Sukuna Vs Buzz Lightyear

[Mbpoops]

Not Dismantle, but world Cutting Slash is dura-neg space cutting.

Ok but its not instant he has to charge it up based on what kusukabe said he doesnt spam it

 

[LaserPrecision]

Watching it frame by frame it's evident aim blocking, aka, Goofy was in the path of the laser to block it before it was actually fired, so that wouldn't count for that sort of claim. Now if Sukuna can aim dodge that's another matter, however.

U right. But going by the cutscenes it ain't all that fast. That said, Sukuna doesn't need to evade it. WCS would erase it.

 

[Mommyleona]

thats if Buzz is extremely dumb and won't oneshot Sukuna after dismantle. so 50/50% chance

Well that's if buzz goes for a lazer
And if he really wants to kill Sukuna for doing well... nothing, he won't see nor feel the dismantle hitting him lol.

 

[Mommyleona]

Ok but its not instant he has to charge it up based on what kusukabe said he doesnt spam it

Mahoraga is here and he can cast with no charge up.

 

[Mbpoops]

Mahoraga is here and he can cast with no charge up.

Is mahoraga summoned off rip

 

[Robo432343]

i dont think world cutting slash is negging Low 1-C dura man...

 

[Mommyleona]

Is mahoraga summoned off rip

Well... it depends
He could summon it to test the grounds further (or other skikigami) to attack buzz to see what happens

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Ok but its not instant he has to charge it up based on what kusukabe said he doesnt spam it

Heiankuna having 2 hands and other mouth will make it charged faster than a kamehameha (just a random example), it could only take him a 10 seconds a d before release

About the spam part, well, he can sent severals in a roll as we see him Waffling Kashimo

 

[Mbpoops]

I see i see. But like robo said i dont see wcs negating low 1C durabikity

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Thus this versus dont have a meaning and we close it

 

[Mommyleona]

i dont think world cutting slash is negging Low 1-C dura man...

But dura neg man

 

[Bobsican]

Well that's if buzz goes for a lazer

Given the distance by default per SBA it'd be fair to claim that the laser is one of his leading options, in fact it's statistically his leading move as he postures as to fire it most times he prepares for a confrontation in a cutscene, especially as he can also camp by flying around while using it as noted in the novel with Angelic Amber.

 

[Mommyleona]

Given the distance by default per SBA it'd be fair to claim that the laser is one of his leading options, in fact it's statistically his leading move as he postures as to fire it most times he prepares for a confrontation in a cutscene, especially as he can also camp by flying around while using it as noted in the novel with Angelic Amber.

Well he by what i watched just now kinda seems to not really use it even if there's a supposed danger, just point and prepare (not counting when he's taken over), which will give Sukuna more time to gauge his strength. And well, Sukuna is far more willing to kill than Buzz
And about Buzz flying, Sukuna can air jump, can fly on Nue and has enough range to snipe him too.

 

[Bobsican]

That's because he places it as a warning sign to inform others to not do anything reckless, given the scenario granted by SBA there's no real need for Buzz to hold it for long beyond aiming, and not being willing to kill is irrelevant as basically any attack that Buzz lands on Sukuna insta-kills given the stat gap.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Buzz FRA

 

[LaserPrecision]

Buzz FRA

Quit doing this

Anyways, what's Buzz's AoE with his laser. Judging by the clip with the shield it only hits a small point, which won't be an issue for Sukuna to RCT.

 

[Bobsican]

Quit doing this

Anyways, what's Buzz's AoE with his laser. Judging by the clip with the shield it only hits a small point, which won't be an issue for Sukuna to RCT.

The thing is that as covered in the Woody Vs Gojo matchup, stuff that's one-shot in KH blows up into bits, so given the stat gap something similar would happen to Sukuna.

 

[Mickey1940]

When did Sukuna open the battle with WCS or spam it against fodder

every single time he's used it he's backed against the wall and needed an incantation to use it

heck he put a binding vow on himself that forces him to use an incantation after killing Gojo with it

meaning Buzz's first move of just shooting the guy in the head is faster than Sukuna's only option

 

[Mickey1940]

Quit doing this

Anyways, what's Buzz's AoE with his laser. Judging by the clip with the shield it only hits a small point, which won't be an issue for Sukuna to RCT.

even if Buzz's laser has small area (which it doesn't, it's like a bullet hole), Sukuna getting blasted in the brain means certain death. Sukuna can restore minor brain damage in order to heal his burnt out technique, but it's never stated that he can recover from anything more significant from that. Sukuna's losing a LOT more than his right prefrontal cortex if Buzz shoots him in the face, so he would just die on the spot

 

[LaserPrecision]

The thing is that as covered in the Woody Vs Gojo matchup, stuff that's one-shot in KH blows up into bits, so given the stat gap something similar would happen to Sukuna.

Those enemies are a few inches tall at best. They are all small. I'm also watching cutscenes for the game, and this doesn't even seem to be an effect of AoE, and rather the enemies dissipate after dying. Not to mention if it did have AoE it'd have gotten around Goofy's shield. That attack has almost no AoE.

even if Buzz's laser has small area (which it doesn't, it's like a bullet hole), Sukuna getting blasted in the brain means certain death. Sukuna can restore minor brain damage in order to heal his burnt out technique, but it's never stated that he can recover from anything more significant from that. Sukuna's losing a LOT more than his right prefrontal cortex if Buzz shoots him in the face, so he would just die on the spot

I doubt Sukuna's getting hit by it from the starting range when he can just... move in any direction whatsoever.

 

[MannyQ361]

Well there is the explosion from Rocket Ruckus.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Well there is the explosion from Rocket Ruckus.

That's a bit bigger. Tho they are toys so that isn't that big. Plus Sukuna could make it detonate by sending a Dismantle at it (If it would detonate upon contact with Sukuna, it would detonate upon contact with Dismantle before anyone says anything. He doesn't have the AP to break it, but it is contact-sensitive).

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

I'm actually leaning slightly closer to Sukuna here for now. His range advantage is way larger, so if he makes even a bit of distance, it'd be hard for Buzz to catch up, plus I'm 90% sure Sukuna's dura neg should unironically work as funny as that sounds. But tbh, I'd say it's fairly even chances at the start of the match based on if one or the other can land the first hit, but the moment Sukuna gains a bit of range (assuming neither of them land a immediate attack) it becomes far leaning in his favor.
If the duraneg somehow didn't work then p sure Sukuna get's incon at best.

So what's next, Rex vs (insert another JJK character here)? Toy's vs Anime is fun and all but these matches are still kinda ridiculous tbh

 

[Bobsican]

Those enemies are a few inches tall at best. They are all small. I'm also watching cutscenes for the game, and this doesn't even seem to be an effect of AoE, and rather the enemies dissipate after dying. Not to mention if it did have AoE it'd have gotten around Goofy's shield. That attack has almost no AoE.

Woody is 15 inches tall, so that'd be a low-end if anything. The rest is still fair, however.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Woody is 15 inches tall, so that'd be a low-end if anything. The rest is still fair, however.

Few inches was exaggerating ye. I figured Buzz and the others were a lil over a foot. But ye, I agree the other stuff is fine.

 

[Mickey1940]

Those enemies are a few inches tall at best. They are all small. I'm also watching cutscenes for the game, and this doesn't even seem to be an effect of AoE, and rather the enemies dissipate after dying. Not to mention if it did have AoE it'd have gotten around Goofy's shield. That attack has almost no AoE.

Buzz is over 2 feet tall. Still small but he should be able to move and maneuver around almost as well as a person

I doubt Sukuna's getting hit by it from the starting range when he can just... move in any direction whatsoever.

Buzz can just keep shooting till he lands a hit

Sukuna in this key needs the full incantation and 2 of his arms in order to launch WCS, which is the only thing in his arsenal that can actually do damage, and even then it can't kill him in 1 shot due to Buzz's Inorganic/Toy physiology, meaning if Sukuna slices him in half he can still move cuz he's a toy and doesn't have organs or anything, meaning he can still shoot. Meanwhile Buzz can just spam his lasers and Sukuna has literally no choice but to dodge or he's actually dead, and due to the equalized speed he can't keep dodging forever. We've never seen Sukuna deal with Danmaku before, and JJK characters usually allow themselves to take hits occasionally due to Reverse Cursed Technique.

Getting hit by the lasers means Sukuna either dies to a headshot/bodyshot or gets a limb blown off and has to dodge literally everything for the rest of the battle, and if Sukuna tries to get close (which he does rather frequently, he utilizes Shrine in CQC very often), he just gets splattered by anything Buzz does. I can't see him properly dodging while also making the incantation for WCS even with his extra arms and mouth.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Buzz is over 2 feet tall. Still small but he should be able to move and maneuver around almost as well as a person

Bob just said 15 inches. Which is barely more than a foot. And Buzz is shorter than Woody.

Buzz can just keep shooting till he lands a hit

He ain't landing it on someone as nimble as Sukuna. Especially when the projectiles aren't that hard to avoid plus Buzz Lightyear never demonstrated insane crazy accuracy and maneuvers with his laser. In one of the scenes he deadass just stands there and repeatedly shoots at a shield instead of adjusting his aim.

Sukuna in this key needs the full incantation and 2 of his arms in order to launch WCS, which is the only thing in his arsenal that can actually do damage, and even then it can't kill him in 1 shot due to Buzz's Inorganic/Toy physiology, meaning if Sukuna slices him in half he can still move cuz he's a toy and doesn't have organs or anything, meaning he can still shoot.

I already covered this. Buzz is getting completely erased by Dismantle due to its width being greater than Buzz Lightyears entire height, let alone his width:
Buzz is tiny, and WCS width would completely swallow him:

Buzz is tiny, and WCS width would completely swallow him:

He can also cut people up into tiny meat-chunks with WCS if he wants. But a standard WCS will do.

Anyways, what is Buzz's best survival feat? Has he endured being bisected vertically? You go based on feats for inorganic physiology and immortality stuff.

Meanwhile Buzz can just spam his lasers and Sukuna has literally no choice but to dodge or he's actually dead, and due to the equalized speed he can't keep dodging forever. We've never seen Sukuna deal with Danmaku before, and JJK characters usually allow themselves to take hits occasionally due to Reverse Cursed Technique.

Buzz Lightyear doesn't even have Danmaku. He just fires a simple ass easily predictable "laser" (more like an energy orb) at the target that can be reacted to in close range. Let alone from SBA distance (Which would be tens or hundreds of meters). And let alone from someone as acrobatic as Sukuna.

Getting hit by the lasers means Sukuna either dies to a headshot/bodyshot or gets a limb blown off and has to dodge literally everything for the rest of the battle, and if Sukuna tries to get close (which he does rather frequently, he utilizes Shrine in CQC very often), he just gets splattered by anything Buzz does. I can't see him properly dodging while also making the incantation for WCS even with his extra arms and mouth.

The ONLY thing Buzz can do that would kill Sukuna is a head-shot. Every other place would leave such a small amount of damage he'd RCT it no problem. I already refuted the AoE of Buzz's laser stuff above, which Bobsican conceded to.

 

[Bobsican]

Bob just said 15 inches. Which is barely more than a foot. And Buzz is shorter than Woody.

He ain't landing it on someone as nimble as Sukuna. Especially when the projectiles aren't that hard to avoid plus Buzz Lightyear never demonstrated insane crazy accuracy and maneuvers with his laser. In one of the scenes he deadass just stands there and repeatedly shoots at a shield instead of adjusting his aim.

Ahem, speed being equal means that this isn't an argument to begin with, especially as the laser is proportionately faster than Buzz, and thus also Sukuna.

I already covered this. Buzz is getting completely erased by Dismantle due to its width being greater than Buzz Lightyears entire height, let alone his width:
Buzz is tiny, and WCS width would completely swallow him:

Similarly I can also ask if Sukuna even has the accuracy to hit a target of this size on the first try.

Anyways, what is Buzz's best survival feat? Has he endured being bisected vertically? You go based on feats for inorganic physiology and immortality stuff.

Sid's toys showing that they remain conscious even when their head is removed or pierced across, and there's also a incident of a toy's top side remaining animated even after being bisected.

Buzz Lightyear doesn't even have Danmaku. He just fires a simple ass easily predictable "laser" (more like an energy orb) at the target that can be reacted to in close range. Let alone from SBA distance (Which would be tens or hundreds of meters). And let alone from someone as acrobatic as Sukuna.

I do agree on this, however.

The ONLY thing Buzz can do that would kill Sukuna is a head-shot. Every other place would leave such a small amount of damage he'd RCT it no problem. I already refuted the AoE of Buzz's laser stuff above, which Bobsican conceded to.

I only conceded the enemies dissipating bit, not the AoE as it's larger than what you were claiming at first, which you did agree on.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Ahem, speed being equal means that this isn't an argument to begin with, especially as the laser is proportionately faster than Buzz, and thus also Sukuna.

The laser isn't that much faster than Buzz. You could calc the difference in speed based on the cutscenes. It just seems to scale relative or a lil above his combat speed.

And speed equal doesn't mean he's incapable of evading. Distance, and how nimble character's are decide how well they can evade attacks. That's like saying it's impossible to dodge attacks relative you in speed. Which is false. Especially so in fiction where you have skill slop of people evading hellish Danmaku from someone relative to them or being attacked by multiple people at once due to cracked analytical prediction and acrobatics, etc.

Similarly I can also ask if Sukuna even has the accuracy to hit a target of this size on the first try.

The attack is invisible to Buzz. He wouldn't even know to evade it. The slash is massive, he can just fire it horizontally if he's afraid of missing, which means it'll extend tens of meters sideways and several meters thick vertically and just erase Buzz. Making it extremely easy to hit him.

Sid's toys showing that they remain conscious even when their head is removed or pierced across, and there's also a incident of a toy's top side remaining animated even after being bisected.

Fair I suppose. Tho that's really only be an issue for regular Dismantles which do no damage anyways. WCS is just erasing his entire body.

I only conceded the enemies dissipating bit, not the AoE as it's larger than what you were claiming at first, which you did agree on.

It has a lil AoE. Like, 4-5 or so inches at most. I could prolly pixel-scale it. But it's not a foot, or more. Otherwise Buzz's light would've (as I said earlier) affected Goofy and Woody from behind the shield due to not being able to block the entire AoE).

 

[BoastJr]

JJK Vs Toy Story is not something I expected

I think incon is fine but sukuna's range and wcs is hard to counter yeah

 

[LaserPrecision]

JJK Vs Toy Story is not something I expected

I think incon is fine but sukuna's range and wcs is hard to counter yeah

Entitled to your vote, but if you're convinced Sukuna's range and WCS are difficult to counter, why do you go for inconclusive? I ask cuz obviously as someone participating here, I'd want to sway your vote over, but I'm not gonna beat ya with a hammer about it, lel

 

[Mickey1940]

Bob just said 15 inches. Which is barely more than a foot. And Buzz is shorter than Woody.

my bad, I'm dumb, I thought 12 inches was 2 feet because I'm stupid

He ain't landing it on someone as nimble as Sukuna. Especially when the projectiles aren't that hard to avoid plus Buzz Lightyear never demonstrated insane crazy accuracy and maneuvers with his laser. In one of the scenes he deadass just stands there and repeatedly shoots at a shield instead of adjusting his aim.

The problem is that the projectiles are spammable and will tear him a new *sshole if they touch him, so dodging would be an insane risk. Buzz also being considered strong/skilled enough for Sora to consider bringing him to the final battle should also say something about how abilities

I already covered this. Buzz is getting completely erased by Dismantle due to its width being greater than Buzz Lightyears entire height, let alone his width:
Buzz is tiny, and WCS width would completely swallow him:

Sukuna doesn't erase the space he slashes. It's a slash. It hits you and spreads the space outwards. It's not EE

Anyways, what is Buzz's best survival feat? Has he endured being bisected vertically? You go based on feats for inorganic physiology and immortality stuff.

I'm pretty sure he scales to other toys who can survive dismemberment, like Sid's toys

Buzz Lightyear doesn't even have Danmaku. He just fires a simple ass easily predictable "laser" (more like an energy orb) at the target that can be reacted to in close range. Let alone from SBA distance (Which would be tens or hundreds of meters). And let alone from someone as acrobatic as Sukuna.

He's spamming an instakill gun against someone in an equalized speed match when the other guys's gun (slashes) will literally bounce off him. Buzz can go absolutely ham for free and Sukuna has to dodge around them at all times or else he gets 1 shot

The ONLY thing Buzz can do that would kill Sukuna is a head-shot. Every other place would leave such a small amount of damage he'd RCT it no problem. I already refuted the AoE of Buzz's laser stuff above, which Bobsican conceded to.

I'm not sure if Sukuna can heal from a hole in his gut either, as Gojo was unable to heal from being bisected and Yuta couldn't heal from the same damage without outside help from Shoko and Rika, especially since Cursed Energy originates from the gut inherently.

 

[BoastJr]

Entitled to your vote, but if you're convinced Sukuna's range and WCS are difficult to counter, why do you go for inconclusive? I ask cuz obviously as someone participating here, I'd want to sway your vote over, but I'm not gonna beat ya with a hammer about it, lel

Both have instant kill wincons from what I have seen so far

Sukuna is probably the most skilled JJK Character (Or Top 2) + his advantage seems more notable to me (why is why I leaned towards him but not quite sure)

Will check the thread and see how it plays out

 

[Mommyleona]

When did Sukuna open the battle with WCS or spam it against fodder

every single time he's used it he's backed against the wall and needed an incantation to use it

heck he put a binding vow on himself that forces him to use an incantation after killing Gojo with it

Sukuna usually starts with a dismantle at random encounters
Seeing like he did so with Ryu to gauge his strength

and the same to Kusakabe who isn't even a threat

Then i think he will just use WCS after he sees that Buzz is completely unphazed with 0 damage on him, which he spams all the time btw, even against people who are far weaker than himself
Example again being Kusakabe

 

[Mommyleona]

When did Sukuna open the battle with WCS or spam it against fodder

every single time he's used it he's backed against the wall and needed an incantation to use it

"HE ONLY USES IT WHEN BACKED AGAINST THE WALL!!!"
Strong bridge cut:

 

[Mickey1940]

He used regular dismantle every single time he starts the fight

why would Sukuna even use WCS after a regular slash if Domain Expansion Fuga Cleave CQC and literally anything else is far more in character

do you have scans to prove that Sukuna would pull out WCS the literal instant regular Dismantle doesn't work?

 

[Mickey1940]

like we're assuming Sukuna would chant the full incantation while dodging all of Buzz's projectiles at the same time instead of resorting to literally anything else in his regular arsenal

we're also assuming Buzz will just die from it since he's a toy that can survive dismemberment so getting sliced in half isn't a big deal

we're also assuming the world cutting SLASH is AOE EE when it clearly isn't, as shown with Gojo and Yuta still having their corpses be intact (just sliced in half). Heck Yuta on his deathbed still had the 2 halves of his body intact on the medical table

 

[Mommyleona]

Sukuna in this key needs the full incantation and 2 of his arms in order to launch WCS

which is something he does in a second, and as said above he also has Maho who has no conditions

and even then it can't kill him in 1 shot due to Buzz's Inorganic/Toy physiology

as mentioned above it could envelope buzz whole with its size, or most of him

meaning he can still shoot.

that if the laser in his arm doesnt get removed by wcs

Getting hit by the lasers means Sukuna either dies to a headshot/bodyshot or gets a limb blown off and has to dodge literally everything for the rest of the battle,

only thing deadly here would be a headshot, as even a body shot while yes will leave a hole, might not kill Sukuna as he can survive without his heart and likely other organs too, and he can always regen it back in seconds

Sukuna doesn't erase the space he slashes. It's a slash. It hits you and spreads the space outwards. It's not EE

what do you think happens to the surface that gets hit by WCS? where does it go?

He used regular dismantle every single time he starts the fight

why would Sukuna even use WCS after a regular slash if Domain Expansion Fuga Cleave CQC and literally anything else is far more in character

Prove its far more in character
i just showed you Sukuna using it against fodders for ***** and giggles
Against Kusakabe it was literally his 2nd move, it went dismantles -> WCS instantly
he would've spammed it even more if everyone wasnt specifically working on cutting his hands and tongues, or forcing him to maintain other hand signs
Okay, lets say sukuna uses domain and it still does nothing, you think he wont use WCS?
and what about him simply summoning Maho to one shot Buzz? or other shikigamis which are invisible for buzz and can pin him down effortlessly?

do you have scans to prove that Sukuna would pull out WCS the literal instant regular Dismantle doesn't work?

dawg are u kidding? just above i linked my comment with scans of Sukuna doing exactly that

 

[Mommyleona]

like we're assuming Sukuna would chant the full incantation while dodging all of Buzz's projectiles at the same time instead of resorting to literally anything else in his regular arsenal

that's also assuming buzz would insta spam his laser, even though as far as shown it is not something he fires instantly even at potential threats
Also Sukuna lowkey fear aura diffs (i always wanted to say that)

we're also assuming Buzz will just die from it since he's a toy that can survive dismemberment so getting sliced in half isn't a big deal

if he gets cut gojo style, im pretty sure he cannot use severed limbs, correct me if im wrong
and that's if not more of him gets hit

we're also assuming the world cutting SLASH is AOE EE when it clearly isn't, as shown with Gojo and Yuta still having their corpses be intact (just sliced in half). Heck Yuta on his deathbed still had the 2 halves of his body intact on the medical table

i mean they're bigger than buzz, and it depends on the size of the slash as WCS can be bigger or smaller

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Unwatched me from the thread

dismantle dont work -> wcs

The whole point is to establish the opposite

Dismantle dont work -> hands THEN WCS

or domain + fuga

if we use maho as the best example then again hand to hand has long since happened

or he can also hold him in place with Shikigami, then do the above

which he dosen't lead with

Sukuna is NOT dumb okay

Not saying he is but I am saying its more in character for him to use hand to hand combat if his ranged attacks don't work than for him to just go into WCS immediately