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Yet another Hoyoverse cosmology downgrade

Super_Nova said:
1) This is js the same shitty “MWI” IT has. Its explicitly not applicable for Hypertimeline. (Nor do branching timelines in general apply)

2) Does this mean Irontomb only destroyed a single branch lmao
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No you literally have an on screen showing universe (IT) getting destroyed where all stars dim and number drops from infinity to zero
 
Voidnether said:
Imaginary Tree containing all of the "MWI" leaf worlds would be a temporal dimension in itself instead of purely spatial, branching timelines here are different space-time continuums so I don't see your point lol. I feel like you forgot that back in the Immeasurable Speed thread in which you didn't argue against them moving through time like a spatial dimension, Imaginary Tree being the data (Nagamitsu's explanation), etc proves it's a significant 5-D hypertimeline. I'm making a thread about this and for all I care, I disagree with the OP lol.
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All of this is js 2-A, but since Aeons and the like only scale to their Branch/Space-Time then they don’t scale to the whole tree

And since 5D is only applicable for the space encompassing the entire Tree then noone in Hoyo is above Low 2-C holy shit 😭😭😭
 
Super_Nova said:
That scan Nether js sent is so doomed bro. Ya’ll better start arguing it’s non-canon cuz In genuinely about to send this verse to Genshin level. (Which it is, since apparently Honkai and Genshin are js the same Space-Time in a different timeline 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭)
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Another GGZ downscale
 
Super_Nova said:
That scan Nether js sent is so doomed bro. Ya’ll better start arguing it’s non-canon cuz In genuinely about to send this verse to Genshin level. (Which it is, since apparently Honkai and Genshin are js the same Space-Time in a different timeline 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭)
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i mean he took it from ******* discord so thats enough info to be not taken seriously
Anyway this nether stuff doesnt even have anything to do with crt. alr left a comment regarding the OP so yall should genuenly fight in another crt
 
Super_Nova said:
Well, technically if Yog transcends the entire Tree, then she wouldn’t be bound by Branches/Timelines and control the whole thing so I’d argue she could still possibly be L1C
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I mean, the work in general. Stuff like Wonderland, Dreamlands, etc., shouldn’t go past Low 2-C either.
 
Super_Nova said:
Wait isn’t GGZ a branching timelines of Hi3 lol? Maybe they do cap lmao
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Guess what:

Q. 전작과 주요 등장인물이 거의 동일합니다. '붕괴학원2'와 스토리 상 어떻게 연결되나요?

The previous game and the main characters are quite similar. How are Houkai Gakuen 2 and its story connected to the previous installment?

'붕괴3rd'와 '붕괴학원2'는 평행세계의 관계로 최초 두 개의 평행세계는 동일했습니다. '붕괴 학원 2' 스토리 중반 키아나 일행이 히메코를 따라 성프레이아 학원에 도착했는데 어떤 신비한 요소의 영향으로 세계선에 변동이 일어나며 '붕괴3r'와 '붕괴학원2'의 스토리가 나뉘게 됩니다. 기본적으 로 같은 세계관에서 파생되다보니 같은 캐릭터가 상당수 등장합니다. 키아나의 아버지 지크프리트 와 어머니 세실리아, 브로냐의 동생 제레 등등...

Honkai Impact 3rd and Houkai Gakuen 2 are connected through a parallel universe concept. Initially, the two parallel worlds were identical. In the middle of the story in Houkai Gakuen 2, Kiana and her team arrive at St. Freya Academy following Himeko. Due to the influence of a mysterious element, a shift in the world's timeline occurs, causing the stories of Honkai Impact 3rd and Houkai Gakuen 2 to diverge. Since they derive from the same universe, many of the same characters appear in both games, such as Kiana's parents Siegfried and Cecilia, and Bronya's younger sibling Seele.
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I bet that sooner or later someone would drag my ass to this thread
Voidnether said:
Funniest part is that it was off an official google document in HSR's official discord server explaining about the Imaginary Tree given it was directly from the Pompom Application they have in there everytime someone mentions whether HI3, HSR and Genshin Impact are on the same universe or not
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Super_Nova said:
That scan Nether js sent is so doomed bro. Ya’ll better start arguing it’s non-canon cuz In genuinely about to send this verse to Genshin level. (Which it is, since apparently Honkai and Genshin are js the same Space-Time in a different timeline 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭)
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PedjaTarzan said:
i mean he took it from ******* discord so thats enough info to be not taken seriously
Anyway this nether stuff doesnt even have anything to do with crt. alr left a comment regarding the OP so yall should genuenly fight in another crt
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A timeline is a branch of Imaginary Tree, it is directly stated in Thus Spoke Apocalypse animated video



Otto created another branch for Kallen, which stated directly by him to be space-time and is future, there is also a video of devs talking about Otto created possibilities for Kallen which again referring to tree branch

So the Tree is still 5D Low 1-C i guess. There is also an unknown higher dimension where Su ascended to in his manga but we don't know much about that dimension
 
Vietthai96 said:
I bet that sooner or later someone would drag my ass to this thread



A timeline is a branch of Imaginary Tree, it is directly stated in Thus Spoke Apocalypse animated video



Otto created another branch for Kallen, which stated directly by him to be space-time and is future, there is also a video of devs talking about Otto created possibilities for Kallen which again referring to tree branch

So the Tree is still 5D Low 1-C i guess. There is also an unknown higher dimension where Su ascended to in his manga but we don't know much about that dimension
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the problem i see is that irontomb explicitly destroyed the universe thats consistently called imaginary tree in both hsr and hi3 which holds all branches and leaf worlds but this guy somehow got it to be only one branch
 
PedjaTarzan said:
the problem i see is that irontomb explicitly destroyed the universe thats consistently called imaginary tree in both hsr and hi3 which holds all branches and leaf worlds but this guy somehow got it to be only one branch
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You’re js conflating terms lol. We can also say Irontomb is 3-C through the same logic.

You have to, ya know, use context when speaking.
 
Super_Nova said:
You’re js conflating terms lol. We can also say Irontomb is 3-C through the same logic.
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what term am i conflating, we know universe is consistently refered to imaginary tree, leafes are all star systems/galaxies in the universe with branches being future possibilites.
Guess what? Nous calculates future possibilites by choosing which branch stays and which branch gets pruned.
when irontomb nuked cosmos zandar literally tells you that Nous will recalculate the universe, meaning he had to recaluclate every branch in the universe only to choose destruction as its answer because at that point irontomb would already coronate itself into Nous and guide every one of his calculation to destruction.
YOU are the one conflating terms when u say Irontomb destroyed Universe but also destroyed just one branch which makes no ******* sense.
Then saying "Genshin and Honkai in a separate branch" okay and? otto can quite literally see genshin branch across IMAGINARY TREE btw.
This is something that has been repeated over and over, you literally have to twist apart entire cosmology just to make sure Irontomb feat caps at one branch instead of entire universe.
 
PedjaTarzan said:
what term am i conflating, we know universe is consistently refered to imaginary tree, leafes are all star systems/galaxies in the universe with branches being future possibilites.
Guess what? Nous calculates future possibilites by choosing which branch stays and which branch gets pruned.
when irontomb nuked cosmos zandar literally tells you that Nous will recalculate the universe, meaning he had to recaluclate every branch in the universe only to choose destruction as its answer because at that point irontomb would already coronate itself into Nous and guide every one of his calculation to destruction.
YOU are the one conflating terms when u say Irontomb destroyed Universe but also destroyed just one branch which makes no ******* sense.
Then saying "Genshin and Honkai in a separate branch" okay and? otto can quite literally see genshin branch across IMAGINARY TREE btw.
This is something that has been repeated over and over, you literally have to twist apart entire cosmology just to make sure Irontomb feat caps at one branch instead of entire universe.
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Negative. Tracking.
 
Super_Nova said:
Negative. Tracking.
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so we concede that irontomb destroys universe and still caps at one branch of the universe. personally only ******* larpers like you can do it. so yeah id just leave you and nether to self destruct cosmology with your ******** ass takes atp.
thats how bad this verse has come when hi3 larper with 0h spent into game tells me i have negative tracking when he cannot connect one dot to another. this is so funny man
 
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IM crine bro, we got all understand what imaginary tree is and how it holds all branches and leaves so when it gets destroyed all of that shit gets destroyed too but now its just one branch despite being one mere part of the same universe destroyed by irontomb. man this fandom is doomed 💀
 
They have to calculate possibilities to determine the branch/timeline the universe will be taken in.

Why do you think in some futures Nanook wins and in some other he doesn’t?
 
Super_Nova said:
They have to calculate possibilities to determine the branch/timeline the universe will be taken in.
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and they calculate all the possibilites of the universe when irontomb destroyed it, this is why zandar says "THEY will recalculate THE UNIVERSE" and not just the "FUTURE"
Super_Nova said:
Why do you think in some futures Nanook wins and in some other he doesn’t?
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those are the future foreseen by Terminus themselves, this has nothing to do with Nous stuff, kafka already tells you that terminus has already foreseen all possible futures in which nanook wins almost every single one of them which only one spark of hope that can stop them from winning, this is just power of finality
 
PedjaTarzan said:
and they calculate all the possibilites of the universe when irontomb destroyed it, this is why zandar says "THEY will recalculate THE UNIVERSE" and not just the "FUTURE"
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Yes. Their universe. And then calculate which branch it will be taken in.

PedjaTarzan said:
those are the future foreseen by Terminus themselves, this has nothing to do with Nous stuff, kafka already tells you that terminus has already foreseen all possible futures in which nanook wins almost every single one of them which only one spark of hope that can stop them from winning, this is just power of finality
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Ye. It has seen those futures as branches to take the universe in. If Nanook won in some of those, how come the tree still exists?

Voidnether said:
Path Space > all these timelines and branches lol..
This is actually next level larping
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Heavily depends what part of Imaginary Space we’re talking about. And I alr said higher-D spaces are outside the leaves so I’m not against making them have higher-D hax even if they don’t scale above Low 2-C
 
Super_Nova said:
Yes. Their universe. And then calculate which branch it will be taken in.
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The universe as imaginary tree man...the branches are just part of it... oh god
Super_Nova said:
Ye. It has seen those futures as branches to take the universe in. If Nanook won in some of those, how come the tree still exists?
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because those futures are yet to come, kafka explicitly tells you "You will eventually have to face Nanook" so until that time comes we dont know what future would happen that would decide fate of the universe. we already saw it happen with irontomb that cyrene has restored, otherwise universe would be gone for good and restored without Nous themselves to exist.
 
The very idea that the Irontomb wiped out all life across the entire Imaginary Tree creates huge in-universe logistical problems for practically every HoYoverse IP.

I seriously doubt they’d do something like that, no matter how much it all ends up being “restored” afterward.
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
The very idea that the Irontomb wiped out all life across the entire Imaginary Tree creates huge in-universe logistical problems for practically every HoYoverse IP.

I seriously doubt they’d do something like that, no matter how much it all ends up being “restored” afterward.
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thats on you to prove, because every context in regards of wiping out the tree was explicitly talking about universe itself. its not my fault that hey made sure Irontomb outscales 99% of hoyo itself bar aeons. this is just vibe scaling atp.
 
PedjaTarzan said:
The universe as imaginary tree man...the branches are just part of it... oh god
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The branches are timelines/universes and the leaves are the galaxies in it. The scans literally say this.

PedjaTarzan said:
because those futures are yet to come, kafka explicitly tells you "You will eventually have to face Nanook" so until that time comes we dont know what future would happen that would decide fate of the universe. we already saw it happen with irontomb that cyrene has restored, otherwise universe would be gone for good and restored without Nous themselves to exist.
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Fuli exists in the future but also no.

Terminus exists in the future but also no.

Genshin exists but also no.

GGZ exists but also no.

Other branches exist but also no.
 
PedjaTarzan said:
thats on you to prove, because every context in regards of wiping out the tree was explicitly talking about universe itself. its not my fault that hey made sure Irontomb outscales 99% of hoyo itself bar aeons. this is just vibe scaling atp.
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Universe can mean both the Tree and a Branch. There’s literally nothing against this except for the fact you don’t wanna believe these mfs don’t scale to it.

Whatever though, this is completely irrelevant to this CRT. I’ll make a downgrade one in the future.
 
PedjaTarzan said:
thats on you to prove, because every context in regards of wiping out the tree was explicitly talking about universe itself. its not my fault that hey made sure Irontomb outscales 99% of hoyo itself bar aeons. this is just vibe scaling atp.
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Prove what, exactly? Lmao. Nova already debunked your line of argument. I’m just adding that it makes zero sense from a corporate standpoint to have every element of universes belonging to the company’s active IPs (with stories still in development) get annihilated out of nowhere just because.
 
Super_Nova said:
The branches are timelines/universes and the leaves are the galaxies in it. The scans literally say this.
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and they all belong into imaginary tree so whats the problem then? do you just not choose to understand this or what. when all branches are part of Imaginary Tree that irontomb destroys theres genuenly no way for irontomb to be capped at one branch.
Like if you get me detailed explanation how is destruction of imaginary tree equal to destroying one branch of imaginary tree only then am i gonna accept this, but like this ur just making false claim how something destroying entire structure itself means only one part of that structure is destroyed.
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
The very idea that the Irontomb wiped out all life across the entire Imaginary Tree creates huge in-universe logistical problems for practically every HoYoverse IP.

I seriously doubt they’d do something like that, no matter how much it all ends up being “restored” afterward.
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Different time section exist btw
 
PedjaTarzan said:
and they all belong into imaginary tree so whats the problem then? do you just not choose to understand this or what. when all branches are part of Imaginary Tree that irontomb destroys theres genuenly no way for irontomb to be capped at one branch.
Like if you get me detailed explanation how is destruction of imaginary tree equal to destroying one branch of imaginary tree only then am i gonna accept this, but like this ur just making false claim how something destroying entire structure itself means only one part of that structure is destroyed.
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You’ll eventually get used to Low 2-C just like you did with Low 1-C. It’s alr Woomy
 
Super_Nova said:
You’ll eventually get used to Low 2-C just like you did with Low 1-C. It’s alr Woomy
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Holy cope LOL
ExcelsisBerny said:
Prove what, exactly? Lmao. Nova already debunked your line of argument. I’m just adding that it makes zero sense from a corporate standpoint to have every element of universes belonging to the company’s active IPs (with stories still in development) get annihilated out of nowhere just because.
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Through what? Just because Irontomb's attack didn't attack Genshin even if Genshin isn't on the same timeframe as HSR? Wow Irontomb's attack didnt affect the HI3 universe BECAUSE THEY WERE TAKEN AT A DIFFERENT TIMEFRAME 💔💔💔
 
Voidnether said:
Through what? Just because Irontomb's attack didn't attack Genshin even if Genshin isn't on the same timeframe as HSR? Wow Irontomb's attack didnt affect the HI3 universe BECAUSE THEY WERE TAKEN AT A DIFFERENT TIMEFRAME 💔💔💔
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What is bro yapping about
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
Prove what, exactly? Lmao. Nova already debunked your line of argument. I’m just adding that it makes zero sense from a corporate standpoint to have every element of universes belonging to the company’s active IPs (with stories still in development) get annihilated out of nowhere just because.
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so like:
Zandar plans to use irontomb to nuke IT
Nous recalutlates universe by recalculating all possible branches.
Irontomb just coronates into bro and gudies all those calculations to destruction
IT is completely destroyed.
you and nova: "THATS JUST THE BRANCH BRO!!!!"
its not like we literally almost had this if herta didnt coronate into Nous before Irontomb.
Then Cyrene used power of remembrance to restore life across the entire universe.
And if we are really gonna separate the verses across branches.
How is welt capable of going into hsr verse?
how did sparkle enter hi3 verse?
How did otto spectate genshin impact from IT by looking into second key
How did surtalogi manage to travel across the universe if they are all separate anyways despite hoyoverse outright connecting them.
this is the simpliest logic possible.
 
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