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Jujutsu Kaisen: Mechamaru's Terrible Feat

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Sir, if he's controlling it like a puppet, that means that he's using his own cursed technique for it, which means he's using his own energy for it.
We know the robot uses the saved cursed energy. No one is saying it doesn't. I'm just saying it doesn't use it to MOVE. He uses his puppet technique for that.
Prove that maybe? Cause again:
"The huge output he uses to operate the puppet was obtained by converting the years (...)", your own scan is proving that the years worth of stored cursed energy is what's being used to operate the puppet.
Nothing proves that hes outputting energy at that very moment and this statement in the fanbook just proves that idea wrong, hes using the reserves for both things, if you think otherwise, prove it.

I already answered everything else in other messages really, got nothing more to say unless I see some proof of him outputting ce at that very moment and not using the reserves for both (or any new point gets brought up), I already showed multiple examples and proof of why that isnt the case and have seen 0 evidence otherwise or anything that even supports the idea he uses it with mode absolute.
 
Forgive me, do you know what cursed energy output is?
Cursed energy output is literally the amount of energy you are blasting outwards. Output is literally how much you are exerting in beams and energy blasts and similar things.
AKA, if it's only noted to be utilizes for the cursed energy output, then that's that.

It says that the robot's 17 year energy is used for the cursed energy output.
So if we both admit that the CT is being used to move the robot
And we know that the activity limit is being used for the cursed energy output.
Where is the disconnect?????

This logic of "THIS IS THE ACTIVITY LIMIT" and we literally see how it is being used is just flawed and dumb. The robot functions through Kokichi moving the mf. The energy to keep it on is not the energy required to MOVE IT.
Cursed energy output isn't just CE blast
It applies to CTs as well
 
No I'm saying that even in his normal mode he still uses his puppet technique to release blast of energy

So your argument that he uses his own energy to control the puppet doesn't prove anything
...what do you mean to prove with this?
If anything it proves my point even more because it shows that he's still... CONTROLLING IT WITH HIS OWN ENERGY
And stored energy can be imbued into techniques as well
We have examples in form of Rika and Yuta
So he can just be using the stored CE to power his technique
Bad example. She literally gives him CE and he uses it, or they blast their CE at the same time. Rika is canonically known as a source of energy for whenever he runs low and she is a sentient creature with a relationship with yuta to where they are extensions of themselves. This isn't the same thing as a puppet that you save cursed energy in.
Yuta doesn't activate CTs through CE that isn't in his body.
This would correlate with the Databook which clearly states the puppet is mobilised by the stored cursed energy
And the thread gives it context
Cursed energy output isn't just CE blast
It applies to CTs as well
Everything but moving, got it.
Prove that maybe? Cause again:

Nothing proves that hes outputting energy at that very moment and this statement in the fanbook just proves that idea wrong, hes using the reserves for both things, if you think otherwise, prove it.

I already answered everything else in other messages really, got nothing more to say unless I see some proof of him outputting ce at that very moment and not using the reserves for both (or any new point gets brought up), I already showed multiple examples and proof of why that isnt the case and have seen 0 evidence otherwise or anything that even supports the idea he uses it with mode absolute.
I've already proven it over and over again yall just disagree.

For him to control his robot's motions he utilizes his cursed technique for it.
I am tackling the fact that the thing being calced is him WALKING AROUND as if it uses that energy walking around per second. The energy to operate isn't the energy to move. The energy in the robot can be used for it to turn on that's perfectly fine. For it to MOVE that is all Kokichi.
 
Cursed energy output is literally the amount of energy you are blasting outwards.
That is simply not true, ce output is how much ce you can output... that's it, ce reinforcement for example is also based on your output
same way Kokichi's robot functions, a certain amount of ce is needed to be outputted in order for it to keep moving and functioning, its like electricity (ce is compared to it numerous times)
its the same for his regular puppets, we see mechamaru's communication puppet (that he left after his death) stop functioning once it's ce runs out
It says that the robot's 17 year energy is used for the cursed energy output.
It literally says it's used to operate the robot, not just fire blasts from it
So if we both admit that the CT is being used to move the robot
Kokichi's CT uses his CE to control the puppets
The robot has accumulated over the years CE, which kokichi uses to control the robot, that's his ct. tis all
 
...what do you mean to prove with this?
If anything it proves my point even more because it shows that he's still... CONTROLLING IT WITH HIS OWN ENERGY
It doesn't
CE blast can performed in his normal mode as well
So saying he uses the cursed energy from his own body for the absolute mechamaru instead doesn't prove anything for you
Bad example. She literally gives him CE and he uses it, or they blast their CE at the same time. Rika is canonically known as a source of energy for whenever he runs low and she is a sentient creature with a relationship with yuta to where they are extensions of themselves. This isn't the same thing as a puppet that you save cursed energy in.
Yuta doesn't activate CTs through CE that isn't in his body.
Good example actually
Because the same thing can happen here
The Robot gives cursed energy to mechamaru who uses his puppet manipulation to control it

Cool everything you stated for Rika is the same for mechamaru actually
Probably apart from storing cursed techniques and cursed tools
And the thread gives it context
You can point out the context instead of me looking for it
Everything but moving, got it.
Including moving actually
Ultra spin is an attack that requires high cursed energy output to do and it's just spinning and slicing things

Controlling even normal mechamaru requires high cursed energy output

Manipulating a high-performance puppet capable of precise movements with cursed energy. The puppeteer and the puppet share sight and hearing. The puppet can even talk. Normally, in order to implement high cursed-energy output like Mechamaru, the puppeteer would need to be close to the puppet.
 
That is simply not true, ce output is how much ce you can output... that's it, ce reinforcement for example is also based on your output
same way Kokichi's robot functions, a certain amount of ce is needed to be outputted in order for it to keep moving and functioning, its like electricity (ce is compared to it numerous times)
its the same for his regular puppets, we see mechamaru's communication puppet (that he left after his death) stop functioning once it's ce runs out
CE reinforcement is not based on your output. It's legit just based on how much you have. That's why Yuta's output is noted to be nothing special but his reinforcement is crazy cause of his amount.
Using the amount of CE it requires.
It literally says it's used to operate the robot, not just fire blasts from it

Kokichi's CT uses his CE to control the puppets
The robot has accumulated over the years CE, which kokichi uses to control the robot, that's his ct. tis all
Kokichi's CT uses his CE. It doesn't use any external CE. It uses his own.

I got a question for you Leona.
If you turn on a car, does it use energy? It does through gas right.
Now you still need to manually utilize your own energy to move that car. You need to push pedals, move handles, things of that nature.
The gas is used to operate the vehicle, aka it gives it energy. But the gas alone isn't moving the car. It is the car's own output of energy that moves the car through all of it's machinery and such, even though the gas energy isn't the same amount of joules.

Absolute Mode requires CE for it to turn on. This is true.
But for it to maneuver how it maneuvers, it requires the person's usage of the car.

All of this is exactly why a car utilizes on average 250 watts but it still produces on average like 200 kilojoules of energy. The energy for the vehicle to ACTIVATE isn't the same energy for it to MOVE AROUND.

The energy for it to activate is the saved up energy.
The energy for it to MOVE AROUND is Kokichi's own energy.
 
It doesn't
CE blast can performed in his normal mode as well
So saying he uses the cursed energy from his own body for the absolute mechamaru instead doesn't prove anything for you

Good example actually
Because the same thing can happen here
The Robot gives cursed energy to mechamaru who uses his puppet manipulation to control it

Cool everything you stated for Rika is the same for mechamaru actually
Probably apart from storing cursed techniques and cursed tools

You can point out the context instead of me looking for it

Including moving actually
Ultra spin is an attack that requires high cursed energy output to do and it's just spinning and slicing things

Controlling even normal mechamaru requires high cursed energy output
Why is your entire point regarding a robot 100% controlled by the energy in his own body as proof for why a robot isn't being controlled by the energy in his own body?
 
CE reinforcement is not based on your output. It's legit just based on how much you have. That's why Yuta's output is noted to be nothing special but his reinforcement is crazy cause of his amount.
Using the amount of CE it requires.
If we use this as an argument
Ryu should be less durable than CG Yuta

Hell Gojo should be less durable than Yuta as well

Output influences reinforcement as well as control
 
Actually wait
Good example actually
Because the same thing can happen here
The Robot gives cursed energy to mechamaru who uses his puppet manipulation to control it

Cool everything you stated for Rika is the same for mechamaru actually
Probably apart from storing cursed techniques and cursed tools
This is so wrong.

Where does it say that the robot is PUTTING CURSED ENERGY BACK IN HIS BODY for him to re-use it???
 
Why is your entire point regarding a robot 100% controlled by the energy in his own body as proof for why a robot isn't being controlled by the energy in his own body?
You haven't posted any proof at all
What do you mean "100% controlled by energy in his own body"

The Robot uses Stored energy to operate
 
You haven't posted any proof at all
My entire OP was proof
What do you mean "100% controlled by energy in his own body"

The Robot uses Stored energy to operate
Ultimate Mechamaru, the regular proxy of his cursed energy, utilizes energy in his own personal body to function.
It does not use any energy stored inside of it.
Absolute Mode of Ultimate Mechamaru, the big ass robot, uses stored energy.

Go and read the point I said to Mereoleona and read everything at once instead of replying to 1 1 1 1 1 statements so that you can get all the context so that I don't
 
Actually wait

This is so wrong.

Where does it say that the robot is PUTTING CURSED ENERGY BACK IN HIS BODY for him to re-use it???
Basic logic
The puppet uses the stored Cursed energy to operate
If mechamaru wants to manipulate his puppet using his CT, common sense dictates the CE is used put into his body to activate his technique

Like Tsurugi using the CE of cursed tools to activate simple domains (meaning he runs external CE through the part of the brain controlling Barrier techniques)
 
My entire OP was proof
Has zero scans proving your point
Ultimate Mechamaru, the regular proxy of his cursed energy, utilizes energy in his own personal body to function.
It does not use any energy stored inside of it.
Absolute Mode of Ultimate Mechamaru, the big ass robot, uses stored energy.
Which he uses to operate the robot
Not just firing CE blast
Go and read the point I said to Mereoleona and read everything at once instead of replying to 1 1 1 1 1 statements so that you can get all the context so that I don't
Okay then
 
Basic logic
The puppet uses the stored Cursed energy to operate
If mechamaru wants to manipulate his puppet using his CT, common sense dictates the CE is used put into his body to activate his technique

Like Tsurugi using the CE of cursed tools to activate simple domains (meaning he runs external CE through the part of the brain controlling Barrier techniques)
This is incorrect.
The manga literally states he can output his own cursed energy through his puppets from anywhere in japan. He's the one supplying the puppets, they don't have batteries in their stomach with cursed energy sitting in them.

You aren't even reading, going back and forth with you took up a third of a page of me repeating points. Please read everything I've said before you reply
 
Saw the explanation you have mommy and it doesn't affect my argument

CE stored is to operate the robot not to activate it
 
"Not to activate it".
How do you think it TURNS ON
 
CE reinforcement is not based on your output. It's legit just based on how much you have.
No its not, otherwise Gojo would be vastly inferior in stats to Sukuna or even Yuta actually, what are you saying?
For the same reason Shinjuku Yuta is specifically noted to be tougher than CG Yuta - his reinforcement got better, that would NOT be possible if it was based on just your ce amount, cuz how much ce you have cannot be changed by training or smth
That's why Yuta's output is noted to be nothing special but his reinforcement is crazy cause of his amount.
Yuta's output is still SG lvl, his large amount of CE just allows him to output it AT ALL times and for his WHOLE body, which normal sorcerers cant do as they will run out of CE
Kokichi's CT uses his CE. It doesn't use any external CE. It uses his own.
Yeah. And the robot's accumulated CE is his own.
If you turn on a car, does it use energy? It does through gas right.
Now you still need to manually utilize your own energy to move that car. You need to push pedals, move handles, things of that nature.
The gas is used to operate the vehicle, aka it gives it energy. But the gas alone isn't moving the car. It is the car's own output of energy that moves the car through all of it's machinery and such, even though the gas energy isn't the same amount of jouless.
Sure for a real car maybe, for Kokichi's puppets he clearly can move them with just his mind, he controlled multiple at once on screen, he can even create a post death version of himself that will function on its own
Kokichi controlling how the robot moves =/= Kokichi uses his own energy to keep the robot moving
Kokichi doing gestures the robot then mimics, doesnt mean the robot's movements arent powered by the accumulated ce
 
I'm talking about mode absolute not his normal puppets tbh
Hence why I used Tsurugi as an example
His normal puppets are fueled by his own energy. Like they aren't even just big kaiju mech suits they're literally proxies.
Mode Absolute is not a proxy, it's a mech suit. It turns on through the energy in there, but he pilots it through his own energy.
My fault OG
I meant not just to activate it
Operate means to control, to run or to make something work
What do you think uses energy for the lights in the damn robot to turn on?
Yeah. And the robot's accumulated CE is his own.
I have a question for you.
Why do you think he accumulated it in the robot instead of just holding it in himself?
Cause the storage and output sections capable for the robot are much higher than his own. Or else he wouldn't have the need to accumulate it into the robot.
It's the same type of energy, it's different amounts. small coming from the sorcerer, astronomically large coming from the robot, and the robot's original source is the saved up energy from him.
Sure for a real car maybe, for Kokichi's puppets he clearly can move them with just his mind, he controlled multiple at once on screen, he can even create a post death version of himself that will function on its own
Kokichi controlling how the robot moves =/= Kokichi uses his own energy to keep the robot moving
Kokichi doing gestures the robot then mimics, doesnt mean the robot's movements arent powered by the accumulated ce
Bro what?????

How do you think it mimics??? You think it has an ai ran by the energy in the robot or that he's using his CT to maneuver it.
The motions are controlled BY HIM
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His normal puppets are fueled by his own energy. Like they aren't even just big kaiju mech suits they're literally proxies.
Mode Absolute is not a proxy, it's a mech suit. It turns on through the energy in there, but he pilots it through his own energy.
How does this affect what I'm saying please
Mode absolute is a proxy, it's literally noted to be the same as the others but the only difference is that it's powered by stored cursed energy
What do you think uses energy for the lights in the damn robot to turn on?
Are you blind or did you just not see "Not just activate"?
I'm saying the stored cursed energy isn't only for activating but operating the robot
 
How does this affect what I'm saying please
Mode absolute is a proxy, it's literally noted to be the same as the others but the only difference is that it's powered by stored cursed energy
A proxy is literally "this exists for me, this does everything i do for me", which is why we call people on the site who speak for banned users "proxies".
Ultimate Mechamaru is a proxy because it exists in Kokichi's place. Where Kokichi wants to be, Mechamaru is, that's why he's a proxy. He's him in another location.

Absolute Mode Ultimate Mechamaru is not a damn proxy. It does not exist for him, it is ran by him literally inside of him.
Are you blind or did you just not see "Not just activate"?
I'm saying the stored cursed energy isn't only for activating but operating the robot
Did you not read the car example to where I said none of that matters because although it still TURNS THE ***** ON it isn't directly scaleable to everything the vehicle does because the car's mechanical engineering and the human driving also does work with that.

Gas is also the fuel used to "operate the car", it doesn't mean that it's directly scaleable to the shit that the car does
 
A proxy is literally "this exists for me, this does everything i do for me", which is why we call people on the site who speak for banned users "proxies".
Ultimate Mechamaru is a proxy because it exists in Kokichi's place. Where Kokichi wants to be, Mechamaru is, that's why he's a proxy. He's him in another location.
Fair enough
Absolute Mode Ultimate Mechamaru is not a damn proxy. It does not exist for him, it is ran by him literally inside of him.
It's ran by the Cursed energy stored in it
Did you not read the car example to where I said none of that matters because although it still TURNS THE ***** ON it isn't directly scaleable to everything the vehicle does because the car's mechanical engineering and the human driving also does work with that.

Gas is also the fuel used to "operate the car", it doesn't mean that it's directly scaleable to the shit that the car does
If I getting you correctly
You're saying although the gas is used to power the vehicle, you can't scale it from the work the vehicle does because not all of that energy is converted and applied right?
 
Wait a minute
@KingTempest you were saying Mechamaru is using his own CE for puppet manipulation right?

How then can he use Puppet manipulation techniques like Ultra Cannon using stored CE?
 
Fair enough

It's ran by the Cursed energy stored in it
It is FUELED by the cursed energy stored in it. It is ran by him.
A car is fueled by gas. It is not ran by gas.
It takes energy for a car to be on. That alone uses significant energy. For a car to start working takes more than that.
This is why you don't need. someone to maintain a car when it's on, but you need someone to move it.
If I getting you correctly
You're saying although the gas is used to power the vehicle, you can't scale it from the work the vehicle does because not all of that energy is converted and applied right?
Yes and no. I'm only saying no because I didn't say it in the original OP and i don't like to piggyback off points, but this is a good point too.

Although gas is used to power the vehicle, there are more things being done in order to actually mobilize the vehicle.
So a car turns on through gas, but a person still applies energy to the car in order to generate the energy to move and such.
Instead of it being a car's gears and such that actually move the car, in this scenario it's Kokichi's cursed technique (powered by his cursed energy)
Wait a minute
@KingTempest you were saying Mechamaru is using his own CE for puppet manipulation right?

How then can he use Puppet manipulation techniques like Ultra Cannon using stored CE?
Regarding the ultimate mechamarus, those are powered directly by him. Those are his proxies, they use energy through him. That's why they can also speak through him. He has range that spans all of japan, he can output his energy through them.
 
Regarding the ultimate mechamarus, those are powered directly by him. Those are his proxies, they use energy through him. That's why they can also speak through him. He has range that spans all of japan, he can output his energy through them.
That's not what I'm asking

Puppet manipulation has techniques like Ultra Cannon
You're saying the CE puppet manipulation comes from his body in the case of absolute mechamaru

So why does the CE in the robot deplete when he uses Ultra Cannon?
 
That's not what I'm asking

Puppet manipulation has techniques like Ultra Cannon
You're saying the CE puppet manipulation comes from his body in the case of absolute mechamaru

So why does the CE in the robot deplete when he uses Ultra Cannon?
Cause it's a different version.
It's a super charged one specifically charged by the energy he instilled in the robot for 17 years. That one uses a separate energy source, not the energy coming directly from Kokichi's body like small mechamaru.

The puppet manipulation at its basis comes from his body, but the energy for his larger attacks comes from the energy he already saved in the robot.

That's why he doesn't get winded for using 5 years worth of energy. Using a third of the energy in someone's body would exhaust them
 
Cause it's a different version.
It's a super charged one specifically charged by the energy he instilled in the robot for 17 years. That one uses a separate energy source, not the energy coming directly from Kokichi's body like small mechamaru.
So you agree with me then
The puppet manipulation at its basis comes from his body, but the energy for his larger attacks comes from the energy he already saved in the robot.
No we're not doing that actually
Either the CE puppet manipulation uses comes from his body or it doesn't

You originally didn't have even have evidence of it coming from his body
Now the fact that high output techniques puppet manipulation has uses techniques from the robot works against you

Provide evidence that moving the robot uses CE from the body since I've shown puppet manipulation techniques uses CE from the body

With scans this time preferably
That's why he doesn't get winded for using 5 years worth of energy. Using a third of the energy in someone's body would exhaust them
Good for him
But he isn't using his body as a source so why would he get winded?
 
So you agree with me then

No we're not doing that actually
Either the CE puppet manipulation uses comes from his body or it doesn't

You originally didn't have even have evidence of it coming from his body
Now the fact that high output techniques puppet manipulation has uses techniques from the robot works against you

Provide evidence that moving the robot uses CE from the body since I've shown puppet manipulation techniques uses CE from the body

With scans this time preferably

Good for him
But he isn't using his body as a source so why would he get winded?
dude what are you talking about.

i'm blatantly telling you that he controls every puppet, whether small or giant, from his body, but specifically when he wants to attack with the large one, he makes it known how much energy he wants to draw from the robot and uses that
 
dude what are you talking about.

i'm blatantly telling you that he controls every puppet, whether small or giant, from his body, but specifically when he wants to attack with the large one, he makes it known how much energy he wants to draw from the robot and uses that

You're not understanding unfortunately

You said the CE to use puppet manipulation is from his body
And Ultra Cannon is a technique based on puppet manipulation
So if Ultra Cannon uses CE from the robot meaning you're wrong

So provide evidence for this;
i'm blatantly telling you that he controls every puppet, whether small or giant, from his body, but specifically when he wants to attack with the large one, he makes it known how much energy he wants to draw from the robot and uses that

Cause you're just making claims without evidence
"Well he uses puppet manipulation using his body CE but when he wants to use high output puppet manipulation he uses the Robot CE"

Based on what?
Provide proof
 
You're not understanding unfortunately

You said the CE to use puppet manipulation is from his body
And Ultra Cannon is a technique based on puppet manipulation
So if Ultra Cannon uses CE from the robot meaning you're wrong

So provide evidence for this;


Cause you're just making claims without evidence
"Well he uses puppet manipulation using his body CE but when he wants to use high output puppet manipulation he uses the Robot CE"

Based on what?
Provide proof
He uses puppet manipulation to move the robot. This is the point of the thread.
Regarding the mechanics of the functioning of the robot in itself, it is literally stated that the robot uses its own section of Kokichi's saved up energy. That's the entire point of the robot, to use that big energy.

What are you talking about.

Ultra Cannon only uses Kokichi's energy through small mechamaru because he doesn't have a saved up energy source.
This one does.

It's not that difficult.
 
He uses puppet manipulation to move the robot. This is the point of the thread.
Regarding the mechanics of the functioning of the robot in itself, it is literally stated that the robot uses its own section of Kokichi's saved up energy. That's the entire point of the robot, to use that big energy.
Doesn't address my argument so it's useless to repeat this again
Ultra Cannon only uses Kokichi's energy through small mechamaru because he doesn't have a saved up energy source.
This one does.

It's not that difficult.
Ultra Cannon is literally a technique of puppet manipulation
So provide evidence that only the walking part of puppet manipulation requires CE from the body

I've asked multiple times for proof of your claims and you haven't given any
 
Doesn't address my argument so it's useless to repeat this again

Ultra Cannon is literally a technique of puppet manipulation
So provide evidence that only the walking part of puppet manipulation requires CE from the body

I've asked multiple times for proof of your claims and you haven't given any
What do you think a cursed technique is?
A cursed technique is literally the energy from YOUR OWN BODY.
He uses THE ENERGY FROM HIS OWN BODY to do this shit.
The only time he isn't using the energy from HIS OWN BODY is when he's using the robot MADE TO USE THE ENERGY FROM A SEPARATE SOURCE.
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT, UNLESS YOU WANNA SAY THE 17 YEARS OF ENERGY IS ALL IN HIS BODY.

You're literally arguing about NOTHING.
What do you think he's doing? Calling back the energy he put into the robot to re-enter him so he can use puppet manipulation all over again?
 
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