Mysteries and Marvels: Klein Moretti vs Scarlet Witch

[Eseseso]

Finally a good 1-A smurf fight for Marvel!

Klein Moretti vs Scarlet Witch

Scholar of Yore Klein (8-A end) and base Wanda are being used. Nothing above 5-B is allowed.

SBA

Soundtrack:

The Witch:

The Fool:

Incon:

 

[SuperNova55555]

I’ll come back to this after a bit, but in the meantime can someone confirm if Wanda is baseline 1-A? If she’s higher then it’s a stomp

 

[Eseseso]

I’ll come back to this after a bit, but in the meantime can someone confirm if Wanda is baseline 1-A? If she’s higher then it’s a stomp

She's only above Baseline 1-A in terms of AP with one ability, I can restrict that.

 

[Devourer1]

So basically Klein is having 3 layers in 1-a powernull. What Wanda will do with this?

 

[SuperNova55555]

Yea, can she pass the Godhood check?

 

[Eseseso]

So basically Klein is having 3 layers in 1-a powernull. What Wanda will do with this?

Yea, can she pass the Godhood check?

Is it passive? If so, is there a Klein key with only baseline powernull? I can reduce SW to her 8-C or 5-B self to compensate

 

[Devourer1]

Is it passive? If so, is there a Klein key with only baseline powernull? I can reduce SW to her 8-C or 5-B self to compensate

Powernull yes. Basically it’s seq 4-3 Klein (Bizarro Sorcerer | Scholar of Yore)

 

[Devourer1]

What can she do against this?

• Incomplete Mythical Creature Form (1-A):
  • Madness Manipulation (Type 3), Information Manipulation (Type 2), Corruption, Mind Manipulation and Soul Manipulation (While transformed into his Mythical Creature Form, he will passively induce such effects on those seeing, hearing and perceiving him. This ability even ignores spatial dimensions. Though as he is only Sequence 4, he only has an incomplete version, which causes him to slowly turn mad while using this form)
  • Resistance to Madness Manipulation (Type 3), Corruption, Mind Manipulation, Information Manipulation (Type 2) and Soul Manipulation (As a Demigod he is more resistant to such effects and in Mythical Creature Form this is enhanced further)

 

[Eseseso]

What can she do against this?

• Incomplete Mythical Creature Form (1-A):
  • Madness Manipulation (Type 3), Information Manipulation (Type 2), Corruption, Mind Manipulation and Soul Manipulation (While transformed into his Mythical Creature Form, he will passively induce such effects on those seeing, hearing and perceiving him. This ability even ignores spatial dimensions. Though as he is only Sequence 4, he only has an incomplete version, which causes him to slowly turn mad while using this form)
  • Resistance to Madness Manipulation (Type 3), Corruption, Mind Manipulation, Information Manipulation (Type 2) and Soul Manipulation (As a Demigod he is more resistant to such effects and in Mythical Creature Form this is enhanced further)

Resists all of these, and her concept/info/soul hax has one layer

 

[SuperNova55555]

Oh nvm yall changed the key

Can I know what we are using then?

He has baseline at Bizarro Sorcerer-Scholar of Yore; 1 layer at Miracle Invoker-Attendant of Mysteries; 2 layers at The Fool

 

[Eseseso]

Oh nvm yall changed the key

Can I know what we are using then?

He has baseline at Bizarro Sorcerer-Scholar of Yore; 1 layer at Miracle Invoker-Attendant of Mysteries; 2 layers at The Fool

Changed it to Scholar of Yore.

All High-Tier Sorcerers in Marvel resist Baseline Power Null, so SW will resist his passive baseline power null

 

[SuperNova55555]

Changed it to Scholar of Yore.

All High-Tier Sorcerers in Marvel resist Baseline Power Null, so SW will resist his passive baseline power null

Lwk I don’t see anything in her profile that inherently stops Klein from pulling out a copy of Wanda from the past.

She could prob disrupt it with stuff like Probability Manipulation, but it seems her range is only Outer for Dimensional Travel, so can’t Klein just abuse his Spirit Worms inside of Sefirah Castle to do the trick?

 

[Eseseso]

Lwk I don’t see anything in her profile that inherently stops Klein from pulling out a copy of Wanda from the past.

She could prob disrupt it with stuff like Probability Manipulation, but it seems her range is only Outer for Dimensional Travel, so can’t Klein just abuse his Spirit Worms inside of Sefirah Castle to do the trick?

He could summon a past version of her, but she's fought people with her own powers before, such as Hope Summers who literally copied her powers. And she can create duplicates of her own and has summoning.

Edit: I just checked her profile again, turns out she can also summon versions of herself from both the past and the future.

 

[Eseseso]

Lwk I don’t see anything in her profile that inherently stops Klein from pulling out a copy of Wanda from the past.

She could prob disrupt it with stuff like Probability Manipulation, but it seems her range is only Outer for Dimensional Travel, so can’t Klein just abuse his Spirit Worms inside of Sefirah Castle to do the trick?

What does Klein go for first thing in-character.

 

[SuperNova55555]

What does Klein go for first thing in-character.

He’ll prolly run since he’s unprepared

 

[rogueprestonian]

What does Klein go for first thing in-character.

He runs or hides, but if he is trapped with no escape he goes guns blazing as a distraction to buy him time to hide and prepare. Essentially he forces prep time at all costs.

 

[SuperNova55555]

I forgot Klein can just pull out an Angel. What does Wanda do to MCF?

 

[Devourer1]

I forgot Klein can just pull out an Angel. What does Wanda do to MCF?

She has resistances, he answered to my question about mcf

 

[SuperNova55555]

She has resistances, he answered to my question about mcf

Think about my statement a bit more. What’s the difference between Scholar of Yore and an Angel?

 

[Devourer1]

Think about my statement a bit more. What’s the difference between Scholar of Yore and an Angel?

Layer? So basically angel will powernull Wanda?

 

[Robo432343]

marvel atoms are boundless gg

 

[SuperNova55555]

Layer? So basically angel will powernull Wanda?

Yea.

marvel atoms are boundless gg

Depending on how you interpret some text, you can unironically wank LOTM atoms to 1-A

 

[Muteki616]

I’ll come back to this after a bit, but in the meantime can someone confirm if Wanda is baseline 1-A? If she’s higher then it’s a stomp

She's only above Baseline 1-A in terms of AP with one ability, I can restrict that.

All of Wanda's Outer feats and her smurf magic should upscale from the 30x cosmic cube chain...
way past baseline.

What can she do against this?

• Incomplete Mythical Creature Form (1-A):
  • Madness Manipulation (Type 3), Information Manipulation (Type 2), Corruption, Mind Manipulation and Soul Manipulation (While transformed into his Mythical Creature Form, he will passively induce such effects on those seeing, hearing and perceiving him. This ability even ignores spatial dimensions. Though as he is only Sequence 4, he only has an incomplete version, which causes him to slowly turn mad while using this form)
  • Resistance to Madness Manipulation (Type 3), Corruption, Mind Manipulation, Information Manipulation (Type 2) and Soul Manipulation (As a Demigod he is more resistant to such effects and in Mythical Creature Form this is enhanced further)

Effortlessly resists.

 

[Voidnether]

Voting for Scarlet Witch if this is even deemed a matchup, Klein's Power Nullification doesn't work to Chaos Magic that has Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 2) and Wanda's probability manipulation kills Klein on the spot, GG, it was that cooked from the start

 

[SuperNova55555]

Voting for Scarlet Witch if this is even deemed a matchup, Klein's Power Nullification doesn't work to Chaos Magic that has Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 2) and Wanda's probability manipulation kills Klein on the spot, GG, it was that cooked from the start

Reading Wanda’s justifications, it seems that her PP doesn’t even qualify since it uses stuff like “Good and Evil”.

Ts might be another wanked character ngl. I’m personally not touching Marvel with a ten-foot pole thooo

 

[Robo432343]

no klein is more wanked

 

[SuperNova55555]

no klein is more wanked

Classic Robo larp

 

[Voidnether]

Reading Wanda’s justifications, it seems that her PP doesn’t even qualify since it uses stuff like “Good and Evil”.

Ts might be another wanked character ngl. I’m personally not touching Marvel with a ten-foot pole thooo

Yeah but this is Marvel, not a gacha game that you can easily "debunk" because it's "wanked", like Captain America's shield defied the 1-A standards but it's still there anyway, Hulk has 1-A through Rage Power, Ironman has 1-A through his armor lol even if all these are quantitative in nature

 

[SuperNova55555]

Yeah but this is Marvel, not a gacha game that you can easily "debunk" because it's "wanked", like Captain America's shield defied the 1-A standards but it's still there anyway, Hulk has 1-A through Rage Power, Ironman has 1-A through his armor lol even if all these are quantitative in nature

Iirc theres a page specifically about excusing shit like this. Like you can chainscale to High 1-A bullets and it says “don’t do that” when in any other series they’d be skinned alive for this anti-feat.

 

[Voidnether]

Iirc theres a page specifically about excusing shit like this. Like you can chainscale to High 1-A bullets and it says “don’t do that” when in any other series they’d be skinned alive for this anti-feat.

LOTM skinned alive in the big year of 2026 as a celebration for having 1-A atoms

 

[Robo432343]

LOTM cosmology blog tries to overwhelm the readers with hundreds of scans for one justification smh

 

[SuperNova55555]

LOTM skinned alive in the big year of 2026 as a celebration for having 1-A atoms

LOTM cosmology blog tries to overwhelm the readers with hundreds of scans for one justification smh

Okkk but its different cuz:
1) its LOTM
2) the atoms aren’t actually 1-A, js OCs mind that may or may not be within them

 

[Eseseso]

Reading Wanda’s justifications, it seems that her PP doesn’t even qualify since it uses stuff like “Good and Evil”.

Even normal magic energy is an NEP2 energy with PP, Chaos Magic is just the same on a higher level.

Ts might be another wanked character ngl. I’m personally not touching Marvel with a ten-foot pole thooo

Wanda's Chaos Magic (whenever the writers aren't nerfing it) is more or less "NLF as a power", her probability hax is bonkers lol

 

[SuperNova55555]

Even normal magic energy is an NEP2 energy with PP, Chaos Magic is just the same on a higher level.

NEP2 and PP2 surprisingly have different standards as of right now. The latter is much more strict

 

[Eseseso]

NEP2 and PP2 surprisingly have different standards as of right now. The latter is much more strict

Regardless, magic as a whole is an energy with Type 2 PP along with its NEP.

Can Klein's hax interact with both of those?

 

[SuperNova55555]

Regardless, magic as a whole is an energy with Type 2 PP along with its NEP.

Can Klein's hax interact with both of those?

The latter yes, the former no. Tho this upscales off of other characters feats so I’ma have to do a CRT to clarify this now that I think about it.

Wanda's Chaos Magic (whenever the writers aren't nerfing it) is more or less "NLF as a power", her probability hax is bonkers lol

I was saying the PP2 she has is wank specifically

 

[Eseseso]

I was saying the PP2 she has is wank specifically

Agree to disagree (I mean idc too much but still)

 

[SuperNova55555]

Agree to disagree (I mean idc too much but still)

I mean this is a mismatch no matter how you cut it. Should be closed honestly

 

[Eseseso]

I mean this is a mismatch no matter how you cut it. Should be closed honestly

Is it really that unfair?

 

[Muteki616]

Reading Wanda’s justifications, it seems that her PP doesn’t even qualify since it uses stuff like “Good and Evil”.

Ts might be another wanked character ngl. I’m personally not touching Marvel with a ten-foot pole thooo

Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 2) & Nonexistent Physiology (Nature 2; All Aspects; Magic is the in-between, the fraying edge between reality and unreality.[45] One of the many mystical dimensions in the mystical universe, all of which are governed by magical energies, is the Astral Plane,[24] which is accepted as a Nonexistent (Nature 2) realm due to it being stated as "the realm of mind and spirit that exists between being and non-being".[117] The realm of Lord Chaos and Master Order, who are the respective abstract embodiments of Chaos and Order in the universe and whose realm is stated to both lie between the polarities of actuality, being a universe of dualities where all dichotomies blend together and cease to exist[38] and is a realm where fact and fiction meld into one,[96] is repeatedly[39] stated[37] to be[39] a realm made[33][34][35] of magic.

Magic Page...
Wank isn't wanked either, btw, she actually scales to the upper parts of the cosmology.

Yeah but this is Marvel, not a gacha game that you can easily "debunk" because it's "wanked", like Captain America's shield defied the 1-A standards but it's still there anyway, Hulk has 1-A through Rage Power, Ironman has 1-A through his armor lol even if all these are quantitative in nature

Iirc theres a page specifically about excusing shit like this. Like you can chainscale to High 1-A bullets and it says “don’t do that” when in any other series they’d be skinned alive for this anti-feat.

Marvel follows no logic but its own.

Is it really that unfair?

I think so
Wanda's smurf outscales baseline.