Halo Ur- didact upgrade Proposals

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Combat speed, reaction speed :
So in the novels its stated that didact controls a falco and uses his battle mode ability to split time into several streams seeing some things as fast and some slow(as shown below)
This feat explicity states didact saw plasma fire(via battle mode) in extruciatingly slow motion, and uses it to dodge it thats what I'm focusing on
Its stated in halo encyclopedia that warrior servants have battle mode, which sees several streams of time exactly as described, and can use them to operate at near prescient speeds, now we obviously cannot actually calc that statement but, one thing this does prove it the "battle mode" is not just perceiving but they can percieve it and move according to it because thats how they can achieve the "near prescient speeds", simply perceiving it would not let them have that speeds in a fight, so ive proved this is c/r speed feat.
I also dont think that the "slow motion" is not cinematic in any way, as the ability is clearly described in the halo encyclopedia and not a random one time thing, maybe "extruciatingly" is a exaggeration but it should still be slow motion at minimum as what was percieved. One major thing to know is i will be calculating it via seeing in slow motion and not dodging as this could very well be aimdodging, to proceed halo plasma is stated to be 126 m/s

so i will use this and this to calc the feat, Because "excruciatingly slow motion" and "near prescient speeds" are like synonyms to "similar to frozen"

• Human Speed = 7.7 m/s
• Snail Speed = 0.00275 m/s
• Time Difference of 2800x
• The speed of a halo plasma is 126 m/s, multiplying 2800 with that i get 352800 m/s
• []Perception Speed = 352800 m/s = 0.1177% SOL = Massively hypersonic+
  
  Alternatively if we arent happy with using snail speeds, we could use tortoise speeds as suggested, which is around 0.10 ms
  So if we divide 7.7 by 0.10 its 77 and multply that with 126 its 9702 m/s which is = High hypersonic[/]

This is unfounded nothing burger statements, also, you do realize "prescient" means having precognition knowledge. Which basically more often than not refers to aim dodging rather than true reaction speed.

The 126 m/s refers to things like the Type-25 directed energy weapon, and wouldn't use that to compared projectiles fired by large capital ships. And it's especially the snail calculator method is just pure wank. The projectile only looked slower than it actually is due to possessing scanners that could predict the trajectory of the blast before it happens and being able to move out of the range of fire before it was fired; and being far away from objects makes things look slower than they actually are.

Perception manipulation: Because of Battle mode allowing him to have multiple perceptions at once all at different ways of percepting something( seeing some things fast and some things slow as described here)

They don't necessarily manipulate the perception of others similar to what Sosuke Aizen does for instance, they just have the ability to share perception with other Warrior Servants. Sort of like a mechanical telepathy or sharing communicators where what one of them sees is what all of them see. And ultimately, Hive Mind is what an actual ability is called.

Limited Black hole creation&manipulation: Warden eternal can make small black holes that lock on to enemies, and as the point above it applies to the didact.

Pretty sure that's just portal creation/manipulation. Those are more like mini Slipspace portals rather than real black holes. We have very strict rules on what qualifies as real black holes.

Matter manipulation: He ionized a metal barrier, this should be some part of matter manipulation.

He does already have the ability to manipulate Hardlight; but that's another thing. His alleged 8-A feat isn't really something that should scale to his AP, since that's just smartmatter really just being programmed to do what Didact tells it to do or wants it to do rather than him being able to heat it up to ionize it. He's never demonstrated being able to just vaporize or ionize anything else just with his mind. He specially can only ionize Smartmatter/Hardlight like that.

I don't really have contentions against anything else on the list though.

 

[James11221]

They don't necessarily manipulate the perception of others similar to what Sosuke Aizen does for instance, they just have the ability to share perception with other Warrior Servants. Sort of like a mechanical telepathy or sharing communicators where what one of them sees is what all of them see. And ultimately, Hive Mind is what an actual ability is called.

according to whats written: "The ability can also be used to amplify one's own perception to greater levels" and "The ability to manipulate the vision of a target, allowing them to see things that are exaggerations of reality, or simply unreal altogether"
So perception manip might be amplifying your own perception which is what battle mode means

I don't really have contentions against anything else on the list though.

Even the infinite stamina part via not sleeping or never showing to get tired?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

according to whats written: "The ability can also be used to amplify one's own perception to greater levels" and "The ability to manipulate the vision of a target, allowing them to see things that are exaggerations of reality, or simply unreal altogether"
So perception manip might be amplifying your own perception which is what battle mode means

I still think Hive Mind just makes more sense.

Even the infinite stamina part via not sleeping or never showing to get tired?

Kind of missed that part, but actually I have doubts. Not needing to sleep doesn't quite mean infinite stamina if they are still susceptible to things like Battle fatigue and what not.

 

[James11221]

Lifting strength:
Didact's Lifting strength should be Upgraded to class M

Halo: Lifting Strength Compilation

vsbattles.fandom.com

Accepted results were (8,349.11 and 66470.048386 tons),Both methods were accepted

One thing to clarify is this dosent come under an issue of deriving LS from crushing, the method used wasn't deriving force from dividing the distance or something as that was one issue had in this thread, aagna, the creator of this thread himself stated this feat wasnt an issue.

Travel speed:
So for this forerunners second skin had space flight capabilities, these second skins were also described as being worn by forerunners their entire life
The Utility skin were "sufficient enough" for interplanetry travel, and the utility skin was actually basic and just considered normal clothing for forerunners and inferior to other skins, and both combat skin and utility skin were considered second skins, this means the combat skin has the same/superior speed compared to utility skins
Anyway lets assume interplanetary travel as from earth to mercury which is the nearest planet to earth as venus and mars spend signficant time at the other end of the orbit, regardless the distance is 77.3 million km when earth and mercury are at their closest together, assuming it took 24 hours to do an interplanetary travel(from mercury to earth) (a fair assumption if it were much longer then they would have just used ships) for the wearer to reach his destination , this would honestly give us a figure of 3,220,833.33 km/h or 894.6 kilometers per second.
Thats about
Massively hypersonic + travel speed
Edit: If sticking a random timeframe to get to massively hypersonic is unreasonable, Bornstellar is stated to call a 100 million kilometer trip( via automated craft) from earth to mars in 48 hours, and described the trip as a Tedious long one. Hence, atleast a trip of 77.3 million kilometers should take about max 48 hours via utility skin, calculating that i get 1,610,416.67 Km/h or 447.34 km/s, that is Still Massively hypersonic + travel speed

Need another mod for this

 

[James11221]

Bump

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I still think Hive Mind just makes more sense.

Agree with Medeus.

 

[James11221]

He does already have the ability to manipulate Hardlight; but that's another thing. His alleged 8-A feat isn't really something that should scale to his AP, since that's just smartmatter really just being programmed to do what Didact tells it to do or wants it to do rather than him being able to heat it up to ionize it. He's never demonstrated being able to just vaporize or ionize anything else just with his mind. He specially can only ionize Smartmatter/Hardlight like that.

The thing is i just cant find any source stating he can order it to remove itself, the closest i found was this thread, which sourced this to prove that forerunners can manipulate smartmatter/hardlight to dissapear, but the thing is i dont find any statement in there, meaning it was likely removed, and even if it was there it may not be entirely accurate as its a wiki, and statements might have been something like "Manipulate hardlight" when in reality the metal barrier the didact melted is not made of hardlight at all
What's more is that the ionization looks same as the forerunner weapons`, which fires ionized particles and whatnot, it's difficult to think he can order smartmatter to "ionize" itself instead of some other way, so this is likely an Ap feat. also ive noticed a flaw in the calc, the ionization assumes that the first electron is removed which requires less energy, we shoudnt assume the lowest a midball can be 11 electrons, low end 1 and high end 22(its the highest possible). Using the 11 electrons removal in ionization from this table i calc it to be around 8k tons of tnt which is town level
Edit: Actually quick google searches show that melting the entire barrier to the point where structure is destroyed and tiny piecies fly up and dissapear as shown when didact melts the barrier would require 22nd electron to be gone we get 218 kilotons which is large town level

Also ill add martial arts mastery for the didact since he took on teams of spartans and destroyed them,(its similar to mcu sentry getting the same ability for defeating the thunderbolts), is that fine, and since hes a promethean forerunner ill add all the forerunner weapons as primary weapons, is that fine?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

The thing is i just cant find any source stating he can order it to remove itself, the closest i found was this thread, which sourced this to prove that forerunners can manipulate smartmatter/hardlight to dissapear, but the thing is i dont find any statement in there, meaning it was likely removed, and even if it was there it may not be entirely accurate as its a wiki, and statements might have been something like "Manipulate hardlight" when in reality the metal barrier the didact melted is not made of hardlight at all
What's more is that the ionization looks same as the forerunner weapons`, which fires ionized particles and whatnot, it's difficult to think he can order smartmatter to "ionize" itself instead of some other way, so this is likely an Ap feat. also ive noticed a flaw in the calc, the ionization assumes that the first electron is removed which requires less energy, we shoudnt assume the lowest a midball can be 11 electrons, low end 1 and high end 22(its the highest possible). Using the 11 electrons removal in ionization from this table i calc it to be around 8k tons of tnt which is town level
Edit: Actually quick google searches show that melting the entire barrier to the point where structure is destroyed and tiny piecies fly up and dissapear as shown when didact melts the barrier would require 22nd electron to be gone we get 218 kilotons which is large town level

And also this.

The former proves that Didact can just manipulate and reform Hardlight/Smartmatter at will. And that his "8-A feat" for ionizing the wall of it really isn't even an AP feat but just would be Hardlight/Smartmatter manipulation. And we have rules that the ability create/produce hardlight is an unquantifiable calculation feat as DontTalkDT has pointed out here. And we especially wouldn't use calculations higher than what was calculated. So I am in favor of removing the 8-A feat and instead simply upscale him from the AP of a Spartan Laser.

 

[James11221]

And also this.

The former proves that Didact can just manipulate and reform Hardlight/Smartmatter at will. And that his "8-A feat" for ionizing the wall of it really isn't even an AP feat but just would be Hardlight/Smartmatter manipulation. And we have rules that the ability create/produce hardlight is an unquantifiable calculation feat as DontTalkDT has pointed out here. And we especially wouldn't use calculations higher than what was calculated. So I am in favor of removing the 8-A feat and instead simply upscale him from the AP of a Spartan Laser.

The first image sounds exclusive to the mantles approach, simply because, the reshaping was used to fight the flood, and random forerunner structures may not have that, also reshaping tends to mean like the ships reshapes itself can refer to other things.

The second scan proves my point, "damage causes these bonds to fail and the entire assembly disintegrates into fine dust and hard light embers "thats the exact animation of what happened when he metled the barrier, and smartatter dosent have the "programable matter" description

also btw

Also ill add martial arts mastery for the didact since he took on teams of spartans and destroyed them,(its similar to mcu sentry getting the same ability for defeating the thunderbolts), is that fine, and since hes a promethean forerunner ill add all the forerunner weapons as primary weapons, is that fine?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

The first image sounds exclusive to the mantles approach, simply because, the reshaping was used to fight the flood, and random forerunner structures may not have that, also reshaping tends to mean like the ships reshapes itself can refer to other things.

They were on the Mantle's Approach when he did the "8-A feat" all he did was asked it nicely to ionize itself. And actually, Forerunner commanders of Forerunner ships and structures can do similar things in general.

The second scan proves my point, "damage causes these bonds to fail and the entire assembly disintegrates into fine dust and hard light embers "thats the exact animation of what happened when he metled the barrier, and smartatter dosent have the "programable matter" description

It kinds of does the exact opposite of what I have seen from you. It proves that Smartmatter isn't really all that durable, its fusion energy endurance is kinda fragile, and what would normally only slightly dent other alloys tends to ionize smartmatter. Which basically means energy required to ionize disassemble hard light structures isn't much. Like even a bombardment of 9-C weapons can chip damage it, and it eventually just self ionizes when suffering too much fatigue.

 

[James11221]

They were on the Mantle's Approach when he did the "8-A feat" all he did was asked it nicely to ionize itself. And actually, Forerunner commanders of Forerunner ships and structures can do similar things in general.

No, the area around his cryptum imprisonment where he performed his feat was not on the mantles approach, he dosent regain that ship until mission 8 , the cryptum was literally stated to be removed from mantles approach after didacts imprisonment, furthermore the video after chief releases the didact the cryptum is shown to be travelling and used for other things (i dont have the video now but ill share it later), why woud he do that if he had his ship. The didact is stated to be at the core of requiem and thats not the mantles approach. He regains his ship after the game, and even if my points are wrong theres no evidence he was released with his ship. I can later send a video of when he was released later if you want.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

No, the area around his cryptum imprisonment where he performed his feat was not on the mantles approach, he dosent regain that ship until mission 8 , the cryptum was literally stated to be removed from mantles approach after didacts imprisonment, furthermore the video after chief releases the didact the cryptum is shown to be travelling and used for other things (i dont have the video now but ill share it later), why woud he do that if he had his ship. The didact is stated to be at the core of requiem and thats not the mantles approach. He regains his ship after the game, and even if my points are wrong theres no evidence he was released with his ship. I can later send a video of when he was released later if you want.

Considering how bad 343 industries era sucked, of course memories tend to be foggy revisiting some of them.

But the other points still stand, Forerunners such as Didact can still command/order smart matter to shapeshift as it's really just follows what forerunners tell it to do. And DontTalkDT's written rules specifically state the formation and decomposition of hard light is not quantifiable.

 

[James11221]

Considering how bad 343 industries era sucked, of course memories tend to be foggy revisiting some of them.

But the other points still stand, Forerunners such as Didact can still command/order smart matter to shapeshift as it's really just follows what forerunners tell it to do. And DontTalkDT's written rules specifically state the formation and decomposition of hard light is not quantifiable.

Your original argument, was mantles approach could shapeshift itself to fight the flood but that may not apply everywhere especially random forerunner places, and shapeshift can refer to other things especially when “fight the flood and other opponents”. The disintegration of it looks same to how forerunner weapons ionize and also it fits withitn the description of how smartmatter gets destroyed. This could very likely be didact ordering smartmatter to shapeshift, but the feat still holds some weight and isnt completely debunked.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Not the way the calculation is handled, there are still no direct feats to calculate; I explained the difference between direct feats and indirect feats all the time. I know smartmatter is designed to be a state where it cannot be effected by Flood parasite infection. It ionizes itself to incinerate the parasites when they try. But that's not relevant when it comes to destruction tables or "Energy required to ionize smartmatter pure volume or mass unit" values. In there, there is nothing we can do without breaking some face value rules. Thus making both the current calculation blog or, your even more inflated method unusable.

 

[James11221]

Not the way the calculation is handled, there are still no direct feats to calculate; I explained the difference between direct feats and indirect feats all the time. I know smartmatter is designed to be a state where it cannot be effected by Flood parasite infection. It ionizes itself to incinerate the parasites when they try. But that's not relevant when it comes to destruction tables or "Energy required to ionize smartmatter pure volume or mass unit" values. In there, there is nothing we can do without breaking some face value rules. Thus making both the current calculation blog or, your even more inflated method unusable.

Okay and btw thoughts on changing his weakness to being egotistical rather than being hacked, and should forerunner weapons be optional or standard equipment for him

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Okay and btw thoughts on changing his weakness to being egotistical rather than being hacked, and should forerunner weapons be optional or standard equipment for him

They're still both notable weaknesses, but I have worded better where we do not need to mentioned the specific anti-feat in the weakness section. But him being susceptible or that it's possible to hack his suit should still be listed.

 

[James11221]

Lifting strength:
Didact's Lifting strength should be Upgraded to class M

Halo: Lifting Strength Compilation

vsbattles.fandom.com

Accepted results were (8,349.11 and 66470.048386 tons),Both methods were accepted

One thing to clarify is this dosent come under an issue of deriving LS from crushing, the method used wasn't deriving force from dividing the distance or something as that was one issue had in this thread, aagna, the creator of this thread himself stated this feat wasnt an issue.


Travel speed:
So for this forerunners second skin had space flight capabilities, these second skins were also described as being worn by forerunners their entire life
The Utility skin were "sufficient enough" for interplanetry travel, and the utility skin was actually basic and just considered normal clothing for forerunners and inferior to other skins, and both combat skin and utility skin were considered second skins, this means the combat skin has the same/superior speed compared to utility skins
Anyway lets assume interplanetary travel as from earth to mercury which is the nearest planet to earth as venus and mars spend signficant time at the other end of the orbit, regardless the distance is 77.3 million km when earth and mercury are at their closest together, assuming it took 24 hours to do an interplanetary travel(from mercury to earth) (a fair assumption if it were much longer then they would have just used ships) for the wearer to reach his destination , this would honestly give us a figure of 3,220,833.33 km/h or 894.6 kilometers per second.
Thats about
Massively hypersonic + travel speed
Edit: If sticking a random timeframe to get to massively hypersonic is unreasonable, Bornstellar is stated to call a 100 million kilometer trip( via automated craft) from earth to mars in 48 hours, and described the trip as a Tedious long one. Hence, atleast a trip of 77.3 million kilometers should take about max 48 hours via utility skin, calculating that i get 1,610,416.67 Km/h or 447.34 km/s, that is Still Massively hypersonic + travel speed

Need another mod for this

 

[James11221]

Some ability additions

Self-perception manipulation- As discussed warrior servants can split reality into multiple modes of perception, and as discussed we can see in more detail as to how they work, they can see some things in slow motion and some fast as discussed, also self stated here it could be limited time manipulation.

That's time deceleration; last paragraph slipped but it's still underwhelming compared to what you interpret it as. It's got nothing to do with transcending time, moving forward or backward in time with ease. or moving faster than instantaneous. Time dilation as in it's limited time manipulation for specific fields and acceleration for other fields. There is nothing Immeasurable here.

Enhanced senses- vision - infrared - Their AI can magnify their vision and see in infrared.

Limited Retrocognition- Their AI controls their sensors and alerts them if anything is out of the ordinary and can also replay a Forerunners vision and analyze what they see.

Weapon control- The didacts suit can auto lock on to him as wee see in halo 4, and his helmet can also be commanded to open or close through his mind. He can also command the platform to move. He also can manipulate forerunner tech soo.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Self-perception manipulation- As discussed warrior servants can split reality into multiple modes of perception, and as discussed we can see in more detail as to how they work, they can see some things in slow motion and some fast as discussed, also self stated here it could be limited time manipulation.

They can share perception with each other telepathically, to an extent that could be perception manipulation on themselves and each other. But that's more so Hive Mind Conscious (Which also include telepathy). We got to be watchful of various word salads that tend to cause outlandish interpretation over what's really just rather basic.

Enhanced senses- vision - infrared - Their AI can magnify their vision and see in infrared.

Limited Retrocognition- Their AI controls their sensors and alerts them if anything is out of the ordinary and can also replay a Forerunners vision and analyze what they see.

Weapon control- The didacts suit can auto lock on to him as wee see in halo 4, and his helmet can also be commanded to open or close through his mind. He can also command the platform to move. He also can manipulate forerunner tech soo.

These look fine from a glance; though in the case of weapon control. I suppose it would still be weapon control to an extent, but more so it is done via telekinesis and hard light manipulation. Long story short, this is the gyst of how all Forerunner technology works. If you're familiar with Copilot or Google Gemini; or really any AI tool. Imagine one of those, but more advanced to where it actually can read your mind and not require you to type of voice anything. And the AI in question is programmed to do exactly what Forerunner commanders want them to do, which results in Hardlight weapons and tools obeying them.

 

[James11221]

They can share perception with each other telepathically, to an extent that could be perception manipulation on themselves and each other. But that's more so Hive Mind Conscious (Which also include telepathy). We got to be watchful of various word salads that tend to cause outlandish interpretation over what's really just rather basic.

They can share perceptions with each other but thats a Completely different topic, both abilities hive mind and perception manip can coexist. The main point is This scan which i showed many times, says "parsing reality into multiple modes of perception" this is literally perception manip as you enhance yours

Want more detail on it? sure Here its described as making seeing some thing slow and some things fast.
I realise its not time manip tho

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

They can share perceptions with each other but thats a Completely different topic, both abilities hive mind and perception manip can coexist. The main point is This scan which i showed many times, says "parsing reality into multiple modes of perception" this is literally perception manip as you enhance yours

Want more detail on it? sure Here its described as making seeing some thing slow and some things fast.
I realise its not time manip tho

The problem is just that, they way it's stated sounds word salad like. And really, it's just nothing but what is typical of Hive Mind conscious.

 

[James11221]

Found some very Intresting stuff on the domain
Didact in Halo epitaph put his conciousness and exists to the domain
The domain is described as Outside of space and time multiple times
So the following abilities should be granted

Beyond dimensional existance Type 1 - as they Lack space-time features without being superior to time and space, as described in the page, this grants resistance to time, and spatial manipulation and grants accuasility

Possibly Resistance to void manipulation- Because outside of space time is a void of nothingness (however we dont know if it is higher dimensional space which would grant other things)

Im not sure but this also mean transcending space time as it is outside of it. This should grant a bunch of things such as infinite speed, as they transcend time.

Anyway i also found some other cool scans here, now obviously this dosent mean outer, as halo universe is not infinite d , but if it was 4d then the domain would be 5d as it transced 4d halo spacetime. There are also some metaphysical and void stuff stated here

Im not fully sure where the domain abilities/resistance and scaling would be but it would be great to figure out

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Found some very Intresting stuff on the domain
Didact in Halo epitaph put his conciousness and exists to the domain
The domain is described as Outside of space and time multiple times
So the following abilities should be granted

Beyond dimensional existance Type 1 - as they Lack space-time features without being superior to time and space, as described in the page, this grants resistance to time, and spatial manipulation and grants accuasility

"Outside of time and space" doesn't really mean much without elaborate context. In some cases, it just means outside traditional space-time of our universe, but still has other spatio-temporal properties. For example, being located in a different universe and/or a pocket dimension that has its own spatio-temporal barrier has been referred to as "Outside space-time." That's where interdimensional range for scanners comes from, but nothing to gain beyond that.

Also, one needs to be careful where you find random scans; as there are plenty of people from SpaceBattles, Comicvine, ect who historically photoshopped fake scans just to give exaggerated powers and abilities. There is a lot of things that obviously looked like fan exaggerated interpretation of what the actual text in the book pages say. The Domain being "Metaphysical" doesn't really prove higher-D existence either. At best, it's what the Forerunners interpret as an afterlife; though objectively, we don't really know. A running theme is Forerunners are religious beings that believe things to be supernatural, but their superstitious beliefs turn out to be untrue in universe when actually confronted. As commonly stated, Halo verse as a whole is pretty consistent in favoring evolution over creationism in the end. We don't actually know what the Domain is aside from it requiring some kind of interdimensional range to access data, no one physically can enter it as far as we know, and it collects some digital data records in history.

 

[James11221]

"Outside of time and space" doesn't really mean much without elaborate context. In some cases, it just means outside traditional space-time of our universe, but still has other spatio-temporal properties. For example, being located in a different universe and/or a pocket dimension that has its own spatio-temporal barrier has been referred to as "Outside space-time." That's where interdimensional range for scanners comes from, but nothing to gain beyond that.

Also, one needs to be careful where you find random scans; as there are plenty of people from SpaceBattles, Comicvine, ect who historically photoshopped fake scans just to give exaggerated powers and abilities. There is a lot of things that obviously looked like fan exaggerated interpretation of what the actual text in the book pages say. The Domain being "Metaphysical" doesn't really prove higher-D existence either. At best, it's what the Forerunners interpret as an afterlife; though objectively, we don't really know. A running theme is Forerunners are religious beings that believe things to be supernatural, but their superstitious beliefs turn out to be untrue in universe when actually confronted. As commonly stated, Halo verse as a whole is pretty consistent in favoring evolution over creationism in the end. We don't actually know what the Domain is aside from it requiring some kind of interdimensional range to access data, no one physically can enter it as far as we know, and it collects some digital data records in history.

I mean based on the scans i showed
it’s outside the space-time concept than is the “living time” in halo and
Not in his own space time