Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier

[Deonment]

I'm not posting after this and just leaving it to the OP's discretion because I have other things I would rather spend my time on that this

It still doesn't matter. As long as they are connected it makes no difference. Also it has interdimensional range so no biggie

Nope, not only is that not how it works, she isn't reaching the Archeon Eon Mountain

An ability does infact have to say "passive" coz that's how passive works, it has to be said. You're getting it the other way around. It's not that he is going to supresss it. It is that normally in character he doesn't walk around freezing the planets as he moves. He normally suppresses it and then when he needs to release it to fight he does. So it will be suppressed before match starts via sba and then would be unleashed the moment the fight starts. He can do nothing

We do not and have never treated it that way, there is no rule stating as such, we assume that characters who have to actively hold back have their auras are turned on the moment a fight starts (see literally every cultivator, Ainz's Despair auras, etc), in adddition there is no rule stating that an ability has to be stated to be passive on the profile to actually be passive (especially back in early 2021 when the profile was made)

So she gets frozen

They can't ignore that instinct, you know why? Coz it's manipulating them on the level of RW and info type 2 which they don't have resistance to. Your argument makes no sense. And yeah people have different reactions but the common is they can never do anything that can cause her harm. Also check the scan you're bringing up . Ada specifically says "because shadow paralysis is a jutsu that can't cause me harm you are allowed to use it". Don't read just coz you want to win some argument

No???
Just because a power is rooted in something doesn't suddenly override the fact that its only targeting a specific section of a person's mind (the instinct/unconscious), and thus anyone who can simply just ignore those aspects should be compeletly fine, even moreso when it very much shows that people are still completely capable of thinking freely, including to the point of thinking of bringing her harm, under it. Meng genuinely just uses any of his thought-based moves under his repertoire, and she explodes because he isn't subject to his instincts.

no wtf? That is one of the applications of omnipotence and not what the ability is. The ability itself can alter reality at the most fundamental level, that has absolutely nothing to do with chakra.. Also by chakra they mean every energy source available. They call the rotational energy of the planet "earth's chakra"

You mean the same application of omnipotence that is not treated in any way separate from any other usage of it, such as the charm, the same omnipotence that is used and lore dumped in the same conversation as the one where what it actually is explained, and then goes on to explain and call out, the changing of the chakra of the world (which, by the way, is how literally every other instance of mental fuckery in naruto works, literally the entire field of genjutsu is changing the chakra of the target), as being a)The source of the memory manipulation b)the apparent main usage of omnipotence by the divine otsutsuki aws to **** with humanties' memories
Also, why in amaterasu's fiery sun would they be referring to anything else but actual chakra in this context? We literally know of other non-chakra energy types, natural energy exists and is what god trees feed on, especially when, as I mentioned before, the basis of genjutsu is the alteration of chakra, even shit like Izanagi, which is just actively warping reality, is a genjutsu instead placed upon reality (and isn't that similar huh), even shit like the creation of all things and what have you use Chakra as a medium.
To claim that Omnipotence for some reason doesn't use one of chakra or natural energy, when Omnipotence is a form of Jutsu no less, simply because of a single statement of it being a programming language of the gods, would require an obscene suspension of disbelief and completely ignoring the entire rest of what we know about the verse.

The battle starts and he can't do or activate anything to harm Ada. He just becomes her slave, case closed. Will power doesn't help you resist rw + info type 2. If you like be supernaturally willed

Willpower absolutely lets you do stuff when said "rw and info manip" only changes your instinct, and thus literally anyone who can overcome their instincts can say "lol no" to that

 

[DaReaperMan]

Hey, fun fact, no, Ainz's despair auras are not passive for the reason he always keeps them off. It has been this way since at least 2019, two years before your profile was made.

 

[Deonment]

Hey, fun fact, no, Ainz's despair auras are not passive for the reason he always keeps them off. It has been this way since at least 2019, two years before your profile was made.

I remember specifically seeing this convo being had about how we treat a power someone naturally has always on but actively chooses to repress being on at start of SBA, and ainz (as part of one too many CN characters) showing up as an example of "yes this would be considered passive by our standards"

 

[DaReaperMan]

I remember specifically seeing this convo being had about how we treat a power someone naturally has always on but actively chooses to repress being on at start of SBA, and ainz (as part of one too many CN characters) showing up as an example of "yes this would be considered passive by our standards"

Ainz has five despair auras. He can only have one on at a time.

What is ACTUALLY a passive is his life leech on touch. If he touches someone skin to bone, no matter how much he represses it, it still drains.

 

[DontTalkDT]

I remember specifically seeing this convo being had about how we treat a power someone naturally has always on but actively chooses to repress being on at start of SBA, and ainz (as part of one too many CN characters) showing up as an example of "yes this would be considered passive by our standards"

I remember a debate with the opposite conclusion. In fact, let's take a look at the SBA:

Preparation time: None. That means there is no time between the character knowing there is going to be some battle and the point they may start killing each other. They are, in a single instant, transported to the battlefield from their everyday activities, equipped with their equipment, transformed to the character version they battle in and given the correct state of mind. In the same instant the battle starts and they may attack each other. They are assumed to not be surprised or disorientated from the sudden start.

Characters specifically arrive in battle 0 seconds after doing their everyday activities.
At no point it says that they get to take any mental action. Taking an action like unleashing a power would be prep time and if it's only prep time of the length of one thought.

 

[karo_senpaii]

I'm not posting after this and just leaving it to the OP's discretion because I have other things I would rather spend my time on that this

Nope, not only is that not how it works, she isn't reaching the Archeon Eon Mountain

That's how it works dude. I likes he got multiple minds disconnected from each other it works the same and if she has the range she is reaching it

We do not and have never treated it that way, there is no rule stating as such, we assume that characters who have to actively hold back have their auras are turned on the moment a fight starts (see literally every cultivator, Ainz's Despair auras, etc), in adddition there is no rule stating that an ability has to be stated to be passive on the profile to actually be passive (especially back in early 2021 when the profile was made)

There is a rule. It's called indexing abilities. If you want to make it passive then update the damn profile, that's not my fault.

So she gets frozen

No???
Just because a power is rooted in something doesn't suddenly override the fact that its only targeting a specific section of a person's mind (the instinct/unconscious), and thus anyone who can simply just ignore those aspects should be compeletly fine, even moreso when it very much shows that people are still completely capable of thinking freely, including to the point of thinking of bringing her harm, under it. Meng genuinely just uses any of his thought-based moves under his repertoire, and she explodes because he isn't subject to his instincts.

It targets the person's mind and not just the subconscious. It's targeting the most fundamental part. And no people are not capable of doing that. This was the first encounter delta had on Ada, she tried to attack her and immediately fell under it. Absolutely no one can think of even hurting her not to talk of doing it when under her ability. Idk where you're getting this idea that people plot against her even when under it

You mean the same application of omnipotence that is not treated in any way separate from any other usage of it, such as the charm, the same omnipotence that is used and lore dumped in the same conversation as the one where what it actually is explained, and then goes on to explain and call out, the changing of the chakra of the world (which, by the way, is how literally every other instance of mental fuckery in naruto works, literally the entire field of genjutsu is changing the chakra of the target), as being a)The source of the memory manipulation b)the apparent main usage of omnipotence by the divine otsutsuki aws to **** with humanties' memories
Also, why in amaterasu's fiery sun would they be referring to anything else but actual chakra in this context? We literally know of other non-chakra energy types, natural energy exists and is what god trees feed on, especially when, as I mentioned before, the basis of genjutsu is the alteration of chakra, even shit like Izanagi, which is just actively warping reality, is a genjutsu instead placed upon reality (and isn't that similar huh), even shit like the creation of all things and what have you use Chakra as a medium.
To claim that Omnipotence for some reason doesn't use one of chakra or natural energy, when Omnipotence is a form of Jutsu no less, simply because of a single statement of it being a programming language of the gods, would require an obscene suspension of disbelief and completely ignoring the entire rest of what we know about the verse.

Willpower absolutely lets you do stuff when said "rw and info manip" only changes your instinct, and thus literally anyone who can overcome their instincts can say "lol no" to that

There's no need to argue with this dudu response. You basically said " it only works on chakra" . This isn't even worth a response as there's no need to argue on something already accepted on the wiki

 

[DaReaperMan]

There is a rule. It's called indexing abilities. If you want to make it passive then update the damn profile, that's not my fault.

Most profiles here don't index passives differently.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Most profiles here don't index passives differently.

I didn't word it well. What I meant was you're meant to attach the word "passive" to an ability that is passive when listing on profiles..

 

[DaReaperMan]

I didn't word it well. What I meant was you're meant to attach the word "passive" to an ability that is passive when listing on profiles..

No. You're not. It's one of those things that's allowed, but not mandatory, like bullet points. Or a tabbered intelligence section.

 

[karo_senpaii]

No. You're not. It's one of those things that's allowed, but not mandatory, like bullet points. Or a tabbered intelligence section.

Yeah bro this argument isn't necessary

 

[Qurbonboev]

Put Kris Dreemurr instead of Frisk in tier 8-A list(for most part they are just more haxed version of Frisk). Frisk should sit in tier high 8-C.
About tier 7-B: What Hel, Touhou Karuna and Badd Virtus can do to stop Kris from eventually killings them? And who is the most haxed and strongest character in Under Night in Birth?

 

[DontTalkDT]

Put Kris Dreemurr instead of Frisk in tier 8-A list(for most part they are just more haxed version of Frisk). Frisk should sit in tier high 8-C.
About tier 7-B: What Hel, Touhou Karuna and Badd Virtus can do to stop Kris from eventually killings them? And who is the most haxed and strongest character in Under Night in Birth?

Hel summons this one, who oneshots.
Karuna just steals all his abilities and then keeps him frozen in time forever.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Oh ye I forgot about 7-B;

Hel summons this one, who oneshots.
Karuna just steals all his abilities and then keeps him frozen in time forever.

How well do you think Neo Hargraves does against them? He resists Time stop shenanigans (Via Elements), as well as Power Mimicry among other things. His aura just crushes everything, fears them, and powernulls them (with a few layers), and he got thought-based death stuff, EE stuff, CM2 and Info2, High-Godly Regen, can both stop time and devour it, as well as a damage reduction that nullifies 40-50% of absolutely everything that affects him.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Hel summons this one, who oneshots.
Karuna just steals all his abilities and then keeps him frozen in time forever.

How fast does she can summon her?(Her summon is technically from different verse, but judging from author of both of them being same author it's not a problem).
How does Karuna time stop and power absorption work? Is it 1 frame move?

 

[DontTalkDT]

Oh ye I forgot about 7-B;

How well do you think Neo Hargraves does against them? He resists Time stop shenanigans (Via Elements), as well as Power Mimicry among other things. His aura just crushes everything, fears them, and powernulls them (with a few layers), and he got thought-based death stuff, EE stuff, CM2 and Info2, High-Godly Regen, can both stop time and devour it, as well as a damage reduction that nullifies 40-50% of absolutely everything that affects him.

Power mimicry resistance isn't power stealing resistance.

I think overall it depends which of the stuff comes out how fast. Neither would survive instant thought-based CM2 erasure without travel time, if that's what's happening.

Edit: And why does that profile have 4 P&A tabs, but only 3 keys?

How fast does she can summon her?(Her summon is technically from different verse, but judging from author of both of them being same author it's not a problem).
How does Karuna time stop and power absorption work? Is it 1 frame move?

Yeah, Hel's summoning runs on a onesided canon, as she is a crossover character from series of the same author.
For time, hard to say precisely. It takes about 1 page after she enters this key to summon stuff. The fact that she starts with the 6-A sin tornado around her also helps with buying time, though.

Karuna's stuff is thought-based.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Karuna's stuff is thought-based

Good then.
Debate can be concluded

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Power mimicry resistance isn't power stealing resistance.

He resists it btw.

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[DontTalkDT]

He resists it btw.

The equivalence is debatable.

 

[OrangeFR]

Hel summons this one, who oneshots.
Karuna just steals all his abilities and then keeps him frozen in time forever.

Kris is they/them btw

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Nominating this guy for 2-C

Inchoate World

This is one of the twenty-two symbols of karma and fate. Its sins slumber in the deep recesses of memory, but are awakened by a premature meeting. Its divinity challenged, it kindles the embers of rebellion once more. Tier: At least 2-C | 1-C Name: Hyest, Inchoate World, The World Origin...

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idk what 2-C has atm

To summarize what he can do, he excels in evolution and scheming, or not always directly fighting enemies or using his enemies to actually assist him in his evolution and plans.
Lethal moves include absorption and power absorption that can go up to the 7D or 8D level. He can also lock people out of his dimension if he wants to stall while destroying reality from the outside

 

[Eseseso]

Scarlet Witch is now 8-C instead of High 8-C, so remove her from the High 8-C list and replace her with Doctor Strange at the #3 spot on the list. Scarlet Witch can go right next to Storm at #2 on the 8-C list.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Characters from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya should be in 10-B ngl

 

[Eseseso]

Scarlet Witch is now 8-C instead of High 8-C, so remove her from the High 8-C list and replace her with Doctor Strange at the #3 spot on the list. Scarlet Witch can go right next to Storm at #2 on the 8-C list.

Bump

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Characters from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya should be in 10-B ngl

which spot?

 

[Eseseso]

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Scarlet Witch should share the #2 8-C spot with Storm

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

which spot?

I’d say #11 for now.

 

[Steve1775]

I nominate this character for 6-C and 7-B. The character now has an actual striking strength value.

Xeno a

Xeno a is a human from the capital city of Devanagara who works at a state-owned casino. They were born with the immensely powerful ability to freely manipulate probability, causing everything to go in their favor even when they didn't want it to. They quickly grew bored with their life, and as...

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[DontTalkDT]

I nominate this character for 6-C and 7-B. The character now has an actual striking strength value.

Xeno a

Xeno a is a human from the capital city of Devanagara who works at a state-owned casino. They were born with the immensely powerful ability to freely manipulate probability, causing everything to go in their favor even when they didn't want it to. They quickly grew bored with their life, and as...

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For the free spots or who do you think they beat?

 

[Steve1775]

For the free spots or who do you think they beat?

Free spots for now.

 

[Eseseso]

Godzilla should be #3 on the 8-B list and #3 on the High 7-A list.

Various Low 1-A smurf haxxes (including some passives IIRC), causality hax and reality warping, a Low 1-A attack in his High 7-A key, and 1-A Type 9 immortality

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Wouldn't the Homestuck High 1-A's (for now) share the same spot as Maria from Umineko, they are around the same level just from what I'm seeing, as well as characters like LE having passives (I'm ignoring MSPA Reader, yeah he transcends them right now but ehhh)

 

[OFAtomicSamurai]

Saitama for 9-B

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Saitama for 9-B

No he gets hax stomped.

 

[Eseseso]

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Godzilla should be #3 on the 8-B list and #3 on the High 7-A list.

Various Low 1-A smurf haxxes (including some passives IIRC), causality hax and reality warping, a Low 1-A attack in his High 7-A key, and 1-A Type 9 immortality

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Since smurf hax got reworked, meaning that (almost) any hax below 1-A potency is on the same level (basically, if it's below 1-A, everyone essentially has Low 1-A hax), what has changed?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Since smurf hax got reworked, meaning that (almost) any hax below 1-A potency is on the same level (basically, if it's below 1-A, everyone essentially has Low 1-A hax), what has changed?

Nothing--

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Nothing--

Ok.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Ok.

I was joking lmfao

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I was joking lmfao

Ok.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Since smurf hax got reworked, meaning that (almost) any hax below 1-A potency is on the same level (basically, if it's below 1-A, everyone essentially has Low 1-A hax), what has changed?

When was this? I thought this didn't apply to very specific circumstances likea soul thats 5D in size would require soul hax on that level? Or dod I just get it all wrong lol?