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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

If Metal Sonic returned after Mania for comics and Superstars, whats up with another Metal in 4 Little Planet? :VVVVV

I was gonna shitpost but it technically is chronologically debut of Modern Metal so it might work despite being obvious mistake lol
 
TMaakkonen said:
If Metal Sonic returned after Mania for comics and Superstars, whats up with another Metal in 4 Little Planet? :VVVVV

I was gonna shitpost but it technically is chronologically debut of Modern Metal so it might work despite being obvious mistake lol
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Technically you could say Eggman built another Metal Sonic, but I'd personally just chalk it up to the lore being chaotic and Mania/Superstars being created after Sonic 4 was made.
 
Direct Metal Sonic and Sonic upscale from all of Eggman's creations including Egg Dragoon and Nega Wisp Armor???? /hj
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TheStinkeer said:
Actually I might happily take this back bc the scene where it talks about the canon could take place before the flashback with The End, but I'd need to start a new save file to make 100% sure

above planet and mountain level Super Forms and Titans is possible??? /j
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While I'm still not there yet, it also makes sense for the scene where they talk about the canon to be before The End flashback. Because Sonic has already seen the canons, or at least similarly looking canons, firing. Then again it's the same game that pretended the Egg Carrier was the only beam weapon Sonic has ever seen in his life so
McFriesGuy075 said:
That depends on which creations of Eggman that Omega has knowledge on/has seen
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I'd say he probably has a far amount of information, especially since he found out about Time Eater, was hunting it, and GUN was apparently keeping tabs on Eggman as he worked on Time Eater. But yeah that's more speculative
 
MusicRelaxing said:
boredom has led me to ask friends for sonic hot takes, no not the same one who made the tierlist
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Disagree about it being easy to understand, Sonic scaling really is not easy otherwise we wouldn't have such a large gap between the scaling here and people who don't think even Super Sonic is above light speed and planet level
 
MusicRelaxing said:
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Meant as a slight exaggeration but yeah there's a fair amount of people who don't think Base Sonic gets past tier 5 and likely isn't light speed, I'm pretty sure anyways.

But yeah like for example, we have stuff like Egg Wizard where you have a huge gap between people who think it's low multi at bare minimum and people who think it's only planetary at best
(And don't even get me started on scaling regarding the Eclipse Canon, we have stuff like Super Sonic getting one shot out of Super by the Ancients lasers that aren't on the eclipse canon's level despite fighting the Titans like two seconds ago. Eclipse Canon solos Solaris ig 😭)
 
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TheStinkeer said:
Disagree about it being easy to understand, Sonic scaling really is not easy otherwise we wouldn't have such a large gap between the scaling here and people who don't think even Super Sonic is above light speed and planet level
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To the average Joe maybe it’d be difficult to understand, but genuinely our cosmology page is ludicrously easy to understand if you just take the time to read over it and do your research on the tiering system🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Question about heavy king. So it's established that classic sonic is the younger version of modern sonic, correct? And Sonic Mania takes place after generations, correct? And in that game, he was able to fight on par with a post-generations classic super sonic. wouldn't that make him, and the phantom ruby by extension, higher than low multi? This is a question, i'm just looking for a answer. not here to debate.
 
MugenKage said:
To the average Joe maybe it’d be difficult to understand, but genuinely our cosmology page is ludicrously easy to understand if you just take the time to read over it and do your research on the tiering system🤷🏻‍♂️
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I agree that the wiki itself is fairly easy to understand but of course people are going to disagree with it one way or another due to Sonic as a franchise, and with all the conflicting viewpoints and evidence it's a huge mess
 
OldestDream2 said:
Question about heavy king. So it's established that classic sonic is the younger version of modern sonic, correct? And Sonic Mania takes place after generations, correct? And in that game, he was able to fight on par with a post-generations classic super sonic. wouldn't that make him, and the phantom ruby by extension, higher than low multi? This is a question, i'm just looking for a answer. not here to debate.
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The way this wiki seems to take it is that the timeline corrects itself completely after Gens, so Classic Sonic is back to his normal power. (That or Classic Sonic is 100% from an alternate dimension.) Additionally Sonic Mania seemingly already happened for Modern Sonic, as supported by the Sonic World Story on Sonic Channel. It also makes scaling more consistent and make more sense in that regard to take this all into account
 
OldestDream2 said:
wait, normal power? does this imply that classic was amped during gens? I don't understand that.
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No not to say he was amped, things just, went back to normal.

Of course this doesn't even make sense within the most downplayed interpretation of the Sonic verse, SEGA was just not thinking about these things during Gens and Forces. And if Mania is supposed to take place before Adventure then to avoid a confusing mess it's easier to say that things just went back to normal
 
final question:why is mephilies only high universal and only has MFTL+ speed? he fights a doom-amped generations shadow and puts up a pretty good fight, being able to keep up with him and deal some good damage as well? Obviously that was generations era and he has been powercrept since then but why is his page still like that? I have some images of gens here but idk how to post them on this
 
OldestDream2 said:
final question:why is mephilies only high universal and only has MFTL+ speed? he fights a doom-amped generations shadow and puts up a pretty good fight, being able to keep up with him and deal some good damage as well? Obviously that was generations era and he has been powercrept since then but why is his page still like that? I have some images of gens here but idk how to post them on this
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Doom Power amped Shadow tier is yet to be decided in a CRT, which would affect that instance of Mephiles.
 
in yall's personal opinion, do you believe the sonic cast grows stronger over time, like sonic? i believe this to be true, especially with silver and surge.
 
OldestDream2 said:
in yall's personal opinion, do you believe the sonic cast grows stronger over time, like sonic? i believe this to be true, especially with silver and surge.
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Yeah, heck it's a fact that they do. Battle, Colors DS, and Forces are just a few examples which name it out loud
 
OldestDream2 said:
in yall's personal opinion, do you believe the sonic cast grows stronger over time, like sonic? i believe this to be true, especially with silver and surge.
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I don't think of any of them grow over time, personally. Too many plot points fall apart if they do jump tiers in strength within a week, imo, among other issues.
 
Also slightly related, but what evidence is there that classic gets amped to be equal to modern, and then looses it at the end of Gens?
 
MysticMania said:
Also slightly related, but what evidence is there that classic gets amped to be equal to modern, and then looses it at the end of Gens?
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Well the proof for him getting to that level is him being able to keep up with Modern at all in the game. And we know Classic Sonic has gotten stronger over the years as there's numerous numerous numerous statements of him getting stronger/faster as well as feats of that that paint a natural path of progression. Yet Classic was able to reach that level. Plus it's consistent with other instances of AD, and statements of Sonic being able to grow stronger under certain circumstances to face whatever challenge is in front of him.

As for losing it, it's due to a retcon where SEGA had the timeline correct itself after those games to cover up inconsistencies.
 
LaserPrecision said:
As for losing it, it's due to a retcon where SEGA had the timeline correct itself after those games to cover up inconsistencies.
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This is what I mean in terms of his amp. How did he grow stronger and why did it go away? I don't remember SEGA covering that.
 
Wow, Twitter sucks so ******* bad, I'm actually seeing (way too many) people ***** about Sonic having decent lifting feats in BoC. They want their Fragile Speedster headcanon instead of accepting the Lightning Bruiser reality.
 
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Issen_Mk_III said:
Wow, Twitter sucks so ******* bad, I'm actually seeing (way too many) people ***** about Sonic having decent lifting feats in BoC.
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I mean this isn't Twitter exclusive, a lot of Sonic fans don't even want Sonic going lightspeed bc it's not realistic (as if this franchise is realistic in the first place)
 
Issen_Mk_III said:
Wow, Twitter sucks so ******* bad, I'm actually seeing (way too many) people ***** about Sonic having decent lifting feats in BoC.
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Complaining about that shit is genuinely so damn corny 💀 The panels were absolutely kickass with gorgeous art to capture a badass moment. Like at this point I don't know what to call it but an agenda

"NOOOOOOO Sonic has noodle arms, his thing is RUNNING not LIFTING!"
Issen_Mk_III said:
They want their Fragile Speedster headcanon instead of accepting the Lightning Bruiser reality.
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This is probably the single-greatest way I've seen it put in so few words.
 
Speaking of LS it sure is weird that we're claiming that clashing with the Phantom King is Class K for Classic-era characters, when there's a quite more blatant feat...

Bobsican said:
Hey, remember that one LS feat in Rooftop Run in Generations I brought up earlier? Well, the remaster makes this less of a chain reaction as the gears behind the clock can be seen, and it's evident Classic Sonic somehow has the LS to push that large one unless we make further assumptions on how the clock hands would move, so it could be calc material.
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If no one's going to calc it, it could safely be eye-balled to Class K.
 
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