it has to do fight, or at least basic necessities, as that's how battery/energy indicators work. Walking is the simplest activity he can do so it's the one being used as the one at bare minimum.

The activity limit is, word for word, the amount of energy he stored while being under the effects of the HR, which is 17 years.

This requires evidence my guy, the activity limit is literally how much CE he has stored up overtime which can use for different task, such as firing it off at people.

Let's read the first part, will we? "The huge output he uses to operate the puppet was obtained by converting the years (...)", your own scan is proving that the years worth of stored cursed energy is what's being used to operate the puppet.

If the robot activity limit runs on the assumption that it’s performing basic movements and activity then that means the amount of CE those movements take up would be 1CE, probably less.
Because we know that the amount is literally just how long he’s been storing CE, he should still be able to operate the machine without the stored CE because, according to you, the energy needed to make it work is bullshit low. (1s worth of CE=enough to make it walk around run punch and shit).
There would be no fear of it just shutting off once the stored KE goes away, because he should still be able to operate with his own CE.
That risk comes from the fact that he’ll no longer have big output attacks which are necessary for the fight.
He still has to fight Kenjaku, if he wastes all of that energy converting it on Mahito, he’ll lack the necessary strength to fight Kenny.

"The huge output he uses to operate the puppet was obtained by converting the years that he lived bound by a Heavenly Restriction into Cursed Energy." So the energy Kokichi uses to operate/control the robot isn’t from him but from the energy he saved up.

Oh and I sent this already but sending it again cause it supports my point, Kokichi still says he has 9 years left to fight Geto (he used year charges on mahito), he's not idling, it makes no sense for the years to only be taking into account "idling time left".

Genuinely read the entire convo before interfering, all your points have been addressed, you are genuinely going circular.

You genuinely sound insane:
"Kokichi can power the mech on his own, the years worth of energy was just to attack, he put an 'activity time' sticker on because it'd be funny ig, he forgot he can just do it on his own"

 

[KingTempest]

I mean Duedate8898 counts

Although the wiki considers them as evaluations I don't consider heavy supporters as valid votes for threads. Votes valid, I don't care for it.

 

[Rodriiogo]

This gotta be the most circular thread of all time, cause I've heard the same goddamn point with zero proof or research put into it a total of five times.

 

[KingTempest]

You tried to tell me that a puppet master uses external CE to use his puppet technique. I don't wanna hear anything about circular.

 

[MusicRelaxing]

guys.. stop fighting...

neutral btw

 

[BiggestOpp]

Ragebait from BiggestOpp as per usual, can't fail in a JJK thread, notice how I answer all your points with things already said in the thread, IN THE FIRST GODDAM PAGE.

Ay Rodriigo stfu, srs.
“Rage bait as per usual”
I’ve read the thread, and I responded to that specific person for a reason.
I didn’t respond to you, and do not wish to. You’re insufferable to argue against, you’re the same person who tried to argue PS was freaking teleportation just to make it fit your interpretation. That’s what you do.
Don’t ever default my argument down to rage bait because you disagree with it, this isn’t a discussion thread this is a CRT.

 

[Rodriiogo]

You tried to tell me that a puppet master uses external CE to use his puppet technique. I don't wanna hear anything about circular.

Spoiler: You can not be serious

Kokichi isn't the one that has the cursed energy. He IMPLEMENTS HIS OWN CURSED ENERGY into his puppets's core and controls them through that energy.

I'm saying Kokichi implements his CE into the puppets core and controls them through said energy.

since it's still his cursed energy even if it isn't on his body.

Also I don't disagree he isn't using his own energy

(the years worth of energy inside mechamaru is still HIS energy even if it isn't in his body)

I'm just saying he isn't using his current energy for mechamaru to move, that's dumb, ignoring the narrative and a straight up headcanon.

 

[Electronic74947]

Jjk supporters will push an Agenda everyone agrees with only for the same people to agree with a downgrade (the enemy is from within)

Woah woah woah, I never said I agreed?

 

[KingTempest]

"He doesn't use his own cursed energy. He puts his own cursed energy in the core and controls it through there".

"I don't use oil to fry eggs I put the oil on the stove and I put the eggs on the oil"

 

[Rodriiogo]

"He doesn't use his own cursed energy. He puts his own cursed energy in the core and controls it through there".

Let me make it clear since I'm tired of explaining it, and you keep dumbing down the point:

Kokichi has X Output of energy - > This X output is not enough to power Mode Absolute; This means Kokichi can not move Mode Absolute on his own normally.
Kokichi deicdes to continuously output his X amount and store it for years -> This creates Y output overtime which is enough to power Mode Absolute for 17 years.

Kokichi then uses Mode Absolute from the inside to use said Y energy he created. It is still his energy, but it isn't him doing it currently.

That's the goddamn point. It's still his energy BECAUSE THE YEARS WORTH ARE STILL HIS ENERGY.

 

[Arkenis]

It's literally how we get the electricity needed to power giant robots in the wiki.

Is there a thread or blog for this? I might've missed it if you linked already.

 

[Damage3245]

I haven't read the entire thread yet, so forgive me if this is a bit redundant, but 17 years, 5 months and 6 days of Cursed Energy available to Mechamaru to use in giant robot; that is from the amount of time that he has spent under Heavenly Restriction storing up Cursed Energy, right?

That does not mean that the giant robot just walking around for 1 second uses up Cursed Energy equivalent to 1 second that he stored up, right?

The "activity limit" doesn't mean it's a literal countdown of how long it can operate. For all we know it walking around for an hour uses a day or a week's worth of stored Cursed Energy. We have no way of knowing for certain. All we know is that it firing its huge cannons uses up an entire year at once, etc.

 

[BiggestOpp]

I haven't read the entire thread yet, so forgive me if this is a bit redundant, but 17 years, 5 months and 6 days of Cursed Energy available to Mechamaru to use in giant robot; that is from the amount of time that he has spent under Heavenly Restriction storing up Cursed Energy, right?

That does not mean that the giant robot just walking around for 1 second uses up Cursed Energy equivalent to 1 second that he stored up, right?

The "activity limit" doesn't mean it's a literal countdown of how long it can operate. For all we know it walking around for an hour uses a day or a week's worth of stored Cursed Energy. We have no way of knowing for certain. All we know is that it firing its huge cannons uses up an entire year at once, etc.

Glad to see a higher up agrees with my interpretation, now ik I’m not crazy

 

[KingTempest]

Let me make it clear since I'm tired of explaining it, and you keep dumbing down the point:

Kokichi has X Output of energy - > This X output is not enough to power Mode Absolute; This means Kokichi can not move Mode Absolute on his own normally.
Kokichi deicdes to continuously output his X amount and store it for years -> This creates Y output overtime which is enough to power Mode Absolute for 17 years.

Kokichi then uses Mode Absolute from the inside to use said Y energy he created. It is still his energy, but it isn't him doing it currently.

That's the goddamn point. It's still his energy BECAUSE THE YEARS WORTH ARE STILL HIS ENERGY.

Let me make my point even clearer since I'm tired of explaining it.

Kokichi controls the mech through Puppet Manipulation -> Puppet Manipulation is a cursed technique -> Cursed Technique require you to input cursed energy into your BRAIN in order to use the cursed technique -> Kokichi is utilizing cursed energy to pilot the mech -> Nobody in the entire series has shown to absorb cursed energy they already released in order to use a cursed technique -> Kokichi is using the cursed energy in his body to use puppet manipulation to move the mech -≠> Kokichi doesn't need to use the energy in the mech to move the mech, he only uses it so that the mech can actually function -> Kokichi's mech is powered by the 17y of cursed energy but it MOVES based on the cursed technique powered by him -> Kokichi moves the mech with the cursed energy in his body

 

[Damage3245]

I'm not certain that I fully agree with KT, but I do agree with removing the calc for my own reasons that I've mentioned above.

 

[Rodriiogo]

I haven't read the entire thread yet, so forgive me if this is a bit redundant, but 17 years, 5 months and 6 days of Cursed Energy available to Mechamaru to use in giant robot; that is from the amount of time that he has spent under Heavenly Restriction storing up Cursed Energy, right?

No, the 17 years is the activity time of the robot, the time that he stayed storing up cursed energy for mode absolute is unknown as just "ever since ive been chain down here" and we know Kokichi himself is 17 so yea.

That does not mean that the giant robot just walking around for 1 second uses up Cursed Energy equivalent to 1 second that he stored up, right?

The "activity limit" doesn't mean it's a literal countdown of how long it can operate. For all we know it walking around for an hour uses a day or a week's worth of stored Cursed Energy. We have no way of knowing for certain. All we know is that it firing its huge cannons uses up an entire year at once, etc.

For why walking is used:

The issue with that interpretation would be that it is tracking time which should work like a fuel or battery indicator. It wouldn't be tracking its idling time, that's illogical. Your phone for example, the time it tracks that it has of how much its remaining battery can last is always taking into account SoT (Screen-on time), same goes for a PC, which your example is wrong, your PC even if you don't press a button is still constantly processing and loading stuff in the background, as that's it's basic functions, Mechamaru's function is more of like an Electric car, which, despite it wasting battery when idling, the time it tracks on "Battery left" is taking into account the function it does (Driving in a car's case, Fighting in Mechamaru's).
- Phones do it with SoT (Screen-on time) and app consumption;
- Electric car do it with driving battery waste alongside time;
- PCs do it with everything they process in the background alongside it's running of Apps for the user;
Mechamaru's time would be taking into account fight, or at least, basic functions. Especially since at that point in time Kokichi was using it to fight and literally destroyed the ground and emerged from the river right after awakening. If Mechamaru's time was only taking on "idling energy waste", when he started fighting the time would go from "17 years" to a lower number automatically cause mechamaru would be processing way more energy than when idling, but it doesn't.

TLDR: Mechamaru is logically tracking the battery/activity time it has to do fight, or at least basic necessities, as that's how battery/energy indicators work. Walking is the simplest activity he can do so it's the one being used as the one at bare minimum.

As for the "year worth cannons" they aren't his regular cannons, they are just blasts (or any attack really) that Kokichi can enhance with years worth of energy of Mechamaru would stay active with, by charging his output with it.

 

[KingTempest]

I haven't read the entire thread yet, so forgive me if this is a bit redundant, but 17 years, 5 months and 6 days of Cursed Energy available to Mechamaru to use in giant robot; that is from the amount of time that he has spent under Heavenly Restriction storing up Cursed Energy, right?

No, the 17 years is the activity time of the robot, the time that he stayed storing up cursed energy for mode absolute is unknown and we know Kokichi himself is 17 so yea.

"The puppet that Koichi Muta uses as his last resort is a giant armored puppet that the puppeteer rides in. It charges itself WITH THE CURSED ENERGY FROM THE MONTHS AND YEARS THAT THE PUPPETEER HAS SPENT RESTRICTED BY THE HEAVENLY RESTRICTION"

 

[Rodriiogo]

"The puppet that Koichi Muta uses as his last resort is a giant armored puppet that the puppeteer rides in. It charges itself WITH THE CURSED ENERGY FROM THE MONTHS AND YEARS THAT THE PUPPETEER HAS SPENT RESTRICTED BY THE HEAVENLY RESTRICTION"

Huh different translations, well ok, that's my bad.

To re-word myself then, it wastes Mechamaru's activity limit which was charged slowly by Kokichi throughout the years hes spent restricted (Which is the same time ig)

 

[Arkenis]

iirc, a more reasonable idea was for us to either calculate the physical attacks it does, as these are done in seconds and multiply that by the year charges. Another idea that PowertoScale made was we use Mechmaru's output in his regular mech and multiply that by the years as he does that in a second as well.

Ultimately though I think the hardest hurdle as many have pointed out, is we simply don't know the energy it takes for moving. The 6 days counter never decreases from any of his movements, but he also doesn't move much. So it could be taking 45mins or 29mins or 1hr worth of cursed energy to move and we'd never know.

The human walking speed is also unfounded. Just because it says activity limit, does not inherently mean, nor should we interpret it as implying that Muta made the Mech with the intent to ALSO operate at human speeds for a whole 17yrs. It was made with fighting in mind, not light strolls with Miwa.

But I do think either interpretation is fine. There's basically nothing explicitly stating one or the other. But, since there's not much to go off, the words used and what's meant for the mech suggest the activity limit is primarily gauging it's charges not overall.

"It uses that as it's field to mobilize it's extra-large output" are implying this accumulation of energy is for the extra-large output, unless we're to believe regular movements are also extra-large output, which shoots down the idea of these regular movements being seconds of cursed energy usage.

"The more months and years charged up, the greater the output." This is furthering the idea that the counter is for those charges, not for regular movement, unless we are to assume again that regular movements are relevant enough to take away from it. Also the panel shown is him doing the One-Year charge, not merely moving.

 

[KingTempest]

iirc, a more reasonable idea was for us to either calculate the physical attacks it does, as these are done in seconds and multiply that by the year charges. Another idea that PowertoScale made was we use Mechmaru's output in his regular mech and multiply that by the years as he does that in a second as well.

Ultimately though I think the hardest hurdle as many have pointed out, is we simply don't know the energy it takes for moving. The 6 days counter never decreases from any of his movements, but he also doesn't move much. So it could be taking 45mins or 29mins or 1hr worth of cursed energy to move and we'd never know.

The human walking speed is also unfounded. Just because it says activity limit, does not inherently mean, nor should we interpret it as implying that Muta made the Mech with the intent to ALSO operate at human speeds for a whole 17yrs. It was made with fighting in mind, not light strolls with Miwa.

But I do think either interpretation is fine. There's basically nothing explicitly stating one or the other. But, since there's not much to go off, the words used and what's meant for the mech suggest the activity limit is primarily gauging it's charges not overall.

"It uses that as it's field to mobilize it's extra-large output" are implying this accumulation of energy is for the extra-large output, unless we're to believe regular movements are also extra-large output, which shoots down the idea of these regular movements being seconds of cursed energy usage.

"The more months and years charged up, the greater the output." This is furthering the idea that the counter is for those charges, not for regular movement, unless we are to assume again that regular movements are relevant enough to take away from it. Also the panel shown is him doing the One-Year charge, not merely moving.

To me tbh the biggest hurdle is that we don't know how much counts as "a second" of CE.

For it just to be on? For the lights and engines to work? The minimum that we're truly even able to account for, it's useless.

It's a feat that isn't intended to be used for scaling to certain things like running and such. Even the energy for a car to be on will increase when you turn on the radio or the AC. That's how this is.

It's not something meant to be accounted for

 

[Rodriiogo]

iirc, a more reasonable idea was for us to either calculate the physical attacks it does, as these are done in seconds and multiply that by the year charges. Another idea that PowertoScale made was we use Mechmaru's output in his regular mech and multiply that by the years as he does that in a second as well.

Ultimately though I think the hardest hurdle as many have pointed out, is we simply don't know the energy it takes for moving. The 6 days counter never decreases from any of his movements, but he also doesn't move much. So it could be taking 45mins or 29mins or 1hr worth of cursed energy to move and we'd never know.

The human walking speed is also unfounded. Just because it says activity limit, does not inherently mean, nor should we interpret it as implying that Muta made the Mech with the intent to ALSO operate at human speeds for a whole 17yrs. It was made with fighting in mind, not light strolls with Miwa.

I do agree that the human walking is actually a low end and it should be much higher since the activity limit is taking into acount the energy he spends while fighting, but I'm not sure the wiki would allow anything other than the bare minimum in this case. Pretty sure that's why the suggestion from TheRustyOne was for walking to be used. (PS: Wouldn't using mechamaru's output also be calc-stacking)

But I do think either interpretation is fine. There's basically nothing explicitly stating one or the other. But, since there's not much to go off, the words used and what's meant for the mech suggest the activity limit is primarily gauging it's charges not overall.

"It uses that as it's field to mobilize it's extra-large output" are implying this accumulation of energy is for the extra-large output, unless we're to believe regular movements are also extra-large output, which shoots down the idea of these regular movements being seconds of cursed energy usage.

It also says it charges itself with the energy of the years aswell. This wouldn't be talking about the charges;

Question: Which translation is even more reliable? Cause the translations from what most of the thread used was this:

Which straight up says the puppet operates on said years energy

"The more months and years charged up, the greater the output." This is furthering the idea that the counter is for those charges, not for regular movement, unless we are to assume again that regular movements are relevant enough to take away from it. Also the panel shown is him doing the One-Year charge, not merely moving.

That is because this text is being used to explain how his charges works not the mecha itself tbf

 

[SunDaGamer]

Another idea that PowertoScale made was we use Mechmaru's output in his regular mech and multiply that by the years as he does that in a second as well.

My calc is outdated (wood does not have a vape value of 25700 J/cc) and hasn't been re-evaluated, it can't be used. Ultra Cannon is also a high-output attack and not standard operation for Mechamaru.

 

[KingTempest]

The whole point isn't that it's 1 sec of just the mech's movements, it's 1 second of CE he produced throughout his life.

How much cursed energy does he produce every second? I doubt it's that damn high