Jujutsu Kaisen: Mechamaru's Terrible Feat

[KingTempest]

We need to be stricter on calcs and we need verse members to actually check them out as well. This is one of them.

Now I hope that the statement for "a robot which can run for quite some years" isn't being taken as "it can literally SPRINT for years", especially when walking KE was chosen, but I digress.

Kokichi is a sorcerer who controls puppets, which is why his mech suit is wrapped around his fingers without any buttons or anything to utilize the robot, cause he's controlling it himself. The energy that he's using to blast isn't the same energy being used to move. His cursed technique with the energy from his body moves the robot. The energy in his body isn't fueling the energy in the robot, which is why if he wants to make new cursed energy for himself, he can, but the energy for the robot doesn't go back up.

Just to note that I'm not just saying "he can't use big large attacks anymore". The fanbook says "The amount of cursed energy output is determined by how many years are used in the conversion. Because the energy is finite, this method is risky but also immensely powerful." This wouldn't be talking about his regular cursed energy when he can literally crap out more at a whim. It's talking about the cursed energy he spent years saving.

I fell like this needs scans since its the main point of the thread.

The scans in the OP show that the robot is quite literally connected to him through ropes and cords and such that he uses to control it (showing that the energy to move it is from his body), but the energy to actually attack is not, which is why there's no output section around his body, nowhere to connect it, and every time he uses a special attack through his robot that involves the cursed energy of the robot, he has to connect a tube to the machine.
The robot mimics his movements because it's connected to his body if any more proof is needed to show that it moves according to him.

TLDR
Cursed Energy to Blast = Robot Cursed Energy
Cursed Energy to Move = Kokichi's Cursed Energy

You can't scale the movement KE as insignificant when it's charged by something else.

Agree: KingTempest (The OP), Damage3245
Disagree: Duedate8898
IdkIdcIdwtc:

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Neutral

 

[MSahla]

I am IdkIdcIdwtc on this one.

 

[ElJoaki5]

The energy that he's using to blast isn't the same energy being used to move. His cursed technique with the energy from his body moves the robot. The energy in his body isn't fueling the energy in the robot, which is why if he wants to make new cursed energy for himself, he can, but the energy for the robot doesn't go back up.

I fell like this needs scans since its the main point of the thread.

 

[Giannysmag]

This gonna turn into a 10 page thread real quick lol

Anyway I'm neutral leaning towards agree but I'll wait to see what everyone else is saying

 

[KingTempest]

I fell like this needs scans since its the main point of the thread.

The scans in the OP show that the robot is quite literally connected to him through ropes and cords and such that he uses to control it (showing that the energy to move it is from his body), but the energy to actually attack is not, which is why there's no output section around his body, nowhere to connect it, and every time he uses a special attack through his robot that involves the cursed energy of the robot, he has to connect a tube to the machine.
The robot mimics his movements because it's connected to his body if any more proof is needed to show that it moves according to him.

 

[YmTheSuper]

I agree.

And even if we assume that the robot's own cursed energy is what causes it to move rather than Kokichi's cursed energy why is it even assumed in the calculation that the amount of energy that the robot uses to move for one second is equal to the amount of energy Mechamaru accumulated during one second? Because the panel represents the duration he has been accumulating his cursed energy for not how long the robot can walk for.

 

[MrTayman616]

I kinda agree with the thread. I'm not sure about

TLDR
Cursed Energy to Blast = Robot Cursed Energy
Cursed Energy to Move = Kokichi's Cursed Energy

But i don't think it matters much as we can't use the multiplier based on "seconds" for walking/running as we don't really know if walking or running just uses CE worth of a second. The only thing we know is that they spend energy less than a day worth of CE.

So, even if we combined every KE he does that lasts less than a day (unnecessarily long), the result would be way lower since we're dividing the timeframes with 86400 here. (as we'd have to make it based on day count rather than seconds)

 

[ElJoaki5]

I agree.

And even if we ignore whose cursed energy moves the robot and assume that it's from the robot's cursed energy why is it even assumed in the calculation that the amount of energy that the robot uses to move for one second is equal to the amount of energy Mechamaru accumulated during one second? Because the panel represents the duration he has been accumulating his cursed energy for not how long the robot can walk for.

The panel shows the activity limit (How long it can run for) of the robot.

 

[Da3ggman]

Count me as agreeing

 

[Rodriiogo]

Kill JJK
I think thread is missing the point of Mode Absolute as a whole but correct me if I'm wrong.

Mode Absolute wastes alot of cursed energy just to stay active due to how big of a puppet it is, Kokichi is not used to outputting that level of energy per second like he does with Ultimate Mechamaru's regular body, so, during the years he spent restrained, he kept developing Mode Absolute as a last-resort option, Mahito even gets shocked he had so much time to do that. During that time, he continuously was outputting extremely high levels of cursed energy, to charge the robot’s power supply. As a result, the robot accumulated enough energy (electricity, just to be more blatant) to remain active for 17 years, 5 months and 6 days before running out of energy.

The one year charges are indeed sacrificing the "Robot's CE to walk" in a way as it is sacrificing it's activity time. (It's said right on the panel)

"Activity Limit: 17Y 5M 6D" ; Why would it say this if it's an external source of energy that isn't the one he uses to function/walk.

When Kokichi is using Mode Absolute's year charges, he is sacrificing that long-term activity time by converting years worth of energy that the robot would need to stay active into singular high potency attacks.

To put it in an analogy: Imagine your phone has enough battery to last said 17 years before running out of battery, now imagine you grab one year worth of electrical energy of said battery and blast someone with it. The output of said electricity would be the energy needed for your phone to stay on every second times 3.154e+7 (Seconds in a year)

The scans in the OP show that the robot is quite literally connected to him through ropes and cords and such that he uses to control it (showing that the energy to move it is from his body), but the energy to actually attack is not, which is why there's no output section around his body, nowhere to connect it, and every time he uses a special attack through his robot that involves the cursed energy of the robot, he has to connect a tube to the machine.
The robot mimics his movements because it's connected to his body if any more proof is needed to show that it moves according to him.

As for this, this is wrong. Those tubes are special because they were also things he prepared (to which he only prepared four) with alot of cursed energy but also imbued with his own technique to not only make them even stronger but also allows him to damage Mahito's soul via his simple domain and is shown to be superior to his own mode absolute body as it even exploded his finger alongside it. So those are not at all the same thing.

CT Tubes /=/ Mode Absolute and CT Tubes /=/ Year Charges, you are mixing them together for some reason.

 

[YmTheSuper]

The panel shows the activity limit (How long it can run for) of the robot.

It's more so a label that representing the amount of cursed energy that Kokichi accumulated by unit of time rather than a countdown timer that shows for how much longer the robot can work (for example the 17 years represent the amount of cursed energy accumulated by him during 17 years rather than the amount of energy the robot would spend in 17 years if it was walking continuously). Basically think of it as a panel that showcases the quantity of cursed energy left rather than a timer. Because what you are saying is that the amount of energy that Kokichi has been saving each second for his whole life equals the amount of energy spent by the robot each seconds while it's running.

 

[KingTempest]

Just to nip this in the bud

As for this, this is wrong. Those tubes are special because they were also things he prepared (to which he only prepared four) with alot of cursed energy but also imbued with his own technique to not only make them even stronger but also allows him to damage Mahito's soul via his simple domain and is shown to be superior to his own mode absolute body as it even exploded his finger alongside it. So those are not at all the same thing.

CT Tubes /=/ Mode Absolute and CT Tubes /=/ Year Charges, you are mixing them together for some reason.

that's a tube that contains a simple domain... what does that have to do with anything... it's literally an example of where he DOESNT use the energy of the robot

The purpose of this point was to show that there is a difference between "What the robot can do through kokichi's control vs what it can do with extras" to signify that there is a difference between the usage of the megarobot's technique usage and his own as a way to enforce "his body ≠ robot body and his capabilities ≠ robot capabilities", not to say that every single beam or usage of the robot requires the tube. That's the reason as to why I said special attack, which i should've been clearer on.

This is literally the most insignificant point in the thread. Let's not focus on this PLEASE, and please let's not restate points others have said, it just clogs the thread up

 

[Rodriiogo]

The purpose of this point was to show that there is a difference between "What the robot can do through kokichi's control vs what it can do with extras" to signify that there is a difference between the usage of the megarobot's technique usage and his own as a way to enforce "his body ≠ robot body and his capabilities ≠ robot capabilities", not to say that every single beam or usage of the robot requires the tube. That's the reason as to why I said special attack, which i should've been clearer on.

Yea and I was just telling you this example fails to prove this applies to anything other than the domain tubes therefore using it as an example to prove anything for the year charges doesn't work since he doesn't do the same with them.

If you think it's a useless point then why did you add it to the OP itself, I was just addressing the OP in full.

 

[KingTempest]

Yea and I was just telling you this example fails to prove this applies to anything other than the domain tubes therefore using it as an example to prove anything for the year charges doesn't work since he doesn't do the same with them.

If you think it's a useless point then why did you add it to the OP itself, I was just addressing the OP in full.

I appreciate the clarification then

I wanted to make sure every piece of evidence was in here. It's not useless it's just the least useful point and it got 2 comments in 5 minutes, we know how these threads go

 

[MusicRelaxing]

Apparently every JJK CRT between Rodriigo and KT:

 

[KingTempest]

Kill JJK
I think thread is missing the point of Mode Absolute as a whole but correct me if I'm wrong.

Mode Absolute wastes alot of cursed energy just to stay active due to how big of a puppet it is, Kokichi is not used to outputting that level of energy per second like he does with Ultimate Mechamaru's regular body, so, during the years he spent restrained, he kept developing Mode Absolute as a last-resort option, Mahito even gets shocked he had so much time to do that. During that time, he continuously was outputting extremely high levels of cursed energy, to charge the robot’s power supply. As a result, the robot accumulated enough energy (electricity, just to be more blatant) to remain active for 17 years, 5 months and 6 days before running out of energy.

The one year charges are indeed sacrificing the "Robot's CE to walk" in a way as it is sacrificing it's activity time. (It's said right on the panel)

"Activity Limit: 17Y 5M 6D" ; Why would it say this if it's an external source of energy that isn't the one he uses to function/walk.

When Kokichi is using Mode Absolute's year charges, he is sacrificing that long-term activity time by converting years worth of energy that the robot would need to stay active into singular high potency attacks.

To put it in an analogy: Imagine your phone has enough battery to last said 17 years before running out of battery, now imagine you grab one year worth of electrical energy of said battery and blast someone with it. The output of said electricity would be the energy needed for your phone to stay on every second times 3.154e+7 (Seconds in a year)

What you're saying is right but it doesn't specifically pertain to the revision at hand.

The revision is because there are 2 power sources at play whenever Mode Absolute is being used. The Cursed Energy saved over the 17 years, and the cursed energy he has on himself at the time.

The cursed energy he has in himself at the time is how he maneuvers and manages the actual robot. That's what the OP is trying to prove. The calc uses the energy the robot uses per second to calculate the full yield.
Meanwhile, the robot uses those energy blasts through the saved up cursed energy. It's a separate power source, albeit same power system.

The energy he saved is how he blasts those shots, the energy he owns in himself is how he moves around

 

[Duedate8898]

I'm failing to see where the series establishes that Mechimaru is utilizing his bodies CE to move his Mech but stored up energy for its attack. In none of the scans you provided or my own reading of chapter is this idea ever brought up.

I don't currently agree with OP.

 

[VoidGoji]

agree with the downgrade to 10-c

 

[BiggestOpp]

I’ve shared my complaints with this feat before so I obviously agree.
I’d like to mention 2 things:
1. In the fan book it does hard confirm that the stored CE is only used for the big blasts of energy.
Idk if it’s wonky translation or what ever
“The amount of cursed energy output is determined by how many years are used in the conversion. Because the energy is finite, this method is risky but also immensely powerful.”
“The huge output he uses to operate the puppet was obtained by converting the years that he lived bound by a Heavenly Restriction into cursed energy.”
The run time used in the calculation banks on the assumption that it’s the total time the robot can operate with normal movements before running out of CE (which in of itself is a bold claim) but the fan book tells us the run time is simply the amount of time he’s spent storing up this CE.

2. The original calc assumes that regular movements take up 1second worth of CE, this is baseless.
Even if you assume each action took up 2s the total value gets halved.
We don’t know how much time it would take up (assuming the run time works like that calc assumes) so it’s impossible to determine whether or not it’s 1, 2, 3 seconds, hell even several minutes worth of CE being used.

Agree with KT.

 

[KingTempest]

I'm failing to see where the series establishes that Mechimaru is utilizing his bodies CE to move his Mech but stored up energy for its attack. In none of the scans you provided or my own reading of chapter is this idea ever brought up.

Kokichi is a sorcerer who controls puppets, which is why his mech suit is wrapped around his fingers without any buttons or anything to utilize the robot, cause he's controlling it himself. The energy that he's using to blast isn't the same energy being used to move. His cursed technique with the energy from his body moves the robot. The energy in his body isn't fueling the energy in the robot, which is why if he wants to make new cursed energy for himself, he can, but the energy for the robot doesn't go back up.

The fact that it's another ginormous ass mechamaru should make it easy enough to believe but yeah.

Supporting evidence for why it's functioned by him, when mahito used his domain on him, he faked his death by letting the giant robot drop. If it was ran by already existing cursed energy and it lacked control from him, his motions or CT or the lack thereof wouldn't dictate the movement of the robot.

 

[Duedate8898]

The fact that it's another ginormous ass mechamaru should make it easy enough to believe but yeah.

Supporting evidence for why it's functioned by him, when mahito used his domain on him, he faked his death by letting the giant robot drop. If it was ran by already existing cursed energy and it lacked control from him, his motions or CT or the lack thereof wouldn't dictate the movement of the robot.

No it shouldn't. If we're shown him inside a mech which then shows a stated power source which is then explained to us, Then I see no reason not to assume that the mech in its entirety relies upon the year chargers over his own CE for movement. Unless the series itself is making a clear line between these two sources

 

[KingTempest]

No it shouldn't. If we're shown him inside a mech which then shows a stated power source which is then explained to us, Then I see no reason not to assume that the mech in its entirety relies upon the year chargers over his own CE for movement. Unless the series itself is making a clear line between these two sources

There is never a stated power source for the whole mech, there is only a stated power source for the energy beams.
I see no reason not to assume that the big ass puppet modeled after a smaller cursed technique controlled puppet isn't being controlled by the dude who controls puppets.

There's no levers or buttons or anything. The whole robot is controlled by Kokichi and his cursed technique. That's why he can make it move without having to touch anything mechanic unless you think he's Kuvira controlling it by moving the metal with his mind. He literally has 2 sets of cords connected to his hands yet he can tell it to run jump punch dodge fall any and everything. It's obvious he's using his cursed technique to control it, and if he's using his cursed technique to control it, it means he's using the cursed energy in his body to control it.

 

[Rodriiogo]

What you're saying is right but it doesn't specifically pertain to the revision at hand.

The revision is because there are 2 power sources at play whenever Mode Absolute is being used. The Cursed Energy saved over the 17 years, and the cursed energy he has on himself at the time.

The cursed energy he has in himself at the time is how he maneuvers and manages the actual robot. That's what the OP is trying to prove. The calc uses the energy the robot uses per second to calculate the full yield.
Meanwhile, the robot uses those energy blasts through the saved up cursed energy. It's a separate power source, albeit same power system.

The energy he saved is how he blasts those shots, the energy he owns in himself is how he moves around

First off that isn't true? There is literally no proof of this, and, if Kokichi was indeed powering mode absolute's functions with a separate power source, then the year charges wouldn't lower it's Activity Limit as I already brought up. It makes no sense for him to be constantly powering it with his own energy apart from the year charges yet it's activity limit gets lowered because of it.

As extra proof that I forgot, Kokichi even says this:

The robot would indeed just fall once those years worth of energy are finished as it is functioning on them aswell. He's controlling the robot like a puppet yes but he isn't actively giving it his energy since the robot already has those years to use which is what makes it extremely useful and allows Kokichi to just constantly use simple domain on Mahito to damage him and even defend himself from Mahito's domain with it aswell.

Second off, even if Kokichi was somehow powering the robot constantly on his own (you'd still need to prove this), as I already proved (and I think you just agreed), the energy being used for the year charges are indeed one year worth of energy that the robot would use to stay active as the manga blatantly shows with the "activity limit" text. So even if hes not actively using that energy at that moment to function, those 17 years are indeed 17 years of energy that he can use to stay active for that long, making the calculation right regardless.

2. The original calc assumes that regular movements take up 1second worth of CE, this is baseless.
Even if you assume each action took up 2s the total value gets halved.
We don’t know how much time it would take up (assuming the run time works like that calc assumes) so it’s impossible to determine whether or not it’s 1, 2, 3 seconds, hell even several minutes worth of CE being used.

And just to address this here, that's not what the calc is saying.
The calc is calculating the energy needed that the robot would take to stay active every second for those 17 years, 5 months and 6 days and applying it to the energy of the year charges as that's what the charges use. They sacrifice his activity limit by turning energy he could use to stay active into attacks. Walking is being used as the energy it would need to have per second to function as normal for over 17 years before actually running out of energy which is completely logical lmao. Just like, if a phone can "not run out of battery for 17 years", the calculation would be each second of energy it takes to stay with it's screen active times the 17 years in seconds.

 

[BiggestOpp]

And just to address this here, that's not what the calc is saying.

That’s literally what the calc is saying though.
I don’t understand why you’re being difficult about that, that’s literally what the calc is doing.

Energy from walking

Human walking speed is 1.4 m/s

Speed: 1.4*10.785483871/1.7 = 8.88216318788 m/s

KE: 1/2*12428.922592* 8.88216318788^2 = 490276.39442 J

Attack Potency​

Multiplying by time

One Year Charge​

490276.39442*3.154e+7 = 1.5463317e+13 J

This is from the calc, the KE from him walking is being multiplied by the amount of seconds in a year.
The logic only works if you assume walking takes 1sec worth of energy (literally what the calc is doing) which I believe is viable.

The calc is calculating the energy needed that the robot would take to stay active every second for those 17 years, 5 months and 6 days and applying it to the energy of the year charges as that's what the charges use.

Are you purposely trying to p mislead people on the principle of the calc?
Am I clicking on the wrong link?
This isn’t what the calc does at all.
Fort starters that’s impossible to calculate without direct numbers given to the audience. The energy produced by it walking is not the same energy that’d be produce from it simply being active (turned on and its systems operating) those are two separate activities.

• Turning an engine on and having the car running requires fuel

Making the car produce movements and drive (Mechumaru walking) and such requires even more fuel. These are two different activities which require different levels of fuel to operate.
For a second let’s assume your interpretation on how the activity limit work is correct (it’s not) and its based how long it can be active with the CE, the calc literally falls apart. That’s how long the machine would stay running before turning off, things like the lights and dashboard functions, computer systems etc etc.

This is all assuming your idea of what’s going on is true.
It’s not, the databook clearly states that the Activity Limit is the total CE he’s stored over the years, not a calculation derived from how long the machine can operate via basic functions.
It’s telling us how much CE he’s stored in a format of time and that is the limit of how much he can use.
It doesn’t get much clearer than that.
Even if you somehow argue against KT and debunk his arguments, the issues I’ve laid down exists and need to be properly addressed.
I for the life of me do not understand how that logic passed.

 

[Rodriiogo]

I will answer this as simple as possible since you just repeated points already addressed lmao.

That’s literally what the calc is saying though.
I don’t understand why you’re being difficult about that, that’s literally what the calc is doing.

The walking is being used as a function that he would need to have across the 17 years is it that hard to understand lol? It was literally talked about in the literally comments of the calc itself, go read it, it being able to operate through years without any charging already means it can at least walk for said years as that's literally how robots work man. It's literally how we get the electricity needed to power giant robots in the wiki.

Fort starters that’s impossible to calculate without direct numbers given to the audience. The energy produced by it walking is not the same energy that’d be produce from it simply being active (turned on and its systems operating) those are two separate activities.

• Turning an engine on and having the car running requires fuel

Making the car produce movements and drive (Mechumaru walking) and such requires even more fuel. These are two different activities which require different levels of fuel to operate.
For a second let’s assume your interpretation on how the activity limit work is correct (it’s not) and its based how long it can be active with the CE, the calc literally falls apart. That’s how long the machine would stay running before turning off, things like the lights and dashboard functions, computer systems etc etc.

Then it wouldn't be active? If it literally can't even walk with that energy per second then it literally wouldn't function, it would be tied down like it has been across all the years. Why are you purposefully downplaying the calc? It's the activity limit for a ROBOT. A robot is not active if it can't even walk. This is downplay for the sake of downplay atp man. I recommend you, again, to just read the comments of the calc where this was agreed by CGMs.

This is all assuming your idea of what’s going on is true.
It’s not, the databook clearly states that the Activity Limit is the total CE he’s stored over the years, not a calculation derived from how long the machine can operate via basic functions.
It’s telling us how much CE he’s stored in a format of time and that is the limit of how much he can use.
It doesn’t get much clearer than that.
Even if you somehow argue against KT and debunk his arguments, the issues I’ve laid down exists and need to be properly addressed.
I for the life of me do not understand how that logic passed.

You can not be serious, "Activity limit" with a time next to it, by PURE LOGIC, should already tell you what that energy is, how are you jumping over it like it's a hurdle. Yea it is the ce hes stored over the years... FOR POWER MODE ABSOLUTE TO FUNCTION. Mahito quite literally notes that even before he used any year charges, he must have been working on it for a long time, and so does Kokichi.

The 17 years worth of energy were for THE ROBOT TO FUNCTION, however he can also use said energy to blast people with X time amount of energy that the robot would normally use to function. That's why the guidebook says its risky, if he uses too much the robot will literally fall since it wont have any more energy to function. There's no separate CE source, stop making your own story man.

I love how you showed this statement and underlined the "Important part":

“The huge output he uses to operate the puppet was obtained by converting the years that he lived bound by a Heavenly Restriction into cursed energy.”

Let's read the first part, will we? "The huge output he uses to operate the puppet was obtained by converting the years (...)", your own scan is proving that the years worth of stored cursed energy is what's being used to operate the puppet. So yea thank you.

 

[MrTayman616]

I'm failing to see where the series establishes that Mechimaru is utilizing his bodies CE to move his Mech but stored up energy for its attack. In none of the scans you provided or my own reading of chapter is this idea ever brought up.

I don't currently agree with OP.

This isn't the only thing though.

The calc assumes just staying active and walking uses the same amount of energy (basically claiming walking doesn't even use extra energy).

That's not something we know or can claim.

I kinda agree with the thread. I'm not sure about


But i don't think it matters much as we can't use the multiplier based on "seconds" for walking/running as we don't really know if walking or running just uses CE worth of a second. The only thing we know is that they spend energy less than a day worth of CE.

So, even if we combined every KE he does that lasts less than a day (unnecessarily long), the result would be way lower since we're dividing the timeframes with 86400 here. (as we'd have to make it based on day count rather than seconds)

 

[Rodriiogo]

This isn't the only thing though.

The calc assumes just staying active and walking uses the same amount of energy (basically claiming walking doesn't even use extra energy).

That's not something we know or can claim.

Pretty sure it has been agreed by the CGMs as the bare minimum in the context that it is a robot that can operate/remain active for X time without charging. (Unless standards changed since then, if so then just switch the calc to whatever standarads are used now ig)

And the whole context is that the activity time is being used, if the robot can't even move then it literally isn't active

 

[MrTayman616]

Pretty sure it has been agreed by the CGMs as the bare minimum in the context that it is a robot that can operate/remain active for X time without charging. (Unless standards changed since then)

And the whole context is that the activity time is being used, if the robot can't even move then it literally isn't active

Huh? Is your pc not active when you start it but don't press a button? Just staying active alone is something that uses energy. There are still panels and systems where it shows how much energy is left and etc.

Right now, the assumption believes walking uses the same output of CE as staying active without any real reason. So we can just use running as well? or any physical feat?

I think asking calc group members again would be better.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Huh? Is your pc not active when you start it but don't press a button? Just staying active alone is something that uses energy. There are still panels and systems where it shows how much energy is left and etc.

Right now, the assumption believes walking uses the same output of CE as staying active without any real reason. So we can just use running as well? or any physical feat?

I think asking calc group members again would be better.

The issue with that interpretation would be that it is tracking time which should work like a fuel or battery indicator. It wouldn't be tracking its idling time, that's illogical. Your phone for example, the time it tracks that it has of how much its remaining battery can last is always taking into account SoT (Screen-on time), same goes for a PC, which your example is wrong, your PC even if you don't press a button is still constantly processing and loading stuff in the background, as that's it's basic functions, Mechamaru's function is more of like an Electric car, which, despite it wasting battery when idling, the time it tracks on "Battery left" is taking into account the function it does (Driving in a car's case, Fighting in Mechamaru's).
- Phones do it with SoT (Screen-on time) and app consumption;
- Electric car do it with driving battery waste alongside time;
- PCs do it with everything they process in the background alongside it's running of Apps for the user;
Mechamaru's time would be taking into account fight, or at least, basic functions. Especially since at that point in time Kokichi was using it to fight and literally destroyed the ground and emerged from the river right after awakening. If Mechamaru's time was only taking on "idling energy waste", when he started fighting the time would go from "17 years" to a lower number automatically cause mechamaru would be processing way more energy than when idling, but it doesn't.

TLDR: Mechamaru is logically tracking the battery/activity time it has to do fight, or at least basic necessities, as that's how battery/energy indicators work. Walking is the simplest activity he can do so it's the one being used as the one at bare minimum.

Edit: Oh and I sent this already but sending it again cause it supports my point, Kokichi still says he has 9 years left to fight Geto (he used year charges on mahito), he's not idling, it makes no sense for the years to only be taking into account "idling time left".

 

[Buraqibear]

Agree with Rodrii's points here and disagree with the post. Also can mods vote their own threads lol? This feels like a schizopost

 

[Mommyleona]

Shouldn't this be a calc group discussion

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

I mean doesn't the Databook state this;

The puppet that Koichi Muta uses as his last resort is a giant armored puppet that the puppeteer rides in. It charges itself with the cursed energy from the months and years that the puppeteer has spent restricted by the Heavenly Restriction. It uses that as its field to mobilize with extra-large output.

I think everything is powered by the energy spent while heavenly restricted

Except probably those tubes tho

 

[AyOgUyS]

My thoughts are the same as Rodriiogo's

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[KingTempest]

First off that isn't true? There is literally no proof of this, and, if Kokichi was indeed powering mode absolute's functions with a separate power source, then the year charges wouldn't lower it's Activity Limit as I already brought up. It makes no sense for him to be constantly powering it with his own energy apart from the year charges yet it's activity limit gets lowered because of it.

As extra proof that I forgot, Kokichi even says this:

The robot would indeed just fall once those years worth of energy are finished as it is functioning on them aswell. He's controlling the robot like a puppet yes but he isn't actively giving it his energy since the robot already has those years to use which is what makes it extremely useful and allows Kokichi to just constantly use simple domain on Mahito to damage him and even defend himself from Mahito's domain with it aswell.

Second off, even if Kokichi was somehow powering the robot constantly on his own (you'd still need to prove this), as I already proved (and I think you just agreed), the energy being used for the year charges are indeed one year worth of energy that the robot would use to stay active as the manga blatantly shows with the "activity limit" text. So even if hes not actively using that energy at that moment to function, those 17 years are indeed 17 years of energy that he can use to stay active for that long, making the calculation right regardless.

Sir, if he's controlling it like a puppet, that means that he's using his own cursed technique for it, which means he's using his own energy for it.
We know the robot uses the saved cursed energy. No one is saying it doesn't. I'm just saying it doesn't use it to MOVE. He uses his puppet technique for that.

And just to address this here, that's not what the calc is saying.
The calc is calculating the energy needed that the robot would take to stay active every second for those 17 years, 5 months and 6 days and applying it to the energy of the year charges as that's what the charges use. They sacrifice his activity limit by turning energy he could use to stay active into attacks. Walking is being used as the energy it would need to have per second to function as normal for over 17 years before actually running out of energy which is completely logical lmao. Just like, if a phone can "not run out of battery for 17 years", the calculation would be each second of energy it takes to stay with it's screen active times the 17 years in seconds.

That’s literally what the calc is saying though.
I don’t understand why you’re being difficult about that, that’s literally what the calc is doing.


This is from the calc, the KE from him walking is being multiplied by the amount of seconds in a year.
The logic only works if you assume walking takes 1sec worth of energy (literally what the calc is doing) which I believe is viable.

Are you purposely trying to p mislead people on the principle of the calc?
Am I clicking on the wrong link?
This isn’t what the calc does at all.
Fort starters that’s impossible to calculate without direct numbers given to the audience. The energy produced by it walking is not the same energy that’d be produce from it simply being active (turned on and its systems operating) those are two separate activities.

• Turning an engine on and having the car running requires fuel

Making the car produce movements and drive (Mechumaru walking) and such requires even more fuel. These are two different activities which require different levels of fuel to operate.
For a second let’s assume your interpretation on how the activity limit work is correct (it’s not) and its based how long it can be active with the CE, the calc literally falls apart. That’s how long the machine would stay running before turning off, things like the lights and dashboard functions, computer systems etc etc.

This is all assuming your idea of what’s going on is true.
It’s not, the databook clearly states that the Activity Limit is the total CE he’s stored over the years, not a calculation derived from how long the machine can operate via basic functions.
It’s telling us how much CE he’s stored in a format of time and that is the limit of how much he can use.
It doesn’t get much clearer than that.
Even if you somehow argue against KT and debunk his arguments, the issues I’ve laid down exists and need to be properly addressed.
I for the life of me do not understand how that logic passed.

He tackled this better than me tbh

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Sir, if he's controlling it like a puppet, that means that he's using his own cursed technique for it, which means he's using his own energy for it.
We know the robot uses the saved cursed energy. No one is saying it doesn't. I'm just saying it doesn't use it to MOVE. He uses his puppet technique for that.

He also uses his puppet technique to fire CE blasts so this point low-key doesn't affect what bro's saying

Also;

I mean doesn't the Databook state this;


I think everything is powered by the energy spent while heavenly restricted

Except probably those tubes tho

The stored energy is used as a field to mobilise the puppet
So it doesn't just apply to blasts but to everything concerning the puppet

 

[KingTempest]

He also uses his puppet technique to fire CE blasts so this point low-key doesn't affect what bro's saying

He uses his puppet technique to utilize the energy release of his mega puppet in order to blast the saved energy.
I mean no disrespect but is it that complicated?
He controls the regular movements of the robot with his puppet technique, and when he wants to use the saved energy to blast he does

 

[ElJoaki5]

The argument the CRT has for claiming Absolute Mechamaru is powered by Kokichi's own CE is that Kokichi is controlling the robot with his CT… Yeah that’s literally the whole argument.


That doesn’t make the calc invalid
The screen shows the activity limit of the robot. The activity limit of a machine represents the amount of time it can operate for until it runs out of energy. This would include moving, for example.

So what you say doesn’t matter. Even if he wasn’t powering it, the robot would still have enough energy to run for years, as thats what an activity limit means. An attack taking a year off that time limit means that that attack had enough energy to give energy to the robot for a whole year. Muta powering the robot's movement himself or not is irrelevant.

And it also doesn’t matter if this time is stated to be the time Mechamaru has been tied up by heavenly restriction. That doesn’t mean it can’t also be the activity limit, these are not mutually exclusive things. They are the same in fact, as is shown.




That isn’t true
And the former is if we consider what you said to be true, cause while it's true that Kokichi controls the robot, that doesn’t necessarily mean he also generates the energy for it to move, that is a leap in logic. Specially when it’s shown this isn’t the case.

• "The huge output he uses to operate the puppet was obtained by converting the years that he lived bound by a Heavenly Restriction into Cursed Energy." So the energy Kokichi uses to operate/control the robot isn’t from him but from the energy he saved up.
• When were shown the activity limit of the robot, Kokichi states that it is the energy accumulated from rotting away in his heavenly restriction. As I said before, the activity limit shows how long the robot can move for and Kokichi is saying this is thanks to the energy he accumulated.
• Other than that, the fanbook also says year charges are risky because the energy the robot has is finite. If Kokichi could just keep the robot running with his own ce this wouldnt make sense.

 

[KingTempest]

The argument the CRT has for claiming Absolute Mechamaru is powered by Kokichi's own CE is that Kokichi is controlling the robot with his CT… Yeah that’s literally the whole argument.


That doesn’t make the calc invalid
The screen shows the activity limit of the robot. The activity limit of a machine represents the amount of time it can operate for until it runs out of energy. This would include moving, for example.

So what you say doesn’t matter. Even if he wasn’t powering it, the robot would still have enough energy to run for years, as thats what an activity limit means. An attack taking a year off that time limit means that that attack had enough energy to give energy to the robot for a whole year. Muta powering the robot's movement himself or not is irrelevant.

And it also doesn’t matter if this time is stated to be the time Mechamaru has been tied up by heavenly restriction. That doesn’t mean it can’t also be the activity limit, these are not mutually exclusive things. They are the same in fact, as is shown.




That isn’t true
And the former is if we consider what you said to be true, cause while it's true that Kokichi controls the robot, that doesn’t necessarily mean he also generates the energy for it to move, that is a leap in logic. Specially when it’s shown this isn’t the case.

• "The huge output he uses to operate the puppet was obtained by converting the years that he lived bound by a Heavenly Restriction into Cursed Energy." So the energy Kokichi uses to operate/control the robot isn’t from him but from the energy he saved up.
• When were shown the activity limit of the robot, Kokichi states that it is the energy accumulated from rotting away in his heavenly restriction. As I said before, the activity limit shows how long the robot can move for and Kokichi is saying this is thanks to the energy he accumulated.
• Other than that, the fanbook also says year charges are risky because the energy the robot has is finite. If Kokichi could just keep the robot running with his own ce this wouldnt make sense.

Forgive me, do you know what cursed energy output is?
Cursed energy output is literally the amount of energy you are blasting outwards. Output is literally how much you are exerting in beams and energy blasts and similar things.
AKA, if it's only noted to be utilizes for the cursed energy output, then that's that.

It says that the robot's 17 year energy is used for the cursed energy output.
So if we both admit that the CT is being used to move the robot
And we know that the activity limit is being used for the cursed energy output.
Where is the disconnect?????

This logic of "THIS IS THE ACTIVITY LIMIT" and we literally see how it is being used is just flawed and dumb. The robot functions through Kokichi moving the mf. The energy to keep it on is not the energy required to MOVE IT.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

He uses his puppet technique to utilize the energy release of his mega puppet in order to blast the saved energy.
I mean no disrespect but is it that complicated?
He controls the regular movements of the robot with his puppet technique, and when he wants to use the saved energy to blast he does

No I'm saying that even in his normal mode he still uses his puppet technique to release blast of energy

So your argument that he uses his own energy to control the puppet doesn't prove anything

And stored energy can be imbued into techniques as well
We have examples in form of Rika and Yuta
So he can just be using the stored CE to power his technique

This would correlate with the Databook which clearly states the puppet is mobilised by the stored cursed energy