Dragon Ball: Low 1-C Neutral Space

[TiltedFN]

Alrighty. Thought it would at least be a range feat but seems not

The world of void isn't the same as the neutral zone. That's why it doesn't change anything.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Man, I’m telling you that destroying a small five-dimensional structure counts as at least a 2-A feat, because even the smallest 5D structure contains an infinite number of spacetime structures.

No, they do not. A fifth-dimensional structure just means it has five spatial axis, but does not indicate it contains infinite 4D space times. For example, a cube that is 1 foot x 1 foot x 1 foot does not contain a transfinite number of 2-D planes, as the cube itself is of finite size. It's larger than a 2-D plane, but the ratio between them can't be conceptualized as you're implying. It's why on the wiki we only treat objects that are 3-B or higher as counting as sufficiently sized for a time axis.

For example, we have a four-dimensional timeline that contains within it an uncountably infinite number of three-dimensional universes, and it also contains an uncountably infinite number of two-dimensional and one-dimensional structures, and so on. This is because every fraction of a second is a complete snapshot of a three-dimensional universe, and a single second itself can be subdivided into infinitely many parts, each of which contains a full image of the universe. Destroying even a small part of a four-dimensional timeline therefore counts as a High 3-A feat,

Your math doesn't work out for this reason. A 3-A snapshot is just 3-A. Unless you destroy an infinite amount of those 3-A snapshots, you will never reach High 3-A as you're destroying finite volumes of material. For a fifth spatial axis to hold a infinite 4D plane, it's X, Y, Z, and N^1 dimensions are also required to be infinite. Destroying a small section is therefore not an infinite 4D feat.

Additionally, you couldn't even get 2-A from that fifth axis unless you (somehow) destroy an infinite number of them at the same time.

We have the five-dimensional Neutral Zone surrounding all 12 universes. A clash between two Gods of Destruction would result in the annihilation of both universes and a portion of the Neutral Zone between them. That portion alone is five-dimensional, and even if it is small, destroying it would be considered a 2-A feat, because the smallest part of a higher-dimensional structure contains an infinite number of lower-dimensional structures within it. To form even a small five-dimensional structure, you need to stack an uncountably infinite number of four-dimensional structures to create it.

What you have is a 2-C spatial zone separating two collected 2-C space-time zones. Beerus and Champa would be required to erase the Neutral Zone in the space-time level to get the upgrade you're suggesting, which is not remotely suggested in their clash.

Based on your comments, I don't think you understand how our tiering system works in regards to space-time structures. What you're suggesting only works if Beerus and Champa temporally erased a chunk of the Neutral Zone.

 

[Mbpoops]

The world of void isn't the same as the neutral zone. That's why it doesn't change anything.

Aaaaah i see i was mixing the two up mb all

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Great job, I agree

 

[Azertyhuuh]

No, they do not. A fifth-dimensional structure just means it has five spatial axis, but does not indicate it contains infinite 4D space times. For example, a cube that is 1 foot x 1 foot x 1 foot does not contain a transfinite number of 2-D planes, as the cube itself is of finite size. It's larger than a 2-D plane, but the ratio between them can't be conceptualized as you're implying. It's why on the wiki we only treat objects that are 3-B or higher as counting as sufficiently sized for a time axis.

Your math doesn't work out for this reason. A 3-A snapshot is just 3-A. Unless you destroy an infinite amount of those 3-A snapshots, you will never reach High 3-A as you're destroying finite volumes of material. For a fifth spatial axis to hold a infinite 4D plane, it's X, Y, Z, and N^1 dimensions are also required to be infinite. Destroying a small section is therefore not an infinite 4D feat.

Additionally, you couldn't even get 2-A from that fifth axis unless you (somehow) destroy an infinite number of them at the same time.

What you have is a 2-C spatial zone separating two collected 2-C space-time zones. Beerus and Champa would be required to erase the Neutral Zone in the space-time level to get the upgrade you're suggesting, which is not remotely suggested in their clash.

Based on your comments, I don't think you understand how our tiering system works in regards to space-time structures. What you're suggesting only works if Beerus and Champa temporally erased a chunk of the Neutral Zone.

No, this is not just my statement; it is actually present here on the forum in the FAQ section, and it exactly matches what I said. Logically and scientifically, this is how dimensions work ↓

In a way, yes, though not how most would think when using this word. Basically, an arbitrary object of dimension n is essentially comprised by the total sum of uncountably infinite objects of one dimension less, which may be described as lower-dimensional "slices", each corresponding to one of the infinite points of a line. For instance, a square is made of infinitely many line segments (Lined up on the y-axis), a cube of infinitely many squares (Lined up on the z-axis), and so on.

One may think of it as a multiplication between sets: For instance, the unit square [0,1]² may be expressed as the product of two unit intervals [0,1] x [0,1], which itself can be visualized as taking "copies" of the first interval and lining them up along each point of the second interval, of which there are uncountably infinitely-many, thus forming a square out of infinite line segments.

I know that every higher dimension adds an additional degree of freedom, but that does not mean it lacks the previous ones. In other words, a higher dimension contains all the previous dimensions in an uncountably infinite way, and then adds one more degree of freedom. For example, we have a one-dimensional line with a single extension, and then a two-dimensional plane containing infinitely many lines with an additional extension, yet at the same time it naturally includes the original one-dimensional line. And so on, every higher dimension contains all the previous dimensions in an uncountably infinite manner while adding another extra degree of freedom of its own.

 

[RanHover60]

Just drop the arguments man, you’ve already clogged up the thread with multiple irrelevant points while being told to stop multiple times. If you have queries then this isn’t the right place for them.

Atp we need to just wait for Chariot to drop his rebuttals so this thread can come to a close, stop adding stuff on top of that please.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Azer pls stop, its not relevant for the thread

 

[Hasty12345]

I agree with the thread and scaling proposals.

 

[Chariot190]

Atp we need to just wait for Chariot to drop his rebuttals so this thread can come to a close, stop adding stuff on top of that please.

Discussed it in chat Qawsed was there too he can vouch.
The more I looked into it, the more red flags kept popping up.
Given ya'll not you specifically, I mean general room very much like to dodge or complain if repercussions get brought up or implications of evidence to a greater whole some dude is literally being reported right now for that shit regardless of if it tied into the greater point, we've decided (we as in not Qawsed but generally), to instead just do a staff thread at a later point given there's shit that needs to be tackled beyond just the ludicrously misleading scans in the OP that would directly effect the macrocosm if used as evidence, as well as various faulty translations or contradictory scans and a slew of other shit that are relevant and tie into the greater cosmology, not just whether they have big dick range.

So have fun for now, I would very much recommend sorting out some of those translations tho, you probably have a lil to figure that out first.
unless ya'll want me to post here, I will if need be given people kept whining that voicing my disagreement somehow counted as me not actually arguing shit, in which case you'll be waiting awhile given it's going to be a large one.

 

[Kroneii1]

I agree with the 5D neutral zone

 

[AwkguyDB]

I agree with this

 

[Shar122]

Looks good to me, I agree.

 

[KingTempest]

So my view is that the Void used for the multiverse tournament indicates the Neutral Zone does have a time axis. The Grand Priest specified that the Null Zone/Void had no time, which seems to be an exceptional thing since it was noted. The NZ having galaxies, stars, and no comment that time was affected to me indicates that it does have a temporal axis.

Additionally, we tend to assume that things have time by default if things progress, which is why Voids generally need to have a statement saying they're timeless or lack time.

I want your view on something since I'm not really super knowledgeable on tier 1 but I know dragon ball Z so I wanna ask something to you and to the supporters to see if there's a thread that explained this

1. Why is it made seem like all of the universes have a different space-time continuum than each other? I have yet to see solid proof of that.
2. They literally had a clock in the world of void. Hit used time skip in that world. The otherworld was known for letting Goku stay in a form for forever because it truly had no passing time but Goku had limits on transformations in the world of void. Is the statement of "no time" just a flat out lie?


I'm not arguing shit here I just want some explanations and maybe threads for reference btw

 

[Hellformer]

I want your view on something since I'm not really super knowledgeable on tier 1 but I know dragon ball Z so I wanna ask something to you and to the supporters to see if there's a thread that explained this

1. Why is it made seem like all of the universes have a different space-time continuum than each other? I have yet to see solid proof of that.
2. They literally had a clock in the world of void. Hit used time skip in that world. The otherworld was known for letting Goku stay in a form for forever because it truly had no passing time but Goku had limits on transformations in the world of void. Is the statement of "no time" just a flat out lie?


I'm not arguing shit here I just want some explanations and maybe threads for reference btw

Dragon Ball Cosmology

vsbattles.fandom.com

I think this page clears up the 1st doubt of yours with good load of evidence.

 

[KingTempest]

Dragon Ball Cosmology

vsbattles.fandom.com

I think this page clears up the 1st doubt of yours with good load of evidence.

imma hold my words, but okay, thank you

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

I agree with this

And please tell me we are not back at "universes don't have their own space time" again?

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I want your view on something since I'm not really super knowledgeable on tier 1 but I know dragon ball Z so I wanna ask something to you and to the supporters to see if there's a thread that explained this

1. Why is it made seem like all of the universes have a different space-time continuum than each other? I have yet to see solid proof of that.
2. They literally had a clock in the world of void. Hit used time skip in that world. The otherworld was known for letting Goku stay in a form for forever because it truly had no passing time but Goku had limits on transformations in the world of void. Is the statement of "no time" just a flat out lie?


I'm not arguing shit here I just want some explanations and maybe threads for reference btw

The World of Void is a realm that lacks spacetime, and this is something explicitly stated in the work itself. The Daishinkan created spacetime within the World of Void, which is why there was time, duration, and the passage of time there. This is because the Daishinkan granted spacetime to the void↓

He may possess an extremely high level of control over time and space (granting time and space to the World of Void, [19], where time and space do not exist, [20]). Nevertheless, Hit is still able to use his Time-Skip ability

 

[Qawsedf234]

1. Why is it made seem like all of the universes have a different space-time continuum than each other? I have yet to see solid proof of that.

Well you can't physically travel between universes. Because you can't travel between then physically, they're seperated a higher spatial axis. It's why in DC you can't physically travel between universes, but have to vibrate, teleport, or run through the speed force to get into a different universe.

They literally had a clock in the world of void. Hit used time skip in that world. The otherworld was known for letting Goku stay in a form for forever because it truly had no passing time but Goku had limits on transformations in the world of void. Is the statement of "no time" just a flat out lie?

The wiki addresses this by saying that the Grand Priest gave the tournament ring a temporal aspect:

Possibly Greatly Enhanced Space-Time Manipulation (Potentially granted time and space to the World of Void,[19] as time and space do not exist in it,[20] yet Hit is able to use his Time-Skip[21] and Anilaza is able to bend the space of the World of Void.[22] Also known to have controlled numerous aspects of the World of Void[23][2])

So it lacked those elements until he gave it those elements.

 

[Chariot190]

The wiki addresses this by saying that the Grand Priest gave the tournament ring a temporal aspect:

why is it "possibly" and "potentially", please tell me we're not just guessing here chat.

 

[supertomioka]

To be completely honest I am confused with the CRT as a whole. If this was the goal was the range thing in the previous thread really necessary? And the fact that this CRT and the exact same argument and scans have been used previously for the neutral zone and was rejected because it somewhat contradicts alot we've already established with the macrocosms. What changed? Was this really necessary?

Anyways I agree with Quased. Leaning on neutral till chariot drops rebuttal or would it be in a staff thread idk

why is it "possibly" and "potentially", please tell me we're not just guessing here chat.

Chariot it's been a while how did the, "the boys" pixel scaling that you were working on go ? You are my favorite person. For your question it was initially conceptual manipulation type 2 for GP but was removed to space time manipulation in the thread this was discussed it was accepted to be "possibly" and "potentially" because of reasons brought forth tho not definite proof but the plot of the top would make 0 sense if it were removed.
It was all discussed here

Dragon Ball Super: Grand Priest Conceptual Manipulation Removal

Hi, it's me. I felt I should make this at some point, as I'd developed some grievances with this ability toward the end of the thread that it was accepted in, but I didn't want to be the guy spontaneously bringing up problems in a concluded thread. So, here's my response thread on the Grand...

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[Chariot190]

Anyways I agree with Quased. Leaning on neutral till chariot drops rebuttal or would it be in a staff thread idk

It's going to be a thread, that's what chat is telling me to do instead so like
Ya'll got awhile tho there's gotta be a schedule to this shit though it would appear people want to help on this one so at least I'm not doing it alone.

Chariot it's been a while how did the, "the boys" pixel scaling that you were working on go ?

I have no ******* idea what you're talking about unless you mean that one explosion feat?
I did it in chat and one of the goons took it so idk it's probably already out there in the wild

You are my favorite person. For your question it was initially conceptual manipulation type 2 for GP but was removed to space time manipulation in the thread this was discussed it was accepted to be "possibly" and "potentially" because of reasons brought forth tho not definite proof but the plot of the top would make 0 sense if it were removed.
It was all discussed here

Dragon Ball Super: Grand Priest Conceptual Manipulation Removal

Hi, it's me. I felt I should make this at some point, as I'd developed some grievances with this ability toward the end of the thread that it was accepted in, but I didn't want to be the guy spontaneously bringing up problems in a concluded thread. So, here's my response thread on the Grand...

vsbattles.com

That's a bit of an issue.
For it be a solid counterpoint, it can't be "maybe", it has to be "100%".
Otherwise the thing it's being used as argumentation against would in turn have to be a "maybe" too, as to account for the possibility of him not having that. Like if that's 50/50, the counterpoint itself is only 50/50.

 

[Starsprite53]

Have no fear, StarSprite is here!
I'm Neutral for now.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

It's going to be a thread, that's what chat is telling me to do instead so like
Ya'll got awhile tho there's gotta be a schedule to this shit though it would appear people want to help on this one so at least I'm not doing it alone.

I have no ******* idea what you're talking about unless you mean that one explosion feat?
I did it in chat and one of the goons took it so idk it's probably already out there in the wild

That's a bit of an issue.
For it be a solid counterpoint, it can't be "maybe", it has to be "100%".
Otherwise the thing it's being used as argumentation against would in turn have to be a "maybe" too, as to account for the possibility of him not having that. Like if that's 50/50, the counterpoint itself is only 50/50.

Yes, I agree with you here as well. That is how it is supposed to be. Perhaps conceptual manipulation would be a good option. What happened in this thread is clear bias, and I honestly don’t know how the staff approved it.

 

[supertomioka]

Yes, I agree with you here as well. That is how it is supposed to be. Perhaps conceptual manipulation would be a good option. What happened in this thread is clear bias, and I honestly don’t know how the staff approved it.

All you have been doing here has just been mindlessly yapping and when you have been corrected multiple times you call it bias to keep a 1000 with you I don't know what side you are on and what actual value your text walls has given to this thread, instead of clogging it with bs and many supporters have called you out repeatedly.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I actually don't agree with this upgrade, I'll post a reply sometime today when able right now I just wanted to put my stance out there real quick.

 

[MrTayman616]

Misleading comment, he'll come with 7D or something.

 

[Dragopentling]

After the recent changes with “higher dimensionality” being accepted, I’m at best neutral for this one (not like my vote/opinion matters on VSBW anymore, anyways)

 

[Nerd1435]

What would a suggestion like 5D range (or whatever) imply for the Kaioshin here? If the extra dimensions here are temporal, is it implied that they can travel across these time dimensions as well with Kai Kai?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

So.. this is 4 pages long and im just curious to what seems like passing if anything has staff agrees like a quick summary please...? Thank you

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Qawsed is making most sense to me.

 

[Killerdrone123]

So.. this is 4 pages long and im just curious to what seems like passing if anything has staff agrees like a quick summary please...? Thank you

4 Staff agreeing with thread(viet,qaw,reiner,DDM)

With griffin disagreeing he has yet to share his reasons

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

4 Staff agreeing with thread(viet,qaw,reiner,DDM)

With griffin disagreeing he has yet to share his reasons

Thank you!

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

2. They literally had a clock in the world of void. Hit used time skip in that world. The otherworld was known for letting Goku stay in a form for forever because it truly had no passing time but Goku had limits on transformations in the world of void. Is the statement of "no time" just a flat out lie?

The wiki addresses this by saying that the Grand Priest gave the tournament ring a temporal aspect:
So it lacked those elements until he gave it those elements.

The wiki states that the Grand Priest gave the world of the void time aspects. This thread is for the Neutral Space, so it doesn't really apply here.

This independent axis would generate an uncountably infinite number of snapshots of this 5D space, making it significant enough to qualify as Low 1-C. Consequently, the entirety of Neutral Space would scale to Low 1-C.

There is a circular logic problem here. The neutral space has insignificant 5D space. That means:

3 dimensions of space,
1 dimension of time,
1 extra dimension of insignificant space.

You're claiming that the "independent" time dimension makes the significant 5D space significant, but the 1 dimension of time has already been applied to the 3 dimensions of space. You're essentially applying the time dimension two times. 1st to make the significant space, significant, and then to create infinite snapshots of the now significant space.

Semantically, you should instead be arguing that the time dimension makes the insignificant 4D space significant.

And this also creates a big problem:

3D space plus time = Low 2-C
4D space plus time = Low 1-C

you're essentially arguing that 3.00000000000000...0001 space plus time = Low 1-C.

Personally, I think this is wrong because while the timeline can give you infinite snapshots of 3D space, it can only give you a cumulative single snapshot of worth extra 4th dimensional space.

I'll let the staff address this issue as there is no precedent on the wiki that I can remember that tells what the outcome is.

 

[Qawsedf234]

You're claiming that the "independent" time dimension makes the significant 5D space significant, but the 1 dimension of time has already been applied to the 3 dimensions of space. You're essentially applying the time dimension twice. 1st to make the neutral space to separate spacetime, and then again to make the insignificant 5D, significant.

The Neutral Zone holds the Macrocosmos within it's spatially boundary. To do so it has to be physically large enough to hold 12 infinite 4D spheres, meaning it also has to be spatially infinite in four dimensions and posses a compacted fifth dimensional axis to seperate them.

The OP then points out that the wiki currently assumes the NZ has an independent time axis, as Dragon Ball has an accepted hyper timeline. A 4D spatially realm with a time axis is a Low 1-C spacetime, which due to having two time axis makes the entire Timeline 6D.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

The Neutral Zone holds the Macrocosmos within it's spatially boundary. To do so it has to be physically large enough to hold 12 infinite 4D spheres, meaning it also has to be spatially infinite in four dimensions and posses a compacted fifth dimensional axis to seperate them.

The 4D in question is 3 dimensions of space plus time.

You are saying that the neutral zone has 4 dimensions of space to hold universes which have 3d space plus time? And then requires an extra fifth dimension of space to separate the universes, and then has on top of it another time dimension. That's 6 dimensions.

Where in the wiki does it state that a multiversal container needs 4 dimensions of space?

If you mean that neutral zone has 3 dimensions of space and then 1 dimension of time to hold the universes, and then has extra 5 space to separate the universes, then I would just go back to my original comment because you would be applying the time dimension twice.

 

[Qawsedf234]

The 4D in question is 3 dimensions of space plus time.

The temporal axis generates an uncountable infinite number of 3-A snapshots, which then generates an infinite fourth dimensional space-time. These 12 space times are then embedded in a larger structure, making that larger structure spatially 4D with an clmpacted fifth dimensional axis. Due to having it's own time axis, it generates an uncountable infinite number of fourth dimensional snapshots which generates a infinite fifth dimensional structure.

Where in the wiki does it state that a multiversal container needs 4 dimensions of space?

In the Tiering Page:

Characters or objects whose power is uncountably infinitely greater than the prior tiers. That is to say, they can significantly affect, create and/or destroy higher-dimensional structures that exceed lesser objects by an uncountably infinite margin. An example of this is 4-dimensional spacetime continuums of universal size, but this can be generalized to any 4-dimensional structure of a similar scope.

A structure containing fourth dimensional spaces by proxy also has to be fourth dimensional with a larger fifth dimensional axis to seperate them.

If you mean that neutral zone has 3 dimensions of space and then 1 dimension of time to hold the universes, and then has extra 5 space to separate the universes, then I would just go back to my original comment because you would be applying the time dimension twice.

No, I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying:

• A Macrocosmos has 3 Spatial Dimensions + 1 Temporal Dimension -> They are 3D+1 which generates infinitely fourth dimensional structure
• There are 12 Macrocosmos that are embedded in the Neutral Zone -> The Neutral Zone must physical hold 12 infinite 4D structures and sepersre them, which means the NZ is infinite 4D with a compacted 5D axis to seperate them
• The NZ per previous CRTs has an independent temporal axis, meaning its 4D+1 space-time wise which generates an infinite fifth dimensional structure
• The second temporal axis generates an uncountable infinite number of an infinite 5D space, which makes the timeline 6D in totality
• The NZ is not being multiplied by three time axis. It needs to be spatially 4D to hold infinite 4D structures, has an independent time axis, and the timeline has two time axis in total which causes the cosmology to end up as 4D+2

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Freaking shit Internet, just lost my entire response!!

Guess I'll try a watered down version because I'm not wasting y'all time with waiting on me. To me, Neutral Space just looks like it comes off as a 4-D universe that contains the 12 universes (also 4-D) and yes a universal space time can contain other universes, realms, dimensions, without being 5-D we'd just call them pocket dimensions. However because of "standards" it's got an insignificant axis which the OP themselves used the alternative method of "independent time axis" to get a significant one because without it there's not much in my honest opinion. Most of my actual comment was going a bit more in depth but the OP already got the 5th axis applied and it's our standards, so at this point I'll be arguing against the Tiering System which I really don't have the energy/mental fortitude to do.

It all just comes off as something you don't need a 5-D axis to achieve. I guess I'll just be Neutral, I don't think the evidence is 100% solid but the Tiering System is something I'm not about to debate so if it passes (which it look like it will) so be it.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Crt looks good

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

There's still something wrong here that doesn't add up:

A structure containing fourth dimensional spaces by proxy also has to be fourth dimensional with a larger fifth dimensional axis to seperate them.

That doesn't say that the structure specifically has to be specifically 4 dimensions of space though? Just a 4D structure. That can be also achieved with 3 dimensions of space and time. I asked which type was it:

A. 3D space plus time or
B. 4D space

But let's say it is 4 dimensions of space, the math is still off:

Level 1 - Universe (3D space plus 1D time) or 4D
Level 2 - Neutral Space (4D space plus 1 insignificant D) or 4.1D or insignificant 5D
Level 3 - Neutral Space plus independent time (4D space plus 1 time dimension plus 1 insignificant dimension) or 5.1D or insignificant 6D*
*Applying OP's argument that the time dimension makes the insignificant dimension significant
Level 4 - Neutral Space plus independent time (5D space plus 1 time) or 6D
Level 5 - Hypertimeline (5D space plus 2 time) or 7D

You and OP are claiming 6D but your math is off. It can't be 6D. It has to be 7D. If we start with neutral space having 4D space. and then add the independent time dimension, that gives us 5D. Then we add the insignificant dimension, that gives us 5.1D or insignificant 6D.

The blogs and the OP both say this:

Additionally, Neutral Space should be at least 2-C or larger in scale, as it is capable of containing 12 separate 4-dimensional macrocosms, each with its own independent time dimension.

Based on tiering logic, this would place Neutral Space at 5-dimensional (5D). However, it would not qualify as Low 1-C, as that would require proof that this higher spatial axis has significant extent. That said, there may be alternative arguments that could establish such significance and potentially justify a Low 1-C tier

This independent axis would generate an uncountably infinite number of snapshots of this 5D space, making it significant enough to qualify as Low 1-C. Consequently, the entirety of Neutral Space would scale to Low 1-C.

OP is counting 4 dimensions plus the insignificant dimension and then is adding a time dimension on top of that: that's 6 dimensions including the insignificant one. That would already make the neutral zone Low 1-C with insignificant 6D. This is why I am saying the time dimension is being counted twice here.

The wiki currently accepts the neutral space as insignificant 5D. And this insignificant 5D already includes the time dimension. You said it here:

The NZ per previous CRTs has an independent temporal axis, meaning its 4D+1 space-time wise which generates an infinite fifth dimensional structure

You are counting the time dimension as part of the insignificant 5D and then applying it again to the insignificant fifth dimension.

And if we go with my assumption of 3D space and 1D time it becomes this:

Level 1 - Universe (3D space plus 1D time) or 4D
Level 2 - Neutral Space (3D space plus time) or 4D
Level 3 - Neutral Space (3D space plus 1D time plus insignificant D) 4.1 D or insignificant 5D (what's currently accepted.)
*You cannot apply OP's argument because the independent time dimension is already accounted for therefore
The Neutral space remains 4.1D or insignificant 5D.


In order for this CRT to go through, OP will need to make a CRT correcting the Neutral Space as being 5D plus insignificant 6D. (and validly argue that neutral space has 4 dimensions of space instead of just 3 dimensions of space plus time)

 

[Qawsedf234]

Level 1 - Universe (3D space plus 1D time) or 4D
Level 2 - Neutral Space (4D space plus 1 insignificant D) or 4.1D or insignificant 5D
Level 3 - Neutral Space plus independent time (4D space plus 1 time dimension plus 1 insignificant dimension) or 5.1D or insignificant 6D*
*Applying OP's argument that the time dimension makes the insignificant dimension significant
Level 4 - Neutral Space plus independent time (5D space plus 1 time) or 6D
Level 5 - Hypertimeline (5D space plus 2 time) or 7D

I think this is where you're misunderstanding;

• Level 1: Universe = 3D+1 / 4D
• Level 2: NZ = 4D*+1 / 5D
• Level 3: Hyper Timeline = 4D+2
• Level 4: Gap between Timelines: 4D+2 with insignificant 7D gap

Multiplying 4D.1 by an uncountable infinite snapshot is still just infinite 5D. You don't get 6D from it and the NZ isn't multiplied as you're suggested.