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Kratos vs Kevin Kaslana | God of War vs Hoyoverse | (1-1-11)

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Valhalla Kratos vs Strongest Kevin Face Off. SBA. Speed Equal.

Kratos vs Kevin Kaslana

Kratos Votes 1: (Gilver)
Kevin Votes: 1: (Void)
Incon 11: (Alipheese, Planck, Zane, Enryu, Shiroiyo, Da3ggman, Naito, Pepsi, Shar, Arkenis, JackTD068)
 
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Another Kevin matchup against someone with horrible heat resistance I'd wait until some of the Honkai CRT's are done, as they will massively change the stats, namely speed ratings. Also you didn't clarify which key of Kevin as well as whether he would or would not have access to finality, regardless though...this is a pretty easy vote for Kevin since Kratos gets instantly incinerated by Shamash and dies just by standing near him ☠️
 
Baby Kratos wields primordial flames that birthed all fires in existence. He ain't getting incinerated lol.
That doesn't mean anything, the fire resistance has literally no values. To argue he wouldn't be incinerated is NLF, unless there's a justification or smth that I'm unaware of (tbf I just gave a glance at resistances) also I see now that the Kevin is diabolical key (wanted to be sure the image wasn't just there cuz it looked cool or smth lol)
 
That doesn't mean anything, the fire resistance has literally no values. To argue he wouldn't be incinerated is NLF, unless there's a justification or smth that I'm unaware of (tbf I just gave a glance at resistances) also I see now that the Kevin is diabolical key (wanted to be sure the image wasn't just there cuz it looked cool or smth lol)
Think of hottest source of heat in cosmos. That was made by Primordial flames. Helios uses it, and he is Sun God. Surtr created all stars in Norse Pantheon and he also uses Primordial flames.
 
Think of hottest source of heat in cosmos. That was made by Primordial flames. Helios uses it, and he is Sun God. Surtr created all stars in Norse Pantheon and he also uses Primordial flames.
Considering there are still literally zero heat values on the profile, I'm still gonna have to disagree there, but giving you the benefit of the doubt there is still the elephant in the room that is...Kratos has literally no feasible way to permanently kill Kevin, and Kevin can BFR him to the SoQ (which Kratos has no way to return from since it's extradimensional and outside his range)
 
Think of hottest source of heat in cosmos. That was made by Primordial flames. Helios uses it, and he is Sun God. Surtr created all stars in Norse Pantheon and he also uses Primordial flames.
if we use stars as a heat value it goes from several thousand degrees up to 15 million as the core of stars, but kevin one is straight up one billion lol
 

Blades of Chaos flames burn in realm where flames aren't allowed to burn.
 
Considering there are still literally zero heat values on the profile, I'm still gonna have to disagree there, but giving you the benefit of the doubt there is still the elephant in the room that is...Kratos has literally no feasible way to permanently kill Kevin, and Kevin can BFR him to the SoQ (which Kratos has no way to return from since it's extradimensional and outside his range)
How does he do that? Thought based?
 
Power of Hope Kratos has invulnerability on a conceptual level, so a lot of this temperature and black hole talk is meaningless fluff. Let's just get to the concept hax layer comparison.

That said, saying that Kratos being able to tank the source of all heat itself is inferior cause of a lack of values is definitely something.

Edit: Just saw that it's no longer the strongest key, but Valhalla instead. He has Type 4 Immortality lol. Even assuming he wouldn't adapt to heat when he could adapt to Tier 1 hax as a 4-A, it's not going to matter much. Ignore my first paragraph.
 
He doesn't need to die for evolving, he can do it on the fly. Done it multiple times. And at Tier2 and above black holes lose their speciality they would have against 3D tiers. It would just have standard AP scaling, and hax is already resisted.
 
Power of Hope Kratos has invulnerability on a conceptual level, so a lot of this temperature and black hole talk is meaningless fluff. Let's just get to the concept hax layer comparison.
Norse Kratos doesn't even have hope to the same degree as GOW3, I was just abt to suggest changing the key to hope for this
That said, saying that Kratos being able to tank the source of all heat itself is inferior cause of a lack of values is definitely omething.
Dawg if you're going to argue Kratos can survive x level of heat with no mention of it on his profile, then just...add the heat values? This isn't rocket science, it's genuinely so jarring when VSB matches spiral into an endless debate of "my character can do or resist x just because I said so even though it's not on the profile" change it. It's that simple, also this doesn't change the fact Kratos has no way to kill Kevin nor come back from the SoQ, do you have anything to add on that note?
 
Power of Hope Kratos has invulnerability on a conceptual level, so a lot of this temperature and black hole talk is meaningless fluff. Let's just get to the concept hax layer comparison.
Honkai Energy is also conceptual in nature if im not wrong so kevin haxxes that come by using honkai would be able to affect kratoes
That said, saying that Kratos being able to tank the source of all heat itself is inferior cause of a lack of values is definitely something.
what measure would source of all heat even be bro
 
Honkai Energy is also conceptual in nature if im not wrong so kevin haxxes that come by using honkai would be able to affect kratoes

what measure would source of all heat even be bro

Norse Kratos doesn't even have hope to the same degree as GOW3, I was just abt to suggest changing the key to hope for this

Dawg if you're going to argue Kratos can survive x level of heat with no mention of it on his profile, then just...add the heat values? This isn't rocket science, it's genuinely so jarring when VSB matches spiral into an endless debate of "my character can do or resist x just because I said so even though it's not on the profile" change it. It's that simple, also this doesn't change the fact Kratos has no way to kill Kevin nor come back from the SoQ, do you have anything to add on that note?
For the Hope stuff, made an addendum on my post since it's no longer the strongest key.

As for the rest, he has innate Type 1 concept hax with all his abilities and resistances, so killing him would just come down to concept hax layers, which we should get to talking about.

I would assume that the flames that brought all heat to multiple universes would be self-evident but very well, I'll add planck-temp or whatever when I have time. The resurrection he has still stands.

Space-time Manipulation is fine. He resists the Power of the Fates, which can move others to and from across Low 1-C timelines, so BFR isn't a problem.
 
This is just anal, this amount of spoon feeding should not be a requirement. I already gave scaling. I can potentially take this to hottest temperature in universe. Since the flame created and sustained heat across creation.
Doesn't matter, it's a simple concept of just proving it and adding it to the page. The fact it ISN'T on the page, means we CANNOT use it in this matchup just because you say so doesn't mean anything. It's not even like I'm arguing against it, it just isn't on the page man lmao
 
For the Hope stuff, made an addendum on my post since it's no longer the strongest key.

As for the rest, he has innate Type 1 concept hax with all his abilities and resistances, so killing him would just come down to concept hax layers, which we should get to talking about.
Since this is Kevin in his strongest form (accoridng to OP) he would have 6 layers of HE including the concept hax from this blog
 
For the Hope stuff, made an addendum on my post since it's no longer the strongest key.
Alright, so Valhalla is his strongest key. Good to know.
As for the rest, he has innate Type 1 concept hax with all his abilities and resistances, so killing him would just come down to concept hax layers, which we should get to talking about.

I would assume that the flames that brought all heat to multiple universes would be self-evident but very well, I'll add planck-temp or whatever when I have time. The resurrection he has still stands.

Space-time Manipulation is fine. He resists the Power of the Fates, which can move others to and from across Low 1-C timelines, so BFR isn't a problem.
I am aware of his type 1, yeah layers are what it'll come down to. However there is still the fact that he doesn't have IM2 or the extradimensional range needed to escape the SoQ, if I'm not mistaken extradimensional range is not just smth we can wave aside (even if it comes from non significant stuff) correct me if I'm wrong
 
I am aware of his type 1, yeah layers are what it'll come down to. However there is still the fact that he doesn't have IM2 or the extradimensional range needed to escape the SoQ, if I'm not mistaken extradimensional range is not just smth we can wave aside (even if it comes from non significant stuff) correct me if I'm wrong
He resists getting BFR'd in the first place.
 
Doesn't matter, it's a simple concept of just proving it and adding it to the page. The fact it ISN'T on the page, means we CANNOT use it in this matchup just because you say so doesn't mean anything. It's not even like I'm arguing against it, it just isn't on the page man lmao
I already posted the pages? This is a nothing burger. Nothing I stated isn't already on pages.
 
@AlipheeseXIV Umm, yes we can use it on the matchup, you saying otherwise just because there isn't a solid number isn't an argument when the whole point is it's stronger than the primordial fire that birth all heat in the cosmos. Unless you have an argument that shows the strongest heat source in the universe isn't close to whatever Kevin has, this would cancel out, plus Kratos' RE would just adapt against such heat as he's dealt with far worse things.
 
Alright, so Valhalla is his strongest key. Good to know.
I worded this poorly. I meant that the thread is no longer using the strongest key lol.
I am aware of his type 1, yeah layers are what it'll come down to. However there is still the fact that he doesn't have IM2 or the extradimensional range needed to escape the SoQ, if I'm not mistaken extradimensional range is not just smth we can wave aside (even if it comes from non significant stuff) correct me if I'm wrong
Extradimensional range is just a catch all term for ranges outside conventional space-time that's not easily covered by a set tier. It's not inherently beyond other ranges. Hell, it's listed before Low Complex Multiversal on the page.

The Fates have Low Complex Multiversal range with the Power of the Fates and resists this same power that allowed him to transport himself and several other Titans between hypertimelines without their consent.
 
@AlipheeseXIV Umm, yes we can use it on the matchup, you saying otherwise just because there isn't a solid number isn't an argument when the whole point is it's stronger than the primordial fire that birth all heat in the cosmos. Unless you have an argument that shows the strongest heat source in the universe isn't close to whatever Kevin has, this would cancel out, plus Kratos' RE would just adapt against such heat as he's dealt with far worse things.
Why isn't it on his profile then? The entire point of a vs match is to compare what's listed on the pages, every other series has to follow this rule, yet you guys get to be the exception because there are 2 staffs as supporters?
 
Extradimensional range is just a catch all term for ranges outside conventional space-time that's not easily covered by a set tier. It's not inherently beyond other ranges. Hell, it's listed before Low Complex Multiversal on the page.
I believe it was mentioned in the downgrade thread for the verse that the extradimensional range for HI3/HSR in specific would function towards the L1C though, in tandem. If it doesn't cover more even in this particular case, then that's fine. At least it means BFR here won't be enough, what are Kratos's layers though?
 
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