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Mysteries and Marvels: Klein Moretti vs Scarlet Witch

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Unless I missed something then that description right there is js PP1:
How?
General: Beings which exist beyond the confines of classical logic in general, in a fashion that they may occupy both the value "true and false" or "neither true nor false" regarding any of their properties. This includes characters existing in a nondual state regarding all logical dual systems within an entire level of reality in a way that makes them occupy both or neither state of the dualities in question.
Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 2) & Nonexistent Physiology (Nature 2; All Aspects; Magic is the in-between, the fraying edge between reality and unreality.[45] One of the many mystical dimensions in the mystical universe, all of which are governed by magical energies, is the Astral Plane,[24] which is accepted as a Nonexistent (Nature 2) realm due to it being stated as "the realm of mind and spirit that exists between being and non-being".[117] The realm of Lord Chaos and Master Order, who are the respective abstract embodiments of Chaos and Order in the universe and whose realm is stated to both lie between the polarities of actuality, being a universe of dualities where all dichotomies blend together and cease to exist[38] and is a realm where fact and fiction meld into one,[96] is repeatedly[39] stated[37] to be[39] a realm made[33][34][35] of magic.

Magic exists as the is/is not of entire realities/unrealities.
This is type 2.

"the realm of mind and spirit that exists between being and non-being"
which is accepted as a Nonexistent (Nature 2) realm due to it being stated as
 
How?



Magic exists as the is/is not of entire realities/unrealities.
This is type 2.
Stuff like Chaos and Order explicitly do not qualify for PP (it has to be Chaos and non-Chaos and Order and non-Order), and as I’ve seen in many verses, Being and Non-Being are just one duality, so it’d also be PP1.

Also you only need PP1 for NEP2 (being and non-being), not PP2.
 
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Stuff like Chaos and Order explicitly do not qualify for PP (it has to be Chaos and non-Chaos and Order and non-Order), and as I’ve seen in many verses, Being and Non-Being are just one duality, so it’d also be PP1.

Also you only need PP1 for NEP2 (being and non-being), not PP2.
Magic in Marvel has Plot manipulation also, I don't think Klein can resist it, right ?
 
Stuff like Chaos and Order explicitly do not qualify for PP (it has to be Chaos and non-Chaos and Order and non-Order), and as I’ve seen in many verses, Being and Non-Being are just one duality, so it’d also be PP1.

Also you only need PP1 for NEP2 (being and non-being), not PP2.
Dude what? Chaos and Order isn't even the evidence. Their realm is... a mesh of all dichotomies and duality, their very creation the in betweener, embodies all that is and is not.
Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 3; Transcends the In-Betweener, an inner function of himself that personifies the barrier and division between dichotomies,[19][20] being "a concept of concepts"[21] and "walking the path between all worlds, all concepts,"[22] simultaneously the union of all polarities and something that stands exempt from them)

Depends if I can wank it for Adam, but it’s currently not accepted so atm he has no resistance to it
If you gotta wank it, they don't have it.
 
Dude what? Chaos and Order isn't even the evidence. Their realm is... a mesh of all dichotomies and duality, their very creation the in betweener, embodies all that is and is not.
Yea. Dichotomies and duality are not valid proof for PP without being elaborated what dichotomy means.

Like this one is literally not gonna get PP2 even if it is explicitly the amalgamation of all contradictions because “contradiction” here isn’t necessarily P and not-P. So yea, you need more proof.
 
Yea. Dichotomies and duality are not valid proof for PP without being elaborated what dichotomy means.

Like this one is literally not gonna get PP2 even if it is explicitly the amalgamation of all contradictions because “contradiction” here isn’t necessarily P and not-P. So yea, you need more proof.
You need to read and analyze everything before responding...

"the In-Betweener, an inner function of himself that personifies the barrier and division between dichotomies,[19][20] being "a concept of concepts"[21] and "walking the path between all worlds, all concepts,"[22] simultaneously the union of all polarities and something that stands exempt from them)"

"Magic is the in-between, the fraying edge between reality and unreality."

"realm due to it being stated as "the realm of mind and spirit that exists between being and non-being"

"whose realm is stated to both lie between the polarities of actuality, being a universe of dualities where all dichotomies blend together and cease to exist[38] and is a realm where fact and fiction meld into one,"


These are 1 to 1 PP2; they follow the definition..

General: Beings which exist beyond the confines of classical logic in general, in a fashion that they may occupy both the value "true and false" or "neither true nor false" regarding any of their properties. This includes characters existing in a nondual state regarding all logical dual systems within an entire level of reality in a way that makes them occupy both or neither state of the dualities in question.
 
You need to read and analyze everything before responding...




These are 1 to 1 PP2; they follow the definition..
I literally do not see anything there that is P and not-P aside from Being and non-Being. Like I’m really not sure you get how strict these standards are.

Like “fact and fiction” is not a valid duality for example. It has to be sum like “fact and non-fact”.
 
I literally do not see anything there that is P and not-P aside from Being and non-Being. Like I’m really not sure you get how strict these standards are.
Definition of NEP 2:

Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence.

If magic makes up a realm where dualities cease to exist, that realm is neither 1 nor 0.
 
Definition of NEP 2:

Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence.

If magic makes up a realm where dualities cease to exist, that realm is neither 1 nor 0.
NEP2 standards are way less stricter (you only need PP1, which Magic seems to have), and it’s not even related to my point.

What are Klein's wincons?
None as of now
 
Like this one is literally not gonna get PP2 even if it is explicitly the amalgamation of all contradictions because “contradiction” here isn’t necessarily P and not-P. So yea, you need more proof.
Not even comparable lol.
Marvel is talking about entire ontologies everything that exists in marvel
Ts is talking about existence/non-existence.

I literally do not see anything there that is P and not-P aside from Being and non-Being. Like I’m really not sure you get how strict these standards are.
All Dictonomies/dualities/concepts can't exist/not exist its PP2 because it is ALL dictonomies/dualities/concepts in marvel.
your example is just 1 thing not everything.

NEP2 standards are way less stricter (you only need PP1, which Magic seems to have), and it’s not even related to my point.
Make CRT I wanna see how it goes.

What are Klein's wincons?
Wanda might be layer stomping and hax stomping.
 
All Dictonomies/dualities/concepts can't exist/not exist its PP2 because it is ALL dictonomies/dualities/concepts in marvel.
your example is just 1 thing not everything.
My example is talking about all contradictions in the universe. Read the scans in there. But they still don’t qualify because they’re not explicitly P and not-P.

Make CRT I wanna see how it goes.
About what?
 
Not even comparable lol.
Marvel is talking about entire ontologies everything that exists in marvel
Ts is talking about existence/non-existence.


All Dictonomies/dualities/concepts can't exist/not exist its PP2 because it is ALL dictonomies/dualities/concepts in marvel.
your example is just 1 thing not everything.


Make CRT I wanna see how it goes.


Wanda might be layer stomping and hax stomping.
Drop it my dude
 
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