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That doesn't mean anything, the fire resistance has literally no values. To argue he wouldn't be incinerated is NLF, unless there's a justification or smth that I'm unaware of (tbf I just gave a glance at resistances) also I see now that the Kevin is diabolical key (wanted to be sure the image wasn't just there cuz it looked cool or smth lol)Baby Kratos wields primordial flames that birthed all fires in existence. He ain't getting incinerated lol.
Think of hottest source of heat in cosmos. That was made by Primordial flames. Helios uses it, and he is Sun God. Surtr created all stars in Norse Pantheon and he also uses Primordial flames.That doesn't mean anything, the fire resistance has literally no values. To argue he wouldn't be incinerated is NLF, unless there's a justification or smth that I'm unaware of (tbf I just gave a glance at resistances) also I see now that the Kevin is diabolical key (wanted to be sure the image wasn't just there cuz it looked cool or smth lol)
Considering there are still literally zero heat values on the profile, I'm still gonna have to disagree there, but giving you the benefit of the doubt there is still the elephant in the room that is...Kratos has literally no feasible way to permanently kill Kevin, and Kevin can BFR him to the SoQ (which Kratos has no way to return from since it's extradimensional and outside his range)Think of hottest source of heat in cosmos. That was made by Primordial flames. Helios uses it, and he is Sun God. Surtr created all stars in Norse Pantheon and he also uses Primordial flames.
Typical SoQ BFR quite literally GG's here as wellisnt just black hole enough here, i mean since ur using strongest kevin form he can quite literally make black holes mid fight and resistances kratos has to space time manip are just...casual dura neg shit he resisted
if we use stars as a heat value it goes from several thousand degrees up to 15 million as the core of stars, but kevin one is straight up one billion lolThink of hottest source of heat in cosmos. That was made by Primordial flames. Helios uses it, and he is Sun God. Surtr created all stars in Norse Pantheon and he also uses Primordial flames.
How does he do that? Thought based?Considering there are still literally zero heat values on the profile, I'm still gonna have to disagree there, but giving you the benefit of the doubt there is still the elephant in the room that is...Kratos has literally no feasible way to permanently kill Kevin, and Kevin can BFR him to the SoQ (which Kratos has no way to return from since it's extradimensional and outside his range)
Honestly he can just RE his resistance up.if we use stars as a heat value it goes from several thousand degrees up to 15 million as the core of stars, but kevin one is straight up one billion lol
Sorta yeah, since high enough concentrations of HE warps space-time and targets to the SoQ by default. This means that Kevin at this level would be capable of doing so by just outputting that level of HEHow does he do that? Thought based?
He has to survive it first, i dont know much abt his immortality given he died against thor onceHonestly he can just RE his resistance up.
In order to argue he could do that, he'd need to survive to begin with. Which, in this case he literally can't do since he lacks the regen/immortality for itHonestly he can just RE his resistance up.
Norse Kratos doesn't even have hope to the same degree as GOW3, I was just abt to suggest changing the key to hope for thisPower of Hope Kratos has invulnerability on a conceptual level, so a lot of this temperature and black hole talk is meaningless fluff. Let's just get to the concept hax layer comparison.
Dawg if you're going to argue Kratos can survive x level of heat with no mention of it on his profile, then just...add the heat values? This isn't rocket science, it's genuinely so jarring when VSB matches spiral into an endless debate of "my character can do or resist x just because I said so even though it's not on the profile" change it. It's that simple, also this doesn't change the fact Kratos has no way to kill Kevin nor come back from the SoQ, do you have anything to add on that note?That said, saying that Kratos being able to tank the source of all heat itself is inferior cause of a lack of values is definitely omething.
Honkai Energy is also conceptual in nature if im not wrong so kevin haxxes that come by using honkai would be able to affect kratoesPower of Hope Kratos has invulnerability on a conceptual level, so a lot of this temperature and black hole talk is meaningless fluff. Let's just get to the concept hax layer comparison.
what measure would source of all heat even be broThat said, saying that Kratos being able to tank the source of all heat itself is inferior cause of a lack of values is definitely something.
They don't know, it's exactly why it's not on the damn profile. Mfs always do this in matchups I swearwhat measure would source of all heat even be bro
Kratos no-selled Fear Zeus who is AE1 CM1 Fear.Honkai Energy is also conceptual in nature if im not wrong so kevin haxxes that come by using honkai would be able to affect kratoes
This is just anal, this amount of spoon feeding should not be a requirement. I already gave scaling. I can potentially take this to hottest temperature in universe. Since the flame created and sustained heat across creation.They don't know, it's exactly why it's not on the damn profile. Mfs always do this in matchups I swear![]()
Yeah, Kevin also has CM1 and can interact with the AE1 aspects. Meanwhile, Kratos cannot interact with the type 2 info, so he's still falling very short in this fightKratos no-selled Fear Zeus who is AE1 CM1 Fear.
Honkai Energy is also conceptual in nature if im not wrong so kevin haxxes that come by using honkai would be able to affect kratoes
what measure would source of all heat even be bro
For the Hope stuff, made an addendum on my post since it's no longer the strongest key.Norse Kratos doesn't even have hope to the same degree as GOW3, I was just abt to suggest changing the key to hope for this
Dawg if you're going to argue Kratos can survive x level of heat with no mention of it on his profile, then just...add the heat values? This isn't rocket science, it's genuinely so jarring when VSB matches spiral into an endless debate of "my character can do or resist x just because I said so even though it's not on the profile" change it. It's that simple, also this doesn't change the fact Kratos has no way to kill Kevin nor come back from the SoQ, do you have anything to add on that note?
So big bang level temperature?This is just anal, this amount of spoon feeding should not be a requirement. I already gave scaling. I can potentially take this to hottest temperature in universe. Since the flame created and sustained heat across creation.
Doesn't matter, it's a simple concept of just proving it and adding it to the page. The fact it ISN'T on the page, means we CANNOT use it in this matchup just because you say so doesn't mean anything. It's not even like I'm arguing against it, it just isn't on the page man lmaoThis is just anal, this amount of spoon feeding should not be a requirement. I already gave scaling. I can potentially take this to hottest temperature in universe. Since the flame created and sustained heat across creation.
Since this is Kevin in his strongest form (accoridng to OP) he would have 6 layers of HE including the concept hax from this blogFor the Hope stuff, made an addendum on my post since it's no longer the strongest key.
As for the rest, he has innate Type 1 concept hax with all his abilities and resistances, so killing him would just come down to concept hax layers, which we should get to talking about.
Alright, so Valhalla is his strongest key. Good to know.For the Hope stuff, made an addendum on my post since it's no longer the strongest key.
I am aware of his type 1, yeah layers are what it'll come down to. However there is still the fact that he doesn't have IM2 or the extradimensional range needed to escape the SoQ, if I'm not mistaken extradimensional range is not just smth we can wave aside (even if it comes from non significant stuff) correct me if I'm wrongAs for the rest, he has innate Type 1 concept hax with all his abilities and resistances, so killing him would just come down to concept hax layers, which we should get to talking about.
I would assume that the flames that brought all heat to multiple universes would be self-evident but very well, I'll add planck-temp or whatever when I have time. The resurrection he has still stands.
Space-time Manipulation is fine. He resists the Power of the Fates, which can move others to and from across Low 1-C timelines, so BFR isn't a problem.
It's Diabolical, but even then he would still inherit the 6 layers yeahSince this is Kevin in his strongest form (accoridng to OP) he would have 6 layers of HE including the concept hax from this blog
He resists getting BFR'd in the first place.I am aware of his type 1, yeah layers are what it'll come down to. However there is still the fact that he doesn't have IM2 or the extradimensional range needed to escape the SoQ, if I'm not mistaken extradimensional range is not just smth we can wave aside (even if it comes from non significant stuff) correct me if I'm wrong
I already posted the pages? This is a nothing burger. Nothing I stated isn't already on pages.Doesn't matter, it's a simple concept of just proving it and adding it to the page. The fact it ISN'T on the page, means we CANNOT use it in this matchup just because you say so doesn't mean anything. It's not even like I'm arguing against it, it just isn't on the page man lmao
Can you show me where on his profile he resists BFR? Or are you going to show me him coming back from BFR by using P&A's/Equipment?He resists getting BFR'd in the first place.
Plank already explained? I just reiterated the intent of post.Can you show me where on his profile he resists BFR? Or are you going to show me him coming back from BFR by using P&A's/Equipment?
I worded this poorly. I meant that the thread is no longer using the strongest key lol.Alright, so Valhalla is his strongest key. Good to know.
Extradimensional range is just a catch all term for ranges outside conventional space-time that's not easily covered by a set tier. It's not inherently beyond other ranges. Hell, it's listed before Low Complex Multiversal on the page.I am aware of his type 1, yeah layers are what it'll come down to. However there is still the fact that he doesn't have IM2 or the extradimensional range needed to escape the SoQ, if I'm not mistaken extradimensional range is not just smth we can wave aside (even if it comes from non significant stuff) correct me if I'm wrong
Why isn't it on his profile then? The entire point of a vs match is to compare what's listed on the pages, every other series has to follow this rule, yet you guys get to be the exception because there are 2 staffs as supporters?@AlipheeseXIV Umm, yes we can use it on the matchup, you saying otherwise just because there isn't a solid number isn't an argument when the whole point is it's stronger than the primordial fire that birth all heat in the cosmos. Unless you have an argument that shows the strongest heat source in the universe isn't close to whatever Kevin has, this would cancel out, plus Kratos' RE would just adapt against such heat as he's dealt with far worse things.
I believe it was mentioned in the downgrade thread for the verse that the extradimensional range for HI3/HSR in specific would function towards the L1C though, in tandem. If it doesn't cover more even in this particular case, then that's fine. At least it means BFR here won't be enough, what are Kratos's layers though?Extradimensional range is just a catch all term for ranges outside conventional space-time that's not easily covered by a set tier. It's not inherently beyond other ranges. Hell, it's listed before Low Complex Multiversal on the page.